ImperialFighter

Adywan, although I've always been more than happy with the 'movement', 'scale', and 'debris' that the Space Slug 'puppet' currently conveys as it emerges, there is a little something that always catches my eye during the shot -  http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/ep5/sslug3.jpg

When the Space Slug is fully emerged (as seen in the link), we see some kind of thin 'elastic'-like piece on it's left-hand side 'twanging' against it, near the 'cave' opening.  While I don't know if this is meant to be a 'fold of skin' or something, I reckon it would be better (and less distracting) if this was erased.

AuggieBenDoggie said:

Ady, please don't change the space sluggs teeth to resemble a more cave like structure.  I have never had a problem with the teeth in my whole life of watching Empire. I would rather you take the slugg out over changing the teeth. In fact, the slugg has no business existing in the vacuum of space. 

 

Just a thought, but you could always remove the lines about Han and Leia talking about it.

I wonder if Sluggo will have something to say about that....

The Mynocks shouldn't survive either then, I'd imagine.  C'mon Auggie, this is Star Wars, not National Geographic....monstrous lifeforms evolve differently in fantasy galaxies far, far, away perhaps.  ;)

You've given me a little idea to do with some of the lines though, for speculation's sake....  I'll get back to you on that shortly.

The 'Space Slug' has always been one of my favourite creature designs in the whole saga, and it's interesting that there seems to be roughly an equal split here between those who would like to see the 'teeth' altered quite a bit, and those who wouldn't.  I wonder which direction Adywan will choose eventually?

Here's a good shot of that actual 'puppet' model from the front this time -  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2120/2378370309_8ca035b6a3.jpg?v=0  (note that the 'tongue' of the 'puppet' itself is not really shown in the shots from 'inside' the creature, i.e.- during the very top 2 shots) 

Those have been some interestingly 'gnarly' teeth mock-ups recently, but personally I still prefer them basically as they currently are....although I always thought that the exact way they were shaped (with a gap between the bigger front two) in the original Ralph McQuarrie artwork looked even better: 

Close-up of teeth -  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/2/2f/MCQ-spaceslug.jpg

Whole shot of artwork -  http://www.zazzle.com/mcquarrie_art_space_slug_star_wars_poster_prin_print-228555353050355950

Here's another neat piece of artwork that I really like, that might have looked great if it had been realised as a brief, distant, drifting element in the background of one of the 'asteroids' shots -  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:SpaceSlug.JPG

Although that artwork above shows a 'shortish' Slug, I'm personally not stuck on any speculative exact 'lengths' for the Space Slugs in general, as I reckon they'd be able to 'extend' their body 'lengths' at will, like a worm does, and it could depend on whether they are full-grown adults or not.  But here's an interesting 'info.' page, just for completion's sake -  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Exogorth

(I'd still like to see the odd drifting asteroid or 2 in the distance of these 'mouth' shots, by the way)

Oh, and by the way vaderios, YES, your 'greyer' Falcon cockpit on the previous page looked a lot better than the current strange SE colouring in the sequence!  Nice.  :)

And speaking of asteroids 'overhead' -  after the dreadfully poor shots of the TIEs exploding in the big asteroid's 'canyon', we then see plenty of smaller asteroids as the Millennium Falcon first exits the 'canyon'.  But in the following shots through the Falcon's windows as Han looks for somewhere to hide....we see NONE.  And NEITHER do we see any other asteroids during the next shot where the Falcon flies upwards, then turns to swoop downwards into the asteroid 'opening'....  Can you insert some into these shots so that they tie-in with the previous shots, if possible?  (Plenty of asteroids are seen once again when the Falcon eventually escapes from the asteroid slug later on)

Also, just after the 'Vader with Bounty Hunters' scene, we cut to the 'Avenger' firing at a tiny Millennium Falcon amongst lots of asteroids.  We then cut to C3PO saying "Oh, thank goodness we're coming out of the asteroid field", as we see 3 or 4 asteroids come towards them through the cockpit windows.  We then cut to see the oncoming Falcon chased by the oncoming 'Avenger' behind it, but NO asteroids tumbling towards the front and sides of the 'Avenger' are seen now (apart from 'main field' seen in background)....  Again, can you insert some to tie-in better with the previous shot?  (We then cut to the Falcon heading away from us, and see another 3 last remaining asteroids come towards it)

Adywan, having looked at the 'asteroid slug' sequence now, I think that my recent speculation that the Millennium Falcon's front 'bright, white' lights (if supposedly on again at this point) would maybe shine on some tooth or other as it escaped....was probably wrong.  The 'beams' from them doesn't seem to be particularly strong in the scene where they initially come on, and anyway, the Falcon is going in-between the gap between the teeth, rather than directly towards any of the teeth!  So scratch that thought I'd say.

However, what I did notice now, was that during that shot of the Falcon where it's front 'bright, white' lights come on....the actual 'opening' behind it in the distance is WHITE, and doesn't seem to match the shape of the 'opening' it entered either.... 

Perhaps this could be made to either look like a hint of an 'open mouth with teeth' instead (if you consider it to be near the actual opening at this point in time that is, as it could be further down the 'cave' at the moment, before the Falcon enters it)....OR perhaps it could be made to look more like the shape of the 'opening' hole in the first place. 

Either way, it would be good to have the blackness of the 'starfield' showing, perhaps with a small 'asteroid' drifting past 'overhead'.

Finally, should we see some tumbling asteroids in the distance, beyond the 'teeth' of the slug also?

doubleofive said:

All this talk about rearranging all of the Executor bridge shots and creating a whole new building for the Vader/Luke duel to take place in reminds me of when this was basically going to be a color correction / restoration to the 1980 pacing.  Now it sounds like the 510 pictures showing the visual changes in ANHR are going to be nothing compared to all of the visual changes and tweaks Ady is announcing now.

I can't wait to see them all.

Absolutely. 

We can all forget about any 'restorationism' to close to what was previously released,  as these amazing edits are a whole new ball game incorporating Adywan's personal favourite elements of both the originals and the SE's, with some extra special amendments ontop.  These edits are 'Adywanisms', and they are incredible. 

Kurgan said:

Monroville said:

ImperialFighter said:

Monroville -  you're not related to someone called 'Kurgan' by any chance, are you?  ;)

Yeah, yeah I know... I kinda deserve it.

But I'm sure you both were just kidding around... not serious at all, right? ;)

Right! :)  Welcome back Kurgan.  I remember you had some good ideas previously (although personally I never did like that change to blue for the TIEs when 'Empire' was released). 

There's going to be a lot of great new stuff to get used to in Adywan's edit.  Took me a while to adjust to a couple of things in his 'ANH:R' edit too, but I'd never go back to the SE now.

Couple of interesting ideas there. 

I think a little 'darkening' of the FIRST shot we see of the asteroid slug's teeth in the distance (not shown above), where our heroes are in the foreground of the Falcon's cockpit....could work okay.  If I remember right, the overall colouration and effect in that shot in general on the SE, looked a bit poor anyway.  Having said that, I don't know what effect the Falcon's 'bright, white' lights (if they've been put on again) on the 2 front prongs would have.   Just a thought, but if they are 'supposedly' on again at this point,  would we see a hint of their 'shine' on any of the large teeth that they pass in the bottom shot?   

I certainly think that as we get nearer the teeth, the 'lighting' in the shot shown here at the top looks fine, as the asteroid slug was very close to the opening of the asteroid 'cave' by this point, when the Falcon escapes, and whatever 'outside light source' that was hitting the asteroid's surface, was also entering the 'open mouth' a little at this point.

As far as 'retractable' teeth appearing, that's interesting too.  However, if that is decided on, then I reckon it would be better not happening any later than during the shot at the top here.  It would be a more subtle effect in the lead-up to when we get closer to them, that way.

I'd really like to see the strange colouring of the Falcon's cockpit frame made a little 'greyer' during these shots though, if possible.

adywan said:

yeh, that shot was added just to show the new sequence. I haven't got around to redoing the background yet but it will be changed to show the far end of the bridge and also the shot where he is shot sideways but you see the control room wall will be changed to the background of the windows.

 

yes, i'm hoping to do something about the glows. they are too strong and also the flashes need to be fixed too because they show the matte surrounding off . i'll see what i can  do about the lights on the gantry.

Ah, thanks for the updates already Adywan.

I'm glad you have decided to go the extra mile to keep the 'open entranceway to Bridge' look behind that 'frontal' shot of Vader.  It will be good to see the windows added-in behind the 'side-on' shot too.  Nice. 

And very pleased that you may be 'yellowing up' some of those lights in certain shots.

Monroville -  you're not related to someone called 'Kurgan' by any chance, are you?  ;)

vaderios said:

Also i know Ady can do magic but is any way to eliminate the overpowered glow of luke's saber?

-Angel

Have to say that I always liked the look of the 'glows' during this shot in the duel.  Adywan has said he is going to improve the mattes better when the 'glows' occur, though. 

What I'd really like to see, if possible, is for the 'flashing' yellow 'gantry' lights to flash a bit brighter yellow in this shot, and some others , as seen from 'Luke hanging-on' onwards (they seem dulled in certain shots)....to better tie-in with the bright 'close-ups' of them.  This would be a very welcome touch I think.

Adywan, just wondering about this bottom shot of Vader, where I think we hear the words "Son, come with me".  As Vader is definately confirmed as being shown at the very front of the Bridge now, this existing shot's background seems at odds with that.

Will you be amending the 'blurry' background a little here? (while keeping it 'blurry')....or are you going to just show this doorway (perhaps closing a little!) as seen here, suggesting that it closes between the 'control room' section and the Bridge?  More than content either way.

Also -  after this bottom shot of Vader, we then see (at 1:53:42 Pal timing) a more side-on 'close-up' of Vader's mask, as we hear "Luke, it is your destiny".  It currently has a background of lights similar to the right-hand 'alcove' of the Bridge that Vader initially enters.  Will you be keeping the existing shot, and replacing the background with some ('blurry'?) left-hand side Bridge 'windows' instead?

adywan said:

Now onto the Carbon chamber issue. I was looking over your plans to have the chamber at the top of the shaft but this creates more problems than it solves. That is a hell of a long way for Luke to travel to find Vader and really doesn't make sense. Why would Vader run all that way away from Luke just to lure him to the vane? All that needs doing is redesigning the actual vane so it can contain the carbon chamber at the top and explain where the corridors that led them to the chamber disappeared to. Its quite plain to see now i have gone through the Luke jumping down from the chamber to the pipe that you can clearly see that behind him is the base of the carbon chamber as the architecture and piping is very similar. It is meant to be one complete sequence as you see Luke drop from the chamber (even though you can clearly see that he jumps from hanging onto a pole in the first few frames of the pipe sequence, but this was just to simulate his drop during filming). So this means that the carbon chamber is indeed meant to be built into the vane. Now it looks like i'll have to build some sort of model for the vane shot and do a lot of redesigning, but at the same time keeping the look of the original. 

Wow, yet another model, and 're-designed' with some modifications!  You are too good to us in your effort to improve things, Adywan.  Sounds wonderful.

I only expected a little amendment to the existing 'Vent Pod' exterior shots, to allow a little more consistency.  I guess it all depends where you consider the 'base' of the 'Carbon Chamber' to be -  either within the main structure of the City, somewhere near the start of the long 'extending support arm' tunnel....or actually inside the 'Vent Pod' itself.

Although I used to have no problem believing that Vader was perhaps slightly injured during his 'unexpected' fall backwards from the 'platform' (we're not sure how far) after Luke's strong attack, and so ventured along the long 'access tunnel' to regain his composure....while luring Luke to a more confined space for the rest of the duel....I am equally happy to know that it now seems that the 'Carbon Chamber' is to be within the 'Vent Pod' to begin with, and will now be shown to be more plausibly accessed-to by all the Stormtroopers, Ugnaughts etc. that went into it earlier.  Interesting stuff.  

In addition, your new shots have also helped to re-inforce the idea that the area indicated above in this 'behind the scenes' shot, is not the Bridge after all, but rather seems to be a separate area beyond the 'control room' section.  It certainly always looked like that to me, seeing as it seemed to show a somewhat different 'interior' going on in the movie....which is even somewhat evident in this shot, I reckon.

adywan said:

Well i have solved the issue i was having with the placement of the Executor bridge and the control room. It came to me the other night when i was looking at the final shot in the movie of Vader waking off the bridge and down some steps. Why not change the background to include the control room. this would explain how Vader got to the control room from the bridge in the probe droid report sequence. All i had to do was change the background for the final shot and add steps to the wide bridge matte shots. sorted.

"All I had to do...."  Heh, heh, you make it sound so easy Adywan!  Great stuff once again.  This entirely ties-in with what I always imagined as being the general layout, when we first see the Bridge in the movie, now.

Lovin' the 'flipped' shot too, by the way.  (Although it took me a while to get onboard with the 'flipped' shot of the 'Stardestroyer firing at the manouevring Falcon' in your 'ANH:R', I've grown very much accustomed to it your way now.  Guess I just had to 'unlearn what I had previously learnt'!)  I think that certain 'flipped' shots can add a little 'freshness' if they don't contradict anything along the way, and it will be interesting to see any more that appear in the future.

vaderios, I meant to say that this looked quite neat!  Although the 'width' seems to be very thin here, this nearest 'Vent Pod' does give an example of the side that I always thought the window should have been positioned on, compared to the interior shots....albeit that the long 'extending support arm' should be more in line with wherever the window is positioned, of course.

Darth Wagner said:

One more issue for ESB - fans which i like to mention was cosed by this "wrong floor" problem of accessing the Vent pod. Step by step please now, very dangerous issue. It's called "intercutting".

@Imperial fighter: I tried to find any reason for flipping any image in a Vent pod till Platform duel-part. The only one I saw was the completely wrong tunnel-direction Luke is stepping out from. I couldn't find ANY other reason to flip anything else really, because everything else looks exactly where it should be.

As I said before, there may theoretically be more tunnels Luke goes trough to come to the round window chamber and not only that long one in extended access arm, tunnels and elevators which bring Luke not only to higher floor but also to exit the tunnel from almost opposite direction to the extended access arm, because someone designed the room that way (no foult on anybody).

What brings me to another issue. I have a very good reason to suspect that it wasn't planned to look "wrong" way on the end, and it just came to my mind WHY because it was an issue on my my own recut of ...The Phantom Menace.

In one of Star Wars Documentaries about making ESB Kershner talks about how the first version of a movie was much more intercutted between different action places and "it just didnt work" so they had to recut it again in a completely different, much slower manor (that means remaining on the same place of action for longer time so people watching could have more time to feel and identify with characters wich keeps the tension high rather then jumping all the time from place to place and all you can see in a short cut is a group of people running trough a corridor like later in Ph. Menace).

The new result was much better for everybody then, and they left it this way, connected it trough sounds and music and we all loved it exactly this way because it was like magic. Of course I would like it to stay that way. 

Now... back to our tunnel - floor problem. I suppose that the Duel sequence "Carbon chamber - Tunnel - Round Window Chamber" , in final film presented as ONE was in the first edit intercutted in TWO and it looked like this: "Carbon Chamber - Entering tunnel (maybe even some walk trough it so we see how long it is) - INTERCUT Leia and Chewie running around to save Han - Luke exiting another tunnel after elevator or something - Round Window chamber duel". In that version there were no soundeffects suggesting that the  tunnel is ca 20 m long and is in the same room/place/hall as round window chamber etc. (if there were any at all at that stage).

In second and final, slower intercutted ESB edit two different duel places are in one scene and Luke's approch between them looks wrong despite they tried to cover it by showing the Vent pod from outside (suggesting direction of a long(!) tunnel) much later after Luke falls out a window plus long intercut with Leia & co.! And, admit it, folks, as you first time saw this movie, you didn't think go like "oh that's how  Vent pod looks like from outside, so the tunnel Luke exited 2 scenes before was made in wrong direction!! Bingo!!".

That first more intercuted edit of ESB may be the answer for all geografical problems with that scene, but it would be interesting to ask Lucas or Kerschner... if they remember .... :-)... to find out definitely, among some other things too.

Personally , I wouldn't like any intercutting tempochanging changes in Adywan's version, except it works absolutly great, which he can judge really well, so I trust he will do a good job with this, regardless which way he decides to go with it.

 

 

Hi again Darth Wagner -  I see you've reverted back to a possible 'multi-tunnel'/ or 'lift to another tunnel' proposal to make sense of where Luke exits into the 'interior' shots of the 'Vent Pod'....

Your speculation about how the makers might have originally filmed an earlier version showing a more elaborate enty to the 'Vent Pod' by Luke is interesting....but only another theory at the end of the day.

Even if they did, I can still only go by the existing footage that flows in the movie, which (only my own theory, and not necessarily correct either) gives me the impression that Luke has entered the long 'extending support arm' only, and then exits from it at it's end....directly into the area with the round window on his LEFT, which contradicts the 'exterior' shots.

At the end of the day, whatever Adywan decides to amend or not amend here, will be interesting to see....and I will personally be more than happy with it, considering I know that his edit is going to be my preferred version anyway.

Going back to my 'mirror' method (while 'pausing' the DVD) to quickly check out how the exterior 'Vent Pod' shots would look, if they alone were 'flipped' in the sequence - 

while that's an interesting idea of yours to 'flip' the shot of Luke exiting the 'acess tunnel' instead, so that the window seems to be on his RIGHT side now (like in the exterior shots)....this would cause far too many other problems, and a whole lot more 'interior' shots would also have to be 'flipped' too, to make any sense....

Time will tell. 

EDIT -  Monroville, I think you may have thought that I implied that I believed the 'Carbon Chamber' COULD be accomodated in the 'Vent Pod', going by your reply there.  What I really meant is that I reckon only the 'interior' shots of the rest of the eventual the Vader/Luke duel could possibly fit into it plausibly!

vaderios -  although this angle of the 'width' of the 'Vent Pod' seems to rule out the 'Carbon Chamber' being above it in any way, as some 'schematics' seem to speculate, I think that the 'interior' set shots could just about be accomodated, when looked at closely, especially when you look at the version you've posted on the right-hand side there.

Good stuff.  In Adywan we must trust.

doubleofive said:

*woosh*

That's the sound of this whole thing going over my head.

 Your lucky, lol, it's given me a headache thinking about it this much now! 

Ah, I see what you're getting at now, Darth Wagner.  I take it you mean that if the lower-down 'positioning' of the long 'extended support arm' currently attached to the large 'Vent Pod' structure in the movie was left as it is, that Luke could have reached the end of it (and thus reached the 'Vent Pod' itself), BUT THEN travelled 'upwards' in some way....possibly through a more vertical-angled 'tunnel', or shaft, OR lift, which then eventually connects to, or brings him to the FINAL 'access tunnel' - that he eventually pops out of beside the window.

(This means the 'brief jump ahead' that I mentioned, jumps ahead a lot further than I thought....)

AND I see now that this means that there could ALSO be a case made now, to account plausibly for how he is actually now beside the window shown in the 'Vent Pod' exteriors, which is the opposite of the one I thought it was after all....

I dunno, it seems a bit of a stretch for the flow of the action shown, but I understand that my alternatives mean a few tricky issues for Adywan to attend to.

By the way, in the absence of screenshot examples, check out the 'Vent Pod' exterior shots by looking at them in a 'mirror', to get an idea of the way I think they should ideally have looked from the beginning.

Just an aside -  I originally thought that the circular 'table-like' structure that is beside the 'access tunnel' that Luke exits out of, was missing some of the bits on top of it later on, after Vader has 'broken off' the large piece immediately above it, to throw at Luke. 

I realise now that those same pieces must have been 'ripped off' the top of it (along with other 'debris'), once the window smashed, and there was a sudden rush of 'air compression'!  :)

To finish off with a couple of other things with this sequence that I'd like to see done, if possible -

When Vader 'breaks' off the FIRST large section behind Luke to 'throw' at him....just at the point that Luke strikes it with his Lightsaber, you can make out (if you 'freeze-frame' it anyway - it's also visible in shot 4 of Monroville's 'thumbnail' shots in a recent post, and he has put a rectangle around it) that on the left of the shot, above Vader's helmet, that we see the 'gate' is no longer shut in front of the 'access tunnel' that Luke exited from.  In fact, at this point you can see a little bit of the 'gate' at the top.  Yet later on again, at the point where we are looking at Vader 'breaking off' his SECOND large section to aim at Luke, that the 'gate' looks like it is shut again now!  No biggie though.

What has always been a biggie to me though, is the fact that in the 2 shots preceeding Luke crashing through the window, that the actual window frame 'pattern' is a lot more complete than it is in the shot where Luke hits it.  I know there is a very brief shot in-between, showing the back of Luke as Vader clings onto the 'pillar' opposite the window, and that some of the 'debris' may have smashed more of it during this time....but it seems too short for this to have happened to satisfy me.

I'd love to see the frame 'pattern' added in to be the same as the 2 preceding shots, up until Luke actually makes contact with it, as he falls out!  I reckon this would tie-in far more plausibly because of the briefness of the intervening shot between them. 

Darth Wagner said:

In the movie it's not specified how many tunnels Luke uses to get from the carbon chamber to that round window chamber. Theoretically there  may be more different tunnels Luke uses - that would be an "exuse" for the wrong position of a round window chamber regarding extended arm access tunnel which Luke entered and exited in the movie.

Not quite sure I'm getting what you mean here Darth Wagner.  Surely there is only one  possible route of access to the suspended 'Vent Pod' as far as any kind of 'access tunnel' is concerned, and that is the single long 'extending support arm' isn't it?

Okay, using just this one shot for reference, seeing as it's handy -

The suspended 'Vent Pod' shown here is too narrow to incorporate the 'Carbon Chamber' for a start, and there are also 2 other shots that show the window that Luke fell through as being on the OTHER side of the structure, compared to what the 'interior' shots showed....which is wrong I believe.  The other 2 are when we first 'zoom-in' on the suspended 'Vent Pod', and the other is when we then see a 'closer' shot of Luke making his way back along the narrow 'walkway' towards the entrance, after falling through the round window.

So the simplest thing to do of course, is to 'flip' the shots of the 'Vent Pod's' exterior into reverse, so that the window now seems to be on the side that Luke actually fell out of, according to the 'interior' shots.  (Note:  this particular shot above only shows the extending short 'gantry' that Vader duels with Luke on.  The long 'extending support arm' should be seen added in, going off into the distance behind, somewhat level with where the round window is positioned, to match what is indicated in the 'interior' set

However, although Luke and Vader are small enough in the shots to 'get away' with 'flipping' them....it is still possible to see that Luke is wearing a gunbelt on his right-hand side, and this would be tricky to amend I'd imagine.  On top of this, Adywan would have the issue of Luke also holding his Lightsaber in his right hand to contend with, as he first makes his way back along the narrow 'walkway' after hanging onto to it.  He is seen to touch the side of the 'Vent Pod' a couple of times as he heads along to re-enter it.  Both of these things would also 'reverse' if the shots were 'flipped', and will be tricky to sort.  We'll see what he decides. 

adywan said:

Monroville said:

Also consider elongating this tunnel, since the central vent pod he is descending to is quite a bit further out from the central vent walls in the following outside shot (seen below).


CENTRAL VENT POD FINAL FIGHT:

There are some architectural issues going on here.  As you can see in #1, you can see the tunnel Luke came in from in the previous scene (you can see it connects at a diagonal -30°).  #2 has an arrow to show where this tunnel is/ where Luke came from.  #3 has an orange box around the window Luke will be thrown out of.  #4 you can again see the tunnel hatch from where Luke came from.

#5 is where the problem begins.  The orange hash-mark shows where the vent pod SHOULD be connected to the main shaft; yet the connection is much lower.

My suggestion is to move the connecting arm to the upper part of the pod to accomodate the tunnel Luke comes from, and move the platform Luke is holding onto and the gantryway that Luke loses his arm on to the lower area of the pod.  This gives Luke a greater distance to fall (@ a 40 foot drop as opposed to 5 feet right outside the window) as well as give Vader some levels to go down to get to Luke.  It would also give Luke the possibility of escape as well as negate any chance of hiim just climbing back into the window he was thrown out of.

#6 suggests moving the window Luke came out of higher to accomodate the gantry arm being moved to the lower area of the pod.

the whole problem with the vent and the position of the carbon chamber , i really don't know how i'm going to tackle this. in the cutaway illustrations they have placed the carbon chamber in the dome above the window, but this doesn't make sense as where the hell are the corridors that luke followed Liea and the gang through before being elevated upwards into the carbon chamber. it all doesn't make sense at all. the only idea i had is that before he enters the small tunnel, instead of seeing the last few frames of him climbing down a ladder, that i add him coming out of some sort of lift, but that still doesn't really sort out the problem. I'm probably going to have to redesign the whole vane matte shots to try and bring some believability to the whole sequence.

 

Okay, I'll admit that I'm officially confused about the sequence of current shots here in 'Empire', and am pretty hacked-off with the overall 'continuity control' here, if my suspicions are right!  However, I'll see what everyone else thinks on this, especially Adywan -

Firstly, compared to what we see in the actual movie, I have to say that I've never ever agreed with ANY of the 'schematic cutaway layouts' that make out that the 'Carbon Freeze Chamber' set is positioned somewhere above the round 'window' of the suspended 'Central Vent Pod' that Luke crashes through eventually....  I've never paid them any attention to them whatsoever, irrespective of what they claim! 

My own starting off position on this, has ALWAYS been that the 'Carbon Freeze Chamber' (and the entrance into it) is instead located 'somewhere' in the surrounding 'wrap-around' structure....and is 'somewhere' above the position of where the start of the long 'extending support arm' to the large 'Vent Pod', begins on that 'surrounding' structure.

Therefore I always see it that when Luke jumps down off the 'platform' (Adywan is removing his slight 'bounce back up' from the shot), after forcing Vader to fall off it several seconds earlier, that he has gone lower down to look for Vader and comes to the start of the long 'extending support arm' leading to the large 'Vent Pod', and starts to walk through the narrow 'access tunnel' inside this adjoining 'arm', that lights up as he enters to walk through it.  (As seen in top shot above)    Note:  does that 'schematic cutaway layout' of the 'Vent Pod' in a previous post actually show this 'access tunnel' inside the 'support arm'?  Could be....   

We then cut to him exiting out of the other end of what would have been a fairly long 'access tunnel', and into the actual large 'Vent Pod' itself at this point, where the 'gates' to the 'access tunnel' then shut behind him.  (As seen in bottom shot above)  And like certain other shots in 'Empire', I see this as one of those 'brief jump ahead' cuts which gets to the relevant action quicker, before we continue in 'real-time' again.  (Vader of course, had gotten there the same way, just a little beforehand, as he had several seconds start on Luke, before Luke followed down after him from the platform earlier)

However, it's at this point now, that the 'positioning' and 'continuity' start to go out the window (no pun intended) for me, where this whole suspended 'Vent Pod' structure is concerned....  If this has been brought up elsewhere, I haven't noticed, but here's the thing then -

If, as others have agreed, Luke is in fact entering into the 'Vent Pod' from the direction of the 'access tunnel' inside the long 'extending support arm', then that means ALL of the subsequent shots of the outside of the 'Vent Pod' structure are the wrong way round....because the round window that Luke falls through, is on his LEFT-hand side as he exits the 'access tunnel' into the 'Vent Pod'....NOT the RIGHT-hand side that we are currently shown instead!   Ontop of that, as Monroville said, the long 'extending supporting arm' itself should be HIGHER up, more level with the round window on the 'Vent Pod'!!

(Enlarge Monroville's 'thumbnail'shots as seen in the middle above, for a reminder of the interior layout as Luke enters into the 'Vent Pod', and imagine him as having come through the long 'extending support arm')

Now unless Adywan says different, if he decides that Luke does indeed come through this 'access tunnel', and that the 'Carbon Chamber' is indeed 'somewhere' on the other side of the long 'extending support arm'....then this causes a him a few headaches I'd imagine.  I know he's full of surprising ways out of things, but I'll just use the existing footage for an example of what problems this causes him, in my next post, even if he does choose the easiest route out....