ImperialFighter

Okay vaderios, there were a lot of different (and sometimes confusing) comments to do with the whole 'Emperor's hologram' scene that cropped up, and lasted for several pages from page 860 onwards...but I've now found some time to get back to you on a few things about it. 

However, since the full 'Emperor' clip has just been previewed, it's now okay for me to add a few extra thoughts on it too.  So I'm re-writing some things I'd started to type earlier, and will to need to split them over seperate posts, as things will get too confusing if I try go into them all in a single post. 

Here's the first thing then -

(on page 866) vaderios said:

Ady I ve noticed some variance that might be interesting.

ImpFighter i want your input here if you want :)

In the first image (i brighten it up in purpose) you can see before the holo appeared a different pattern on the wall.. That have two rentagle holes.

I tried think what would be more easy. adding a similar pylon like the rest of the others to that spot or make the back walls like they should be?

Assuming that not only one pylon with that pattern would be present thats why i ve made 2. Maybe i'm wrong and its only one.

Fancy that this room is full of surprises and variations

For the more radical ones the double rentagles might be the emitters of the holograms :P ;)

To recap, I've accepted that the 're-used' set that was used for both the current 'chamber' shots and the 'hologram' shots DON'T give a good enough impression that it's meant to be one big circular (or oval) room, unfortunately...due to the angles it's been filmed at...but thanks to some recent comments, I'm now fully onboard with the notion of *imagining* that the onscreen footage shows an almost '8'-shaped room instead...as this makes more sense of how the footage looks.

And my own preference would be for the walls around both 'sections' of this *imaginary* '8'-shaped room to remain a little different to each other...to help sell this notion as much as possible. 

So while it was an interesting idea vaderios, I'd have to say that I wasn't too keen on your proposal to make the 'pillars' behind the front-facing 'hologram' have two 'slits' on them instead of one...as this would have the effect of making them too similar to the ones at the back of the 'other' section where Vader's 'chamber' is...

So, my own preference was to keep to the current single 'slits' seen on the surrounding 'pillars' at the back of the 'hologram' shots...

...so that it's back wall would remain different from the back wall of the 'chamber' shots, where the 'pillars' seen either side of the 'viewscreen have two 'slits'...

However, the fact remains that we can briefly see that the 'pillar' on the right-hand side of the current shot below, actually shows two 'slits', just before the 'hologram' appears...

...but I'm pleased to see that the two 'slits' are effectively obscured in adywan's version...so things tie together better now with the back of the wall that's seen during the front-facing 'hologram' shots! :)

Nice job 005. :)

The new 'asteroid collision' shot looks terrific now, and it's just a pity the powers-that-be ended up losing the Executor's underneath detail, due to the crushed blacks.  The shot still looks great now though.

adywan said:

And ImperialFighter, the emperor scene has changed a little more since i sent you that pic

Excellent, in that case I'll remove it and await 005's comparison from the finished version.

doubleofive said:

I'll get a comp together in a few hours, hopefully.

Ah, we overlapped posts when I added those shots 005.  But I look forward to your comparison which will include the original too, as I'll add it to my 'round-up' shots.

Loconut, I was intending to say that your 'eyesore' was a nice little spot, lol.  I'd never noticed that before. :)

Wow adywan, you must be in a really good mood today, as it's not even the end of the month yet. :)

I wasn't expecting you to show this before the release, but I think everyone will agree that it looks (and sounds) awesome!

I was actually in the middle of drafting up some comments to do with a few things you previously brought up about the 'hologram' shots vaderios...but now I can also go into a few other things now that this final version is out there. :)  

YAY for the added 'chamber' step, and the alteration to the left of the frame behind it means that the '8'-shaped room thing works perfectly now with the footage we see previously!

ChainsawAsh said:

It's my understanding that it's a dark science fiction film taking place in the same universe as the Alien films, set years before the first Alien film.  It's not a "prequel" per se in that it isn't directly connected to the events of the main series.

It was implied that the origins of both the 'xenomorphs' and 'space jockey' would be revealed in the 2 prequels that were originally planned.  But with this latest 'Prometheus' proposal, there's a possibility that both these elements will remain a mystery now, if they even feature at all...

I'm interested to see if this will be the case...but if it is, then I sure hope some inferior, hack director isn't given the opportunity to follow-up this latest movie of Ridley's with the actual 'explanations' of how they came about...

I'll always wonder how Nolan's take on a 'Riddler' storyline might have panned out...

ImperialFighter said:

Monroville said:

One thing that I was really tense over was those scenes I mentioned earlier regarding the last ALIEN dvd release (concerning the "Brett looking for Jonesy in the cargo room" and most of the Alien scenes - the prior had a copper wash over the entire image and most if not all of the Alien scenes had a desaturated blue wash over the image). 

Thankfully, Ridley must have reconsidered these changes, as the copper and blue tints are gone, and ALIEN looks proper with a natural color timing.

Great!  I really must get a hold of the blu-ray set after all, now you've confirmed that the more 'natural' colour of the previous releases has been restored somewhat to the 'theatrical' cut of ALIEN.  That's made my day! :)

Oh wait...just to clarify, did you mean the blu-ray's colours are more like the dvd's colours ALL the way through now...or just these few scenes you've mentioned above?

Bingowings said:

He may be more famous for that in America but for the rest of the world he had already achieved immortality for...

Awsome clip, lol.  And now his dulcet tones are currently back on tv over here! -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_HMrOd2_QI  :)

haljordan28 said:

I would just like to say to Lucas  that you  can't take  money with you  when you die.  The only  true thing you  can take with you  is that which you  leave behind.  A legacy,  a body of work  and he went from being hailed  as a genius and master  film maker  to being ridiculed and  laughed at it.  He ruined his legacy  and his  reputation all for what? A few extra bucks.

There was plenty of spectacle on show throughout the prequels, so I wouldn't say that the problem was a lack of bucks spent by GL on them.  Other issues turned out to be the main problem with the disappointing results.

And also, compared to some wealthy folks on this planet, I don't think he's entirely deserving of his money-grabbing tag -  http://blog.moviefone.com/2010/08/05/george-lucas-to-donate-half-his-money/

Diego said:

Surprising to say the least, since I remember rumors that he wasn't too happy to have been part of the prequels.

Unexpected to be sure, but rather than being unhappy about being part of the prequels when initially asked, I reckon he was probably more unhappy about how they turned out...

I've never bothered with any of these CGI episodes before (or even the movie!), but may catch them one day out of curiosity.  I did like the look of the earlier, short, stylized, animated Clone Wars cartoon series however. 

TV's Frink said:

I can't ever get past the voices on PAL.  It's just not what I'm used to.

As I'm from PAL-land, they'll sound just perfect to me. :)

It's always good to have the option of both though.

Great news that this is imminent for everyone soon Jambe.  Well done, and your extra features sound neat too!

Monroville said:

 

One thing that I was really tense over was those scenes I mentioned earlier regarding the last ALIEN dvd release (concerning the "Brett looking for Jonesy in the cargo room" and most of the Alien scenes - the prior had a copper wash over the entire image and most if not all of the Alien scenes had a desaturated blue wash over the image). 

Thankfully, Ridley must have reconsidered these changes, as the copper and blue tints are gone, and ALIEN looks proper with a natural color timing.

Great!  I really must get a hold of the blu-ray set after all, now you've confirmed that the more 'natural'-looking colour of the previous releases has been restored somewhat to the 'theatrical' cut of ALIEN.  That's made my day! :)

Regarding the very interesting ALIEN REDUX:THE VIRTUAL WORKPRINT (alternatively known as ALIEN APPENDIX #2), I agree that the short shot of Kane's legs struggling violently was really neat.  Pity it was cut from the final version.  There's a few other really nice little shots that I wished Ridley had used in his 'theatrical' cut to begin with, including a brief couple from his 'Director's Cut', but there you go.  And just to repeat that all the other ALIEN APPENDIX material can be accessed on the newly re-vamped Fanedit.org site by going into the Preserv heading on the home page, then going to the Artists section on the right-hand side that comes up.  Remember to click on the 'Older Posts' that come up at the bottom of some of these featured faneditor's lists, as there's a lot more to be found on other pages.

And I note that Ridley Scott has moved from potentially doing 2 ALIEN prequels, to making something that only 'references' his original ALIEN in certain small ways.  It will be interesting to see just what he has up his sleeve now with his 'PROMETHEUS' movie, and I wonder if the 'space jockey' is going to end up remaining a mystery after all...

http://www.deadline.com/2011/01/ridley-scott-directing-prometheus-for-fox-noomi-rapace-locked-while-angelina-jolie-and-charlize-theron-circling-2nd-female-lead/ 

I'm kinda nervous about the Angelina Jolie possibility, however...

Harmy said

 

I really hope he does that, I was checking ANH:R right now and comparing it to Ady's AVCHD colours and ANH:R looks almost black and white compared to the AVCHD colours, which was also corrected by Adywan and the colours there are beautiful IMO, so it would be great if he took the same approach to the colour correction as he did with the AVCHD.

 

 

And also, as it seems my previous post got kinda lost, how about only making a selectable soundmix, which wouldn't feature the added music?

 The Aluminium Falcon said:

I agree with you.  The AVCHD colours do look much better; Revisited seems a bit too desaturated.

One of the things I personally loved about 'Star Wars:Revisited' was it's somewhat 'stylized' colouration when it came to the 'Death Star's interior sets.  It's deliberately 'grey' pallette was certainly a big improvement over the SE dvd colours, and I thought it really suited the look of the 'Death Star'.

However, when adywan eventually gets around to his next version of it in a few years, it seems he will indeed be re-colouring certain things differently, as he mentions in this interview which you may have missed - http://doubleofive.wordpress.com/ganamaes-interview-with-adywan/

I haven't seen the AVCHD, but the comparison shot above looks good too, and I'm sure things will look terrific, whatever is done.  As far as the added music during the Vader/Ben duel was concerned...I'd have to say that it was one of my absolute favourite enhancements to his edit, and a very bold idea.  I see there's been recent suggestions for different versions of that music to be used instead, and I can see how that might be equally good too...but mainly I just love the fact that there was such a neat piece of music used over the scene in the first place. 

According to that interview above, it seems that adywan is considering going back to silence during the duel.  Time will tell, but I always loved how most of the movie seemed to be filled with John Williams score throughout so much of it, and I reckon this scene benefits from having some too.  After being used to hearing how things sound in 'Revisited' for so long, I just find the original scene lacking without a musical accompanyment now.

Just my own 2 cents on that. 

Radi0n said:

I definitely like Monro's idea.
Sounds natural as is, and that's what it should have looked like, judging from Luke's split second reaction. 

I quite like the idea of this right-arm 'swipe' too, for the 'replacement' Wampa shot.  I'm curious to see if adywan keeps to more of a 'forward lunge' with both claws, as in the original, or not.  I guess the shot that comes immediately after that shot will help to determine it's posture in the shot before it.  I don't have a screenshot at hand for after the Wampa's 'lunge forward', but if you watch the footage, we then see the left-hand side/and back of the Wampa in front in 'close-up' nearest to us, as Luke goes to make his sudden strike with his lightsaber.  Can't wait for the 'behind-the-scenes' Wampa details on the 'extras' disc!

adywan said:

As i have said before, i tried to place the background building in the correct position in respect to the previous SE shot but it really screwed with the flow of the composite.  I've added a 3D zoom into this shot and i love the way it turned out.  You need to see it in motion really.

I meant to say that this recent 'Bespin' screenshot is looking awesome with it's new CGI, clouds, roof detail, background buildings, and additional tiny cloud-car traffic in the distance.  Looking forward to seeing the '3D zoom' on this eventually.  Great stuff! :)

Asteroid-Man said:

Ady, is there a benefit to going 720 rather than 1080?

 I think he gave an indication of why on the previous page Asteroid-Man.

The Golden Idol said:

Here's a bit of an odd question, and I don't think it's been addressed previously:

When Luke's hand is cut off, his lightsaber shuts off as it (along with his hand) falls out of view. However, shouldn't it stay on? I don't think his severed hand shut it off on the way down the mine shaft. lol

Okay TGI, just for fun, here's my own take on this whole lightsaber issue, since you've brought it up - 

Firstly, I don't look on Liam Neeson's jokey, 'simplified' explanation in that Youtube clip as being accurate...as I don't like to think that the 'on'/'off' button on the handle *must* be pressed first whenever we see someone suddenly disarmed of a lightsaber that's then seen to 'switch off'.  That's not a very plausible explanaion.

What I prefer to think is that the 'on'/'off' button is just used whenever someone is wanting to 'switch off' their blade whenever they are done using it...and still in control of it, holding it.  And this includes Han.  And the button doesn't need to be held 'on'...but merely switched 'on' and 'off' when required.

But whenever we see an instance of a lightsaber being suddenly released from someone's grip, such as when Luke's one drops onto the gantry after he crashes through the 'Vane' window...or when Ben's one drops after he 'disappears' at the end of the duel with Vader...then there is just *some kind* of automatic 'safety' cut-off that then immediately kicks in, when it's released/dropped from someone's grip.

So what about this example you've brought up, where Luke's lightsaber is technically still *in the grip* of his lopped-off hand?  Well, the actual footage shows a large spray of sparks when this happens, due to Vader's lightsaber making contact with Luke's one at the same time as it cuts his hand off...so I always just look on Luke's lightsaber as being severely 'damaged' at this point, and that's why we see it 'shut off' in this particular instance...even though his hand is still holding it at this point!

However, when we see Vader throw his lightsaber at Luke, I just look on this as being an instance where he deliberately uses his 'Force' powers to keep his lightsaber fully-activated when he releases it...over-riding it's automatic 'safety' cut-off... 

ALTERNATIVELY, it can be equally *imagined* that it's possible to make the blade stay actived on releasing the lightsaber...if you deliberately press it to do so using, say, a quick 'double press' of the 'on'/'off' button, or something similar that allows it to...

Hope that helps a little.

Ripplin said:

I think Chewie's feet were "fixed" long ago*, but I could be mistaken.  I just checked the first post, thinking it had things that have been finished scratched off, but it doesn't.  Where am I thinking off?

I may be wrong Ripplin, but you could be thinking of GoodMusician's 'Suggestion Terminal' thread, where I started to gather a few things together myself at one point - 

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Adywans-ESB-edit-Suggestion-Terminal/post/387491/#TopicPost387491

I don't recall anything about a fix concerning Chewie's 'feet' being on it though...but I still hope to get around to adding a whole heap more of everyone's past/future suggestions to that, for easy reference for myself and others, sometime.

Ghostbusters said:

What frustrates me about all this is how long it is taking.

What do you expect?  The kind of quality work that adywan is doing on the original trilogy, and the sheer amount of it that is being done...takes time.

And as far as your recent comments on the ESB:R thread...as he previously stated, patience is needed for him to get around to replying to certain PM's too, considering everything that's going on in his life at present.  I'm amazed that he finds the time to actually take the time to reply to any PM's in the first place, considering the demands on his time these days.  I've no doubt that he gets heaps of them.

adywan said:

With the PT only being 720p so i can alter the portion of the frame that is seen, doing ROTJ:R in 720p would probably be a better option so that the whole saga is consistent. Plus this would give me a better option of using footage from the theatrical versions 9 unless a miracle happens and we get a theatrical version blu-ray or footage)so i can replace that god damn hayden monstrosity at the end.

I'm relieved you're leaning towards the 720p option now adywan, for the reasons you've outlined.  Consistency is good, and 720p is plenty of high quality, at the end of the day.

DMaarten said:

Oh if only there was a timemachine so we didn't have to wait 3 decades for the complete saga :)

I'd be surprised if adywan intended slaving over these for another 30 years yet...  As much as I'm keen to see what he eventually does to the prequels, I'm sure glad he started with the original trilogy!

skyjedi2005 said:

So i must be the only one in the world who has never owned a copy of revisited despite watching clips on youtube.  I had a question about this and Empire strikes back did Adywan fix the problem with the garbage mattes?

Absolutely, and you really need to try and get a hold of the dual-layer version of 'Star Wars Revisited' to appreciate the full glory of how things look (and sound) on his edit.

PaulisDead2221 said:

Have you found any use for cloud tank effects?  

They composite easily with a luma key and could be a great resource for nebula and other cosmic phenomena.

 

Gotta say that one of the best things about adywan's edits is the improved look of his starfields.  But this kind of effect is not one that I'd like to see done to the original trilogy's style of starfields, personally speaking.

adywan said:

There will be some differences because i can't recreate it 100% faithfully but it will be as close as possible.  But i won't be taking any suggestions for changes/ fixes for the HD version

adywan, I'm delighted that you've decided you'd like to do this one day, after all.  And while things are bound to end up looking a little different in places compared to the current edit...it's going to be an absolute treat to see some of the things that you hope to improve on, when you eventually get around to your 'Star Wars Revisited:Special Edition' HD version in a few years time.  And I hope you'll keep some of the specific details under wraps as usual! ;)

I certainly understand why you wouldn't want to open the floodgates to all the old issues of 'Star Wars Revisited' being brought up again, while your concentrating on the rest of the trilogy first...and since you already know what you want to include anyway.  However, I discovered the current edit just a little too late to be able to offer a few additional issues that were never brought up beforehand...and although I've never mentioned them to yourself or anyone else, I sure hope to get the opportunity to go into them at *some* future point, this time around, to see what you reckon.

Plenty of time before any of that though, as there's lots of other 'revisited' goodness to concentrate on for now...

TV's Frink, re:your new 'The Frink Thread Index'.  I look forward to having all those listings organised in one place for easy reference. :)

I was about to say so there, but realised that  maybe you should 'reserve' just a couple more post spaces in case you need them, before someone breaks things up with a comment...as I don't know if you'll exceed the 'character limit' with any of your link lists, or not. 

STAR WARS ** EP IV 2004 ** REVISITED ** ADYWAN ** 720p HD version coming 2016 **

Wait...what?!?

As if you haven't spoiled us all already. 

ImperialFighter said:

Unless of course, I've assumed too much again...  ;)

I'm guessing you missed this bit Warb?...