brash_stryker said:
I think some people have misunderstood and think I'm the one in the pic Ganamae posted :p
Whew! Then who the hell is that poor sod?
adywan said:
Yes, i removed the SE flames and added some debris.
Plus i think the shot of the probe emerging from the smoke is a perfect reveal. Very eerie. Fire would just ruin that
Perfect. It always annoyed me how they added SE 'fire' to the wide shot, but didn't bother to match it with some in the 'close-up' too. All's well again.
By the way brash_stryker, that's the scariest thing I've seen since Halloween!
Nanner Split said:
Wait, where/when did this happen?
I briefly noticed that he'd put a thread up here yesterday as Janskeet2, titled 'I'm back!'....
Seems the powers-that-be weren't too exited about the idea though....
Nice extra effort on Luke's saber, Adywan.
Cool mock-up there vaderios, but I think the added SE flames have just been removed now.
I always thought that a bit of that 'casing' seen around the rim in the 'close-up' should be seen in the wide shot also though.
Bonnie Scotland, UK
Avatar said:
i can't believe no one is talking about the new cloud city matte
Lovin' the new composition which shows the outer edge of the city. And the faint added 'sky traffic' above the skyline is a welcome subtle touch. Wonderful work.
adywan said:
And I don't know if Adywan can do anything about this too, but doubleofive noticed that there also seems to be some detailing missing from the inside of this leg. If possible, this would be a neat addition, considering how closely we see it.
thats been fixed
Awesome! :)
This 'close-up' of an AT-AT firing was always one of my favourite shots from the battle scenes.
But there's a strange glitch on it's front right leg that's always spoiled it a little. Here's the shot as it currently looks -
As it's something that I really hope Adywan will sort out, I asked doubleofive to do a couple of 'mock-ups' showing how it should look without the 'jaggedness' (many thanks 005), and his 2nd one below shows how even a 'basic' touch-up would improve this greatly.
And I don't know if Adywan can do anything about this too, but doubleofive noticed that there also seems to be some detailing missing from the inside of this leg. If possible, this would be a neat addition, considering how closely we see it.
His 1st 'mock-up' below gives an idea of what's missing, and I've included an example at the bottom of this post -
....and with just the 'jaggedness' removed:
Unfortunately, I couldn't find a clear shot of the top inside front leg details on any other shots in the battle, and any potentially revealing ones were too indistinct due to very dark 'weathering' in that area.
....however, here's a link with the leg detailing clearly seen on the Master Replicas miniature: http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/mr/mr-atatpreview-25.jpg
Sevb32 said:
Any plans on having the Tauntaun blink before Han's says "Then I'll see you in hell."
I've got my fingers crossed for one at this point too.
What's already been done to Luke's one near the beginning has improved things a lot.
Thanks for doing that. :)
It's always interesting to have these comparison shots.
Your 'zoom-in' concept was neat vaderios, but I reckon the (now improved) existing shot establishes a better impact of the 'vast scale' of the vegetation that Luke has landed in, as you can still make out a clearer sense of the surrounding details in it.
Adywan has mentioned that he is planning on altering the 'angle' of the tiny X-Wing in the shot still, and it will be good to get some consistency with the live-action X-Wing in the shots that follow....since I used to always think that we were seeing the rear of the X-Wing in this shot due to it's wing 'angle', and thought that the 'front lights' seen on the 'prop' had been badly placed here....
It will be good to see this clarified either way.
vaderios said:
Ady since Leia points the executor in the upper section of the cockpit then stylistically and only, the shot should change from perspective POV. Besides that is a wide shot. we should see Leia and chewie :)
-Angel
This was a really good spot vaderios, as Leia does point up at quite an acute angle in the preceding shot. Your solution looks great, especially the kind of 'angle' you've used for the Executor in your version.
If Adywan wants to keep this cockpit shot as it is (which veers sharply a moment later, showing a blurred starfield and Executor in the distance), I'd like him to consider placing the Executor higher up in the frame at this point.
Ghost said:
So I really hope that Adywan considers adding a 'burn/singe mark' to this shot, roughly where you've placed your top one.
He will be adding scorch marks on the walls in the duel. He said so in his ESB R change list.
Yes, but I'm hoping it will be a single one for the reasons I've given.
vaderios said:
Ady: something you may want to keep in mind with this scene: the light source seems to be on the far right, going by the lighting and shadows on the Executor and its escort. If that is the case, the underside of Needa's SD should be pretty dark, as opposed to brightly lit, which would suggest a light source underneath.
Let me think about it....
Very quick try this:
-Angel
And this was another nicely done mock-up vaderios.
That was a good call by Monroville on the underside lighting of the overhead Stardestroyer. I really think that darkening the underside of the Stardestroyer here would look better, as you've shown in your example....even if the 'lights' can't be done.
I'm not sure where your shuttle was coming out from, but am curious to see if Adywan's one eventually exits from the smaller opening nearer the front of the Stardestroyer (as it does in ROTJ), or if it comes out of the bigger opening as Needa's current shuttle does.
-Angel
vaderios, this is a very nice touch you've shown here.
However, in the 'longshot' that comes immediately before this shot, it looks like Vader's first swipe at Luke as he comes out of this doorway is outwards , and his blade seems to hit roughly where the 'narrow gap' in the railing is seen. Vader then takes another swipe at Luke (who ducks), and that seems to be only time the blade hits the doorway exterior.
So I really hope that Adywan considers adding a 'burn/singe mark' to this shot, roughly where you've placed your top one, and perhaps adds something to the railing too.
Some great new things revealed in those recent 'facebook' preview shots! It's neat to see that Adywan has actually moved Luke's legs closer together so they now tie-in with the position of his 'iced-up' feet.
And I'm also really pleased to see that the lightsaber hilt is going to be buried in a more consistent way during the scene's various shots of it than it currently is!
While minor, these were always annoying 'continuity issues' until now.
And having Yoda (and his blue sack beside him) actually positioned ON the log now immediately after getting off Luke's back, is another terrific fix. No adding or removing of any shots in that sequence needed after all then! Perfect. :)
HAPPY HALLOWEEN all! :)
And here's the best recent article on Cameron that I've come across, that gives some interesting insights - http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/10/26/091026fa_fact_goodyear/?currentPager=all
Thanks xhonsi, and I've amended it now.
Well, the new, longer theatrical trailer for 'AVATAR' is finally here....
Forget the teaser, and feel the might - http://www.avatarmovie.com/
And here's the best recent article on Cameron that I've come across, that gives some interesting insights - http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/10/26/091026fa_fact_goodyear/?currentPager=all
Just wanted to add to the appreciation for the latest helmet fix!
It was one thing to see a nicely-done, static 'mock-up' of that idea, but it's incredible to know that it's actually been done in the moving footage now. Marvellous stuff.
As far as new 'skies and mountains' go, every shot previewed so far that has had new backgrounds added, have looked wonderful. The 'Transport taking off' shot is one whose background I definately hope is enhanced too. As far as it's colour, I reckon vaderios isn't too far off the mark with his version, considering the look of finished shots in the trailer. Just look at the 'Ion Cannon' screenshot on page one to see just how 'white' the Hoth scenes are thankfully going to look now!
Another very nice piece of work there vaderios! I've been looking forward to Adywan's improved background to this shot to really open the scope of it.
Your version brings up something - I see you've added a couple of extra 'Transports', but I always thought the one in the shot was meant to be the last one to leave....
The other Transports that were evacuating Hoth would have been leaving throughout the AT-AT ground battle scenes which have gone on for a while now by this stage of the movie, and C3PO says "Your Highness, we must take this last transport...it's our only hope'' a few scenes before this shot.
On the other hand, Leia then agrees with Han to leave, saying "Give the evacuation code signal....and get to your transports" to the operators still in the control room with her.
On top of this, when Han and Leia's exit is blocked by a tunnel collapse as they try to leave, Han radios "Transport, this is Solo....better take off, I can't get her to you. l'll get her out on the Falcon". This seems that he's referring to just a single one that's left....although he could just be in contact with a particular one that he'd organised to get her onto, and although there may be others left, they're all in the same spot he knows he can't get to now....
So things seem a bit inconclusive. Perhaps either the "last" in C3PO's line could be removed, or the 's' in Leia's "Transports" could be instead, to clarify whether there's only one left or not at this point?
Your ideas for 'shocks' and a 'hypnotic ray' sound quite neat too Bingowings, and it's just a pity we never got a better 'angle' of the Probe's red light underneath, as per the 2 uppermost pics in my previous post.
As far as the 'needle' being in an awkward place to jab her properly....I like to imagine that adywan's 'electro-needle' is capable of actually shooting out short, rapid bursts of 'electrical discharges' towards the Princess...so the 'Probe' doesn't need to be up close to her... (Not enough to damage her too much, but just enough to make her 'more 'responsive to questioning'. Not that it worked anyway, as unknown to us at the point when Star Wars originally came out...she was to prove to be pretty strong with the 'Force' in her own right eventually)
Here's a little something I've been meaning to show here for a while now -
Firstly, I've always loved the 'Torture Droid/Interrogation Droid/Mind Probe' prop design, with it's 'Vader-like' colour-scheme and fiendish-looking attachments. But in addition to the mainly 'head-on' approach that we see in the movie, I'd have liked to have seen slightly more of it's proportions from a different angle too. (I don't really count when it first turns into the doorway in the distance, or the equally brief rear view of it as the doorway shuts, as they don't reveal very much)
What was filmed is fine of course, but due to it's interesting features I'd have liked to have seen another close, alternative view of it too, perhaps along the lines of any of these angles seen here -
Anyway, for his 'Revisited' version, adywan came up with the neat concept of turning the prop's 'standard syringe' into an 'electro-needle' instead, as seen in the comparison here -
While I reckon the original 'sharp' look of the 'standard syringe' was already an effective threat in the scene, I happen to REALLY like the concept of the 'electro-needle' too, and it makes for a neat enhancement!
However, adywan has stated that he would possibly tweak it differently in hindsight. So with that in mind (and with many thanks to doubleofive for kindly supplying the 'mock-ups' I asked for), here's a couple of possibilities I'd have liked to see -
I always thought that the original prop-makers could have painted the white stem of the 'syringe' BLACK....so that it looked less of an 'off-the-shelf' item, and tied-in more 'solidly' as a section the black main body of the Probe itself. However, at least adywan has erased the lettering/numbers off it now, which helps sell his 'electro-needle' effect better.
Something else that I'd have liked to have seen done originally, as an extra additional threat incorporated into the shot...would have been for the vertical part of the silver attachment on it's side to have 'come to life' in some way as it heads towards us...possibly snapping downwards suddenly, or suddenly extend into a very sharp 'blade' (complete with a subtle sound effect!), just at the point before it disappears offscreen on the left of the frame...
...before we then 'zoom-in' slowly towards the 'electro-needle' in 'close-up'...except I'd have extended it slightly more, and done it in a 'Sith-like' RED for more of a hot, 'dangerous' effect...
adywan said:
This shot has already been fixed :)
that has been fixed also :)
The main problem with the original matte shot is that it doesn't match either the previous or following shots. As Luke is crashing through the trees its obvious just how foggy this place is and after this shot we see it is very foggy. So what really needs doing to that shot is add the dense fog
Heh, that's great to know about those Yoda shots, and it'll be interesting to see just how you actually did them.
Also - of course!, just add MORE fog, lol. Shots improved by just doing that. Perfect! :)
Ric Olie said:
Ric Olie's Status: Observing The Thread!
Well since there's a few possible things outstanding that I'd like to go into over the next few weeks, please do! :)
And yeah guys, it's just a habit of 'emphasis' I seem to have gotten into, lol. :)
