ImperialFighter

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adywan said:

yeh its the outdoor matte that is throwing everything out.  I've checked all the interior layout and have been able to map where the door that chewie and lando is in each shot. as you can see there is no way such a vast corridor , in fact no corridor at all, could be outside the second door that lando & chewie enters based on the exterior views. another nightmare. lol

1st post

Well this was a real coincidence....  Although I'm still very busy in general unfortunately (which is annoying for me, as I want to go into quite a few more potential fixes to 'Empire', that haven't been mentioned yet), I got a chance to come on here today with the intention of suggesting a couple of possible little improvements to smooth the 'continuity' horrors with this particular scene in the movie.....  And it turned out that a few of you were already deep in scrutiny of it, lol!

(That's lucky for me, as I hadn't yet had the time to ask doubleofive for the screenshots he normally helps me with, but can just about use what's been shown already, instead) 

As this one is as potentially tricky as the 'Duel in the Vane' layout (which I still reckon Luke followed Vader along inside the long 'extending arm' from the Carbon Chamber inside the 'surrounding wall', and that the 'broken window' should have been on the OTHER side of the exterior Vane shots....  ;) ), I think it will be helpful to have all the relevant shots in close proximity on the SAME page for reference, so forgive the fact that I'm going to have to make 4 seperate posts here, one after the other, since I haven't mastered the 'multiple posts into one' thing yet!  (My own 2 cents will be in the 4th post, by the way) 

I've a spare one I can send you Adywan.  PM me your details if you want it. 

Dangerous Incorporated said:

Thanx for that but the scene Im talking about is a shot inside the command centre and focusses on the white C-3PO using a penlight on a glass map. Then, the movie continues as normal and Han is shown entering the command centre. This scene was not present on the video release.

Interesting.  I wasn't aware of this. 

Dangerous Incorporated said:

On the Canadian theatrical version SE there was a shot in the Hoth command center of a white C3-PO which was later removed. Ive never seen this. Is it available online or anywhere for that matter and if it is, is it worth considering adding it?

Just to clarify DI, the white droid is there behind the female Rebel operator, in a couple of shots before the ION Cannon fires, and is featured in the GOUT as well as the SE versions.

It's even whiter now thanks to Adywan -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN8YIR60Ij0&feature=channel

adywan said:

vaderios said:

Ady, Where this building/Wall is in the next shots?

 

-Angel

oops. thats one of the old shots. I've updated the screenshots on page 1with the correct image

Been busy for a few days Adywan, but I've just seen your updated first page, and wanted to say a big thanks for amending the 'duel on the gantry' shot to show the 'rocket-shaped' section / 'circular' piece at the end of the gantry matching the full-size prop positioning now!  Very nice work indeed.  :)

And putting aside how splendid your Bespin City backdrops have turned out, I also wanted to say that your new Millennium Falcon 'panel detailing' in general, and 'cockpit windows' in particular (seen in the top shot above), are terrific, compared to the SE comparison shot on page 1.  I'm looking forward to seeing your skies / lighting on the later platform shot where Lando and co. run towards the Falcon, which has pools of 'underlighting' shining down beneath it. 

Going back to the Falcon's 'cockpit windows'....I hope that the equally suspect original cockpit area shown in the other Falcon shot on page 1 (seen in the bottom shot above), will be amended to match your new one too, though.   

adywan said:

adywan said:

I don't think the two entrances need to be made to look the same. Don't forget there is a north and south entrance to the base. although the mattes need enhancing they don't need to be exactly the same

i have things planned for the sequence where the shield generator is destroyed but i'm keeping this one secret until the edit is released.

as for vaders chamber, i do like the corridor idea abut not an airlock or lift. he wouldn't need a sterile environment so his wounds wouldn't get infected because they would have healed after all this time. i've always thought that the actual  meditation unit had some sort of inbuilt force field protecting Vader when he has his mask off and that his breathing apparatus was linked into its systems which would allow him to have his mask off for short periods of time. i won't be doing any changes to that apart from the entrance.

 

I've just noticed that this original post has disappeared. very strange. hmm

Thanks for mentioning this 'missing' post.  I wondered why I couldn't see it!

I'm really looking forward to your eventual outcome for the Shield Generator's destruction....

Your preview of that incomplete Bespin platform shot looked a terrific improvement over the original version.  Going by what's been shown so far, these Bespin sequences are going to be wonderful.

DarthBo said:

ImperialFighter said:

All the other shots are looking magnificent too, and I am SO glad you decided to add my hint of Hoth's 'circumference' atmosphere into the LEFT window, AND that subtle bit of RED lighting to the panel too!  It makes all the difference, and the shot is looking terrific.

Will you also consider making the 'edging' of the LEFT and MIDDLE windows the same thinkness all the way up, where we see it in front of the officer on the left, and behind Captain Lennox's back though?

There's just no pleasing you is there? :P

Deathcrow, there's still a little something I'd like to see tweaked a little....  ;)

DarthBo, I'm way beyond being pleased about this thing already, but Adywan seems to have such an astonishing workrate on the different parts he's going through, that it is quite possible that even his amazing talent is prone to not catching 100% of everything.  I've already mentioned the words 'Genius' and 'Adywan' in the same sentance before, and I firmly believe that, where most of his work has been concerned on these edits so far.

Someone else agreed that this 'edging' thing seems slightly amiss, and I may be wrong about it, but it still caught my eye as being not quite right.  It's the only thing now, as everything else seems so perfect in this amazing new shot now.  No slight to him intended whatsover.  If Adywan agrees, he'll be happy to look at it again, as he has proven in the past.  If I'm wrong about it, then I'm wrong about it, and happily accept that.  I've certainly been wrong about some things in the past, that I also thought worth bringing up at the time. 

Just wanted to add my 2 cents on this one, before Adywan makes his own final choice.

To be honest, most of the previous comments on this could work out fine, I reckon.  There have been good points about how a 'lift' or 'longer, different corridor' in the background could give a different sense of 'isolation' for the 'meditation chamber' room being an unknown distance away from the Bridge.

If Adywan chooses either of these routes, then okay, but I think the existing shot also works fine as it is....if this 'meditation chamber' room is looked on as being supposed to be close to the Bridge, for the purposes of being easily and quickly-accessed by his High-Ranking officers, to discuss any potential activities going on, in person. 

I agree with what a lot of Bingowings suggested about Vader's attitude of possibly being seen 'helmet-less' by these underlings, and have no problem believing that at this elderly, corrupted stage in his life, he is not in the slightest bit bothered by whoever sees his actual visage now, and that it does indeed increase the aura of fear around those that do....  (so either all the existing figures can still be left in the existing shot, OR just the 'guard' could be left (and Piett), for a slightly more 'private area' feel)

BarBar Jinkx said:

OK whats the diff between the Luke vader fight? they look exactly the same to me.

 It must be your monitor or it's settings.  On both shots of the 'duel', Vader's sabre is noticeably more RED, and the background colours of the 'gantry' shot now 'pop out' vibrantly on mine.

sgdelta1771, you'll be glad to know that Adywan has indeed mentioned in the past, that he is going to improve on the Millennium Falcon's Bespin landing in those 'flattened' shots of it.

Sevb32, the squid on the Stormtrooper is going to be sorted also.

By the way, as well as the list of amendments on page one of this thread, Monroville has quite a comprehensive list on the thread that is linked in his signature (which GoodMusician started), and is being updated by him.

adywan said:

Bingowings said:

This is a lovely motorised model, it might have saved so much time doing certain shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34tgu7ULkeM&feature=related

If i could get hold of that there is so much i could do with it for this edit.

We need this guy to lend this wonderful item to Adywan....NOW!  Nice link Bingowings.  :)

Looking through just some of the comments under the clip, someone said this AdrianoAT-AT guy is from Brazil.  We could do with a translator to some of these comments, pronto, lol.   Having said that, Adriano makes a comment in English a few pages in....

Adywan, the latest screenshots are a great addition to your first page.  The 'Rebel Trench' shot has turned out wonderful!  It now gives an extra sense of additional scale, with the additional Rebels in the distance.  Well worth the effort you put into this recently.

All the other shots are looking magnificent too, and I am SO glad you decided to add my hint of Hoth's 'circumference' atmosphere into the LEFT window, AND that subtle bit of RED lighting to the panel too!  It makes all the difference, and the shot is looking terrific.

Will you also consider making the 'edging' of the LEFT and MIDDLE windows the same thinkness all the way up, where we see it in front of the officer on the left, and behind Captain Lennox's back though?

Thanks for these latest previews.

double post.

ladyferry said:

What google link?

It's on doubleofive's first post on page 261.  His current compilation of member's forum names (that appeared on this thread) are shown, and being updated until Adywan calls a halt. 

mumbles_ said:

i could always try and find more stuff to suggest but i don't want to step on adywan's toes.

 mumbles, if you see it, say it.  Adywan considers everything put to him, and may want to use it.

Thanks for the links LadyFerry!  :)

adywan said:

the red lights aren't visible on the section that is showing in new clip as they are just out of shot. if i move the windows upward so you can see the lights then it throws the scale out. Plus the red lights only blink in that one shot when the stardestroyer is on alert. if you look at the other shots of the stardestroyer bridge (including the executor because its the same set) the lights never blink.

Adywan, I know the 'vertical' RED-lit areas are 'out of shot' in your new Bridge shot, but what I was meaning was perhaps it might be good to have just one or two of the tiny 'circular' WHITE lights that are now seen in your shot, be RED instead, just as a subtle detail.  

I think the ones in the 'Avenger' interior shot just 'switch-on' rather than 'blink', come to think of it, and any REDDENED ones in your new shot could just be made to be 'static', like the rest of the WHITE ones are. 

It's just that I thought I could make out the odd RED light amongst the WHITE ones, on that narrow 'upper ledge' in some of the other Bridge shots, that's all.  

adywan said:

at the moment i'm working on removing the background in the shot where we see the troopers in the trench get ready for action but the background has the turret already destroyed before the Imperials even fire a shot. so far its taken me 4 days to mask out about half of the troopers

I'm so glad you're putting the effort into sorting this particular shot, even though it's time-consuming.  It's one that I'm really going to appreciate seeing improved.  :) 

RED lights 'blink-on', on the 'Avenger's' upper Bridge panel during this shot....

Monroville, thanks for your instructions on how to link muliple quotes / photos!  I hope to play around with that sometime.  :)

ladyferry, I know you've a soft-spot for that 'cave' Wampa face, but I'd really prefer a bad-ass Wampa in there!  ;)

By the way, can you add a link for Adywan's latest preview, to your collection?  Thanks.

Adywan, just a thought, but would it be possible to add a hint of RED lighting to your excellent new shot of the 'Tyrant's' Bridge?  Perhaps into just a couple of the lights on show, even?  It might just give an additional little 'something extra' to the shot, and would reference the touch of red that was in the original one too.

I've posted a shot of the 'Avenger's' Bridge in the following post as an example of a 'standard' Stardestroyer Bridge shot.  During the shot of the 'Avenger's' evasive action, some RED light's  actually 'blink-on', on this upper section  (Note:  the very front of the 'Avenger's' Bridge can fully be seen in the shot where the Millennium Falcon 'swoops closely upwards' past it's windows, but I can't remember where I previously posted it) -

adywan said:

I noticed something interesting when i was watching SP FX: The making of the Empire Strikes Back today. They have a brief shot of the puppet and its slightly different than the one used in the movie. The film version has more hair added to its cheeks and this covers up the horns. so it was nice to see the puppet with its original horns.

Wow!  It's been years since I saw that, and had forgotten this was in it.  I really like the look of this one too,  and those are indeed wonderfully 'gnarly' horns!  (and 'lop-sided' ears)

Nice one on the names front doubleofive, as there have been quite a few extra members since the first one!  

I wonder if the slightly 'lop-sided' ears of the 'puppet' version will be part of Ady's version or not?

I always liked them, myself.  :)

By the way, I'm still hoping someone will be able to PM me with a step-by-step of how I can link comments/shots from 'more-than-one' previous posts into a single post.  Thanks. 

 

 

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Here's how things currrently stand at the moment between the looks.  The bottom shot shows an early (abandoned) version that tied things together a little better.

Although I'd have ideally wished 'Indy 4' had been simply called 'Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Skulls' (or even the still slightly-alternative 'Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Skull'), I had a think about what I'd have liked if it had more closely reflected the feel of the 'Indiana Jones'-less 'Raiders of the lost Ark' title instead - 

If this had been the case, I think I would have wanted it to be another 5 word title, to sound similar to the 'Raiders' one.  So TMBTM's 'Kingdom of the Crystal Skull' fits the bill better, compared to the look and sound of say, either 'Kingdom of the Skull' or 'The Kingdom of the Skulls'.  (Even though it still reveals the 'crystal' aspect)

Knightmessenger said:

I've been watching some of your updates on youtube and I'm pretty impressed as usual. And I got to see the entire Star Wars Revisited on youtube. It was interesting seeing my name in the credits, even though I don't remember giving any suggestions for that edit.

I seem to remember reading somewhere, that Adywan added the names of whoever had commented in the ANH:R thread, by the time of it's release, regardless of whether you actually suggested any ideas or not.

I myself only found out that Adywan had done this amazing work to my all-time favourite movie, JUST AFTER it was finalised....and so missed out on proposing a suggestion or two.

If you've only watched it on YouTube (in the wrong 'ratio aspect' I seem to remember someone saying), wait till you actually see it in all it's DVD glory, with it's terrific accompanying sound!  PM me if you have trouble sourcing it yourself.    

Adywan, I'm just grateful that you didn't choose the original 'cave lunge' suit design route, in the end....  ;)

(I'm surprised how different that previous shot of the 'SE' head seems to look in the additional footage, too)

The downwards-pointing, 'gnarly' horns are the only thing I really liked about that 'SE' version personally, but would like to see them added to something resembling the original 'puppet' design.

Can't wait to see whatever you come up with eventually, and will look forward to that sketch!