ImperialFighter

Sky_ said:

Im gonna try to do a NEW ADYWAN LOGO for you like I did on your last Star wars Project.

Sky_, I actually love the terrific original one just as it is, with it's Imperial March cue.  I remember my son saying he thought it looked really cool when he first saw it too.

I've watched ANH:R so many times now, that it seems as part of the fittings now as the other logos at the start of the movie.  I really looked forward to seeing that same logo throughout in the rest of the 'Revisited' versions, especially at the beginning of EMPIRE:R.

Great stuff on managing to fix most of the 'transparent' Speeder cockpit issues, Adywan.  Another neat improvement.

Zak said:

Ady, will you be making any changes to the glass screens in echo base? They don't seem to be very helpful and yet the woman somehow knows when to launch the first transport (I think someone mentioned this but I can't find it so...)

 

As Ganamae said, Adywan IS intending adding something or other to these 'screens'.  I'll take what I get, but I'm hoping that it will be a VERY subtle enhancement, just enough to catch your eye in these 2 particular shots.

There are two shots close to each other of the scene shown above -  one at the point when the Rebel General says "Their primary target will be the power generators.  Prepare  to open shield", and the second where the Operator orders "Stand by, ion control.  Fire!"  On top of this, these Control Room 'screens' are also seen a few other times in different scenes.  The thing is, in a couple of these other shots, you can can see that there ARE small red flashing dots on them at certain points.  (Not to be confused with the red lights on the gizmo that is seen when the WHITE 'threepio'-like droid and when a male Operator are scanning the 'screens' in different shots).  There also seems to be the odd BLUE segment inside the swirling patterns when you study the shots.  (Indicating 'sectors' of activity?)

Just a subtle hint of the odd small RED or WHITE 'blip' (or BLUE one for the Ion Cannon 'powering up' even?) added to the 2 shots in the scene shown above would be nice addition, perhaps being seen to tie-in with the wording that the General and the Operator say during them?

TV's Frink said:

cap said:

Why would Han risk Scenario #2 when he can have Scenario #1?

Han knows from the SE that Greedo can't shoot straight.

Nice one TV's Frink, lol!

Darth Chronus, thanks for that, big lol!.  :)

I prefer it with Han's line too, however this is the way I'd REALLY have liked George to have originally ordered this scene -

Greedo:  'I've been looking forward to this for a long time'

[ BLAM! ]

[ Greedo falls, dead ]

Han:  'Yes, I bet you have....' 

:)

Jedi Dark Knight, a few recently suggested / hoped for that when the shots went up.

Ripplin, yeah, for nearly a month now.  Guess you missed what I wrote in the last post over here -  http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Time-for-a-slight-redesign/topic/10039/

Going by the colour of previous efforts, it's one of my biggest fears for the Blu-ray versions, lol....  It's so great that Adywan is improving things in his versions.

That change to a closer, better seen Sandcrawler element is one of my favourite changes.

Sure, it wasn't a biggie in the scheme of things, but I reckon it looks far, far better than the previous 'dot' in the distance with the dreadful 'reflection' flash.  And the whole new shot (and excellent skies) seen shortly after, is a HUGE improvement to the original version -  http://picasaweb.google.com/doubleofive/ANHRVisualComparisonPart1#5184276470873014866

Adywan, a little thing that I meant to ask about when your terrific trailer came out  -

While the subtle 'glow' on Luke's face looks great here, will there yet be a bit more 'uniformity' of the lightsaber 'glows' all around the cores in this particular close-up shot, especially Vader's RED one, as in your other lightsaber shots? -

http://picasaweb.google.com/doubleofive/ESBRTrailerComparison#5335364913895077586

Davnes007 -  Thanks for putting up that comparison shot and GIF.

I hadn't actually picked up on was the fact that the furthest away 'skin flap' is in different positions between the 2 shots too!  (Suppose it could have be 'knocked backed' by the Medical Droid or Luke during the intervening shot, but still....)

It's going to be interesting to see just how Adywan decides to improve on anything during these shots.

Would it still be possible for someone to also stick up a screenshot of the end of the 2nd shot, showing just how badly aligned the fully-closed 'skin flap' ends up looking with the 'arm'?  Thanks again.

ImperialFighter said:

When the 'skin flap' of  Luke's artificial arm is closed by the Medical Droid, it doesn't line up with the little portion of 'fake arm' underneath the metal 'clamp' that we can  see nearest the robe sleeve. Could this be amended?

And please consider this one too Ady - Could the whole metal 'clamp' section nearest the robe sleeve be actually removed, and replaced with a LONGER robe sleeve nearly up to where the 'flap area' closes over?  This would make it seem that not so much of his arm has been lopped off when compared to where it was actually cut off earlier in the movie, and gets rid of the 'faker-looking' veins on the dummy arm nearest the robe sleeve too....
The immediate following shot afterwards shows the left arm of Luke's robe clearly, to match where the 'seam' on the new robe 'cuff' would be.

I'd forgotten how horrible this is....so in addition to the comments above that I previously made on page 42 (!), there's a couple more I'd like to suggest now that it's been mentioned again -

There are actually two different shots of this 'fake' arm, seperated by a shot of Luke's face.  They are both static shots, but shown at a very slightly different angle to each other.  One shows the thumb, finger and palm being prodded by the Medical Droid, and the other is seen in the screenshot recently posted, where Luke wiggles his fingers about.  A real hand obviously sticks out the end of a none too convincing 'prosthetic arm' which seems to be a slightly different colour compared with the more pinkish real hand.  The thing is, since the WHOLE hand and 'opened up arm' that we see is ALL meant to be 'artificial'....then it's reasonable to assume that it should all be a uniform colour.  The 'veins' that are on the fake arm make the difference in colouring from the real hand more obvious, especially when the ones on the fake 'wrist' nearest the real hand show no movement whatsoever, considering the amount of movements that we see the 'supposedly artificial' hand itself make.   However, that is not the main problem that spoilt these shots for me.

One of the MAIN things that looks bad to me personally are definately the 'veins' seen nearest Luke's robe sleeve.  Especially in the FIRST shot of the 'arm' that we see.  Ideally, I'd like to see them removed, EITHER by making that small section of the 'arm' a uniform 'flesh' colour OR by extending the robe sleeve to cover them up.  My previous suggestion was to perhaps replace the metal 'clamp' with an extended robe sleeve, which would tie in a little better with the fact Luke's hand was only cut off at the WRIST....but even if the robe sleeve was only extended CLOSER to the metal 'clamp', things would look better.

The two other main things that look bad to me, are the fact the 'skin flap' doesn't ALIGN properly with the 'arm' section underneath the metal 'clamp' nearest the robe sleeve when closed, and that the robe sleeve itself doesn't seem to match (in it's 'creases') between the two shots either....

It's these three things that are the worst aspects of the whole fake 'arm' appliance I reckon.  I personally like the actual 'inside workings' fine as they are though!

doubleofive -  perhaps you could stick a comparison of the FIRST 'arm' shot (at any point) along with the SECOND one at a point that shows the 'skin flap' fully flipped back into place for me sometime?  Thanks.

Darth Venal said:

He's not getting rid of the FX shot, just using a non-rotating version of it.

Where did Adywan say he was stopping it rotating?

Well done to you both. 

Ganamae, that's especially one hell of a great 'extra' to tide you over until the eventual final release next year!  Nice one.

TMBTM said:

As someone said Han is poiting at the crater (which would probably be an interesting place to hide) and then he see the cave (and say "yes", it's definitely a good place to hide)

I don't see it as a huge continuity problem. If Adywan feels uncomfortable with it he can change it, I don't mind.

But there's enough work to do without searching problems when they are not that obvious  (at least ot me).

Agreed.  That's always the way I read that scene too, I have to say.

Darth Venal said:

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Just for future reference, as long as you log in your username and password into the forum, you will then see that the words 'Quick Edit' will appear under your name in each post you make.  You can just click on this to then backspace out anything that you've typed wrongly, or if you wish, just remove the lot and type in something like 'post deleted' instead.

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Okay, this is for the sake of all things 3D-related in general, considering I reckon it's gonna stick around this time....

Having now seen the (much better) 2nd trailer for 'AVATAR', I've no doubt things will look impressive enough in 2D, but I reckon it's going to be worth donning the glasses for a fully-IMMERSIVE viewing of the movie in 3D eventually -  http://www.avatarmovie.com/

Thankfully, things have moved on dramatically from the days of the old 'anaglyph' red and green glasses, with the quality much-improved, using a 'polarised' technology now.  One aspect of this latest 3D revival that I'm personally very interested in, is the new 'conversion' process that has been developed which transforms existing 2D footage into 3D....

Looks like we'll be getting the chance to revisit some old favourites on the big screen again in this format in the future....with the promise of 'home viewing' versions over the next few years too!

I can think of quite a few movies and scenes that I'd like to see in this process eventually....  :)

Shadows or not, I'm sure glad Adywan's making Hoth WHITE like this again!

Bingowings said:

There is a world of difference between a mockup and the heaps of work needed to pan and tilt that background in time with the camera moves in a convincing way mind.

So true where this scene is concerned.  However, I'm really hoping Adywan decides to give this one some kind of embellishment, even if it's just mainly a 'sky' shot.

vaderios, your still version certainly had a marvellous view there.  Great stuff.

adywan said:

I think that its more like sunrise when they arrive and sunset when they leave. The original colouring was a lot lighter in the approach scenes before the SE and then the 2004 version screwed everything up. I've given the scene a few hints that its sunrise in ESB:R

I wouldn't go by the colouring to determine if it is sunrise or sunset though.

Thanks for taking the time to respond to this one and showing those comparisons shots, Adywan.  As I'm not quite sure that the previous posts have guessed correctly (as I think another one might be a 'sunrise' too), I'll just say the point is well made about assuming anything regards the colours seen in either the GOUT or SE sunlit shots.

Depite my previously thinking the flow of the movie cut from 'Luke's daytime training', to 'the Falcon's 'sunset' arrival', to 'Luke's night-time departure', then back to 'daytime on Bespin', it's interesting to see that since you view it that the Falcon arrived at 'sunrise' that you've given the scene 'a few hints' that is the case. 

That's great and will help to clarify the look of things.

Oh, and that was a neat little clip, oh_riginal.  I personally loved that subtle difference in movement, and hope Ady decides to do it too.

Darth Venal said:

In the theatrical version, yes, the pattern does seem to indicate sunrise, then bright daytime, and then ending with the escape at sunset, but it just doesn't feel like sunrise.

I'm basing my 'sunset' impressions on the colouration of the initial Bespin approach seen in the 'theatrical' version too, to be honest Darth.

The colouration in the following shots leading up to C3PO getting shot were a totally mixed bag, but apart from that eventually 'fixed' window, there was still nothing that dispelled that evening 'sunset' mood for me, over the years.

Okay, I've ended up pondering this 'timeline' thing a little more where the Bespin scenes are involved, lol....

Although this window shot (seen immediately after the Falcon's intitial approach / landing at Bespin City) was given an SE 'orange sunset' makeover to tie it in better with the previous shots, rather than the suddenly 'blue daylight' originally seen at this point in the GOUT, I've realised the other things that also contributed to why I always thought this was a 'sunset' arrival, rather than a 'sunrise' one....

When the above scene ends with C3PO getting shot unbeknown to the rest of the group, we then immediately cut to a NIGHT-time setting for the next scene that shows Luke deciding to fly off from Yoda and Dagobah.  But when we eventually cut from this 'night-time' scene back to Bespin again, we now see scenes of 'bright daylight'.  It's this 'flow of light' in the order of the scenes onscreen that has reinforced this impression for me -  First 'Sunset',  then secondly 'night-time', then thirdly 'bright daylight'.  That's what gives me the impression that the 'bright daylight' scenes are meant to be during the next day, after they arrived.  However, I realise that there is no reason whatsoever why it can't be 'daylight' in the Bespin system system and 'night-time' in the Dagobah system at the same time during these unfolding events onscreen.  Equally, there's no reason why they have to be either, considering we don't know how far apart they are, or how often either has 'sunsets' or 'sunrises'....

The other things (apart from the sky colouration) that always gave me the 'sunset' arrival viewpoint, were that when we DO revert to 'bright daylight' scenes after the 'night-time' scene on Dagobah, is the fact that Leia is shown in a totally different outfit by this time, with a differently-styled hairdo also.  Again, no reason this 'change of image' couldn't have happened from earlier in the same day, had they arrived at 'sunRISE'....but to me it just reinforced visually that a longer 'passing of time' had occurred, and could be showing the NEXT day....

Finally, back to the question of why Lando would have to wait to betray the group to Vader and his troops until the next day, considering he tells them that they'd arrived just before they did....well why didn't he just lead them to Vader IMMEDIATELY in that case, rather than spend ANY time whatsover accomodating them before doing so?.....  Possibly because Vader wished it so for various reasons at that point, and Luke's flight towards Bespin from Dagobah takes an undisclosed length of time onscreen after all....

Either way I'm happy, but I just hope Ady doesn't end up 'yellowing' up his amazing skies....  I always loved those 'orange' hues....

RoccondilRinon said:

 Either way, all the action at Cloud City after their arrival takes place over a single day — same day if they arrive at sunrise, next day if they arrive at sunset.

Agreed, but I personally assumed the colours looked more 'sunset' than 'sunrise', but who's to say that Bespin's 'atmospherics' look like ours anyway, I guess? 

Will be interested in Adywan's take on this aspect.

RoccondilRinon said:

I will always think that it took the Falcon on the order of months to reach Bespin, given it is unable to travel faster than light and Han's line "it's pretty far but I think we can make it", and also given that Luke must have spent at least that much time training with Yoda. The only issue is the lack of progression of Han and Leia's romance, but we can assume that that took place offscreen.

So as far as onscreen editing and colouration (either GOUT or SE versions), did they arrive at 'sunset' or 'sunrise' in your view?

oh_riginal, let me be the first to 'lol' that!  That window shot is one view I'm particularly hopeful for Adywan to enhance somewhat.

Adywan, perhaps you could say what your personal take is on a certain point? -  Do you reckon that the initial approach by the Falcon towards Bespin City is set at 'sunset' or 'sunrise'?

Darth Venal originally mentioned the word 'sunset' a little while past, whereas vaderios then mentioned he thought that scene was set in the morning, so therefore 'sunrise'.

I myself always looked on it as being at 'sunset' (or 'sunsets' as it looks like!), with Luke arriving there later the next day after leaving from Dagobah (which could have been a good distance away from where Han decided to travel to 'safety'), arriving not long after the time we have jumped to 'daylight' scenes of Han mentioning to Leia that the Falcon's repairs are nearly done, and she is agitating about C3PO being still missing, after they have been put up for the previous night by Lando.

However, it that was the case, it could be argued that Vader 'took his time' in having them brought to him, considering Lando says that Vader arrived just before our heroes did....  I have no problem with that though.

Just curious if you (and others too) look on things the same way as I do, where the Falcon arrives at 'sunset' and eventually escapes the following 'sunset', or if you look on the events of the Falcon's arrival and eventual escape as being on the same day, arriving at 'sunrise' and eventually escaping away at 'sunset'.

Also, I wouldn't be against the 'binary' suns solution, as I always loved that 'other' sun shot as we first see the City come into view.... from a 'beauty shot' perspective.  Either way, I know your final version will look wonderful.

By the way vaderios, while I loved the blue for the ION cannon, I hope the 'Cloud Car' lasers remain their existing overall colour.  Always liked those as they are I gotta say.

vaderios said:

Also i remember that ady said he will do the open window shot to fix the continuity errors.

Good to see you back with your fine mock-ups again vaderios.  While I've been wowed by most, although don't agree with some, ALL have been of great interest and quality.

Concerning this particular scene that was mentioned a while back, I thought Adywan would have been more likely to revert to the original pre-SE backdrop (as seen on the left shot above) for all of this backdrop's appearances again, considering that it was only one shot where the scenes involving this backdrop had the 'buildings / elevator' shown.  There are quite a few other shots during the overall scene where this backdrop would need to be altered to match that SE shot, some of which look pretty tricky.  But if he IS choosing to match the SE look in the rest of them, then great, but it will be good just to get consistency in the backdrop again even if he reverts to the pre-SE version.

oh_riginal said:

I don't think Blu-ray is anamorphic at all, if I'm not mistaken. Only DVDs come in anamorphic.

One less worry for us all then.  My main fears for any future 'colouration' still stand however.