ImperialFighter

adywan said:

vaderios said:

Any chance to see rebel lasers from the trenches(offscreen) to hit to the AT-AT way?

The rebels are retreating at this point so there would be no laser fire from the trenches

Just wondering if this one got lost in translation (vaderios is Greek just so everyone knows) a little....

I think he might have been referring to the 'side-onways' shot of the single falling AT-AT, rather than the unfinished shot showing the 3 AT-ATs firing at the retreating Rebels.  But he can correct me if I'm wrong.

Jedi Dark Knight said:

Ady probably has tweaked it by now. I know I'm gonna get turbolasers for this BUT.....in the last clip, all wonderfull AT-AT glory and all found myself diverted from the main event (luke going up) by all the action around him, I know I could sound bitchy but it just happens.....I dunno if anyone else has had this feeling..?

I reckon it's just the 'shock of the new' JDK....

I know there's more going on during this new shot compared to the original which we've known for many years, but I reckon this new look is IMMENSE in the scheme of things now!

Once I'd given it a few plays to study all of Adywan's new tweaks, I watched it a couple of times afterwards imagining they'd always been there, and my focus definately remained on the little figure of Luke rappelling upwards, just as it had in the original shot.

It just takes a little time to get used to it, if you've been used to the original.  This shot is gonna be amazing on a big screen eventually!

Jakatta said:

That it will not be published... I think... It just takes too long.. :(

Er....I don't remember focuspuller announcing that.... 

It'll be ready when it's ready, surely?

doubleofive said:

ImperialFighter has pointed out that the sun is behind the rebels in most of the other shots.

Nope, that one wasn't me.  I can't recall who first mentioned that unfortunately.

I don't know what Adywan can do about that, and it wasn't really one of my biggest issues with the battle footage anyway.  To be honest, I don't know how strictly true that is, judging by some of the shadows on show during some of the oncoming AT-AT shots!

Nice speculation about how this shot might end up looking though.  I love mock-ups.  :)

shanerjedi said:

Imperial Fighter

the main issue I have with that original falling walker shot is there's no life around it. There's no battlements or anything in that shot to blend in with the live action footage that preceded and followed.

 

I believe that during that particular falling AT-AT shot, that we wouldn't see the likes of the Rebel trenches in front of it, because of the way that it's framed.  It's a 'side-onwards' view of the AT-AT which is still out on the open snow plain (ahead of the trenches), which hasn't quite reached the trenches yet.  In a following shot of the 2 snowspeeders flying towards this same fallen AT-AT, they have travelled quite a bit before they get to it to fire upon it.  The trenches are still somewhere behind these snowpeeders.

My own main hope for the shot would be if there was a way to somewhat match the position of the legs on the  'side-onwards' falling AT-AT , to the 'close-up' of the 'tangled leg's that comes immediately beforehand.  The wrong 'knee' hits the ground first, and the rear legs are in a different position.  It's a brief shot, but it's the wrong 'knee' hitting the ground first that personally distracts me the most.  I previously suggested 'flipping' the beforehand shot into reverse to remove that problem, (although the background would probably need tweaked to match the shot of the speeder wrapping around the 'close-up' legs), if this was too problematic to amend.

I'd certainly like to see some of the tangling 'tow cable' in this shot though, as it can still be seen in an even further away shot of the same AT-AT beforehand (the birds-eye view of it).  Also, I'd have liked something like a laserblast coming out of the AT-AT at the very start of it's fall in this 'side-onwards' shot to give it a little 'something' extra here.  Perhaps some 'camera shake' as it hits the ground too.

Either that, or a passing snowspeeder coming from the left of the frame (or the hint of the underside of one passing in 'close-up' to us in the foreground top of the frame), or a laserblast or two coming from a Rebel trench Turret cannon / Round cannon from the left of the frame, or a combination of any of these. 

I'm sure Adywan will give us something....ANYTHING!  :)

InfoDroid said:

So, either the "newsreel" footage, which won't necessarily be newsreel footage, but a mix of historical and disturbing footage...OR we've got the twelve skeletons circling her causing her to explode...OR just a simple (yet slighly less-satisfying) edit of the original version that is somewhat alien-free.  Those are our best options so far. 

Still waiting for this miracle bomb Imperial Fighter keeps threatening to drop...Better be good.  LOL!  ;-)

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Indy4/indy4-27.jpg

"I want to know....I want to know....tell me....I'm ready....I want to know! "

Hmmm, looking back at my recent posts, and catching up with those of others since I last found time, it seems some expectations have built-up a little unrealistically recently, compared to what I ACTUALLY said I hoped to show here eventually, lol.

I don't recall promising a miraculous way to perfect the end this movie....but merely hoped to describe a few possibilities on how I'd 're-arrange' / 'snip' certain things in a way that would certainly improve it for myself personally, and that some others might like too.  After all, I also said that I was ONLY going to use un-enhanced, existing footage as the basis for these possibilities....to show an alternative re-working of what's already available.  I don't claim it will be the  DEFINATIVE alternative ending, but it will be ANOTHER alternative ending to consider.  I can say that I'm very pleased with how a couple of things especially seem to have worked out with the existing footage though.  Still, there's only so much that can be done using the original material to begin with.

These descriptions WILL retain a lot of the existing footage, including the 'alien' footage (I've got plenty to say about that however), but I'm 're-ordering' certain things to give a different 'pacing' and 'juxtposition' of shots throughout the overall climax of the movie.  (I'm going to show my own preferred alternative 'intro' for the movie at the same time too)

Unfortunately, it's proving to be a very time-consuming post to get these ideas up here, as the existing footage available has proved to be complicated to re-arrange in some places, and I have to describe some MORE shots yet to doubleofive who is organising them for me.  (He has sent me about 50 so far to do with all this, the majority of which require descriptive details of some sort worked around them!)  However, I'm trying to get it all done as soon as is possible for those interersted, and should hopefully be wrapped-up within the next few days.

In the meantime, it's been of great interest to see the other ending alternatives being considered at the moment. 

Oh, and that's some terrific work there, by the way HeKs.

Adywan, I hope you DO find a way to show  a further glimpse of the AT-ST, following the bottom shot shown here.  (is using an element from 'JEDI' a possibility I wonder?)

However, if you don't, and it has to go, then it would be great to get an improved 'mountainous' backdrop behind Luke to make up for it's loss.... 

I sure hope the AT-ST in the top shot will still be retained though....

I'm really curious about how this particular shot might be tweaked now...  I wonder if any of the ideas mentioned on page 242 about it, will be incorporated?  (vaderios 'Hoth backdrop' shot is on the bottom of that page too, for anyone that missed it) -   http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-V-REVISITED-EDITION-ADYWAN/post/342957/#post342957

Marvellous stuff Adywan!  I mentioned recently that I hoped we'd get to see an amended shot from the AT-AT battle soon, but I wasn't expecting a whole new 'grouped' composition like this....and especially wasn't expecting an actual preview clip!  Despite why it ended up being shown, I'll take it!!

Between the new background mountains and the more consistent spacing between the AT-ATs, this is a huge improvement overall to the ongoing battle at this point, compared to the look of the original 'Luke rappelling upwards' shot.  (and the colour correction is excellent as always too)

Roll on next Thursday's pic.

Deleted test post, will be back when I can.

Hi, just time for a very quick update:  doubleofive has been kind enough to organise nearly 50 screenshots for me for some of the things I wanted to do with the start and end of the movie I'm going to post here.

I have a lot of little re-arrangements to sort out comments for, but have made a good start.  I will put them up as soon as I get a longer run of free time to finish them off.

What I wanted to say at this point though, was that although this concept of 'additional newsreel footage' is an interesting one, and some seem to like that idea, I personally have a totally alternative view on the whole Spalko demise thing, that wouldn't need any additional footage, and will go into that at length when I get a chance to put up the relevant comments.

Someone may be able to use something out of them at some point.  

Husker said:

adywan said:

but the only Fine Molds models i can find are on Ebay and are about £200, a quarter of that is just shipping to the Uk, its just a case of saving up as much as i can and praying there is still one available when i get the cash.

 

 

eBay isn't always the best option IMO. I've purchased multiple models throughout the years from this Hobby Link Japan, excellent service all around, as well as prices (£129). I fully recomend them so it's something you should really consider when the time comes to buying that marvelous Fine Molds MF, Ady:

http://www.hlj.com/product/FNMSW-06

 

They actually have al of FM models in stock right now, in case you also need the Slave 1, X-wing, TIE's, etc.

http://www.hlj.com/hljlist2/?Maker1=FNM&MacroType=InjKit&GenreCode=Sci&Dis=2

 

yeh i had looked at that site and it comes to approx £200 with postage to the UK. I did find one that was going for a lot less that was in the Uk but i got outbid by £2 over my max bid right at the last second today, so i'm pretty gutted. I was so close to getting it too but i didn't have any extra cash to bid higher. i haven't seen any others in the Uk on the net that is any cheaper than getting one from abroad, but that's going to be a long way off because i need to save a lot more extra cash. i think what i'm going to have to do is just keep donations open until this edit is near completion, which is something i hoped that i wouldn't have to do again. And i though this was going to be the easy movie to do. lol

cutnshut, these edits are not intended for sale, but as you can see from Adywan's recent comments, any donations towards his ongoing cause will help to keep things moving forward on these masterpieces he's working on.  He has a very ambitious workload of potential shots planned, which is great for everyone interested in these, but it's going to cost him a bit to realise them properly.  Either PM him about it, or other details are in his signature.

I'm from the U.K. too, so PM me your contact details, and I'll organise a PAL DVD-9 for you.

Nice spot on those X-wing engine glows vaderios.  One of the things I love about these edits are the consistently improved engine glows on various vehicles, so thanks for sorting that Adywan.  I've a few more bits and pieces coming up when I find the time.

Cool beans FF.  Good luck with it.

jones1899, I've frustratingly been unable to get the time yet to cover some various possibilities that I recently worked out. (I'm currently painting/decorating a big house after work)  I'm trying to get the time to organise certain screenshots to better show what I mean along the way, as I have a lot to post here, concerning potential variations for both the beginning and the ending of the movie, where things can be tweaked very differently from the current version.

There are plenty of other moments I've reworked in ways that I'd have preferred in the first place too, but i'll concentrate on the 'beginning' and 'ending' stuff first, as that is what you are most interested in, at this point.

As far as the movie's climax is concerned though, the current theatrical one is just so unsatisfactory in so many ways to begin with....  However, just to let you know, my alternative sequence for Spalko's demise DOES involve using some of the actual 'alien representation' shots, along with a way to streamline some of the more excessive CGI moments into something far tighter, using existing shots, without the need for any digital alterations along the way.  (Except re-colouring perhaps)  That wedding scene can be reworked quite nicely too, into something that outstays it's welcome less....

But this will all take a little more time to put on here unfortunately.

vaderios said:

 

I was wondering where is ImpFighter to say his simple explanation about the hoth chase errors.

I'm just catching up here again, as life's busy at the moment.  I'm not sure what 'hoth chase errors' you are meaning, but I'm hoping to cover a couple of other little things yet over the next few weeks, once I've got the screenshots at hand.

I see that  with everything that is planned for this edit now, that it will not be finished until 2010 sometime.  Given the sheer amount of additional shot fixes/changes that are being attempted, and considering this is basically a one-man show, it's amazing that it could even be ready by then!  This is another herculean effort from what I've seen so far, and it'll be worth whatever the eventual wait.

The new background to this shot has turned out to be a fine addition indeed Adywan.

Glad you liked Sevb32's neat little idea there.  Would love to see one of your changed backgrounds involving the AT-AT battle sometime too, in the coming weeks!

vaderios said:

I double hope for that ;) Considering the continuous Sky/weather/Sun changing.

Fingers Crossed :)

 To be honest, the discrepancies during the current AT-AT battle backgrounds never bothered me too much (apart from that 'destroyed turret' shot which now looks great), and still wouldn't, since I know a lot of the actual AT-AT / Snowspeeder / turret action etc. is going to be ramped-up even more now.

But considering that the existing SE background in the 'Han's taun-taun running' shot was always fine to me, and wasn't something that HAD to be changed, then I'm cautiously beginning to believe, that Adywan doesn't intend to stop there, where a lot of the backdrops are concerned....  :)

adywan said:

Again, this isn't a finished shot because i am still working on this shot as you can see here:

Okay, seeing as no-one else mentioned it yet, I'd just like to say that I love the new background to this particular brief shot! :)

Considering how good the new background looks in the ION Cannon shot too, I just wonder what the final look of some of the shots of the AT-AT battle might also show....

adywan said:

My new ending of ROTJ will have a larger fleet attacking the Death Star, including a few more pilots but also it will tie up the question why there are so many celebrations around the galaxy so quickly after the Emperors death when there would be such a large Imperial presence left in the Galaxy. But you'll have to wait for this because i'm not giving up any hints of the ending until ROTJ:R is released. I want the battle to put the opening ROTS one to shame for scale. that alone is going to cost me a fortune to pull off because i need to build new models and a few full size cockpit sets as well as a few creatures and costumes 

OMG!  As if the anticipation for 'Empire:R' isn't enough as it is....

Unbelievably cool revelations there, but that's for another day / year.

Just caught your post HeKS before I gotta go. 

Unfortunately that's not ideal, as it's a slightly incomplete jumbled scrawl over several pages at the moment, that's pretty detailed, that I have to refine into something more straightforward for everyone to make sense of.  I was rushing to get through as much as I could, so my writings are all over the place at the moment.

Thanks for the thought though.

jones1899, I've woken up early this morning, and have a little time to come on here just now with a quick update for you.

I see from your most recent posts that you still have some problems with certain parts of the movie.  Well I just wanted to say that I've now finally had time to really study a little bit more of it in detail now, and think I've worked out how certain sequences could be tweaked a little for an improved impact.

However, it will take me quite a bit of time to re-write my notes on here in detail, and I don't think I'll get a chance to do it until 2 or 3 days from now, as I have a lot on at the moment, and I know I just won't get the time.  Unfortunately you appear to be very close to 'locking down' your edit now, and you may have completed things before I managed to get back to this.  Nevertheless, I will still post them on here as soon as I can in a couple of days.

As I mentioned recently, I have a few suggestions that could tighten up the beginning into something with more gravitas I believe, and can now also see a very nice possible alternative sequence of shots for the climax too, where some of the CGI excesses are concerned, without throwing the whole baby out with the bathwater.  

And although there is a wholly different ending possible, I also see a way to prune the existing 'wedding' footage down quite a bit to remove certain unnecessary shots, and move things along better to the conclusion I believe....

I've also got my own personal favourite shot sequence for the infamous 'fridge bounce' thing worked out now, as well as a couple of other things, and will put my 2 cents on all that up too.

I happen to have a few other things I'd really like to add to Adywan's 'Empire:Revisited' thread, if I can find enough time, but seeing some sort of hopefully enhanced version of this particular movie also appeals to me.

WOW Adywan, sure glad I stayed up to wait for that!

It blew me away....  So fearsome yet familiar to the original.

I'm sure everyone will love it!  Can't wait to see it in action in the cave scene....

Okay, I'm officially nervous now, as we're only about 5 mins. away from a certain day here in U.K. time....

And with Adywan still officially hungover, who knows what he's capable of....

I just hope that Wampa reveal isn't caught up in it all...   ;) -  http://www.anonymousphilanthropist.com/jots/yetiurbanyetti.jpg

Fantastic news FanFiltration!  :)

jones1899, I'm one of those here that is REALLY looking forward to seeing a better version of this unfortunately flawed entry in the Indy franchise, and by the sound of things your version is coming along nicely in that department.  I like the sound of a lot of your choices you're using out of the various ideas mooted here, and the 're-colouring' itself will be a very welcome thing to see, compared to the garish release....

Anyway, just a quick post to say that I'd hoped to add something of interest to this thread a good while ago, if I got a chance to study the DVD, but a busy family life got in the way.  But at last, I finally made time to make a start on scrutinising it , and am really pleased to say that I can see a few things that could be slightly snipped and re-arranged in certain ways, that could definately improve the whole 'tone' of the current opening scenes of the movie, up to the point where Indy enters the US warehouse.  (It took quite a bit of time to keep replaying certain shots back and forth, and to take notes, so that is as far as I got in the movie last night, lol!)  

No-one has covered these possibilities here yet, and although I'm too pushed for time right now, I'm looking forward to setting out these slightly alternative possibilities in detail over the next few days.  The footage is there, it's just I can see how a far more 'serious' introduction can be set.  I'll be interested to see what others here think. 

I'm going to need to study that whole 'alien / ufo' ending hard tonight, before I give my 2 cents on that.

You're doing great with this already though.