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I'm kinda curious what aspects were meant by that 'often baseless' comment...

I sure hope it wasn't meant to defend the new 'colour-timing' of the 2004 releases, at the end of the day...as it's certainly not 'baseless' to reckon that the director/and others involved in the 're-mastering' obviously didn't have a clue about good 'colour-timing', considering how badly they ended up screwing up colours/hues/lighting/cinematography on the Original Trilogy that were already great-looking. 

Whether it was the 'always' the way that GL supposedly 'intended' these movies to be seen, or not...his SE colour-tampering is the equivelent to this, compared to how they used to look to me originally, lol. -

Unfortunately, this trend of badly meddling with previously good-looking movies is not soley restricted to GL and co. of course.  Here's a couple of interesting links I was sent, that give a good example of how 're-mastering' for 'high definition' gives too much of a tempting 'opportunity' to radically alter things from the previously better way they used to look.  Either that, or certain people involved haven't a clue how to treat prints respectfully, that they've worked on - 

http://whiggles.landofwhimsy.com/archives/2007/10/the_digital_restoration_bandit.html

...and just for completion, there's a few additional points about certain aspects to do with the 're-mastering' of this particular example, here too -

http://www.landofwhimsy.com/archives/2010/01/suspiria-the-good-the-bad-and-the-downright-ugly/

...however, it's good to know that it looks like 'The Phantom Menace' Blu-ray is actually an improvement colour-wise, compared to it's DVD release.  The movie will still remain disappointing overall, but at least it will look better for those that will watch it in future.  I fear this is likely to be a rare exception in too many 'high definition' releases, however.

Alexrd said:

It's not one movie per year. The breaks between them will be around a couple of months.

This is news to me too.  I seem to recall the intention was to release the 3D 'conversions' one per year.  What source did you get this from Alexrd?

Jambe Davdar said:

Next week I will have a few hours to work on it and hope to have it done by end of Feb 2011.  I am still wondering about the name and if it works.

Good to hear that you're almost there on this one Jambe.  Been looking forward to this instalment very much.

I see that you still seem a little uncertain about your proposed 'STAR WARS Begins' title, however.  While I don't have any problems with it myself, here's a couple of others for you to consider, just for fun, till you decide for sure -

'STAR WARS Remembered'

'STAR WARS Created'

'STAR WARS Imagined'

'Remembering STAR WARS'

'Creating STAR WARS'

'Imagining STAR WARS'

'Where STAR WARS Began'

'When STAR WARS Began'

Bingowings said:

At last How 3D Really Works.

Lol.  I usually like Kermode's take on a lot of his movie reviews, but he's generally known to be a complete hater of 3D in general.  That's his opinion and he's welcome to it.  Of course, there's plenty of others out there who do like the effect, and the early momentum is building to a point where there's really no going back...whether it's theatrically or in the home.  I just hope he can get used to the fact eventually.

Thanks for bumping the thread Bingowings, as it's reminded me that there's been a heap of 3D-related news lately that I really must find time to add here soon.

vaderios said:

I did it! What now? :P

Lol, I accidentally posted that, but I'll get back about it and a few other things soon.

Deleted post - oops, accidently posted something else I was still drafting up, by accident.  I'm too tired at the moment it seems!  :)

Deleted post - sorry about that, I posted something accidentally!

Lord Grievous said:

Here we go again :)

Well vaderios did ask for some feedback on something, and there's another thing he pointed out that I'm keen to confirm as being doable or not.  So I'm not ready to move onto the 'Dagobah' stuff I want to go into yet.  Feel free to bring up any other scenes you'd like to discuss in the meantime, however. 

adywan said:

 

I'm not going to be adding anything to the doors or behind them. I'm going to keep this shot exactly the way it always has been. It makes more sense to me that the chamber would be just off from the bridge control room.

Good to have a confirmation on this, one way or the other adywan.  Even though this is how I always saw it, I'm pleased that thanks to certain things brought up here recently, that I'll no longer see things happening in *real-time* onscreen anymore, which I've still to go into.  PM reply sent, by the way.

vaderios, thanks for showing that neat mock-up of the'missing' black 'hologram' prop back there.  When I've more time, I'll be going into some thoughts on your shot and a few other things too, that you've brought up recently.  :)

Bingowings said:

Maybe it's a HD 3D sampler disc to promote the television sets and get everyone primed for the theatrical run.

Now that's an interesting speculation Bingowings, and one I'd certainly not thought of.  And I'm certainly curious about the 'Panasonic' stand link...

corellian77 said:

My 2¢: I like the idea of either an antechamber or elongated hallway.  Either serves to make Vader's meditation room seem more isolated and imposing, and therefore threatening.

I wish I could remember what Ady said on the subject, alas 865 pages worth of information is a lot to keep track of.

corellian77, turns out that recent link to Bingowing's own thoughts on the issue ended up pinpointing the pages showing everything that was said at the time on the subject. 

Seems it was first brought up by vaderios way back on page 267...and the various viewpoints for-and-against the 'meditation chamber's entrance' shot being made to look more 'isolated' from the 'bridge' went back-and-forth over the course of 10 pages until page 276!

Here are adywan's 3 responses on the issue at the time, from pages 267, 268, and 273 respectively, which I couldn't recall properly either, but may clarify things a little for everyone -

adywan said:

i don't think this needs changing, wouldn't it make better sense if this chamber was close to the bridge instead of being deep within the bowels of the ship?  I can't help thinking of the scene in spaceballs if Vader needed to get to the bridge in a hurry if he was so far away from it in his chamber.  lol

 

adywan said:

i,m actually in two minds about this now.  i'm starting to like the idea of having it a bit more isolated.  hmmm, what to do.  lol 

 

adywan said: 

as for vaders chamber, i do like the corridor idea abut not an airlock or lift.  He wouldn't need a sterile environment so his wounds wouldn't get infected because they would have healed after all this time.  i've always thought that the actual meditation unit had some sort of inbuilt force field protecting Vader when he has his mask off and that his breathing apparatus was linked into it's systems which would allow him to have his mask off for short periods of time.  i won't be doing any changes to that apart from the entrance.

However, just *how much* things will change in the shot remains to be seen, but for anyone wishing to see what was discussed at the time, here's where it started on page 267 -  http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-V-REVISITED-EDITION-ADYWAN-CHRISTMAS-CLIP-NOW-AVAILABLE/post/348536/#TopicPost348536 , before it ended up being resumed on page 863 a couple of pages back.

sluggo and doubleofive - thanks for re-posting that behind-the-scenes exterior shot of the guarded 'chamber' entrance recently, by the way...as that helped me at the time (along with certain comments) to work out the new way I am now going to look on this whole scene in future...so that things can make total sense 'time-wise' to me by the time we cut to the full shot of Vader later descending from the direction of the 'chamber', without it seeming jarring.  And the lucky thing for me is, it can still work whether adywan changes the background of the existing shot of Piett's entrance, or not...  :)

I'll go into that properly, to see what others think, when I have enough time soon.  In the meantime, I thought I'd post these for anyone here that hasn't seen them yet, as I love the camera-angles and details shown in them - 

zombie84 said:

As much as reading that gave me a headache I am actually kind of curious where he got that understanding from. Is there some young earth creationism school of thought for home video now or something?

The notion of total 'digital removal' of original grain becoming a 'preferred' look by some is bad enough...but I'm gonna call it a day if someone ever seriously demands somewhere that every future blu-ray should have the current over-used trend for 'tinted' blue/'teal'/'orangy' hues too!  ;)

auximenies said:

BTW, I think the significance of describing the announcement as "most impressive" is nothing other than using a quote from the films in order to be "clever".

This is exactly how I read that marketing statement too, and reckon it's going to mainly be a fanfare to announce the official release date for the blu-rays.  With perhaps some detail on some of the extras being mentioned too.

I doubt there'll be any mention of any 3D blu-ray versions at this point, until the cinema releases are done with first...and at that point, I wouldn't be surprised if some manufacturer or other was indeed then given a 'limited monopoly' over them for a while (just as Panasonic has with 'Avatar' for the time being), thus delaying it from being available to everyone else who buys the 'wrong' 3D TV from other manufacturers... 

Just for the record, I'm highly impressed with Panasonic's 3D TV range, even if I don't like their exclusive control over 'Avatar's 3D blu-ray for anyone else.

I've really liked a few examples of Tyler Scout's 'cluttered'-looking 'mondo'-style illustrations in the past, and I've just come across these ones that he's done of the Original Trilogy.  I reckon they'd make a neat set of covers, so take a look -

Click here for far bigger versions showing all the details -  http://geektyrant.com/news/2010/12/29/awesome-final-star-wars-trilogy-posters-from-mondo-tees.html

The Golden Idol said:

Cibernite said:

If you look at Vader, His cape is on his back and not on his shoulders like it usually is.  Which means he did something while his ship was being positioned.  It would look out of place if you just cut to him just about to stand on the pedistal.

This made me notice a continuity error. When Vader kneels down to speak to the Emperor, his cape is on his back with his shoulder pads exposed. However, in the next shot, his cape is over his shoulders. This change occurs in a matter of seconds.

Cibernite, nice spot there, which is something I never noticed before. :)

But, while there's certainly a little re-positioning of his cape now to being more 'swept back' and more 'off the shoulders' by the time we cut to Vader descending the 'chamber' prop, compared to when we last saw him address the 'hologram' officers and Piett...I'm happy to imagine that any difference can be accounted for by whatever other movements he makes unseen by us during the rest of his journey to the 'chamber' room, once he'd gone briskly around the corner to get to it.

So a direct cut to him *just-as-he-goes-to* step on the pedistal/'holo-pad' wouldn't really make for any more of an objectionable difference in his 'look' when we see him here, than is already seen when he currently descends the 'chamber' prop, I'd say, once we cut to him again after the Executor shot, where my 'real-time' scenario is concerned.  As The Golden Idol suggested, there's plenty of slight differences in the cape between various shots here (and elsewhere) anyway, but they aren't a problem for me, and it doesn't change how I normally view this overall scene in any way.  

However...having re-read everything from page 860 onwards, to review the various points that have been brought up so far, about several things...I've now picked up on certain points that I didn't before, and there's also been a couple of additional comments that have given me food for thought on another way to look at these scenes overall, which I equally like.

Unfortunately, my long-suffering wife has reminded me that we have things to do shortly, and she's already been pretty tolerant of the time I've spent online recently...so the various posts I'd like to respond to (and alternative scenario that I'd like to go into), will all have to wait until I get enough time to spend on them properly.  Just to say that there's been a couple of things suggested recently that have really helped me to make possible sense of a couple of things throughout these scenes now, *whichever* way I end up looking at them in future...and I'm really pleased about this. :)

Radi0n said:

Screen 1 shows the circular prop just behind the officer on the right.
Shouldn't that mean that on the second screen, the prop is situated behind that officer as well, just outside of screen?

You'd expect that to be the case, except I meant to say that I've never been sure that the 'holograms' in shot 2 are actually in the right position to match where they are seen in shot 1 to begin with...

And while I remember, here's something else I've been meaning to bring up adywan, and I've included a few shots for easier judging -

Do you reckon that the black, circular 'hologram' prop seen in shots 1, 3, and 4 is actually missing from shot 2, or not? 

Should we still be able to see a little bit of it, or not?  Or has shot 2 just been filmed from a deceiving angle?

1.

2.

3. (this shot and the one below are from later on when Needa is choked, for comparison)

4.

vaderios said:

So that leads why vader went from his chamber to the spot and didnt came directly from the door . Its like entered the door, entered the chamber, came out from the chamber to push the big button on the floor.

Okay vaderios, here's the stuff I wanted to bring up about the Vader/'chamber' shot...so just to recap, here's how it currently fits into the flow of the movie -

Vader quickly rounds the corner at the end of the 'control room' section that's just beyond the 'bridge'...

...then we immediately cut to the Executor moving out of the asteroid field...

...then we immediately cut to Vader descending the steps of his 'meditation chamber', as he walks towards the smaller, circular prop...

...then we immediately cut to the Emperor's 'hologram' appearing...

Some thoughts on all this -

Firstly, I've always preferred to think of the entrance to the 'meditation chamber'/'hologram' area as being *just around the corner* from the 'control room'...so that Vader is always close to the the 'action' and 'running' of the 'bridge' when he's aboard.  And these particular shots below always give me that impression, as they seem to work reasonably well with this notion -

Here's the end section of the 'control room'...

...and here's a different view of it later in the movie, where we see Vader go down some steps just around the corner of the same set...

...and this earlier shot of Piett below shows how the steps outside the guarded entrance could be regarded as being the ones that Vader goes down in the shot above...  (and Veers is picked up off the floor by 2 guards near the area shown in the shot above, which ties in the guarded door shot shown below, too)... 

Unfortunately, I don't have the 'behind-the-scenes' pic of the the outside of this 'guarded doorway', that was posted here a while back...as it gave a good idea of the distance down that the doorway is positioned away from the start of the stairs -  my point being that I've always been fine with 'imagining' that the entrance to the 'meditation chamber' is therefore situated somewhere immediately behind where Vader is standing here, in this shot below...as the 'chamber's surrounding room dimensions could plausibly fit down there just fine, behind and below this section of the set...

...and another reason why I've always liked the notion of Vader's 'meditation chamber' being situated *near-at-hand* to the main action of the 'bridge' and 'control room', rather than much further away somewhere...is that when we cut away from the shot of him quickly turning the corner...and then transition to the shot of the Executor moving out of the asteroid field for a few seconds afterwards...it just *seems* when watching the movie, that there's been just enough time for him to have briskly gone down the steps around the corner and entered the area where the 'chamber' is, in 'real-time'...by the time we cut back to him... 

However, I acknowledge that a different thing that can be 'imagined', is to look on the cut to the Vader/'chamber' shot as being a sort of *jump-ahead-in-time* moment...which occurs some unknown time after we've seen the shot of the Executor move out of the asteriod field...giving the impression that Vader walked further away from the 'bridge' to reach his 'chamber'/'holograph' room...  Not that I prefer this alternative myself, although it can work too I reckon.  Having said that, the current view seen outside of the 'chamber' doorway during Piett's entrance doesn't necessarily need to be altered, for anyone that wants to 'imagine' that the room is located further away from the 'bridge' after all...

But the MAIN thing I want to bring up here is this:  as you mentioned vaderios, the way the shot is currently filmed gives the impression that Vader is coming down from the direction of the 'chamber' itself, for some unknown reason, before he addresses the Emperor...  It's something that kinda makes my preferred way of 'imagining' this overall sequence playing out in 'real-time', a bit off...as the Executor shot would have needed to go on just a little longer to allow plenty of time for it to work better...because Vader looks as if he *did something* (?) inside the 'chamber' first, and would have needed just a little more time to do so, in 'real-time' onscreen.  This doesn't make me want to change the way I prefer to 'imagine' the 'close' position of the 'chamber' in the general layout, though...but I accept that the alternative idea that it's a little *jump-ahead-in-time* moment due to the 'chamber' being somewhere further away...probably works better to allow for the extra time needed for Vader to go into the 'chamber' and come out again, that the existing shot implies...

...which is why I'd have liked it to have been cut slightly differently in the first place...to resemble something more like the way I've shown below.  Now I know it's sacrelige to suggest removing even one single frame of ESB, lol...but in this case it would have certainly helped with putting Vader into a more likely position in the 'chamber' surroundings, to match my preferred 'real-time' layout...by the time we cut back to him after the Executor shot! -

Vader quickly rounds the corner of the 'control room' section as normal...

...then we cut to the Executor as normal...

...but we now cut to show Vader only *just about* to step onto the smaller, circular prop...rather than having him descend from up on the 'chamber' prop first...so that it instead *seems* like he walked directly over to it, once he entered the 'chamber's surroundings...  (there would be a brief, minimal loss of 'music score' at this point, of course, that would need to be smoothed to fit)...

...we then cut to the Emperor's 'hologram' appearing as normal...

On the other hand, it's a reasonably iconic shot of Vader I guess (aren't they all?), and gives a good angle of the 'chamber' prop...so I can understand if adywan and others would hate it to be tampered with.  Thing is, I always 'imagined' that the 'holograph' transmission only came on once the smaller, circular prop was 'activated' by Vader stepping/kneeling on it...although the full Vader/'chamber' shot gives the *impression* that Vader did something else in the 'chamber' first, before descending... 

Did he have to 'activate' the smaller, circular prop from the 'chamber' itself first , before it would work?  Or might he have had to give some 'command' or other to someone on his 'viewscreen', first, before switching it off again?  I'm interested to hear what anyone else thinks Vader might have been plausibly doing, before addressing the Emperor...that makes sense in the context of how this existing shot was filmed...

ray_afraid said:

As for what I'm most looking forward to, it would have to be the part between the opening crawl and the end credits. Can't wait to see what Ady's done there.

 I'm sure that would be most people's most anticipated bit, lol.

TML said:

I'm curious to see how the Luke/Vader duel turns out.

 Ah, interesting choice.

vaderios said:

So indeed the officers are like stepping on the circular thing or next to it when they inform vader right?(probably next to it because they both are from the right side of it)

response -  to clarify, I reckon that Piett steps up onto the bottom step of the 'chamber's' base, and then is ever so slightly unsteady as he walks a couple of steps around it, due to the narrowness of the bottom step he's now on, and not looking down at. (I've rewatched the scene a few times now, and am reasonably sure this was the case...and if you watch where Vader descends the steps towards the 'hologram' area, you can get an idea of how the step is not very wide in relation to him)  As far as Veers is concerned, it's difficult to tell if he's standing on the bottom step of the 'chamber' or the floor.  However, I'm fairly convinced that neither of the actors stepped onto the smaller, circular prop during their scenes.

 

 

vaderios said:

So that leads why vader went from his chamber to the spot and didnt came directly from the door . Its like entered the door, entered the chamber, came out from the chamber to push the big button on the floor.

Flawless logic :P

Or it might be at the end the supposed deleted scene of ROTJ would be the previous shot of vader walks out of the chamber... who knows

response -  perhaps he was taking a quick 'toilet break' in there, before he addressed the Emperor?  Seriously, this is something else that I've been meaning to comment on, so I'm glad you brought it up.  It's no biggie at the end of the day, but I do have some thoughts on it that might interest you, and I'll sort out the relevant screenshots I need when I have time to go into it soon.

 

 

vaderios said:

Ady did you considered the idea of making the door leading to vader be longer and more isolate rather is next to a populate hall?

response -  I'm very curious to know if adywan's going to radically change this shot of Piett's entrance too...due to the fact that I reckon it ties in nicely with the steps we see Vader descending in a different shot, which are just around the corner from the 'control room' next to the 'bridge'...which I equally went into at length last year.  Coincidentally, I was actually going to mention this very shot of Piett's entrance too, when I get around to my thoughts on the Vader/'chamber' shot mentioned above...as there's something about it that may be relevant to what I'm going to suggest about that Vader/'chamber' shot.   :)

euroherbal, those were some interesting comparisons.  I hadn't even noticed this before, so it was a new one to me. :)  Personally, I can live with the same exact portion of the set being seen in both of the Emperor's 'hologram' views you showed, as the 'pylons and tubes' are a random mix of lengths and shapes, and managed to *seem* to look different to me in each shot...due to the fact that the shots are filmed from different camera angles.  Thankfully, due to that change of camera angle, and the random detailing of the wall set, I reckon the backdrop will continue to *seem* to be different between the 2 shots...without distracting me.  And I'm still happy enough to *believe* that the whole room could be a sort of '8' shape, rather than a big single circle or oval shape...as the wall seen in the 'side onwards' shot of the 'hologram' just doesn't look like it's able to convincingly wrap around the offscreen 'chamber' behind Vader in one continuous circle or oval, unfortunately.  Of course, it was never built properly to do so, it turns out...so this '8' thing works better for me overall.

And if you scroll back up to my large shot of the 'side onwards' view of the 'hologram', you'll see another good example of how the difference in colours between the SE version and the 'original' version is not even funny anymore...

As well as all that, I'd just like to remind everyone that you've still got about a month left to get a link to the marvellous, full 'Vader/Emperor' scene, if you can spare a little to donate towards the cause for adywan's various still-much-needed materials etc., at this point in time (click on the bottom link of adywan's 'signature' for details)

Just a thought, but I'm curious to know what's the most anticipated fix/addition or whole scene that people here are looking forward to seeing eventually.  Is it say, the new colour-correction overall?...or the new Wampa?...or finding out if adywan was just kidding about not making the AT-AT laserbolts green, or not?...  It's a tough choice to pick just one I reckon, but I'm going to choose the eventual 'Falcon/TIEs chase through the asteroid canyon' as being my most anticipated fix, as it was always the one truly disappointing effects scene in the movie for me, whenever I rewatched the movie over the years.  Not the way it was composed, but the really shoddy execution of it compared to the shots that came before and after it.  It's great to know it's getting a complete overhaul.  :)

Happy New Year everyone, and hello 2011!

Just to say that I've now added a few things to last night's post, in case you've already read it.

Okay, I've stuck all this together into a single post now so that's it's easy to scroll up and down to compare how things look at a glance.  Some of the proportions may not be perfect, but I reckon the general look of asterisk8's rough layout makes sense of things pretty well -

Due to the deceiving angles that the 'meditation chamber' and 'holographic' scenes were filmed at in certain shots (especially as seen in the large shot 16 below), I was never really sure if there was a reasonably plausible way of tying the set(s?) together logically as a single room, to make better sense of what's currently seen onscreen.

But as I mentioned yesterday, I'm now fully onboard with the notion that the room can indeed be 'imagined' to be an almost '8'-shaped area which is 'narrower' in the middle, and comprised of 2 roughly circular areas.  So here's a selection of some of the relevant shots which should help to remind everyone how things currently look, and which reasonably back up this '8'-shaped solution, if you choose to look at it this way.  Which I personally will, from hereonin, so thanks for that guys!  :)

1.  Let's start with the scene where Piett enters the area to glimpse the back of Vader's scarred head.  The doorway seems to be to the 'side' of the 'meditation chamber' in this view, and happens to be just out of shot in other certain shots of the 'chamber'.  The doorway section gives the impression that this side of the room may not be as 'circular' as the rest of the wall that surrounds the 'chamber', and that this area may not necessarily be symmetrical.  Alternatively, it could be 'imagined' that there may even be another , matching doorway on the opposite side (which we just don't see in any of the shots), and that the area here is perhaps symmetrical after all.  I prefer to look on it as just having a single entrance though.  It doesn't matter at the end of the day, as this half of the '8' shape is still roughly 'circular' overall, whichever way you look at it...

2.  ...Piett then has to turn to his left to walk around to the 'front' of the 'chamber'...and seems to take a step up onto what I reckon is the bottom step of the 'chamber' prop, before he eventually stops.  So the floor remains level throughout the imaginary '8'-shaped area...  (see shot 15 below for a decent look at the 'chamber's' overall base shape)...

3.

4.

5.  ...and at this point he is just about fully facing the 'front' of the 'chamber'...  I'm okay 'imagining' that the background here represents a 'distant' portion of the back of the 'other' circular space where the 'hologram' appears.  (also see the Veer's 'close-up' in shot 11 below too, for another example)  Just a thought adywan, but although the background wall detail in these particular static 'close-ups' of Piett and Veers is already slightly 'out of focus' to begin with...perhaps adding slightly more of a 'blur' to them could further enhance this notion of it being the distant 'hologram' wall area even more?...  I'm content will things well enough here, if not though...

6.  ...and there's a 'direct onwards' view of the 'chamber'...and the 'viewscreen' is inset into the rounded wall directly behind it...

7.

8.  ...the edge of the 'viewscreen' can be seen here in this particular shot of Vader looking at Piett...

9.  ...and then there's another 'direct onwards' look at the 'chamber', which again doesn't reveal too much of the set's surrounding wall shape, so nothing is contradicted in this particular overall 'circular' area where the door positioning seen earlier is concerned...

Okay, here is the scene from earlier in the movie where Veers visited Vader -

10.  ...again, we see a 'direct onwards' view of the 'chamber', with the 'viewscreen' behind it...with just a hint of the surrounding overall 'circular' backdrop revealed...  And like Piett eventually does, Veers is standing somewhere at the 'front' of the 'chamber'... 

11.  ...and again, I'm okay with 'imagining' this backdrop to be part of the 'holographic' circular area in the 'distance' in front of the 'chamber'...

12.

13. 

14.  ...and Vader's centrally-located chair swivels around, as he turns to look at the 'viewscreen' that's on the wall that's directly behind the 'front' of the 'chamber' from this view..

And just for comparison's sake again -

15.  ...here's the shot of Vader when he approaches the smaller, circular platform that's positioned at the 'front' of the 'chamber'...and it's still easy to imagine that the 'doorway' is offscreen on the right of this shot, to tie-in with the Piett shots at the top...

16.  ...and here's the 'side onwards' shot again too, to confirm that it can just about be 'imagined' as being another circular area, and the 'other' half of the '8'-shaped room...

adywan, I read your answer about the darkness of the shot here, and that's fair enough.  However, if you *were* to add a 'hint' of the 'chamber's' lower step into the bottom left of the frame here, perhaps any white/grey 'shiny reflection' that's similar to the one on the smaller platform would make it stand out enough to be noticed?

Okay, that's my lot for this year folks, so I'd just like to take the opportunity to wish Jay and all the members of O.T.com a very happy New Year!  And I hope all goes well on the family front for you adywan, in the coming days.  The edit will be ready when it's ready, and definately be worth whatever the wait.  'SLANGE!' (raises glass)

Heh, I'm okay now with an 'imaginary' overall '8'-shaped meditation/hologram room to make the various scenes in the movie tie-in.  Especially after seeing the shape of the set in the behind-the-scenes shot.  And I'm in the middle of knocking up a few shots to show how that can work okay with the viewscreen and doorway etc., having looked at a few scenes now.

I'll post them when I get a chance.

euroherbal said:

If you look closely in the 5th photo of ImpFighter's sequence, you'll see the kneeling pad is INSIDE the verge of the black circle which has the med-chamber is in its middle.

So the BTS photo is not correct, as you can see in the hologram room still that the walls are reflecting on a "clear" floor (no trace of a dark circle).

The dark SE colours make it difficult to see it properly, but I reckon the 'reflective' floor seen in the behind-the-scenes pic will indeed be the same one filmed when we see Vader descending his chamber...and during the 'side onwards' shots of the hologram too. 

Here's a big version of the one of the 'side onwards' hologram shots for a clearer look - http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4872/starwars51954.jpg