ImperialFighter

Ah, a soundtrack thread.  Nice one FF, as I happen to be a big fan of movie music in general.  I've a nice collection of scores, but this reminds me that there's plenty more I'd still like to get a hold of!  So much good stuff over the years.

Anyway, although Michael Giacchino's 'Star Trek' (2009) has gotten a (limited) proper expanded release now, the track that I really wanted an official release of since I first heard it, is the epic trailer music by Two Steps From Hell called 'Freedom Fighters' - http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=8ETDE0VGJY4&feature=related

Unfortunately, that's not available on the soundtrack, of course.  However, you gotta love YouTube, as I've just come across info. there that TSFH have actually released a 'download album' called 'Invincible' that features this track amongst many more of their excellent pieces.  So count me happy!

While I'll always link this awesome track with the 'Star Trek' movie, I thought it worked pretty well with this ongoing (and extensive) edit I came across too.  See what you think - http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=lPgUeV5Hx_M

Trailer music from other sources such as Immediate Music is also available nowadays, and some of it is terrific.

By the way, Two Steps From Hell also did the track called 'Down With The Enterprise' that featured in another 'Star Trek' trailer at the time, but it doesn't seem to be on their Invincible 'download album' I see.  Does anyone happen to know if there is an official release of it by them on another album?

Bingowings said:

It would be interesting to see how much of this is a new universe, has anything changed?

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the multi-coloured Daleks are re-designed/re-coloured again for the next season!

But I just hope the makers don't get carried away again...

Personally, I'd rather the Daleks went back to being more along these lines again.  All of them black and sinister -

Bring the 'real' ones back for the Christmas special!  Who do I write? ;)

HotRod said:

Fezzes are cool!

Loved those crazy Doc Who 'fez' antics!  Especially when it got shot!  :)

Bingowings - Glad you showed that bigger version of your profile pic.  I hadn't noticed that!  Inspired.  And Jabba might suit one too.  Any chance of a version with a slightly bigger one on him too, cocked at an angle?

Guess they could become honourary 'Sons Of The Desert'...

Ripplin said:

Have you seen this page? http://www.fanedit.info/jdown.html

I'd still like to submit a step-by-step guide there, because as soon as I really figured out the program, I realized how very simple it is, and I think the guide could be improved to reflect that simplicity.

If you think you can simplify things, that would be a great help to many in future I reckon.  An easier step-by-step guide would definately be worthwhile for you to bring up to them Ripplin.

Since Boon unfortunately decided he had to relinquish running the site, the new team that's recently taken charge will probably welcome any suggestions for improvements at this point.

Post deleted, move along.

TV's Frink said:

^^Hey IF, if you could post the entire movie frame by frame, we could watch it with our click wheels.  Now who was it that made that flip book comment?

Yeah TVF, I reckon that's the way this person should layed out this stuff, lol. -  http://disparue.org/gallery/5/movies/sw/5/

Just wanted to show that Luke is glancing to his left, before we cut back to him beginning to get up.  Will be interested to see if anyone has a solution for adywan to consider.

ImperialFighter said:

....okay then, here's the shot of Yoda that is 'flipped'....it seems to just be this one, and it's where he gets up after falling during Luke's training....

....I've included the shots of Luke to put it in context...but I'd personally prefer for this Yoda shot to be re-'flipped' too, as it will still seem that he is somewhere to the side of where Luke is glancing....  We soon get used to re-'flipped' shots anyway.

I'll be covering a lot more to do with certain 'Dagobah' stuff when I get the chance.

Has it really been 3 months since I asked about this one?  I started to draft up something with screenshots concerning various 'Dagobah' issues that caught my eye (including the 'Yoda positioning' brought up by Isley just now), but ongoing family distractions have gotten in the the way of finishing it all off yet.  I'll get back onto it as soon as I can though.  :)

Interesting to see that you're still thinking about what to replace the 'flipped' Yoda shot with adywan, since you decided to move it from here completely.  Althought we've been used to seeing 'Yoda getting up' at this point, I'll show a couple of alternatives that might work okay instead, to see what you think.   

vaderios said:

Holy Potato! You did use my smoke concept mockup i did long time ago :D :D :D

wow :D

Thanks

Meant to say that this addition looks terrific too coming out of the 'Carbon Chamber' bubble, and was a very good idea vaderios.

Just a little thought on this adywan - while I can imagine an equally large 'bubble' unseen on the other side of the 'Vane'/'Pod' to make up up the whole 'Carbon Chamber', I wonder if there should be a hint of 'steam'/'smoke' coming up from the other side subtly too, to sell that idea?  Or are vertical 'stacks' on just one side enough?

vaderios said:

I never thought it would be so different from the original/previous one :D

WOW!  Neither did I. (and thanks for that handy comparison vaderios)

The new 'squater'-looking shape is great and the shorter-look of the 'long extending arm' now ties-in better with when the structure is seen from below during Luke's fall.  In addition to all the other tweaks, it's so neat to see that extra bottom light added in, as well as the outer edge 'tapering thicker' towards the bottom.  And the larger 'bubble' at the top of the 'Vane'/'Pod' definately better sells the possibility of the 'Carbon Chamber' being located there now.

The finished shot is a complete success adywan, and thanks for showing it.  :)

Ouch, I was going to point that out, but you beat me to it in your inimitable way TV's Frink, lol.

Oh, and welcome and enjoy SEEDA.

Rogue Leader said:

 

The volcano in Iceland is wreaking havoc on courier flight plans... Our gear from Ady has been delayed. =(

And we thought 'Star Wars:R' had been a problematic production for adywan!  Even George didn't have to cope with volcanoes....  (Well, until 'Sith' anyway)

After the rollercoaster of the 'Empire:R' thread, I wonder if it's asteroids next during 'Jedi:R'....

vaderios said:

That is being fixed :D

Thanks.  Terric to know.  Some amazing subtle fixes being done on this thing. 

Really liked your recent 'Leia's apartment' ideas by the way vaderios.

Meant to say that it was disconcerting to hear of your recent problems adywan, and I echo those who hoped you'd mention this to your doctor.  I guess you are normally glued to a monitor screen for hours on end at a time. 

I know that for health and safety reasons that my son's computer course recommend that you look away from staring at the screen for a few moments every 15 mins. or so, to let your eyes adjust and re-focus properly again.  Say, look into the distance at something else for a few moments, before returning to the screen again.  They also recommend that you take a complete break away from the screen every hour or so, for a few minutes.

I've no idea if adywan's recent problems are related to this or not, but I know I try to do this too now for the sake of my eyes and any possible headaches.  It's not easy to remember in daily, busy usage, but I've got a 'post-it' reminder stuck to my monitor now, and it might be something that others here might care to bear in mind too.

adywan said:

well i wanted to build a model set mainly because i wanted to be able to do the idea i had of the longer sweeping shot that combines the matte and the following shot of luke. But if it isn't possible to pull that off then i would probably have to do something similar to DE's shot. I wouldn't be using your shot though DE, i would be doing my own version from scratch.

Having loved Darth Editous's version, it was really neat to see your own 'test' preview of the 'zoom-in' towards the 'Vane'/'Pod' adywan.  Like DE's, it gives the original matte shot a real sense of life now, and your movement looks tremendous.

However, I'm wondering if your preview means that you aren't doing your original 'model set' idea anymore?  Or is that still a possibility?  Thing is, if you are now keeping the original matte of the 'Vane'/'Pod' as it is as shown in shot 1 below....does this mean that the current problems will have to remain?  Such as where it's outermost edge seems thinner all the way around in shot 1 compared to the 'gradually thickening' towards the base of it in shots 2, 3, and 4....along with the fact that the 'angled' bend of the front top-half as seen in shots 2 and 3 are different to shot 1 too.  These issues have been brought up before, but I'm just curious, although your previewed effect is certainly a huge improvement to the way the original shot looks -

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Also, although I remember mentioning ages ago that there were 3 sets of lights under the 'Vane'/'Pod' in shot 4 compared to only 2 sets under it in shot 1, I've also now realised that the 'long extending arm' in shot 4 is actually much shorter than it should be compared to when we first see it in shot 1 too.  Not sure if you are going to alter any of this much now or not adywan, but time will tell.

Okay, something I want to put my hands up to looking at wrongly in the past is to do with this scene below.  It concerns when Luke follows Vader from the 'Carbon Chamber'....  For a long time now I've been convinced that better continuity could be achieved by merely moving up the 'long extending arm' leading to the 'Vane'/'Pod' in shot 1....to better match the level of the the round window when Luke exits the tunnel....to give the impression that Luke and Vader had initially come along the 'long extending arm' from the direction of the 'Carbon Chamber' which was imagined to be located somewhere in the 'surrounding wall' of the 'Vane'/'Pod'....instead of inside the 'Vane'/'Pod' itself....

However, I just wanted to mention my error in that idea, as I've only just realised that the tunnel that Luke exits beside is on the wrong side of the round window in the interior set for this to work!  The tunnel exit is actually on the left-hand side of the frame in shots 10 and 11, when it would need to be on the other side for this idea to work properly with the outside views of the window as seen in the likes of shot 1, 2, and 3....  Oops.  No names mentioned, but I seem to remember I wasn't the only one at the time to think this was the obvious answer to solve the 'Carbon Chamber' size problems being situated inside the 'Vane'/'Pod', lol -

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....so I guess I'm actually okay now with the current footage as being a kind of 'jump ahead in time' to where Luke initially enters the tunnel as it stands now, which gives the impression that there was some sort of way down from the supposed 'Carbon Chamber' above, that led to the start of the short, lit-up tunnel route.

Seems everyone must have somehow reached into the 'Carbon Chamber' nearer the top of the 'Vane'/'Pod' by another way after all....

One last thing, in shots 10 and 11 the 'grate' that closed behind Luke in front of the tunnel exit in shots 7 and 8 seems to be missing now.... 

dphirschler said:

Forgive me if this has been addressed already.  I am still trying to catch up.  But as I looked at the stills in this post I noticed the "spokes" or support beams above in the skylight.  From the outside, it looks like there may be about 12-14 spokes.  But from inside, looks like 25-30 spokes.  Am I seeing that right, and is it worth fixing (or even possible)?

You'll be glad to know this one is being fixed too dphirschler.

Seems adywan is removing the outermost top structure when we first see Leia through the window, so the inside number of 'spokes' will seem fine now. 

Rogue Leader said:

never noticed it before but what's the blinking red light out side the door when the get it open to the landing pad on the ground? When the camera switches view the light is no longer there... what the hell is it?

Ah, you've brought up a little something I was intending to go into soon (with screenshots) to do with this particular aspect.

I reckon that pool of flashing red light that shows on the ground when R2 opens the doorway is supposed to be....the reflection of the flashing red light that is seen in-between the 2 white lights directly outside the top of the exterior of these doorways.

That's my take on it anyway, as the flashing red (middle) light above the doorways can be seen in some of the shots where we first see Lando greet our heroes, and when Leia and Chewie just miss Slave 1 taking off.  I was going to ask if adywan could subtly include it in-between the 2 white doorway lights on his very nicely-coloured shot of the Bespin building where the stormtroopers come out firing, as it still seems to be missing.

Thing is, the point where R2 initially opens the door leading to the Falcon seems to be the only shot where any kind of red flashing 'reflection' was introduced.  Although the small flashing middle red lights are unlikely to cast such an impressive 'reflection' on the ground, I kinda think it works okay 'stylistically' in that particular shot.  But it could be that I'm just used to seeing it over the years....  ;)

A fabulous clip adywan, and thanks for the 'comparison' version too.

Seeing more of your adjusted Bespin City/skies in motion was a real treat.  Interesting to see the latest changes you've made to the 'Falcon blasting off' shot compared to how it looked in your 'Empire:Revisited' final trailer, and so great to see the additional little touches such as C3PO's head not knocking the red light off the Falcon, or appearing behind Chewie before it cuts to R2 dragging him.

It was a real treat to get another preview before this is eventually released.  :)

vaderios said:

I even like to suggest ady can place your posts to the extras so we can all see the deep analysis from shot to shot and how ESB:R came out :

Lol, thing is, like everyone else, there's been a few things along the way in the past that I've misinterpreted wrongly.  And I'm looking forward to doubleofive's/adywan's comprehensive 'comparison shot' changes eventually anyway to show the differences. 

I was interested to read the recent views on the 'Falcon approaching Executor above Bespin' sequence.  My own problem with it is to do with the actual flightpath of the Falcon and TIEs mid-way through it, after they initially veer sharply away from the direction of the Executor.   You'd really need to watch the actual footage for a better idea of the movement and timing, but here's a rough idea of what I mean.  Put the kettle on, this may take a while -

1.  ....we start with the Falcon rapidly escaping into space from the direction of Bespin, being closely chased by 3 TIEs, as shown below....

....and we then immediately cut to the shot below as they go off into the distance....

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....and we then immediately cut to the shot below where Leia can now see that the Falcon is rapidly approaching a distant Stardestroyer up ahead in the general distance.  She gives a 'heads up' to Lando and Chewie who are pre-occupied with evading the TIEs and preparing for lightspeed....

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....and we then immediately cut to the shot below where the Executor is revealed....and the Falcon suddenly banks sharply to the right, away from the direction of it.... 

At the rate the Falcon seems to be travelling throughout the sequence, it would end up uncomfortably near the Executor in moments if they continued ahead at this point....although we can't tell how fast the Executor is moving forward at this point though....

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(While I agree that the 2 additional SE shots of 'Vader's shuttle landing on Executor bay' and then 'Vader stepping out' totally ruined the original flow and pace (and music) of the Falcon/TIEs chase from Bespin....I do really like the new juxtaposition of the 2 other SE 'shuttle approach' shots that were inserted in-between where the Falcon initially approaches Luke hanging underneath the city.  While I never had a problem with just eventually seeing Vader aboard the Executor after his 'Bring my shuttle!" line, the 2 brief shots (and music) of the 'shuttle approach' worked nicely for me (apart from the Executor's non-blue colour mismatch!), and made for some neat contrasting visuals at that point I thought.  However, since it seems that those 2 shots are going to be removed from 'Empire:Revisited' as well, then the distant shot of the Executor through the Falcon's cockpit windows reverts to being our first reminder since a long while that it's still around....and becomes the prominent 'UH, OH...' shot of it once again, which still works fine for me)

....and we then immediately cut to the shot below where the TIEs are continuing to chase closely after the Falcon....

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So far so good....but it's at this next point where the course of the Falcon and following TIEs in the current footage begins to be problematic for me....because when we then immediately cut to the shot below, it seems to show the Falcon is still veering to the right (judging by the movement of the starfield)....implying it's turning even further away from the Executor's position we saw earlier....

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....after shot 6 we then immediately cut away to a few seconds of reaction shots of Chewie, Leia, and Lando....

....and after that we then immediately cut to the shot below which shows the Falcon still continuing to veer to the right (according to the movement of the starfield)....giving the impression that it continued to do so during the previous shots when we focused on Chewie, Leia, and Lando....and is now still turning away even further away from Executor's position that we saw earlier....

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....after shot 7 we then immediately cut away to a few more seconds of reaction shots of Chewie, Leia, and Lando....

....and after that we then to cut the shot below of the Executor travelling along at an unknown speed....

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....and we then immediately cut to the shot below, where Vader is back aboard....

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....after shot 9 we then immediately cut away to a lot of various reaction shots of Vader and his crew aboard the Executor, and the crew aboard the Falcon....

....and after that we then cut to the shot below of the Falcon heading directly towards the Executor which is across it's flightpath now again!....

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Because approx. 1 minute 15 seconds has elapsed since the Falcon initially veered around to the right starting at shot 4, and ends up headed directly towards the Executor again at this point, it always seems to me that the Falcon must have continuously turned around to it's right (along with the following TIEs presumably) in the intervening period....and gone completely in a 'full-circle'! 

(Unfortunately, that screwy kind of Falcon/TIEs flightpath seems a little laughable, although that's always the impression that the existing footage gives me.  And although it's unknown how fast the Executor is going/speeding up/slowing down in shot 4 onwards....the possible alternative that it has somehow caught up with, overtaken, then managed to zip around immediately in front of the continuously right-turning Falcon by the time we get to shot 10, also seems improbable....  Another conclusion is that there was 1 minutes 15 seconds worth of wild 'zig-zagging' TIE 'herding' going on in-between shots 4 and 10, but that isn't really obvious in the existing footage either....)

....we then immediately cut to the shot below where Vader watches the Falcon nearing the Executor....

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....and then after some shots of Vader communicating 'telepathically' with Luke, we eventually see the Falcon and TIEs flying very close to the side of the Executor, before overtaking it. 

Although they seem to be travelling more rapidly than the Executor at the point they pass closely past the prow of it (just before the Falcon manages 'hyperspace'), I'm never sure if it's because the smaller ships are faster than the Executor, or if the Executor has ended up slowing down at this point before it tries to get a tractor-beam lock on the Falcon.... 

No matter, as I'm more interested in the Falcon/TIEs flightpath in-between shots 4 and 10.... 

Of course, judging by adywan's previous comments, he's planning some great alterations after shot 10 for his version, such as the unfinished ones seen below.  This was previewed a while back (but could be changed a little), and gives an idea of where he's going with it -

So I'm going to be very interested to see if ady keeps the same kind of footage in-between shots 4 and 10, or somehow adjusts things a little here too....

Unless there are more changes to this overall sequence being planned, there are a couple of things I'd personally like to see done to the existing footage.  I'd like to see shot 4 be given a slightly different view of the Falcon's 'cockpit' interior, as suggested by vaderios in this 'mock-up' he showed a while back -

....but only if the view is deemed incorrect, and that we should indeed have seen a portion of Lando, Leia, and Chewie in it from this angle.  If it's indeed a continuity flub, then I really like vaderios's notion of a 'nearer' view of the 'cockpit' at this point.  As far as any new positioning/direction/size of the distant Executor, I'm okay with the current one, although I would like something along the lines of what vaderios has shown.

My other amendment would be to perhaps have a quick TIE laserbolt passing close by on the left of the beginning of this 'cockpit' shot....to help sell the fact that the Falcon is being 'herded' towards the prow of the Executor....and why it has banked to the front of it....

In fact, a passing TIE laserbolt or 2 during shots 6 and 7 would perhaps help too, in conjunction with the whole sequence....

30 years already.  Seems like just yesterday....

adywan said:

I will be posting a clip, however, on May 21st for the 30th anniversary of ESB

So not long now....  :)

Looking forward to seeing another glimpse of completed 'Revisited' magic.

vaderios said:

And i cant find the pic i made showing it of(damn)

vaderios, I've caught up with the last fortnight's worth of comments since I last got a chance to look in, and hope to throw in a few thoughts of my own to do with the whole 'Falcon approaching Executor over Bespin' sequence that was brought up a few pages ago.  I've managed to find that particular 'mock-up' of yours, which I'll include when I go into my issues with the existing footage.

Great work on the latest Hoth costume detailing adywan, and good to see you've successfully 'tinted' those 'goggles' Rogue Leader!  Terrific stuff all round.  While I'm not expecting to see 'extreme close-up's of the additional/replacement ground troops, it's sure nice to know that the details will be there in new footage.  :)

Nice idea gurgle1624, although as far as the existing movie footage goes, it always seemed quite natural to me that a naturally-suspicious Han would say something like that anyway when he's notified that some unknown 'metal' thing has suddenly been located on an otherwise technologicaly-barren planet, which then transmits something that 'language expert' C3P0 suggests could be an 'Imperial code'....

Heh, I was actually also going to post those exact tunic shots that you've just shown on the left and right of your example adywan, as well as a few more that come afterwards, but my post was already quite lengthy. 

I'll go into the rest of what I think when I get a little more time, but let's just say for now, that the shot of Luke with his arm in a sling (when he's sensing Vader as the Falcon nears the Executor) is showing skin too, and looks similar to Luke's tunic shoulder when his hand is cut off.

Thanks for clarifying your thoughts on the Vader swipes at the doorway too, and very much looking forward to your anniversary clip later this month.  :)

I was thinking more along the lines of a blackened scorchmark more to the left to better match where the tip of the lightsaber seems to hit in the 'distant' shot vaderios....and where's my railing 'cut'/'scorch' then?  ;)

Seriously, I'm glad you showed that new mock-up to give a rough idea again, as I couldn't remember where your original one was either.

Re:the tunic shoulder corellian77.  I'd have to say that there's definately some different things going on with that left tunic shoulder over and above the few shots I posted back there.  There are various shots where it seems to be very much unripped overall compared to where his hand gets cut off.  That's what I see anyway.

By the way, there was a bit of conjecture a while back about what happened to Luke's hand and saber during this sequence.  Never mind that, what I want to know is, what became of those large 'gantry posts' that Vader chopped off first?....

I'll give my own take on all that in the context of the existing footage when I can get around to something else concerning Luke's fall sometime.  :)

adywan, here's a couple of other things to do with the 'gantry duel' sequence that I wanted to mention too, in case they can be tweaked a little -

1.  ....at this point below, near the end of the walkway, the railing on the left-side of Vader is intact until it's struck by a lightsaber....

2.  ....and when Vader passes that point, we now see that a 'cut' has been left through the railing.  Although there are small 'gaps' between the tops of the railing anyway, this one has definately been added after the lightsaber strikes....

( it can be seen more clearly in this bigger version - http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3606/screenshot147.png )

3.  ....and then moments later, the railing on Vader's right-side is struck by a lightsaber too....

4.  ....which leaves a 'cut' through that railing as well....

( bigger version of shot above - http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/24/screenshot167.png )

5.  ....however, just jumping back a little, when Vader first swings his lightsaber downwards at Luke in the shot below, it seems he strikes a railing first....

6.  ....and then strikes against the side of the doorway when he takes another swing at Luke, who ducks....

7.  ....thing is, when vaderios previously did a mock-up ages ago showing two 'scorch marks' near the doorway in the 'close-up' shot below, I remember agreeing this would be a neat addition, but that there should perhaps only be a single 'scorch mark' from Vader's swing in shot 6.

However, if you agree that Vader does strike the railing first, then when we cut to the 'close-up' below, it would be good to see some kind of 'cut'/'singe' damage indicating that too, similar to the damage seen on the railings moments later in shots 2 and 4....

The current 'gap' seen in the 'close-up' railing here is part of the actual railing design, but perhaps it can be made slightly bigger, and 'sheared-off'/'singed' somewhat?

....and perhaps the same thing could also be done to this shot below which comes a little later (just before Luke hits Vader's shoulder armor), where Vader has just swiped down at a point where there is also already a narrow 'gap' in the railing, yet it remains exactly the same thin width after the sparks have gone....

This next point which involves Luke's tunic always seems really jarring to me, but it's something else you may just be able to improve a little -

....although the slight raggedness on Luke's tunic seems to be different during certain shots, both shoulder seams are generally intact in the run-up to getting his hand cut off....

....but when we cut to the shot below, the tunic he's wearing here has suddenly developed a severe rip on his left shoulder....

....yet when we cut back to various shots of Luke afterwards, his left tunic shoulder is now suddenly intact and sewn up again....

If Luke's bare shoulder 'skin' could be made to match the colouration of the tunic somehow during that particular shot, then things would be less jarring I reckon.  See what you think anyway.