ImperialFighter

Another very nice piece of work there vaderios!  I've been looking forward to Adywan's improved background to this shot to really open the scope of it.

Your version brings up something -  I see you've added a couple of extra 'Transports', but I always thought the one in the shot was meant to be the last one to leave....

The other Transports that were evacuating Hoth would have been leaving throughout the AT-AT ground battle scenes which have gone on for a while now by this stage of the movie, and C3PO says "Your Highness, we must take this last transport...it's our only hope'' a few scenes before this shot.

On the other hand, Leia then agrees with Han to leave, saying "Give the evacuation code signal....and get to your transports" to the operators still in the control room with her.

On top of this, when Han and Leia's exit is blocked by a tunnel collapse as they try to leave, Han radios "Transport, this is Solo....better take off, I can't get her to you.  l'll get her out on the Falcon".  This seems that he's referring to just a single one that's left....although he could just be in contact with a particular one that he'd organised to get her onto, and although there may be others left, they're all in the same spot he knows he can't get to now....

So things seem a bit inconclusive.  Perhaps either the "last" in C3PO's line could be removed, or the 's' in Leia's "Transports" could be instead, to clarify whether there's only one left or not at this point? 

Your ideas for 'shocks' and a 'hypnotic ray' sound quite neat too Bingowings, and it's just a pity we never got a better 'angle' of the Probe's red light underneath, as per the 2 uppermost pics in my previous post.

As far as the 'needle' being in an awkward place to jab her properly....I like to imagine that adywan's 'electro-needle' is capable of actually shooting out short, rapid bursts of 'electrical discharges' towards the Princess...so the 'Probe' doesn't need to be up close to her...  (Not enough to damage her too much, but just enough to make her 'more 'responsive to questioning'.  Not that it worked anyway, as unknown to us at the point when Star Wars originally came out...she was to prove to be pretty strong with the 'Force' in her own right eventually)

Here's a little something I've been meaning to show here for a while now -

Firstly, I've always loved the 'Torture Droid/Interrogation Droid/Mind Probe' prop design, with it's 'Vader-like' colour-scheme and fiendish-looking attachments.  But in addition to the mainly 'head-on' approach that we see in the movie, I'd have liked to have seen slightly more of it's proportions from a different angle too.  (I don't really count when it first turns into the doorway in the distance, or the equally brief rear view of it as the doorway shuts, as they don't reveal very much)

What was filmed is fine of course, but due to it's interesting features I'd have liked to have seen another close, alternative view of it too, perhaps along the lines of any of these angles seen here - 

Anyway, for his 'Revisited' version, adywan came up with the neat concept of turning the prop's 'standard syringe' into an 'electro-needle' instead, as seen in the comparison here -

While I reckon the original 'sharp' look of the 'standard syringe' was already an effective threat in the scene, I happen to REALLY like the concept of the 'electro-needle' too, and it makes for a neat enhancement! 

However, adywan has stated that he would possibly tweak it differently in hindsight.  So with that in mind (and with many thanks to doubleofive for kindly supplying the 'mock-ups' I asked for), here's a couple of possibilities I'd have liked to see -

I always thought that the original prop-makers could have painted the white stem of the 'syringe' BLACK....so that it looked less of an 'off-the-shelf' item, and tied-in more 'solidly' as a section the black main body of the Probe itself.  However, at least adywan has erased the lettering/numbers off it now, which helps sell his 'electro-needle' effect better.

Something else that I'd have liked to have seen done originally, as an extra additional threat incorporated into the shot...would have been for the vertical part of the silver attachment on it's side to have 'come to life' in some way as it heads towards us...possibly snapping downwards suddenly, or suddenly extend into a very sharp 'blade' (complete with a subtle sound effect!), just at the point before it disappears offscreen on the left of the frame...

 ...before we then 'zoom-in' slowly towards the 'electro-needle' in 'close-up'...except I'd have extended it slightly more, and done it in a 'Sith-like' RED for more of a hot, 'dangerous' effect...

 

adywan said:

This shot has already been fixed :)

that has been fixed also :)

 

The main problem with the original matte shot is that it doesn't match either the previous or following shots. As Luke is crashing through the trees its obvious just how foggy this place is and after this shot we see it is very foggy. So what really needs doing to that shot is add the dense fog

Heh, that's great to know about those Yoda shots, and it'll be interesting to see just how you actually did them.

Also -  of course!, just add MORE fog, lol.  Shots improved by just doing that.  Perfect!  :)

Ric Olie said:

Ric Olie's Status: Observing The Thread!

Well since there's a few possible things outstanding that I'd like to go into over the next few weeks, please do!  :)

And yeah guys, it's just a habit of 'emphasis' I seem to have gotten into, lol.  :)

Monroville said:

 

 

corellian77 said:

Here's a sample clip of how the scene with Yoda, just before Luke enters the tree, could be re-edited so as to allow Yoda more time to move from the ground to the fallen tree stump.

It's pretty rough, but it conveys the general idea.  My apologies for the screwed-up aspect ratio as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXExUBSalk

I would still cut out the scene of Yoda from 0:31 to 0:33 and show Yoda AFTER Luke says "There's something not right here".  That would definitely give Yoda the time to situate himself.  As it stands now, it still comes across as Yoda just teleported onto the log out of the bag. 

Heh, I just came back on here a moment ago to also suggest this SAME possible alternative to the one of perhaps adding in a brief RE-USED 'close-up' of R2 immediately before the 'jarring' Yoda 'atop the log' shot....but I see you've beaten me to it Monroville!  :)

I agree that actually REMOVING the 'jarring' shot of Yoda 'atop the log' ALTOGETHER instead, and cutting directly from Luke taking his tunic off the root branch, straight to the 'close-up' of him putting it on while saying his line....would be just as good an alternative.

If Adywan decides to do it this way instead, and remove this particular 'jarring' shot of Yoda from the scene altogether, then it won't be any big loss whatsoever, as the next shot of Yoda in the movie (which currently comes immediately after the 'close-up' of Luke anyway) would work equally well as the first reveal of him 'atop the log', except he starts to 'lower his gaze' rather than starts to 'look upwards'.  (of course, these are basically interchangeable shots of Yoda anyway, and Adywan could use EITHER version that he prefers to be the one that comes immediately after the 'close-up' of Luke now, but before we then cut to Luke again, as he says "I feel cold")

So I really like this option too Monroville, and hopefully there's something that will be done to amend things as they currently stand now.

TV's Frink said:

 

Off topic I know, but cap suggested watching in the order 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6.  Interesting idea which would solve that and some other problems.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Seeing-the-Saga-in-order/post/379705/#TopicPost379705

Interesting indeed, but I'd rather have been able to introduce any 'newbies' to the *cough* superior *cough trilogy in it's exact order, before they went on to watch those 'earlier' events....without them complaining they'd rather see the 'first' 3 movies first, that they've noticed there seems to be....  ;)

ImperialFighter said:

corellian77 said:

Here's a sample clip of how the scene with Yoda, just before Luke enters the tree, could be re-edited so as to allow Yoda more time to move from the ground to the fallen tree stump.

It's pretty rough, but it conveys the general idea.  My apologies for the screwed-up aspect ratio as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXExUBSalk

 

Of course!!  That's terrific corellian77, and I think that's a great solution....which actually adds a little 'something'.

It was so good to see that scene play out without being jarring!  If Adywan ends up doing something like that, then I'd be more than happy.  It certainly gets my vote.

Nice one.  :)

corellian77, while I'd take your version over the current 'jarring' one of  Yoda 'suddenly atop the log' anyday of the week....I just wonder if the new direct cut you've made between the 'close-up' of Luke beginning to take the sack off his back, to the one where he's then seen having placed Yoda on the ground....is itself just a little 'jarring'?  (Although not anywhere as 'jarring' as the current scene of course!)

The shot of R2 that you've now moved to a little later in your scene was what was used to make the transition between the above shots smoother of course....so if Adywan does agree with your concept of re-arranging shots to show just a little bit more time between the transition of Yoda 'on the ground' and then 'atop the log' suddenly....but wants to keep that particular 'flow' of shots and sound effects as it is at that point, then here's another variation that might be a possibility that would also work well to smooth things -

1.  Keep the shot of R2 where it currently is in the movie, but when the following shot of 'Luke placing Yoda on ground then eventually taking his tunic off root branch' ends....

2.  ....cut instead to R2 again by using a RE-USE of the brief R2 'close-up' that is seen approx. 3 mins. later near the very end of the whole 'Luke confronting Vader in cave' sequence.... 

3.  ....then cut to the shot of 'Yoda atop log' at this point, before continuing on as normal.

Even if this RE-USE was placed here, I reckon it would be far enough away (approx. 3 mins.) from the other one at the end of the whole sequence for it to not be 'jarring', as there is plenty of action in-between them both.

In addition, Adywan could alter the look of the 'flashing' red/blue light a little, and also alter any 'whistles' that R2 makes in the RE-USED shot, which would help to differentiate them from each other.

Just throwing out an alternative, as I'd like to see something done here.  :)

You know, that kinda reminds me about another thing that the prequels ended up blowing -  the 'mysterious' and 'whimsical' first appearance of Yoda to moviegoers at that time....  This is lost for anyone new to the saga now, if they feel they have to watch them in numbered 'order', as Yoda's 'first' appearance is anything but now.  And that's even before we mention his actual new 'look' in TPM, as it currently stands!

That's one of the reasons why I kinda wish SW:R hadn't been numbered, and that the scroll had just started after the 'STAR WARS' logo.  Personally, I wish for reasons like that, that there were no 'numbers' on any of Adywan's edits, lol.   

vaderios, I'm loving the difference your latest 'Dagobah' shot makes too, where the 'matte' background on the current shots are concerned.  Changing the 'distant' background part of those shots to ones taken from another 'built' section looks great!

Am I right in thinking you've taken the 'distant built section' from the 'Tiny Yoda beckoning Luke to follow him' shot?

corellian77 said:

Here's a sample clip of how the scene with Yoda, just before Luke enters the tree, could be re-edited so as to allow Yoda more time to move from the ground to the fallen tree stump.

It's pretty rough, but it conveys the general idea.  My apologies for the screwed-up aspect ratio as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXExUBSalk

Of course!!  That's terrific corellian77, and I think that's a great solution....which actually adds a little 'something'.

It was so good to see that scene play out without being jarring!  If Adywan ends up doing something like that, then I'd be more than happy.  It certainly gets my vote.

Nice one.  :)

adywan said:

ok, well no real updates but things are going really well on the CG front. I'm taking a break from the edit and building stuff because we've got a halloween party next week so i need to get everything ready for that. Here's a couple of pics of the models i have made for it. All this cost less than £20 altogether to make. It's all made from cardboard, toilet paper and PVA glue, with some gel blood.

  

If only you could see to the right of the picture. I had to quickly crop it because you could see the Wampa.

Yeah....if only, lol!

Last one from me for now, as I need to get some sleep tonight!! 

Adywan -  a little off-topic, but me and the missus are big 'Halloween' fans also, and it's always an excuse for yet another party here with some of our boozing buddies after our brats and their mates have been attended to.  I'm on a break this week, so will hopefully get a chance to knock up something cheap n' cheeful for my 2 boys, to add to the atmosphere too, over the next couple of days....   :)

Anyway, I remember coming across some previous work of yours in photos that were posted somewhere, and have no doubt that your eventual Wampa will end up looking great for the purposes of your edit.  I seem to recall you previously cobbled together a neat full-size 'E.T' and 'Zombie' shop display, and would really like to see them again if you're able to show any photos of them here sometime? 

Okay, the main reason for this post was to mention my 2 favourite 'Halloween'-related sites at the moment.  Both are great for sheer inspiration! -

1.  www.extremepumpkins.com   (lol, check out some of the previous winning entries too!)

2.  www.bobburnshollywoodhalloween.com   (now THIS guy loved Halloween!  Some terrific material here)

 Carry on everyone.

vaderios said:

 

Also that light rays appears in the next shots so its handy and adds depth and variation.

 

At least now in a way you can spot yoda :P

 Hmmm, I don't really see the shots that follow it, as having lots of 'brightness' coming through the treeline at this point either.  I just see more 'misty' gloom, lol.

But who knows, perhaps Adywan will be adding more obvious 'shafts of light' to lots of these shots, to 'open' things up, for all I know. 

And yes, I noticed your 'lit-up' Yoda.  :)  But is he actually in the right spot at this point??  That's for another day though. 

Oh, and I've come across an interesting wrong-way-round, 'flipped' shot today that I've never noticed before, but I want to go into that another day too.  I'm wondering how many here didn't notice this one either?.... 

vaderios -  just noticed your amazing new version.  Now that's EXACTLY the kind of 'brightness' I'd love to see.  That shot is surely shot on Dagobah itself now!  Excellent look there, that's terrific work.  :)

vaderios said:

Well with my version you get more visible detail, better mood, sense of scale( jungle always wins) and light behavior.

 

-Angel

Yet another interesting speculation here vaderios.  You sure are imaginative when it comes to playing about with 'lighting' possibilities in your shots, and your latest Cloud City one looks very nice indeed. 

One of the things I'm most looking forward to, is to see Adywan's various SKIES/CLOUD improvements for 'ESB:R'....because from what we've been shown so far, they're going to make a huge difference overall.  :)

Back to Dagobah -

This particular shot above, was always a favourite of mine in the Dagobah scenes, especially when combined with the magical score that builds at this point.  Of course, it's been ruined in the 2004 release due to the dreadful re-colouration....which is a pity, as I was pleased to see the big improvements to the dated and obvious matte 'joins' that were seen in the GOUT, and the fact that a very subtle shadow had been added under the X-Wing too.

The point I want to suggest, is that I reckon the 're-colouration' on the 2004 version of this particular shot is now SO poor, and dark when compared to how the GOUT's richer colour looked....that I'm sure that when Adywan just 'colour corrects' it to his usual standards, that it will come to life a little more, and look far better than it currently does....and will fit in fine with the OVERALL, atmosperic, 'gloom factor' that the rest of the MIST-shrouded, 'studio-bound' shots generate.  The background and 'mist' effect also comes across better in 'motion'.

Your shot looks nice of course, but is it too 'brightly'-lit when seen in the context of the rest of the shots that come before and after it in the movie?  I just don't think the whole 'feel' of the other Dagobah shots taken as a whole, allow for so much 'brightness' as you've shown in your 'opened up' example here.  I prefer the 'gloomy', densely-packed treeline/root system that seems to make up Dagobah, as shown in the background of the 'wider, more open' views such as this one and when Luke has just crashed. 

Hopefully, the eventual 'colour corrected' 2004 shot will end up looking up looking a little 'brighter' than it currently does now....but I reckon your higher 'brightness' level would be jarring, compared to the rest of the very 'misty' feel that is there in all the other shots.  Although the look of the 'mist' that is seen in the distance of these 2004 and GOUT shots seem to be different too....the 'mist effects' in both of them have a murky, 'hanging in the air' appearance to them. 

So the 'layout' of the 'mist'-shrouded 2004 replacement background still matches well with the 'feel' of the other shots overall, I'd say....but will look even better in it's 'colour corrected' form. 

correllian77 -  you mean he didn't have a 'sudden burst' of 'energy' at that point, after all?....

Neat, I'll look forward to your solution then.  :)

corellian77 said:

However, the "inconsistency" of Yoda moving from the ground to the rock is a bit more of a bother to be honest... although I'm not sure what could be done to "fix" that.  I guess one could simply assume he moved between scenes.

Just to say, that I hope to have a few thoughts about that very point sometime, now that it's been raised again.  :)

In fact there are a couple of other things that I hope to go into sometime soon to do with that shot and others that are 'interlinked' to that very spot (that Adywan should thankfully be able to tweak reasonably easily, if I'm right about them)....but I'll need to organise the screenshots sometime.

However, at the moment, I'm actually already in the middle of working poor doubleofive to the bone with several other things that I'm hoping to put to Adywan shortly.  So this one will have to wait, but I'll get round to letting doubleofive know what I need at some point, when I get the time.

vaderios said:

Ady I got one more error if you dont know it already.

Anyways

 I dont mind that yoda actually sits in the rock in the next shot(less is more) but at least add the blue bag in the previous shot ;)

 

-Angel

Yeah, this is a tricky one due to the 'brief' timing involved between the shots.  Personally, I can live with it, and won't be too bothered if Adywan has to leave things as they are....because thanks to the Prequels (ironically), I've been able to account for it like this to myself since then, lol -

The thing is, although Yoda is still inside the blue sack when Luke puts him down at that point during the start of that shot shown in your left-hand screenshot....the 'camera' then continues to 'pan around' to the RIGHT, away from Yoda, as it follows Luke coming towards us to retrieve his tunic (seen in 'close-up' on the right-hand side of your shot) that's hanging on the tree root.  

This needs to be seen in 'motion' of course....but due to this 'pan away' from Yoda, he ends up offscreen for approx. 2 seconds....which, given his amazing Prequel-demonstrated 'agility', means it isn't too much of a leap for me to 'imagine' that the little frog has just very speedily hopped out of the sack and onto the top log, taking his sack with him....during this 2 'offscreen' seconds before we cut to the next shot! 

I know he's elderly and all that, but since he can still levitate heavy X-wings, I reckon the little guy can therefore still manage the odd briefest spurt of 'force-speed' too....considering he's been carried around by Luke all day at this point....  :)

Perhaps if Adywan likes this idea enough, he can even add a 'subtle movement' to a portion of the open sack at the very start of the shot? 

This would help to really 'sell' the impression that Yoda's only just finished placing the sack down beside him (within the last 2 seconds offscreen), to indicate the merest moment that it is just finishing to 'settle down'....since he took up his new position moments ago during the very end of the preceding shot.

Well, I'm tryin' here.  ;)

Ghost said:

What do you guys think about the rumors that were posted up the page?

Well, the stuff about a possible 3 new movies is unlikely in the extreme, and seems to have been from an 'unsubstantiated' source....but there's always that huge 'cash-grab' dangling out there....so you never know one day....

Lucas still plans to eventually 'dimensionalize' his saga sometime though, but don't hold your breath, as he'll wait until more 3D-enabled screens are established, so he can make more money ....er, make a bigger splash with them.  The good news is, that those who have seen the 3D test of the opening scene of STAR WARS:ANH have raved about how great it turned out!

But I guess here would be a better place to add any comments on all that -  http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/3D-Star-Wars-for-the-masses-anytime-soon/topic/10070/

There's been a recent disturbance in the force about this it seems....

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1qPLMlz01yQ/St-REFUmHEI/AAAAAAAADlM/Iap03f0l5qw/s1600-h/ScreenHunter_06+Oct.+21+19.53.jpg

Here's some rumblings about it all (just scroll down a little).... -

http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/

Yup, that's masterful work.

It's frightening how much the SE releases deviated from the wonderfully rich colours that were originally there.  Just one of too many supposedly 'creative choices' that were a turn for the worse on those unfortunately.

There are a couple of other seminal movies I can think of that have also had their original vibrant natural colouration messed about with for the worse these days, and it's a trend I deplore.  

So it's going to be great to see Yoda and his environment back closer to their original hues in this latest 'Revisited'.  

Somethings heading back to the big screen....

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1qPLMlz01yQ/St-REFUmHEI/AAAAAAAADlM/Iap03f0l5qw/s1600-h/ScreenHunter_06+Oct.+21+19.53.jpg

....and some other interesting possibilities here -  http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/

Ghost said:

Now the question is, Will there be more changes and added scenes.

....and will everything still be BLUE?

There's something rumbling overhead in rumourland it seems....

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1qPLMlz01yQ/St-REFUmHEI/AAAAAAAADlM/Iap03f0l5qw/s1600-h/ScreenHunter_06+Oct.+21+19.53.jpg

But there's something else that's being suggested here too (just scroll down a little) -  http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/

Count me down as truly lovin' the look of the 'Revisited' colouration throughout, compared to the SE version....especially the Death Star interiors.

I mourned the loss of the wonderful original colouration of 'SW:ANH' (as still seen on the eventual lacklustre GOUT DVD release) when I saw the SE release.  I was expecting the colour on the long-awaited DVD release of 'SW:ANH' to look fabulous, given the 'clean-up' efforts it was getting....but instead 'they'd' ruined it!

Considering that Adywan had to use the SE release as the starting point, I still find it amazing what he ended up managing to do with the colour.  I can hardly bear to look at the SE anymore after his efforts.

And I only need to look at the final trailer for 'ESB:Revisited' to know that it's going to be a revelation colour-wise too.  Those Executor interiors already look like they're going to have that 'Revisited' look that the Death Star interior colour had in the first one....in other words...far superior.  I'm sure glad he also darkened that Officer's jacket in doubleofive's comparison shots back there, to help with the continuity at that point...

Sure, it's a different 'look' to those exact original GOUT colours, but the 'Adywan-ised' look is mighty appealing in itself to these eyes, I've got to say....and at times I reckon I prefer it!  :)

I don't hold out much hope for those eventual Blu-rays though....

Bingowings said:

I commented on that droid because it was smack in the middle of the floor, if it was powered down you'd think it would find a spot out of the way to shut down.

I reckon some of these bugger's 'systems' are being affected by the coldness at this base.

Pah, shoddy workmanship if you ask me....or they were sourced from a Jawa....