Harmy said:
He's the guy who offered Lucas that if he gave him the materials to work with, he'd restore the OOT for free.
Does anyone happen to know if RAH ever confirmed if GL took up his offer, or not?
I'm sure I can organise the set(s?) you want, from over here, if you'd like.
You'd need to PM me the particular site you're looking at (Royalmail.co.uk ?), and your details to forward them.
Interesting to note that they're 'motion' stamps - a first, I believe.
I'm really pleased that Gerry Anderson is actively involved with another tv project at this stage in his life. :) He didn't say, but I'm guessing it'll be another 'CGI' effort, like his 'Captain Scarlet' update was.
none said:
Add in a snappy new title, and i'd agree with Duchamp, you've got a new work
And I'd say that the 2004 'STAR WARS:A New Hope - Special Edition' did indeed come across as a 'new work' in many respects. Not that I was against that, if that's what GL wanted to do at some point. That was fair enough, and was certainly of some interest, whether you ended up appreciating all his latest 'creative changes', or not. Personally, I reckon adywan's 'new work' kicks it's ass in comparison.
But what I certainly didn't expect to happen, was a complete disregard for the much-loved 'original work' known as 'STAR WARS' (or 'STAR WARS:A New Hope' if you must) by GL. The one that smashed box-office records to become the number one movie of all-time, on it's release. And by default, I didn't expect a complete disregard to properly preserve the work of others that were involved in it (and it's sequels) either...especially from someone who had a reputation for being at the forefront of technical excellence, and who claimed to have a keen interest in the preservation of cinema history.
Of course, the current poor treatment of the 'original works' could just be a misunderstanding on our part, as we may find that they've actually been faithfully preserved in something approaching their original look after all...and will be released in a respectful, high quality standard eventually, after all. In the meantime, it's difficult to believe that, sadly.
none said:
Being able to listen and ask questions to the people who did the actual work, seems like a unique event, which we'll most likely not get again, proceed cautiously, please.
The idea that their monitors are a different class then the TVs in most people's homes, provides another wrinkle to how the films look different dependent upon the equipment you use.
Sure...although it certainly doesn't explain how they ended up re-colouring the 2004 SE releases so drastically differently to what they looked like originally.
Bingowings said:
...On Christmas Eve I got a call from the better half telling me the water had gone off.
He had called a plumber who suggested trying the thaw out the pipe with an hair dryer and since we don't have such a device he had popped over to next door to borrow one.
...I do hope it doesn't snow again.
I don't normally wander in here, but I've just read a few of the latest additions, and sympathise with your Christmas drama Bingowings, as it must have been a real hassle at the time. I didn't realise till now that you were actually...a gal! ...unless I've somehow managed to pick up the wrong end of the stick, lol. Anyway, I agree that it will be good to see the back of the snow here in Scotland. I'm sick of thinking I've been stranded on 'Hoth'!
Ripplin said:
Good Find! The unseen sister 'Booba Fette', obviously.
Anyway, I just wanted to flag up the fact that the Fanedit.org site seems to have been given a nice overhaul since the start of the year, since I last checked in there a few months ago. The team have done a good job since Boon decided to give up the reigns last year, sometime.
It's good to see that you only need a single password to register and get onto the Faneditforums there now, as you used to require a seperate password to access those. However, just in case you're not aware yet, any previous members will need to re-register with Fanedit.org now, since this upgrade to the site.
There's a host of new changes and topics to read through, but just to let anyone here know easily, without searching around...once you've re-registered, you can then re-upload your previous 'avatar' by going to Settings at the top of the homepage, then go to My Settings on the left of the page that comes up, then click on Edit Avatar beneath. Or if you can't find your original 'avatar' pic to do so, you can contact the site directly for them to re-upload it for you from their end.
And you can pick up from any topics you left off in the past, by going to My Profile, then Find all posts on the left of the page that comes up. Which will come in handy for me... :)
*BREAKING NEWS* - just as I've typed this, Gerry Anderson has given a news item about a set of stamps that the UK Post Office is producing, which mark some of the various shows he's been involved in. Well he's just said that he is officially involved with an all-new 'Thunderbirds' show, that's coming. Great stuff!
I'm kinda curious what aspects were meant by that 'often baseless' comment...
I sure hope it wasn't meant to defend the new 'colour-timing' of the 2004 releases, at the end of the day...as it's certainly not 'baseless' to reckon that the director/and others involved in the 're-mastering' obviously didn't have a clue about good 'colour-timing', considering how badly they ended up screwing up colours/hues/lighting/cinematography on the Original Trilogy that were already great-looking.
Whether it was the 'always' the way that GL supposedly 'intended' these movies to be seen, or not...his SE colour-tampering is the equivelent to this, compared to how they used to look to me originally, lol. -
Unfortunately, this trend of badly meddling with previously good-looking movies is not soley restricted to GL and co. of course. Here's a couple of interesting links I was sent, that give a good example of how 're-mastering' for 'high definition' gives too much of a tempting 'opportunity' to radically alter things from the previously better way they used to look. Either that, or certain people involved haven't a clue how to treat prints respectfully, that they've worked on -
http://whiggles.landofwhimsy.com/archives/2007/10/the_digital_restoration_bandit.html
...and just for completion, there's a few additional points about certain aspects to do with the 're-mastering' of this particular example, here too -
http://www.landofwhimsy.com/archives/2010/01/suspiria-the-good-the-bad-and-the-downright-ugly/
...however, it's good to know that it looks like 'The Phantom Menace' Blu-ray is actually an improvement colour-wise, compared to it's DVD release. The movie will still remain disappointing overall, but at least it will look better for those that will watch it in future. I fear this is likely to be a rare exception in too many 'high definition' releases, however.
Alexrd said:
It's not one movie per year. The breaks between them will be around a couple of months.
This is news to me too. I seem to recall the intention was to release the 3D 'conversions' one per year. What source did you get this from Alexrd?
Jambe Davdar said:
Next week I will have a few hours to work on it and hope to have it done by end of Feb 2011. I am still wondering about the name and if it works.
Good to hear that you're almost there on this one Jambe. Been looking forward to this instalment very much.
I see that you still seem a little uncertain about your proposed 'STAR WARS Begins' title, however. While I don't have any problems with it myself, here's a couple of others for you to consider, just for fun, till you decide for sure -
'STAR WARS Remembered'
'STAR WARS Created'
'STAR WARS Imagined'
'Remembering STAR WARS'
'Creating STAR WARS'
'Imagining STAR WARS'
'Where STAR WARS Began'
'When STAR WARS Began'
Bingowings said:
At last How 3D Really Works.
Lol. I usually like Kermode's take on a lot of his movie reviews, but he's generally known to be a complete hater of 3D in general. That's his opinion and he's welcome to it. Of course, there's plenty of others out there who do like the effect, and the early momentum is building to a point where there's really no going back...whether it's theatrically or in the home. I just hope he can get used to the fact eventually.
Thanks for bumping the thread Bingowings, as it's reminded me that there's been a heap of 3D-related news lately that I really must find time to add here soon.
vaderios said:
I did it! What now? :P
Lol, I accidentally posted that, but I'll get back about it and a few other things soon.
Deleted post - oops, accidently posted something else I was still drafting up, by accident. I'm too tired at the moment it seems! :)
Deleted post - sorry about that, I posted something accidentally!
Lord Grievous said:
Here we go again :)
Well vaderios did ask for some feedback on something, and there's another thing he pointed out that I'm keen to confirm as being doable or not. So I'm not ready to move onto the 'Dagobah' stuff I want to go into yet. Feel free to bring up any other scenes you'd like to discuss in the meantime, however.
adywan said:
I'm not going to be adding anything to the doors or behind them. I'm going to keep this shot exactly the way it always has been. It makes more sense to me that the chamber would be just off from the bridge control room.
Good to have a confirmation on this, one way or the other adywan. Even though this is how I always saw it, I'm pleased that thanks to certain things brought up here recently, that I'll no longer see things happening in *real-time* onscreen anymore, which I've still to go into. PM reply sent, by the way.
vaderios, thanks for showing that neat mock-up of the'missing' black 'hologram' prop back there. When I've more time, I'll be going into some thoughts on your shot and a few other things too, that you've brought up recently. :)
Bingowings said:
Maybe it's a HD 3D sampler disc to promote the television sets and get everyone primed for the theatrical run.
Now that's an interesting speculation Bingowings, and one I'd certainly not thought of. And I'm certainly curious about the 'Panasonic' stand link...
corellian77 said:
My 2¢: I like the idea of either an antechamber or elongated hallway. Either serves to make Vader's meditation room seem more isolated and imposing, and therefore threatening.
I wish I could remember what Ady said on the subject, alas 865 pages worth of information is a lot to keep track of.
corellian77, turns out that recent link to Bingowing's own thoughts on the issue ended up pinpointing the pages showing everything that was said at the time on the subject.
Seems it was first brought up by vaderios way back on page 267...and the various viewpoints for-and-against the 'meditation chamber's entrance' shot being made to look more 'isolated' from the 'bridge' went back-and-forth over the course of 10 pages until page 276!
Here are adywan's 3 responses on the issue at the time, from pages 267, 268, and 273 respectively, which I couldn't recall properly either, but may clarify things a little for everyone -
adywan said:
i don't think this needs changing, wouldn't it make better sense if this chamber was close to the bridge instead of being deep within the bowels of the ship? I can't help thinking of the scene in spaceballs if Vader needed to get to the bridge in a hurry if he was so far away from it in his chamber. lol
adywan said:
i,m actually in two minds about this now. i'm starting to like the idea of having it a bit more isolated. hmmm, what to do. lol
adywan said:
as for vaders chamber, i do like the corridor idea abut not an airlock or lift. He wouldn't need a sterile environment so his wounds wouldn't get infected because they would have healed after all this time. i've always thought that the actual meditation unit had some sort of inbuilt force field protecting Vader when he has his mask off and that his breathing apparatus was linked into it's systems which would allow him to have his mask off for short periods of time. i won't be doing any changes to that apart from the entrance.
However, just *how much* things will change in the shot remains to be seen, but for anyone wishing to see what was discussed at the time, here's where it started on page 267 - http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-V-REVISITED-EDITION-ADYWAN-CHRISTMAS-CLIP-NOW-AVAILABLE/post/348536/#TopicPost348536 , before it ended up being resumed on page 863 a couple of pages back.
sluggo and doubleofive - thanks for re-posting that behind-the-scenes exterior shot of the guarded 'chamber' entrance recently, by the way...as that helped me at the time (along with certain comments) to work out the new way I am now going to look on this whole scene in future...so that things can make total sense 'time-wise' to me by the time we cut to the full shot of Vader later descending from the direction of the 'chamber', without it seeming jarring. And the lucky thing for me is, it can still work whether adywan changes the background of the existing shot of Piett's entrance, or not... :)
I'll go into that properly, to see what others think, when I have enough time soon. In the meantime, I thought I'd post these for anyone here that hasn't seen them yet, as I love the camera-angles and details shown in them -
zombie84 said:
As much as reading that gave me a headache I am actually kind of curious where he got that understanding from. Is there some young earth creationism school of thought for home video now or something?
The notion of total 'digital removal' of original grain becoming a 'preferred' look by some is bad enough...but I'm gonna call it a day if someone ever seriously demands somewhere that every future blu-ray should have the current over-used trend for 'tinted' blue/'teal'/'orangy' hues too! ;)
auximenies said:
BTW, I think the significance of describing the announcement as "most impressive" is nothing other than using a quote from the films in order to be "clever".
This is exactly how I read that marketing statement too, and reckon it's going to mainly be a fanfare to announce the official release date for the blu-rays. With perhaps some detail on some of the extras being mentioned too.
I doubt there'll be any mention of any 3D blu-ray versions at this point, until the cinema releases are done with first...and at that point, I wouldn't be surprised if some manufacturer or other was indeed then given a 'limited monopoly' over them for a while (just as Panasonic has with 'Avatar' for the time being), thus delaying it from being available to everyone else who buys the 'wrong' 3D TV from other manufacturers...
Just for the record, I'm highly impressed with Panasonic's 3D TV range, even if I don't like their exclusive control over 'Avatar's 3D blu-ray for anyone else.
I've really liked a few examples of Tyler Scout's 'cluttered'-looking 'mondo'-style illustrations in the past, and I've just come across these ones that he's done of the Original Trilogy. I reckon they'd make a neat set of covers, so take a look -
Click here for far bigger versions showing all the details - http://geektyrant.com/news/2010/12/29/awesome-final-star-wars-trilogy-posters-from-mondo-tees.html
The Golden Idol said:
Cibernite said:
If you look at Vader, His cape is on his back and not on his shoulders like it usually is. Which means he did something while his ship was being positioned. It would look out of place if you just cut to him just about to stand on the pedistal.
This made me notice a continuity error. When Vader kneels down to speak to the Emperor, his cape is on his back with his shoulder pads exposed. However, in the next shot, his cape is over his shoulders. This change occurs in a matter of seconds.
Cibernite, nice spot there, which is something I never noticed before. :)
But, while there's certainly a little re-positioning of his cape now to being more 'swept back' and more 'off the shoulders' by the time we cut to Vader descending the 'chamber' prop, compared to when we last saw him address the 'hologram' officers and Piett...I'm happy to imagine that any difference can be accounted for by whatever other movements he makes unseen by us during the rest of his journey to the 'chamber' room, once he'd gone briskly around the corner to get to it.
So a direct cut to him *just-as-he-goes-to* step on the pedistal/'holo-pad' wouldn't really make for any more of an objectionable difference in his 'look' when we see him here, than is already seen when he currently descends the 'chamber' prop, I'd say, once we cut to him again after the Executor shot, where my 'real-time' scenario is concerned. As The Golden Idol suggested, there's plenty of slight differences in the cape between various shots here (and elsewhere) anyway, but they aren't a problem for me, and it doesn't change how I normally view this overall scene in any way.
However...having re-read everything from page 860 onwards, to review the various points that have been brought up so far, about several things...I've now picked up on certain points that I didn't before, and there's also been a couple of additional comments that have given me food for thought on another way to look at these scenes overall, which I equally like.
Unfortunately, my long-suffering wife has reminded me that we have things to do shortly, and she's already been pretty tolerant of the time I've spent online recently...so the various posts I'd like to respond to (and alternative scenario that I'd like to go into), will all have to wait until I get enough time to spend on them properly. Just to say that there's been a couple of things suggested recently that have really helped me to make possible sense of a couple of things throughout these scenes now, *whichever* way I end up looking at them in future...and I'm really pleased about this. :)
Radi0n said:
Screen 1 shows the circular prop just behind the officer on the right.
Shouldn't that mean that on the second screen, the prop is situated behind that officer as well, just outside of screen?
You'd expect that to be the case, except I meant to say that I've never been sure that the 'holograms' in shot 2 are actually in the right position to match where they are seen in shot 1 to begin with...
And while I remember, here's something else I've been meaning to bring up adywan, and I've included a few shots for easier judging -
Do you reckon that the black, circular 'hologram' prop seen in shots 1, 3, and 4 is actually missing from shot 2, or not?
Should we still be able to see a little bit of it, or not? Or has shot 2 just been filmed from a deceiving angle?
1.
2.
3. (this shot and the one below are from later on when Needa is choked, for comparison)
4.
vaderios said:
So that leads why vader went from his chamber to the spot and didnt came directly from the door . Its like entered the door, entered the chamber, came out from the chamber to push the big button on the floor.
Okay vaderios, here's the stuff I wanted to bring up about the Vader/'chamber' shot...so just to recap, here's how it currently fits into the flow of the movie -
Vader quickly rounds the corner at the end of the 'control room' section that's just beyond the 'bridge'...
...then we immediately cut to the Executor moving out of the asteroid field...
...then we immediately cut to Vader descending the steps of his 'meditation chamber', as he walks towards the smaller, circular prop...
...then we immediately cut to the Emperor's 'hologram' appearing...
Some thoughts on all this -
Firstly, I've always preferred to think of the entrance to the 'meditation chamber'/'hologram' area as being *just around the corner* from the 'control room'...so that Vader is always close to the the 'action' and 'running' of the 'bridge' when he's aboard. And these particular shots below always give me that impression, as they seem to work reasonably well with this notion -
Here's the end section of the 'control room'...
...and here's a different view of it later in the movie, where we see Vader go down some steps just around the corner of the same set...
...and this earlier shot of Piett below shows how the steps outside the guarded entrance could be regarded as being the ones that Vader goes down in the shot above... (and Veers is picked up off the floor by 2 guards near the area shown in the shot above, which ties in the guarded door shot shown below, too)...
Unfortunately, I don't have the 'behind-the-scenes' pic of the the outside of this 'guarded doorway', that was posted here a while back...as it gave a good idea of the distance down that the doorway is positioned away from the start of the stairs - my point being that I've always been fine with 'imagining' that the entrance to the 'meditation chamber' is therefore situated somewhere immediately behind where Vader is standing here, in this shot below...as the 'chamber's surrounding room dimensions could plausibly fit down there just fine, behind and below this section of the set...
...and another reason why I've always liked the notion of Vader's 'meditation chamber' being situated *near-at-hand* to the main action of the 'bridge' and 'control room', rather than much further away somewhere...is that when we cut away from the shot of him quickly turning the corner...and then transition to the shot of the Executor moving out of the asteroid field for a few seconds afterwards...it just *seems* when watching the movie, that there's been just enough time for him to have briskly gone down the steps around the corner and entered the area where the 'chamber' is, in 'real-time'...by the time we cut back to him...
However, I acknowledge that a different thing that can be 'imagined', is to look on the cut to the Vader/'chamber' shot as being a sort of *jump-ahead-in-time* moment...which occurs some unknown time after we've seen the shot of the Executor move out of the asteriod field...giving the impression that Vader walked further away from the 'bridge' to reach his 'chamber'/'holograph' room... Not that I prefer this alternative myself, although it can work too I reckon. Having said that, the current view seen outside of the 'chamber' doorway during Piett's entrance doesn't necessarily need to be altered, for anyone that wants to 'imagine' that the room is located further away from the 'bridge' after all...
But the MAIN thing I want to bring up here is this: as you mentioned vaderios, the way the shot is currently filmed gives the impression that Vader is coming down from the direction of the 'chamber' itself, for some unknown reason, before he addresses the Emperor... It's something that kinda makes my preferred way of 'imagining' this overall sequence playing out in 'real-time', a bit off...as the Executor shot would have needed to go on just a little longer to allow plenty of time for it to work better...because Vader looks as if he *did something* (?) inside the 'chamber' first, and would have needed just a little more time to do so, in 'real-time' onscreen. This doesn't make me want to change the way I prefer to 'imagine' the 'close' position of the 'chamber' in the general layout, though...but I accept that the alternative idea that it's a little *jump-ahead-in-time* moment due to the 'chamber' being somewhere further away...probably works better to allow for the extra time needed for Vader to go into the 'chamber' and come out again, that the existing shot implies...
...which is why I'd have liked it to have been cut slightly differently in the first place...to resemble something more like the way I've shown below. Now I know it's sacrelige to suggest removing even one single frame of ESB, lol...but in this case it would have certainly helped with putting Vader into a more likely position in the 'chamber' surroundings, to match my preferred 'real-time' layout...by the time we cut back to him after the Executor shot! -
Vader quickly rounds the corner of the 'control room' section as normal...
...then we cut to the Executor as normal...
...but we now cut to show Vader only *just about* to step onto the smaller, circular prop...rather than having him descend from up on the 'chamber' prop first...so that it instead *seems* like he walked directly over to it, once he entered the 'chamber's surroundings... (there would be a brief, minimal loss of 'music score' at this point, of course, that would need to be smoothed to fit)...
...we then cut to the Emperor's 'hologram' appearing as normal...
On the other hand, it's a reasonably iconic shot of Vader I guess (aren't they all?), and gives a good angle of the 'chamber' prop...so I can understand if adywan and others would hate it to be tampered with. Thing is, I always 'imagined' that the 'holograph' transmission only came on once the smaller, circular prop was 'activated' by Vader stepping/kneeling on it...although the full Vader/'chamber' shot gives the *impression* that Vader did something else in the 'chamber' first, before descending...
Did he have to 'activate' the smaller, circular prop from the 'chamber' itself first , before it would work? Or might he have had to give some 'command' or other to someone on his 'viewscreen', first, before switching it off again? I'm interested to hear what anyone else thinks Vader might have been plausibly doing, before addressing the Emperor...that makes sense in the context of how this existing shot was filmed...
ray_afraid said:
As for what I'm most looking forward to, it would have to be the part between the opening crawl and the end credits. Can't wait to see what Ady's done there.
I'm sure that would be most people's most anticipated bit, lol.
TML said:
I'm curious to see how the Luke/Vader duel turns out.
Ah, interesting choice.
