ImperialFighter

adywan said:

vaderios said:

Ady, Where this building/Wall is in the next shots?

 

-Angel

oops. thats one of the old shots. I've updated the screenshots on page 1with the correct image

Been busy for a few days Adywan, but I've just seen your updated first page, and wanted to say a big thanks for amending the 'duel on the gantry' shot to show the 'rocket-shaped' section / 'circular' piece at the end of the gantry matching the full-size prop positioning now!  Very nice work indeed.  :)

And putting aside how splendid your Bespin City backdrops have turned out, I also wanted to say that your new Millennium Falcon 'panel detailing' in general, and 'cockpit windows' in particular (seen in the top shot above), are terrific, compared to the SE comparison shot on page 1.  I'm looking forward to seeing your skies / lighting on the later platform shot where Lando and co. run towards the Falcon, which has pools of 'underlighting' shining down beneath it. 

Going back to the Falcon's 'cockpit windows'....I hope that the equally suspect original cockpit area shown in the other Falcon shot on page 1 (seen in the bottom shot above), will be amended to match your new one too, though.   

adywan said:

adywan said:

I don't think the two entrances need to be made to look the same. Don't forget there is a north and south entrance to the base. although the mattes need enhancing they don't need to be exactly the same

i have things planned for the sequence where the shield generator is destroyed but i'm keeping this one secret until the edit is released.

as for vaders chamber, i do like the corridor idea abut not an airlock or lift. he wouldn't need a sterile environment so his wounds wouldn't get infected because they would have healed after all this time. i've always thought that the actual  meditation unit had some sort of inbuilt force field protecting Vader when he has his mask off and that his breathing apparatus was linked into its systems which would allow him to have his mask off for short periods of time. i won't be doing any changes to that apart from the entrance.

 

I've just noticed that this original post has disappeared. very strange. hmm

Thanks for mentioning this 'missing' post.  I wondered why I couldn't see it!

I'm really looking forward to your eventual outcome for the Shield Generator's destruction....

Your preview of that incomplete Bespin platform shot looked a terrific improvement over the original version.  Going by what's been shown so far, these Bespin sequences are going to be wonderful.

DarthBo said:

ImperialFighter said:

All the other shots are looking magnificent too, and I am SO glad you decided to add my hint of Hoth's 'circumference' atmosphere into the LEFT window, AND that subtle bit of RED lighting to the panel too!  It makes all the difference, and the shot is looking terrific.

Will you also consider making the 'edging' of the LEFT and MIDDLE windows the same thinkness all the way up, where we see it in front of the officer on the left, and behind Captain Lennox's back though?

There's just no pleasing you is there? :P

Deathcrow, there's still a little something I'd like to see tweaked a little....  ;)

DarthBo, I'm way beyond being pleased about this thing already, but Adywan seems to have such an astonishing workrate on the different parts he's going through, that it is quite possible that even his amazing talent is prone to not catching 100% of everything.  I've already mentioned the words 'Genius' and 'Adywan' in the same sentance before, and I firmly believe that, where most of his work has been concerned on these edits so far.

Someone else agreed that this 'edging' thing seems slightly amiss, and I may be wrong about it, but it still caught my eye as being not quite right.  It's the only thing now, as everything else seems so perfect in this amazing new shot now.  No slight to him intended whatsover.  If Adywan agrees, he'll be happy to look at it again, as he has proven in the past.  If I'm wrong about it, then I'm wrong about it, and happily accept that.  I've certainly been wrong about some things in the past, that I also thought worth bringing up at the time. 

Just wanted to add my 2 cents on this one, before Adywan makes his own final choice.

To be honest, most of the previous comments on this could work out fine, I reckon.  There have been good points about how a 'lift' or 'longer, different corridor' in the background could give a different sense of 'isolation' for the 'meditation chamber' room being an unknown distance away from the Bridge.

If Adywan chooses either of these routes, then okay, but I think the existing shot also works fine as it is....if this 'meditation chamber' room is looked on as being supposed to be close to the Bridge, for the purposes of being easily and quickly-accessed by his High-Ranking officers, to discuss any potential activities going on, in person. 

I agree with what a lot of Bingowings suggested about Vader's attitude of possibly being seen 'helmet-less' by these underlings, and have no problem believing that at this elderly, corrupted stage in his life, he is not in the slightest bit bothered by whoever sees his actual visage now, and that it does indeed increase the aura of fear around those that do....  (so either all the existing figures can still be left in the existing shot, OR just the 'guard' could be left (and Piett), for a slightly more 'private area' feel)

BarBar Jinkx said:

OK whats the diff between the Luke vader fight? they look exactly the same to me.

 It must be your monitor or it's settings.  On both shots of the 'duel', Vader's sabre is noticeably more RED, and the background colours of the 'gantry' shot now 'pop out' vibrantly on mine.

sgdelta1771, you'll be glad to know that Adywan has indeed mentioned in the past, that he is going to improve on the Millennium Falcon's Bespin landing in those 'flattened' shots of it.

Sevb32, the squid on the Stormtrooper is going to be sorted also.

By the way, as well as the list of amendments on page one of this thread, Monroville has quite a comprehensive list on the thread that is linked in his signature (which GoodMusician started), and is being updated by him.

adywan said:

Bingowings said:

This is a lovely motorised model, it might have saved so much time doing certain shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34tgu7ULkeM&feature=related

If i could get hold of that there is so much i could do with it for this edit.

We need this guy to lend this wonderful item to Adywan....NOW!  Nice link Bingowings.  :)

Looking through just some of the comments under the clip, someone said this AdrianoAT-AT guy is from Brazil.  We could do with a translator to some of these comments, pronto, lol.   Having said that, Adriano makes a comment in English a few pages in....

Adywan, the latest screenshots are a great addition to your first page.  The 'Rebel Trench' shot has turned out wonderful!  It now gives an extra sense of additional scale, with the additional Rebels in the distance.  Well worth the effort you put into this recently.

All the other shots are looking magnificent too, and I am SO glad you decided to add my hint of Hoth's 'circumference' atmosphere into the LEFT window, AND that subtle bit of RED lighting to the panel too!  It makes all the difference, and the shot is looking terrific.

Will you also consider making the 'edging' of the LEFT and MIDDLE windows the same thinkness all the way up, where we see it in front of the officer on the left, and behind Captain Lennox's back though?

Thanks for these latest previews.

double post.

ladyferry said:

What google link?

It's on doubleofive's first post on page 261.  His current compilation of member's forum names (that appeared on this thread) are shown, and being updated until Adywan calls a halt. 

mumbles_ said:

i could always try and find more stuff to suggest but i don't want to step on adywan's toes.

 mumbles, if you see it, say it.  Adywan considers everything put to him, and may want to use it.

Thanks for the links LadyFerry!  :)

adywan said:

the red lights aren't visible on the section that is showing in new clip as they are just out of shot. if i move the windows upward so you can see the lights then it throws the scale out. Plus the red lights only blink in that one shot when the stardestroyer is on alert. if you look at the other shots of the stardestroyer bridge (including the executor because its the same set) the lights never blink.

Adywan, I know the 'vertical' RED-lit areas are 'out of shot' in your new Bridge shot, but what I was meaning was perhaps it might be good to have just one or two of the tiny 'circular' WHITE lights that are now seen in your shot, be RED instead, just as a subtle detail.  

I think the ones in the 'Avenger' interior shot just 'switch-on' rather than 'blink', come to think of it, and any REDDENED ones in your new shot could just be made to be 'static', like the rest of the WHITE ones are. 

It's just that I thought I could make out the odd RED light amongst the WHITE ones, on that narrow 'upper ledge' in some of the other Bridge shots, that's all.  

adywan said:

at the moment i'm working on removing the background in the shot where we see the troopers in the trench get ready for action but the background has the turret already destroyed before the Imperials even fire a shot. so far its taken me 4 days to mask out about half of the troopers

I'm so glad you're putting the effort into sorting this particular shot, even though it's time-consuming.  It's one that I'm really going to appreciate seeing improved.  :) 

RED lights 'blink-on', on the 'Avenger's' upper Bridge panel during this shot....

Monroville, thanks for your instructions on how to link muliple quotes / photos!  I hope to play around with that sometime.  :)

ladyferry, I know you've a soft-spot for that 'cave' Wampa face, but I'd really prefer a bad-ass Wampa in there!  ;)

By the way, can you add a link for Adywan's latest preview, to your collection?  Thanks.

Adywan, just a thought, but would it be possible to add a hint of RED lighting to your excellent new shot of the 'Tyrant's' Bridge?  Perhaps into just a couple of the lights on show, even?  It might just give an additional little 'something extra' to the shot, and would reference the touch of red that was in the original one too.

I've posted a shot of the 'Avenger's' Bridge in the following post as an example of a 'standard' Stardestroyer Bridge shot.  During the shot of the 'Avenger's' evasive action, some RED light's  actually 'blink-on', on this upper section  (Note:  the very front of the 'Avenger's' Bridge can fully be seen in the shot where the Millennium Falcon 'swoops closely upwards' past it's windows, but I can't remember where I previously posted it) -

adywan said:

I noticed something interesting when i was watching SP FX: The making of the Empire Strikes Back today. They have a brief shot of the puppet and its slightly different than the one used in the movie. The film version has more hair added to its cheeks and this covers up the horns. so it was nice to see the puppet with its original horns.

Wow!  It's been years since I saw that, and had forgotten this was in it.  I really like the look of this one too,  and those are indeed wonderfully 'gnarly' horns!  (and 'lop-sided' ears)

Nice one on the names front doubleofive, as there have been quite a few extra members since the first one!  

I wonder if the slightly 'lop-sided' ears of the 'puppet' version will be part of Ady's version or not?

I always liked them, myself.  :)

By the way, I'm still hoping someone will be able to PM me with a step-by-step of how I can link comments/shots from 'more-than-one' previous posts into a single post.  Thanks. 

 

 

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Here's how things currrently stand at the moment between the looks.  The bottom shot shows an early (abandoned) version that tied things together a little better.

Although I'd have ideally wished 'Indy 4' had been simply called 'Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Skulls' (or even the still slightly-alternative 'Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Skull'), I had a think about what I'd have liked if it had more closely reflected the feel of the 'Indiana Jones'-less 'Raiders of the lost Ark' title instead - 

If this had been the case, I think I would have wanted it to be another 5 word title, to sound similar to the 'Raiders' one.  So TMBTM's 'Kingdom of the Crystal Skull' fits the bill better, compared to the look and sound of say, either 'Kingdom of the Skull' or 'The Kingdom of the Skulls'.  (Even though it still reveals the 'crystal' aspect)

Knightmessenger said:

I've been watching some of your updates on youtube and I'm pretty impressed as usual. And I got to see the entire Star Wars Revisited on youtube. It was interesting seeing my name in the credits, even though I don't remember giving any suggestions for that edit.

I seem to remember reading somewhere, that Adywan added the names of whoever had commented in the ANH:R thread, by the time of it's release, regardless of whether you actually suggested any ideas or not.

I myself only found out that Adywan had done this amazing work to my all-time favourite movie, JUST AFTER it was finalised....and so missed out on proposing a suggestion or two.

If you've only watched it on YouTube (in the wrong 'ratio aspect' I seem to remember someone saying), wait till you actually see it in all it's DVD glory, with it's terrific accompanying sound!  PM me if you have trouble sourcing it yourself.    

Adywan, I'm just grateful that you didn't choose the original 'cave lunge' suit design route, in the end....  ;)

(I'm surprised how different that previous shot of the 'SE' head seems to look in the additional footage, too)

The downwards-pointing, 'gnarly' horns are the only thing I really liked about that 'SE' version personally, but would like to see them added to something resembling the original 'puppet' design.

Can't wait to see whatever you come up with eventually, and will look forward to that sketch!

Thanks for the update.  This is bound to be a very popular project. 

SpaceOddity said:

I don't know if this is such a good idea... Shouldn't we keep fanediting on the "down low" as much as possible? I know Lucasfilm probably knows full well about fan edits, but I just wonder if too much exposure would make the movie companies take a second look at all of the legal issues, etc.

Perhaps I'm being too paranoid, though.

You can never be TOO paranoid....  ;)

Perhaps it can wait until Adywan's FINISHED the whole saga?

Welcome aboard Prog5000, there's a while to go yet, as there's still lots for Adywan to complete.  Hopefully, it might be before the end of 2009 though.

BEST....PREVIEW....CLIP....EVER!!  :)

I wasn't expecting all that when I clicked onto your link Adywan.  I thought it was just going to be a brief excerpt of your ION Cannon 'firing', which alone would have been great! (with the Turret Gun present and corrected I see)

Instead, we got a full 41 seconds of 'answers', wrapped-up in pure effects magic!  Many thanks for that.

F-I-N-A-L-L-Y, this sequence shows the kind of impact that was always possible here.  I love it!  And along the way, a lot of bothersome questions have been put to rest now -

It seems in the end, you've succeeded in RETAINING the overall original 'look' and 'feel' of the first 2 'Tyrant' shots, to a large degree, while making some ingenious enhancements to them.  Making the Hoth Planet bigger in the frame, so that the Stardestroyers are CLOSER to it by this point, is a huge improvement that really shows the 'Tyrant' is pointing more DIRECTLY at the Planet now, to tie-in with where the escaping 'Transport' / X-Wings approach it from (and the Hoth Planet itself looks excellent).  And Monroville will be very pleased (as I am, since I didn't really expect it) that you DID go the extra mile, and totally changed the SIDE-view 'interior' into the FRONT of a 'Bridge' for the 'Tyrant', as he'd suggested!  

I also see that since the earlier 'Fleet approaching Hoth' shot, that you eventually chose to have the ships be deployed into a more 'surrounding', spread-apart manner, after all....  After previously being disappointed with these 2 particular 'Tyrant' shots over the years, I am now VERY satisfied with your chosen outcome, and of course, the shots of the ION Cannon firing, onwards, have turned out wonderfully too.  (What an improvement with the new 'electrical' laserbolt in the end....and the 'Tyrant' firing back adds a lot to the scenes too!)

I note that the 'Executor' isn't shown 'hanging back a little' somewhere during all this though, but I realise it doesn't necessarily need to be in the area of any of these shots, as things stand....although I guess it could be accomodated in part or in whole, into one or more of the 'Transport approaching the 'Tyrant' / getting past the 'Tyrant' shots....

Which brings me to the final shot of the 'Transport' and remaining X-Wing speeding up into 'Hyperspace'....  I'm sure doubleofive will be as delighted as me, at how well this particular idea of his has been executed....  It looks fabulous!

You've surpassed yourself on all this Adywan. Well done!

There is a couple of very little things that I'd like to bring up though, and I'm pleased that doubleofive put up his recent 'comparisons', so I can show what I mean -

In the middle 'comparison' shot shown above, where we see Captain Lennox looking out at the (now approaching!) Hoth Planet....it seems that a hint of the 'curvature' of the Hoth Planet should be seen in the TOP-RIGHT of the LEFT window too, at this point.  The way it currently looks has a sort of 'optical illusion' that seems not quite right, because the 'curvature' looks to be too 'lined-up' at EXACTLY where the TOP-RIGHT corner-edge of the LEFT window-frame is.  Would you consider having the Hoth Planet element start it's subtle 'movement' from a little further along to the LEFT to begin with, so that we see a definate hint of the 'atmosphere' in that TOP-RIGHT bit of the LEFT window, before it is then obscured by the window frame?  This would also really help to reflect the look of the original shot (which was wrong in other ways) a bit more too, which showed the 'atmosphere' over 2 of the windows.  I think this would really be a nice touch.  Failing that, would you consider moving the Hoth Planet element over to the RIGHT a little instead, to begin with, which would again remove this 'optical illusion'?  Either way would work.

Finally, in these 'comparison' shots above, it seems that the window 'edging' seen on the RIGHT-hand side of 2 of the windows is NOT 'parallel' all the way up....  (One is just behind Captain Lennox's back, and the other is just in front of his approaching officer's face)  Shouldn't these be the same thickness all the way along? 

Whatever you decide, this whole sequence is a triumph, compared to before!  :)    

Laserschwert, nice work on that mocked-up 'City of Gods' title variation!  I wasn't expecting that, lol.

Seeing the 'Indiana Jones' logo superimposed over that screenshot makes me realise how much I wish it had been used in the actual movie itself....

Just for the record, out of the various shorter title possibilities, my personal favourite by far is -

'Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Skulls'

(Just because I remember always thinking that anything to do with 'skulls' was cool, when I was a boy!)

Unfortunately, I also remember thinking that it was a mistake to preface it with 'Crystal' in the title in the first place, as this gave away just a little too much information at the time....  I'd have preferred that this particular detail had been kept as an intriguing reveal during the movie, because most people would have naturally thought that the shorter title above was alluding to 'Human' skulls....

jones1899, we're rooting for you!  And I commend the fact that you're going for gold, where a 'seamless' edit is concerned.