TV's Frink said:
I'd like to apply for a RESERVED spot. I can offer up three good references and the $42 processing fee.
Damn, I was too quick to give this thing to C3PX! It looks like I could've made a few bucks from it....
C3PX said:
Sorry, just playing with you. Hope I didn't actually screw up anything you had planned. I figured I'd edit my first post to be relevent to your topic as soon as it was completed. If you feel like I hijacked your topic, I apologize, that wasn't my intent.
Heh, no worries, as it was my fault entirely. I had a good idea it couldn't be salvaged in the way I'd hoped, the second I accidently posted the first bit I was drafting up.
I'll be more careful when I get around to redoing it, and you'll see what I mean. :)
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ImperialFighter said:
I hope you've enjoyed the thread. ;)
Hell yeah! This is my new favorite thread!
In that case it's yours! I'm letting you have it.
Can he ban accidental 'new thread' posts?....
TV's Frink said:
Suggestion: start new thread and post reserved spots immediately.
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If I hadn't accidentally posted it before I meant to, I wouldn't have needed to.
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No worries, I've got enough space reserved now to explain my intentions for it. When I can.
Hopefully everyone will resist posting now till it's started properly.
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I hope you've enjoyed the thread. ;)
Er....I had a new thread topic in mind and posted by accident just as I started it! Anybody reading this please DON'T comment yet. Even though I know you'll be tempted to TV's Frink... ;) Thanks.
I will get back to this!!!
EDIT: On the other hand, it seems this may end up being 'The permanently mucked-up thread...'
VettaDen said:
After reading over 504 pages of nonsense that wont happen in the finished product, it was time for another idea, some lolz
Welcome aboard VettaDen. I certainly lol'd at your first post here.
I'm not sure if you're meaning over 504 pages of 'off-topic' stuff or not, but there's been plenty of interesting notions along the way on this thread, whether they get used or not. A lot of ideas have ended up getting a yes, no, or maybe out of adywan, and have helped to see what's ahead in that respect. Not sure he'll be adding too many lolz to this edit though.
Monroville said:
Is there the possibility of just replacing the shot with Vader on a viewscreen? When you think about it, it is rather silly to have a smurf-sized Vader (or anyone) on what looks like a cigarette plug-in hologram add-on...
not to mention, is that holo (8-track) deck located near the right arm of the left AT-AT driver (as in, shouldn't there be a joystick in that area)? The area on the right side looks like the center of the console (the white bar above and behind Vader is the same as the glowing blue bar at the driver's shoulder level below):
Now I know someone is going to say that the mini-holodeck could be located in the center, between the joysticks (by the green dot).... the problem is that you should see the other joystick on the left side on the 1st image above, not to mention Veers looks off to his left (or right side of the screen), as opposed to straight below him, which would also be underneath his periscope.
I wanted to see a clearer look at this since Monroville used a recoloured mockup in his example which proved a little misleading. So here's a comparison using the actual current AT-AT interior details -
On close inspection, the detailing/lights seen around the 'hologram' don't seem to match anywhere on the AT-AT's console. But as Monroville alluded to at the bottom of his post, General Veers looks to his left when speaking down at the 'hologram'....and I've always looked on that 'hologram section' as definately being located somewhere 'offscreen' to the left of the AT-AT driver on the left of the frame....even in these 2 shots below from early in the battle -
(note the differing 'shadow' on the left of the windsceen, by the way. Is that supposed to be an 'outer' section of the AT-AT head? It should be solid in both shots, if so)
I'll use the 'targeting section' that Veers pulls down in front of his face as a reference, and assume it's located directly 'face on' behind the middle of the 2 drivers (as glimpsed at the top of the shot below)....
....but judging from the camera angle of the interior set in the shot below, we can see that Veers does seem to be looking over to the far left of the interior when he's initially leaning forward to speak downwards at Vader's tiny 'hologram'....and it's at this point I reckon that he's behind the AT-AT driver on the left hand side in front of him....
....he then moves backwards a little into a more central position
....and pulls down the 'targeting section'....
....and can see from the camera angle that the shot is filmed from the left of the interior....where Veers was initially looking towards....
Anyway, I personally hope that adywan doesn't alter the existing tiny Vader 'hologram' too dramatically from it's present look.
One of the things I really like about the various 'holograms' throughout the saga, are their varying sizes....with this one being the smallest one....with the details/lights around it seen in 'extreme close-up' in the 'corner' of the AT-AT cockpit somewhere, and that's why Veers has to lean forward to see it properly.
And anyway, isn't this something that adywan said he'd maybe end up having to actually re-film using his own Darth Vader suit?!! While I'd be more than happy to see the 'Dave Prowse' pose touched up a little if possible, it would certainly be a neat 'cameo' for adywan if he can match the angle and pose of the original 'hologram' here....
I'm not too sure where the right-hand AT-AT driver seems to have disappeared to in this shot though, but I guess he's just 'offscreen' at this point....
....unless he's nipped out to the same unknown place that the snowtrooper on the far right of the shot below is heading! I thought the only way out from the cockpit would be through the round 'neck' doorway immediately behind Veers....
Guess I'll just imagine he's just gone 'offscreen' slightly and is about to 'press a button' there to open the 'round' doorway though! :)
Lucky you, getting a preview of the 'workprint' doubleofive!
Very nice little write-up about it there.
Sorry, double post. I'll try to make up for that with some additional points very soon.
Moth3r said:
No-one is totally innocent. Even Ady uses this thread to describe the renovation of his kitchen - which I can let slide
I'd have to contend that was very relevant, as it definately related to the progress of his edit at the time. He'd no electricity for a while! ;)
adywan is innocent!
Monroville said:
Well, ALIEN 3 and 4 don't exist in this dojo, so when ALIENS ends, that's it for me.
That's certainly how I feel about those too, Monroville...but I have a plan which would make it easier to tolerate those 2 sequels a little better eventually... More on that at a future date.
Hopefully the next instalment(s) can redeem the franchise's good name, now that Ridley's back on board. I'm a little dubious about his intended 'the Space Jockey is part-space suit' idea though, and just hope it's not his latest female lead that ends up inside it...! If the mystery of that original scene is now to be explained away, then I'd like to think that we at least get someone from a tall, enigmatic alien race inside it... Then again, I'm not entirely sure that this is something that should even be revealed, but I'm keen to see how he makes it all pan out.
I'm also hoping that Ridley can capture some of the inventively atmospheric production design that his original had, at least. While I'm glad to hear that H. R. GIGER will be onboard again, RON COBB's great contributions made a great impact on the production overall. This excellent 'TUG' artwork below was the first image I ever came across to do with the movie at the time (but sadly, *isn't* amongst the extensive 'Quadrilogy' artwork extras, unfortunately) -
...and I was very interested to see the various other designs he'd come up with for the project too, such as this -
I recently came across this link which features some of his other neat ALIEN stuff, amongst other things - http://johneaves.wordpress.com/category/ron-cobb/
I also came across these 3 interesting articles which reveal just how BRIAN JOHNSON (the model maker) ended up deciding the final shape that the 'Nostromo' Tug should be -
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/324661/alien_the_history_of_the_nostromo_by_ron_cobb.html
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/286810/chris_foss_on_the_nostromo.html
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/287134/top_75_spaceships_in_movies_and_tv_part_5.html#nostromo (note: this article also happens to have some excellent links in it, such as the web-documentary 'Alien Makers')
In fact, it turns out that the Den OF Geek site has an extensive collection of neat movie-related articles in general in it's 'archive' section.
As TV's Frink notes, if you're interested in getting hold of the other excellent ALIEN APPENDIX releases, they are available at FE.org too. Unlike Appendix #2 (Alien Redux:the virtual workprint) they are 'preservation' compilations filled with various goodies. Just check out the 'artists index' section on the 'preserve.co.cc' page.
The latest ALIEN APPENDIX (#7) has recently been completed and I don't think its on there yet, but all the details about it can be seen here - http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Alien-Appendix-7-The-ALIEN-SAGA-Archive/topic/11437/
Jonno said:
The Quadrilogy DVD was branched (for economy of disc space) so the two versions had to be matched in terms of colour manipulation... this might not necessarily be so with the Blu-ray.
Perhaps Jonno...but I'll be surprised if we see the original ALIEN colour again, now that Ridley has chosen to alter it in the first place. Although some may like it, his new color-timing is too dramatic a change from the movie's original colour-palette for my taste. While the 'Quadrilogy's improved print was great to see, the unnatural-looking colouration throughout ruined it for me. Some aspects were darkened, while others had a 'washed-out' insipid look to them, and just didn't look as good on the eyes overall I thought. Give me the vibrantly red blood and natural colours of the sets etc. from the original DVD, any day.
Just as a reminder of how things look now, here are a few comparison examples. The original DVD's colour is shown at the top, while the 'Quadrilogy's revisionist colour is underneath -
As far as the forthcoming Bluray anthology goes, I just hope they don't DNR the hell out of ALIENS like they've ended up doing to the latest PREDATOR release! But it's good to see that the 'Burke's cocoon' scene is included in the extras, and that they've gone to the effort of fixing the moments of poor audio on the extended ALIEN 3 cut. And interesting to see that Fincher's comments are uncensored this time round too. I'd just like to see ALIEN's original colour back, though.
And even though the mystery of the 'Space Jockey' is going to be diluted in future, at least we've got Ridley back for the Prequel(s). Let's hope he's still got it in him!
These 'Alien Appendix' compilations have been really great. Nice to see yet another one completed. :)
As far as the forthcoming Blu-ray compilation goes, it's looking like an even better package than the excellent 'Quadrilogy' compilation was, where extras are concerned! However, as a fan of the 'Theatrical' cut of ALIEN, rather than the 'Director's Cut', I'm really hacked off that it's likely to be presented in the same 'stylised' re-colouration that was done for the 'Director's Cut'!
The original 'Theatrical' version had a vibrant, natural colouration that was already perfect where the look of Ridley's classic visuals are concerned. Personally, I really dislike the murky, overly-dark 'grading' that Ridley did for his 'Director's Cut', when he messed about with things at that point. But annoyingly, the original 'Theatrical' version ended up with the same overly-dark 'grading'-revision on the 'Quadrilogy' set too, totally changing how it had previously looked!
Unfortunately, I have no doubt this re-colouration is going to be the DE FACTO 'look' for the forthcoming Blu-ray release too... Furthermore, Ridley also ended up doing the same thing to his BLADE RUNNER: FINAL CUT too...giving it a more 'stylised', overly-dark colour compared to it's original 'Theatrical' look. This also turned out for the worse, as far as I'm concerned, since the original 'Theatrical' version had a perfect-looking, vibrant, naturalistic colouration to it, compared to the latest version's altered hues.
I think the 're-mastered', darkened, 'stylised' colour given to these two movies have really spoiled the look of them now, when compared with how their originals looked. This seems to be an unfortunate 'trend' in 're-mastering', as I recall a certain popular franchise also ended up with some dubious colour-meddling for the worse... It's also happening with various other titles too, unfortunately...
Hope things will improve generally for you from hereonin InvisibleWolfMan.
This 'Gremlins' project is one that I'm most looking forward to seeing eventually, no matter how long it takes. Good luck with everything.
vaderios said:
Im curious why Impfighter missed to mention the incocistences in the backgrounds while the speeders are flying and how some backdrops are repeateted after a while causing a mess..
Er, because they've never really stood out enough to me vaderios, lol. But as adywan has answered you, there's just too many 'background' continuity differences to attempt to tie everything together perfectly anyway, I'd imagine. Still, nice to see that there's the odd additional 'cloud' enhancement thrown in too, to improve things.
adywan, some interesting pointers there in your latest answers, and I hope you'll take things really easy for the foreseeable future as you've been advised.
