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Darth Venal said:

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Okay, this is for the sake of all things 3D-related in general, considering I reckon it's gonna stick around this time....

Having now seen the (much better) 2nd trailer for 'AVATAR', I've no doubt things will look impressive enough in 2D, but I reckon it's going to be worth donning the glasses for a fully-IMMERSIVE viewing of the movie in 3D eventually -  http://www.avatarmovie.com/

Thankfully, things have moved on dramatically from the days of the old 'anaglyph' red and green glasses, with the quality much-improved, using a 'polarised' technology now.  One aspect of this latest 3D revival that I'm personally very interested in, is the new 'conversion' process that has been developed which transforms existing 2D footage into 3D....

Looks like we'll be getting the chance to revisit some old favourites on the big screen again in this format in the future....with the promise of 'home viewing' versions over the next few years too!

I can think of quite a few movies and scenes that I'd like to see in this process eventually....  :)

Shadows or not, I'm sure glad Adywan's making Hoth WHITE like this again!

Bingowings said:

There is a world of difference between a mockup and the heaps of work needed to pan and tilt that background in time with the camera moves in a convincing way mind.

So true where this scene is concerned.  However, I'm really hoping Adywan decides to give this one some kind of embellishment, even if it's just mainly a 'sky' shot.

vaderios, your still version certainly had a marvellous view there.  Great stuff.

adywan said:

I think that its more like sunrise when they arrive and sunset when they leave. The original colouring was a lot lighter in the approach scenes before the SE and then the 2004 version screwed everything up. I've given the scene a few hints that its sunrise in ESB:R

I wouldn't go by the colouring to determine if it is sunrise or sunset though.

Thanks for taking the time to respond to this one and showing those comparisons shots, Adywan.  As I'm not quite sure that the previous posts have guessed correctly (as I think another one might be a 'sunrise' too), I'll just say the point is well made about assuming anything regards the colours seen in either the GOUT or SE sunlit shots.

Depite my previously thinking the flow of the movie cut from 'Luke's daytime training', to 'the Falcon's 'sunset' arrival', to 'Luke's night-time departure', then back to 'daytime on Bespin', it's interesting to see that since you view it that the Falcon arrived at 'sunrise' that you've given the scene 'a few hints' that is the case. 

That's great and will help to clarify the look of things.

Oh, and that was a neat little clip, oh_riginal.  I personally loved that subtle difference in movement, and hope Ady decides to do it too.

Darth Venal said:

In the theatrical version, yes, the pattern does seem to indicate sunrise, then bright daytime, and then ending with the escape at sunset, but it just doesn't feel like sunrise.

I'm basing my 'sunset' impressions on the colouration of the initial Bespin approach seen in the 'theatrical' version too, to be honest Darth.

The colouration in the following shots leading up to C3PO getting shot were a totally mixed bag, but apart from that eventually 'fixed' window, there was still nothing that dispelled that evening 'sunset' mood for me, over the years.

Okay, I've ended up pondering this 'timeline' thing a little more where the Bespin scenes are involved, lol....

Although this window shot (seen immediately after the Falcon's intitial approach / landing at Bespin City) was given an SE 'orange sunset' makeover to tie it in better with the previous shots, rather than the suddenly 'blue daylight' originally seen at this point in the GOUT, I've realised the other things that also contributed to why I always thought this was a 'sunset' arrival, rather than a 'sunrise' one....

When the above scene ends with C3PO getting shot unbeknown to the rest of the group, we then immediately cut to a NIGHT-time setting for the next scene that shows Luke deciding to fly off from Yoda and Dagobah.  But when we eventually cut from this 'night-time' scene back to Bespin again, we now see scenes of 'bright daylight'.  It's this 'flow of light' in the order of the scenes onscreen that has reinforced this impression for me -  First 'Sunset',  then secondly 'night-time', then thirdly 'bright daylight'.  That's what gives me the impression that the 'bright daylight' scenes are meant to be during the next day, after they arrived.  However, I realise that there is no reason whatsoever why it can't be 'daylight' in the Bespin system system and 'night-time' in the Dagobah system at the same time during these unfolding events onscreen.  Equally, there's no reason why they have to be either, considering we don't know how far apart they are, or how often either has 'sunsets' or 'sunrises'....

The other things (apart from the sky colouration) that always gave me the 'sunset' arrival viewpoint, were that when we DO revert to 'bright daylight' scenes after the 'night-time' scene on Dagobah, is the fact that Leia is shown in a totally different outfit by this time, with a differently-styled hairdo also.  Again, no reason this 'change of image' couldn't have happened from earlier in the same day, had they arrived at 'sunRISE'....but to me it just reinforced visually that a longer 'passing of time' had occurred, and could be showing the NEXT day....

Finally, back to the question of why Lando would have to wait to betray the group to Vader and his troops until the next day, considering he tells them that they'd arrived just before they did....well why didn't he just lead them to Vader IMMEDIATELY in that case, rather than spend ANY time whatsover accomodating them before doing so?.....  Possibly because Vader wished it so for various reasons at that point, and Luke's flight towards Bespin from Dagobah takes an undisclosed length of time onscreen after all....

Either way I'm happy, but I just hope Ady doesn't end up 'yellowing' up his amazing skies....  I always loved those 'orange' hues....

RoccondilRinon said:

 Either way, all the action at Cloud City after their arrival takes place over a single day — same day if they arrive at sunrise, next day if they arrive at sunset.

Agreed, but I personally assumed the colours looked more 'sunset' than 'sunrise', but who's to say that Bespin's 'atmospherics' look like ours anyway, I guess? 

Will be interested in Adywan's take on this aspect.

RoccondilRinon said:

I will always think that it took the Falcon on the order of months to reach Bespin, given it is unable to travel faster than light and Han's line "it's pretty far but I think we can make it", and also given that Luke must have spent at least that much time training with Yoda. The only issue is the lack of progression of Han and Leia's romance, but we can assume that that took place offscreen.

So as far as onscreen editing and colouration (either GOUT or SE versions), did they arrive at 'sunset' or 'sunrise' in your view?

oh_riginal, let me be the first to 'lol' that!  That window shot is one view I'm particularly hopeful for Adywan to enhance somewhat.

Adywan, perhaps you could say what your personal take is on a certain point? -  Do you reckon that the initial approach by the Falcon towards Bespin City is set at 'sunset' or 'sunrise'?

Darth Venal originally mentioned the word 'sunset' a little while past, whereas vaderios then mentioned he thought that scene was set in the morning, so therefore 'sunrise'.

I myself always looked on it as being at 'sunset' (or 'sunsets' as it looks like!), with Luke arriving there later the next day after leaving from Dagobah (which could have been a good distance away from where Han decided to travel to 'safety'), arriving not long after the time we have jumped to 'daylight' scenes of Han mentioning to Leia that the Falcon's repairs are nearly done, and she is agitating about C3PO being still missing, after they have been put up for the previous night by Lando.

However, it that was the case, it could be argued that Vader 'took his time' in having them brought to him, considering Lando says that Vader arrived just before our heroes did....  I have no problem with that though.

Just curious if you (and others too) look on things the same way as I do, where the Falcon arrives at 'sunset' and eventually escapes the following 'sunset', or if you look on the events of the Falcon's arrival and eventual escape as being on the same day, arriving at 'sunrise' and eventually escaping away at 'sunset'.

Also, I wouldn't be against the 'binary' suns solution, as I always loved that 'other' sun shot as we first see the City come into view.... from a 'beauty shot' perspective.  Either way, I know your final version will look wonderful.

By the way vaderios, while I loved the blue for the ION cannon, I hope the 'Cloud Car' lasers remain their existing overall colour.  Always liked those as they are I gotta say.

vaderios said:

Also i remember that ady said he will do the open window shot to fix the continuity errors.

Good to see you back with your fine mock-ups again vaderios.  While I've been wowed by most, although don't agree with some, ALL have been of great interest and quality.

Concerning this particular scene that was mentioned a while back, I thought Adywan would have been more likely to revert to the original pre-SE backdrop (as seen on the left shot above) for all of this backdrop's appearances again, considering that it was only one shot where the scenes involving this backdrop had the 'buildings / elevator' shown.  There are quite a few other shots during the overall scene where this backdrop would need to be altered to match that SE shot, some of which look pretty tricky.  But if he IS choosing to match the SE look in the rest of them, then great, but it will be good just to get consistency in the backdrop again even if he reverts to the pre-SE version.

oh_riginal said:

I don't think Blu-ray is anamorphic at all, if I'm not mistaken. Only DVDs come in anamorphic.

One less worry for us all then.  My main fears for any future 'colouration' still stand however.

Great to hear there seems to be a lot of interesting improvements coming our way in the future Jay.  Your continued efforts on this excellent site are very much appreciated.

Not a bad concept there Anchorhead, but I always preferred this one, seeing as it was the first one I ever saw, and the way it fired up my anticipation for the movie at the time.  Still remains a classic piece of artwork -  http://www.solarnavigator.net/films_movies_actors/actors_films_images/star_wars_movie_poster.jpg

(I've got to get me one of those 'lenticular' poster versions available now!)

Also, I ABSOLUTELY gotta go with doubleofive's ace logo suggestion!  Something like that certainly gets my vote.

I'd also like to see SOMETHING describing the site's aims / contents written up on the initial 'homepage' still, though simplified somewhat, to intrigue newcomers into delving further into any links. 

Oh, and I wouldn't be averse to seeing Ripplin's slogan of 'Blu, not Blue!' being part of whatever mission statement is to be the latest campaign.  If they just dish out some freakish colouration on BluRay like they did with the SE DVD release, then it would be hardly worth it.  My 2 cents.

I noticed on the 1080p Episode 1 thread recently, that Ripplin jokingly (I think) suggested a 'Blu, not Blue!' campaign request should be taken up.  But seriously, one of the worst aspects of the SE DVD release was the awful colouration that was evident throughout.

The work that Adywan put into improving it (and continues doing on 'Empire:R' too) has dramatically enhanced things for the better considering the sources he had to use.  Which got me thinking....that although I'm keen to see an eventual better quality, anamorphic release of the Original Trilogy available on BluRay for the masses (GOUT version, with some kind of SE too if they must)....I truly hope that they are not cursed with the often overdarkened, oversaturated colouration issues of the current SE versions!

I don't know who's fault / 'creative decision' it was, but the quality of the SE DVD colouring compared to the originals is distinctly inferior and I fear the worst.  I therefore 'second that motion' by Ripplin!  :)

Darth Venal said:

I just rewatched TESB today and those inconsistent landing platform mattes really irk me now. Damn it I never should have gotten into this fan edit lark!

Yes, the Bespin City backdrops were something that lots of us were looking forward to Adywan hopefully being able to improve on.  Luckily, he seems to have surpassed himself with these particular sequences.

The SE releases were more about commerce than art in the end, and a missed opportunity unfortunately.  But what we are going to get from Adywan is pure art where these shots are concerned, and all his new 'skies' are looking glorious -

http://picasaweb.google.com/doubleofive/ESBRTrailerComparison#5335364938291618306

http://picasaweb.google.com/doubleofive/ESBRTrailerComparison#5335364997078575298

I can't wait to see the improved SLAVE 1 footage too.

Tobar -  The voiceovers at the time of that trailer were ridiculous even back then, lol.  I remember the thrill of seeing the new footage though.  Imagine if the trailer for 'Empire:R' had been seen / heard instead....  (although that wouldn't have been practical for various reasons, but I'm sure you get what I mean from an 'anticipation' point of view, due to it's structure)

TheBoost said:

Just to me (subjectively) the music is too scary and ominous for that scene.

It's always interesting to see what different views everyone here has on different aspects.  Me, I love this particular music enhancement and the fact that the 'officer meeting' scene sounds SO ominous now, compared to before.  The Emperor's 'control of events' is all over this scene now.

And that shot altered to have R2 D2 in front with a RED R2 Unit is another favourite change of mine too!

Those screenshots on page one are still messed up in a strange way unfortunately.  I'm sure they'll be sorted out eventually though.

adywan said:

Maybe next year, after ESB:R is finished, i may do a V2 of ANH:R with a few very minor changes with a commentary track.

This sounds like Adywan might choose to do something extra with it in 2010 , although that still leaves heaps of time for any thoughts from everyone when it comes around.

But it was also cool to see the words 'after ESB:R is finished'.  His work on the next chapter ('Empire') is getting ever closer!

Gotta say that I personally liked the 'praxis ring' for bigger impact overall.

In fact, although I love the enhanced Death Star explosion and recolouration that Adywan came up with, I actually missed the WHOOOSH of the SE impact ring coming towards us, being included in that too!  Some aren't keen on them, but I just happen to think they add to the 'scale' of things somewhat.

Hey, it's neat to get a chance to add to the ANH:R thread about something again!  I like your 'EU' take on Adywan's Battle Droid by the way doubleofive.  :)

adywan said:

The one change that would be happening would be re-adding the spinning starfield.

Well that's two potential changes we now know of already.  We'll follow this ones progress with great interest....

Great to hear that you're currently getting along nicely with your latest opus.  I'm glad you managed to keep that particular SE addition too, as it's a good 'un.

doubleofive said:

Now I give you permission to ruin ANHR for me like you always threatened.  If there's a chance to fix it, bring it on!

Lol, I wouldn't wish to do that in any way for anyone.  The things I have in mind are just subtle bits and pieces anyway that wouldn't detract from anyone's appreciation of ANH:R at all I'm sure.  Although I haven't contributed to the 'after Adywan' thread in any meaningful way previously, nor even read most of it, I know that nothing can spoil this amazing edit for me as it stands overall now.  It still impresses every time I get to see it.

So I'll catch up with that thread fully sometime, to see if anyone happened to mention any of the stuff I've got in mind, or not.

We've probably all seen the 'Empire:R' trailer (linked to on page one of this thread) by now, but in addition to the great screenshots also seen on page one, it's great to see the comparison shot breakdown that doubleofive has also done, which really shows off how terrific this is looking so far.  Thanks for doing that!

It's now linked to in his 'signature', but here it is for any that haven't seen it yet -  http://picasaweb.google.com/doubleofive/ESBRTrailerComparison#

By the way, did everyone see Adywan's 'off the cuff' comment on the ANH:R thread today?....  ;)

Good man doubleofive!  :)  No rush, but I'll be in touch with the details for that sometime.

This is another day that will be long remembered....

adywan said:

Maybe next year, after ESB:R is finished, i may do a V2 of ANH:R with a few very minor changes with a commentary track.

Oh WOW....Star Wars:Revisited:REVISITED! 

Okay, even though that's just a maybe, seeing as I just missed out on finding out about ANH:R in time to contribute any ideas for it the first time round....I hope to get a chance to mention a couple of little extra touches / missed possible 'fixes' for consideration this time round.

doubleofive -  I have a couple of things in mind for a 'mock-up' of the 'Torture Droid' that Adywan wasn't 100% happy with the first time around, if you'd be willing to help me with that sometime....

Hey, some neat stuff there on your alternative Alderaan explosion Darth Venal.  Personally I reckon it would work better without the cut to the planet surface, purely for a quicker denoument overall, which would more closely match the original speed of destruction.  But that's just my own preference at the end of the day.  Nice work.

Adywan's new explosion was one of the highlights of his edit for me, but my ideal version would have included just the single quick shot of the fast approaching shockwave as it engulfs Jar Jar (from his unused version), at a point between the planet being hit by the beam, and it then exploding....heh, heh.  ;)