ImperialFighter

To me, the MOST grating thing about the Jar Jar character was undoubtedly the voice / histrionics (and some of the dialogue) supplied by Ahmed Best (and George Lucas).

The likes of Magnoliafan's subtitled version changed things entertainingly, but because he speaks so many times throughout TPM, it ends up a LOT of subtitles to read, and there is STILL the issue that an alternative 'alien dialogue voice' that really sounds easy on the ears would be needed if things are subtitled, considering we'd still HEAR him so much throughout.  The main advantage of this route is that any kind of totally new 'dialogue' can be given to Jar Jar....as Magnoliafan showed with his foul-mouthed version, lol!

Of course, a total 'redub' using someone else's voice ALSO means that totally new dialogue can be added if required too.  Any kind of 'accents' aside, I just wish that a DEEP-sounding voice had been given to Jar Jar in the first place. 

Personally, I always wished that this main character in the first prequel had been voiced in the same kind of gruff way as the Captain Tarpals gungan was.  (But then I'd also have preferred Jar Jar's  CG character to have had the 'greenish' gungan colouring too, rather than the 'orange' they went with.)

This overly dumbed-down character truly ended up being the unwanted red-headed step-child to many unfortunately.  And even if George insisted that his most prominent CG character JUST HAD to be doing foolish schtick throughout, I reckon his 'target-audience' of young kiddies would STILL have taken to Jar Jar if he'd been made a bit more DIGNIFIED-sounding.  He would also have probably ended up a lot more tolerable to most anyone older....

Ironically, I remember when I first read that TPM was going to feature a fully-CG'd 'alien' character throughout as a MAIN cast member, thinking at the time that this would be groundbreakingly amazing , and one of the things I most looked forward to seeing in the prequel.... -  http://brianorndorf.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54ee7b642883300e553785e6b8834-500pi

ImperialFighter said:

When I click into 'Quick edit' to add an 'underscore' to emphasise a word in my post, and then click onto 'SAVED CHANGES' to repost it, the 'underscore' refuses to show.

Just a little reminder that this is still a glitch Jay.  In fact, any 'underlining' is not showing up even when you post something for the FIRST time either.

When I click into 'Quick edit' to add an 'underscore' to emphasise a word in my post, and then click onto 'SAVED CHANGES' to repost it, the 'underscore' refuses to show.

Jeyl said:

ImperialFighter said:Adding a hint of a 'deactivating' saber was definately something I'd love to see too.  These were my thoughts from page 42 previously.

I think the shot is fine the way it is. The attention is focused on where it needs to be. Luke clinging to dear life!

If the deactivating saber needs to be put in, I like the idea of it happening when Luke gets sucked out the window

Er....I think you'll see in the post I quoted, that I did say that I'd like to see it 'deactivating' during the shot that Luke goes backwards through the window....

To be honest, it wouldn't even need to be in the position where vaderios showed in his nice mock-up, but could even be a mere glimpse of the last remnant of the blade's deactivation added to a bit of the debris seen in the shot, seeing as the shot itself is so brief.  I don't even think a 'deactivation' sound effect is necessary as the wind howls so loudly during the shot it would be drowned out anyway.

ImperialFighter said:

adywan said:

ImperialFighter said:


I don't know if you've got round to working out what you want to do with this particular scene yet, but here's a possible solution to Luke's 'missing' Lightsaber as he crashes through the 'window' during his duel with Darth.

His sabre is already on the gantry in the birds eye shot so no fix needed for this (Oh and the pics posted are just for reference.  No colour correction has been done on these.  i just brightened them so you can see them better)

ImperialFighter said:

Hands up all those in the world that didn't notice it there before.... (mine certainly is!) Throughout numerous viewings on various screens and displays in the past, I just didn't realise that was meant to be it, lol. Having checked both GOUT and SE releases, I find it is still not obvious as the Lightsaber due to it's position and shadowing. I always thought that particular object was an item with a 'hose'/'tubing' attachment lying there with the other debris, rather than the hilt lying ON TOP of 'hose'/tubing'....and obviously could have done with your yellow arrow in the past!

Ady, I am using a very nicely set up television screen with excellent colour, brightness and contrast levels adjusted, and the whole gantry walkway on the SE release is coloured/shadowed in such a way where the shadowed Lightsaber seems to merge into it too much to be obvious. It does seem more noticeable in your vibrantly-coloured shot above though, especially with that arrow! Even though this seems to be it, the shot is so brief that your eye is distracted by either the struggling Luke in the centre, or the flashing gantry light on the left.  I would ask you to consider moving it over a bit nearer where Luke is clinging on, which is the area viewers focus on, so that it's more easily seen as a stand-alone item. If you choose to leave it where it is, then I would ask that you perhaps 'bring it out' a bit from the shadowing and 'hose'/tubing' beside it.

I'd still love to see an added 'falling' Lightsaber deactivating near Luke as he goes backwards through the window though, so that it's easily identifiable amongst the debris during that brief shot....because it could be a very neat-looking, subtle addition to the proceedings, and help to more easily identify that it would be deactivated on the walkway seen in the 'birds-eye' shot.

And thanks for that, as I can now make the Lightsaber out! ;)

Adding a hint of a 'deactivating' saber was definately something I'd love to see too.  These were my thoughts from page 42 previously.

I've checked everything there today, and it is indeed resolved.

Thanks very much for that Jay.  :)

ImperialFighter said:

 

By the way, when I went back in to EDIT this post a little, I 'underlined' the emboldened words above, but when I reposted with the 'save changes' button, the post refuses to show the 'underlines'.  Tried this twice to no avail.

Unfortunately, this one still remains the case today.  :(

When I went into 'Quick Edit' in my previous above post to underline that emboldened 'also' word, although the underline appears when I add it, when I then click 'SAVE CHANGES' it doesn't show up when it's reposted....

ImperialFighter said:

the ones saying Star Wars fan edits and fan edits of films other than Star Wars are giving me that 'Redirect Loop' error message, and I am only managing to get to those particular forums by clicking on the our forums link instead, and then looking for them there.

 

These ones are also now working for me today, thanks.  :)

Hi Jay,  the one hiccup I was fearing with this latest upgrade was not being able to access a lot of stuff that I was in the middle of preparing for posting in saved 'DRAFTS'.

Well, It turns out that all the various headings / forum / date saved etc. information for each saved post is showing as normal when I click on the 'DRAFTS' button, but then I can't access ANY of them after all.... 

For each individual post I was in the process of making up with various comments and screenshots, prior to posting in the future, I'm now just getting a huge error page of technical gobbledegook (to me anyway) in their place, when I click on them.

Sure hope this is something that can be rectified eventually, and that I haven't lost the lot....

Regards.

I'm not having that problem, but this could be something that Jay's sorted since you posted about it hours ago.

But I've come across other hiccups....

Just to say that not only is that particular link showing a 'Redirect Loop' error message, but there are also OTHER links on the front 'HOME' page that are still showing that same message today, and that I am unable to access them directly from these links.

For instance, the ones saying Star Wars fan edits and fan edits of films other than Star Wars are giving me that 'Redirect Loop' error message, and I am only managing to get to those particular forums by clicking on the our forums link instead, and then looking for them there.

By the way, when I went back in to EDIT this post a little, I 'underlined' the emboldened words above, but when I reposted with the 'save changes' button, the post refuses to show the 'underlines'.  Tried this twice to no avail.

Regards.

adywan said:

I wanted to keep the same logo animation for all of the movies but add different elements to represent each movie

That would be ideal, along with keeping the 'Imperial March' cue hopefully.

Sky_ said:

Im gonna try to do a NEW ADYWAN LOGO for you like I did on your last Star wars Project.

Sky_, I actually love the terrific original one just as it is, with it's Imperial March cue.  I remember my son saying he thought it looked really cool when he first saw it too.

I've watched ANH:R so many times now, that it seems as part of the fittings now as the other logos at the start of the movie.  I really looked forward to seeing that same logo throughout in the rest of the 'Revisited' versions, especially at the beginning of EMPIRE:R.

Great stuff on managing to fix most of the 'transparent' Speeder cockpit issues, Adywan.  Another neat improvement.

Zak said:

Ady, will you be making any changes to the glass screens in echo base? They don't seem to be very helpful and yet the woman somehow knows when to launch the first transport (I think someone mentioned this but I can't find it so...)

 

As Ganamae said, Adywan IS intending adding something or other to these 'screens'.  I'll take what I get, but I'm hoping that it will be a VERY subtle enhancement, just enough to catch your eye in these 2 particular shots.

There are two shots close to each other of the scene shown above -  one at the point when the Rebel General says "Their primary target will be the power generators.  Prepare  to open shield", and the second where the Operator orders "Stand by, ion control.  Fire!"  On top of this, these Control Room 'screens' are also seen a few other times in different scenes.  The thing is, in a couple of these other shots, you can can see that there ARE small red flashing dots on them at certain points.  (Not to be confused with the red lights on the gizmo that is seen when the WHITE 'threepio'-like droid and when a male Operator are scanning the 'screens' in different shots).  There also seems to be the odd BLUE segment inside the swirling patterns when you study the shots.  (Indicating 'sectors' of activity?)

Just a subtle hint of the odd small RED or WHITE 'blip' (or BLUE one for the Ion Cannon 'powering up' even?) added to the 2 shots in the scene shown above would be nice addition, perhaps being seen to tie-in with the wording that the General and the Operator say during them?

TV's Frink said:

cap said:

Why would Han risk Scenario #2 when he can have Scenario #1?

Han knows from the SE that Greedo can't shoot straight.

Nice one TV's Frink, lol!

Darth Chronus, thanks for that, big lol!.  :)

I prefer it with Han's line too, however this is the way I'd REALLY have liked George to have originally ordered this scene -

Greedo:  'I've been looking forward to this for a long time'

[ BLAM! ]

[ Greedo falls, dead ]

Han:  'Yes, I bet you have....' 

:)

Jedi Dark Knight, a few recently suggested / hoped for that when the shots went up.

Ripplin, yeah, for nearly a month now.  Guess you missed what I wrote in the last post over here -  http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Time-for-a-slight-redesign/topic/10039/

Going by the colour of previous efforts, it's one of my biggest fears for the Blu-ray versions, lol....  It's so great that Adywan is improving things in his versions.

That change to a closer, better seen Sandcrawler element is one of my favourite changes.

Sure, it wasn't a biggie in the scheme of things, but I reckon it looks far, far better than the previous 'dot' in the distance with the dreadful 'reflection' flash.  And the whole new shot (and excellent skies) seen shortly after, is a HUGE improvement to the original version -  http://picasaweb.google.com/doubleofive/ANHRVisualComparisonPart1#5184276470873014866

Adywan, a little thing that I meant to ask about when your terrific trailer came out  -

While the subtle 'glow' on Luke's face looks great here, will there yet be a bit more 'uniformity' of the lightsaber 'glows' all around the cores in this particular close-up shot, especially Vader's RED one, as in your other lightsaber shots? -

http://picasaweb.google.com/doubleofive/ESBRTrailerComparison#5335364913895077586

Davnes007 -  Thanks for putting up that comparison shot and GIF.

I hadn't actually picked up on was the fact that the furthest away 'skin flap' is in different positions between the 2 shots too!  (Suppose it could have be 'knocked backed' by the Medical Droid or Luke during the intervening shot, but still....)

It's going to be interesting to see just how Adywan decides to improve on anything during these shots.

Would it still be possible for someone to also stick up a screenshot of the end of the 2nd shot, showing just how badly aligned the fully-closed 'skin flap' ends up looking with the 'arm'?  Thanks again.

ImperialFighter said:

When the 'skin flap' of  Luke's artificial arm is closed by the Medical Droid, it doesn't line up with the little portion of 'fake arm' underneath the metal 'clamp' that we can  see nearest the robe sleeve. Could this be amended?

And please consider this one too Ady - Could the whole metal 'clamp' section nearest the robe sleeve be actually removed, and replaced with a LONGER robe sleeve nearly up to where the 'flap area' closes over?  This would make it seem that not so much of his arm has been lopped off when compared to where it was actually cut off earlier in the movie, and gets rid of the 'faker-looking' veins on the dummy arm nearest the robe sleeve too....
The immediate following shot afterwards shows the left arm of Luke's robe clearly, to match where the 'seam' on the new robe 'cuff' would be.

I'd forgotten how horrible this is....so in addition to the comments above that I previously made on page 42 (!), there's a couple more I'd like to suggest now that it's been mentioned again -

There are actually two different shots of this 'fake' arm, seperated by a shot of Luke's face.  They are both static shots, but shown at a very slightly different angle to each other.  One shows the thumb, finger and palm being prodded by the Medical Droid, and the other is seen in the screenshot recently posted, where Luke wiggles his fingers about.  A real hand obviously sticks out the end of a none too convincing 'prosthetic arm' which seems to be a slightly different colour compared with the more pinkish real hand.  The thing is, since the WHOLE hand and 'opened up arm' that we see is ALL meant to be 'artificial'....then it's reasonable to assume that it should all be a uniform colour.  The 'veins' that are on the fake arm make the difference in colouring from the real hand more obvious, especially when the ones on the fake 'wrist' nearest the real hand show no movement whatsoever, considering the amount of movements that we see the 'supposedly artificial' hand itself make.   However, that is not the main problem that spoilt these shots for me.

One of the MAIN things that looks bad to me personally are definately the 'veins' seen nearest Luke's robe sleeve.  Especially in the FIRST shot of the 'arm' that we see.  Ideally, I'd like to see them removed, EITHER by making that small section of the 'arm' a uniform 'flesh' colour OR by extending the robe sleeve to cover them up.  My previous suggestion was to perhaps replace the metal 'clamp' with an extended robe sleeve, which would tie in a little better with the fact Luke's hand was only cut off at the WRIST....but even if the robe sleeve was only extended CLOSER to the metal 'clamp', things would look better.

The two other main things that look bad to me, are the fact the 'skin flap' doesn't ALIGN properly with the 'arm' section underneath the metal 'clamp' nearest the robe sleeve when closed, and that the robe sleeve itself doesn't seem to match (in it's 'creases') between the two shots either....

It's these three things that are the worst aspects of the whole fake 'arm' appliance I reckon.  I personally like the actual 'inside workings' fine as they are though!

doubleofive -  perhaps you could stick a comparison of the FIRST 'arm' shot (at any point) along with the SECOND one at a point that shows the 'skin flap' fully flipped back into place for me sometime?  Thanks.

Darth Venal said:

He's not getting rid of the FX shot, just using a non-rotating version of it.

Where did Adywan say he was stopping it rotating?

Well done to you both. 

Ganamae, that's especially one hell of a great 'extra' to tide you over until the eventual final release next year!  Nice one.

TMBTM said:

As someone said Han is poiting at the crater (which would probably be an interesting place to hide) and then he see the cave (and say "yes", it's definitely a good place to hide)

I don't see it as a huge continuity problem. If Adywan feels uncomfortable with it he can change it, I don't mind.

But there's enough work to do without searching problems when they are not that obvious  (at least ot me).

Agreed.  That's always the way I read that scene too, I have to say.