ImperialFighter

I've really liked a few examples of Tyler Scout's 'cluttered'-looking 'mondo'-style illustrations in the past, and I've just come across these ones that he's done of the Original Trilogy.  I reckon they'd make a neat set of covers, so take a look -

Click here for far bigger versions showing all the details -  http://geektyrant.com/news/2010/12/29/awesome-final-star-wars-trilogy-posters-from-mondo-tees.html

The Golden Idol said:

Cibernite said:

If you look at Vader, His cape is on his back and not on his shoulders like it usually is.  Which means he did something while his ship was being positioned.  It would look out of place if you just cut to him just about to stand on the pedistal.

This made me notice a continuity error. When Vader kneels down to speak to the Emperor, his cape is on his back with his shoulder pads exposed. However, in the next shot, his cape is over his shoulders. This change occurs in a matter of seconds.

Cibernite, nice spot there, which is something I never noticed before. :)

But, while there's certainly a little re-positioning of his cape now to being more 'swept back' and more 'off the shoulders' by the time we cut to Vader descending the 'chamber' prop, compared to when we last saw him address the 'hologram' officers and Piett...I'm happy to imagine that any difference can be accounted for by whatever other movements he makes unseen by us during the rest of his journey to the 'chamber' room, once he'd gone briskly around the corner to get to it.

So a direct cut to him *just-as-he-goes-to* step on the pedistal/'holo-pad' wouldn't really make for any more of an objectionable difference in his 'look' when we see him here, than is already seen when he currently descends the 'chamber' prop, I'd say, once we cut to him again after the Executor shot, where my 'real-time' scenario is concerned.  As The Golden Idol suggested, there's plenty of slight differences in the cape between various shots here (and elsewhere) anyway, but they aren't a problem for me, and it doesn't change how I normally view this overall scene in any way.  

However...having re-read everything from page 860 onwards, to review the various points that have been brought up so far, about several things...I've now picked up on certain points that I didn't before, and there's also been a couple of additional comments that have given me food for thought on another way to look at these scenes overall, which I equally like.

Unfortunately, my long-suffering wife has reminded me that we have things to do shortly, and she's already been pretty tolerant of the time I've spent online recently...so the various posts I'd like to respond to (and alternative scenario that I'd like to go into), will all have to wait until I get enough time to spend on them properly.  Just to say that there's been a couple of things suggested recently that have really helped me to make possible sense of a couple of things throughout these scenes now, *whichever* way I end up looking at them in future...and I'm really pleased about this. :)

Radi0n said:

Screen 1 shows the circular prop just behind the officer on the right.
Shouldn't that mean that on the second screen, the prop is situated behind that officer as well, just outside of screen?

You'd expect that to be the case, except I meant to say that I've never been sure that the 'holograms' in shot 2 are actually in the right position to match where they are seen in shot 1 to begin with...

And while I remember, here's something else I've been meaning to bring up adywan, and I've included a few shots for easier judging -

Do you reckon that the black, circular 'hologram' prop seen in shots 1, 3, and 4 is actually missing from shot 2, or not? 

Should we still be able to see a little bit of it, or not?  Or has shot 2 just been filmed from a deceiving angle?

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3. (this shot and the one below are from later on when Needa is choked, for comparison)

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vaderios said:

So that leads why vader went from his chamber to the spot and didnt came directly from the door . Its like entered the door, entered the chamber, came out from the chamber to push the big button on the floor.

Okay vaderios, here's the stuff I wanted to bring up about the Vader/'chamber' shot...so just to recap, here's how it currently fits into the flow of the movie -

Vader quickly rounds the corner at the end of the 'control room' section that's just beyond the 'bridge'...

...then we immediately cut to the Executor moving out of the asteroid field...

...then we immediately cut to Vader descending the steps of his 'meditation chamber', as he walks towards the smaller, circular prop...

...then we immediately cut to the Emperor's 'hologram' appearing...

Some thoughts on all this -

Firstly, I've always preferred to think of the entrance to the 'meditation chamber'/'hologram' area as being *just around the corner* from the 'control room'...so that Vader is always close to the the 'action' and 'running' of the 'bridge' when he's aboard.  And these particular shots below always give me that impression, as they seem to work reasonably well with this notion -

Here's the end section of the 'control room'...

...and here's a different view of it later in the movie, where we see Vader go down some steps just around the corner of the same set...

...and this earlier shot of Piett below shows how the steps outside the guarded entrance could be regarded as being the ones that Vader goes down in the shot above...  (and Veers is picked up off the floor by 2 guards near the area shown in the shot above, which ties in the guarded door shot shown below, too)... 

Unfortunately, I don't have the 'behind-the-scenes' pic of the the outside of this 'guarded doorway', that was posted here a while back...as it gave a good idea of the distance down that the doorway is positioned away from the start of the stairs -  my point being that I've always been fine with 'imagining' that the entrance to the 'meditation chamber' is therefore situated somewhere immediately behind where Vader is standing here, in this shot below...as the 'chamber's surrounding room dimensions could plausibly fit down there just fine, behind and below this section of the set...

...and another reason why I've always liked the notion of Vader's 'meditation chamber' being situated *near-at-hand* to the main action of the 'bridge' and 'control room', rather than much further away somewhere...is that when we cut away from the shot of him quickly turning the corner...and then transition to the shot of the Executor moving out of the asteroid field for a few seconds afterwards...it just *seems* when watching the movie, that there's been just enough time for him to have briskly gone down the steps around the corner and entered the area where the 'chamber' is, in 'real-time'...by the time we cut back to him... 

However, I acknowledge that a different thing that can be 'imagined', is to look on the cut to the Vader/'chamber' shot as being a sort of *jump-ahead-in-time* moment...which occurs some unknown time after we've seen the shot of the Executor move out of the asteriod field...giving the impression that Vader walked further away from the 'bridge' to reach his 'chamber'/'holograph' room...  Not that I prefer this alternative myself, although it can work too I reckon.  Having said that, the current view seen outside of the 'chamber' doorway during Piett's entrance doesn't necessarily need to be altered, for anyone that wants to 'imagine' that the room is located further away from the 'bridge' after all...

But the MAIN thing I want to bring up here is this:  as you mentioned vaderios, the way the shot is currently filmed gives the impression that Vader is coming down from the direction of the 'chamber' itself, for some unknown reason, before he addresses the Emperor...  It's something that kinda makes my preferred way of 'imagining' this overall sequence playing out in 'real-time', a bit off...as the Executor shot would have needed to go on just a little longer to allow plenty of time for it to work better...because Vader looks as if he *did something* (?) inside the 'chamber' first, and would have needed just a little more time to do so, in 'real-time' onscreen.  This doesn't make me want to change the way I prefer to 'imagine' the 'close' position of the 'chamber' in the general layout, though...but I accept that the alternative idea that it's a little *jump-ahead-in-time* moment due to the 'chamber' being somewhere further away...probably works better to allow for the extra time needed for Vader to go into the 'chamber' and come out again, that the existing shot implies...

...which is why I'd have liked it to have been cut slightly differently in the first place...to resemble something more like the way I've shown below.  Now I know it's sacrelige to suggest removing even one single frame of ESB, lol...but in this case it would have certainly helped with putting Vader into a more likely position in the 'chamber' surroundings, to match my preferred 'real-time' layout...by the time we cut back to him after the Executor shot! -

Vader quickly rounds the corner of the 'control room' section as normal...

...then we cut to the Executor as normal...

...but we now cut to show Vader only *just about* to step onto the smaller, circular prop...rather than having him descend from up on the 'chamber' prop first...so that it instead *seems* like he walked directly over to it, once he entered the 'chamber's surroundings...  (there would be a brief, minimal loss of 'music score' at this point, of course, that would need to be smoothed to fit)...

...we then cut to the Emperor's 'hologram' appearing as normal...

On the other hand, it's a reasonably iconic shot of Vader I guess (aren't they all?), and gives a good angle of the 'chamber' prop...so I can understand if adywan and others would hate it to be tampered with.  Thing is, I always 'imagined' that the 'holograph' transmission only came on once the smaller, circular prop was 'activated' by Vader stepping/kneeling on it...although the full Vader/'chamber' shot gives the *impression* that Vader did something else in the 'chamber' first, before descending... 

Did he have to 'activate' the smaller, circular prop from the 'chamber' itself first , before it would work?  Or might he have had to give some 'command' or other to someone on his 'viewscreen', first, before switching it off again?  I'm interested to hear what anyone else thinks Vader might have been plausibly doing, before addressing the Emperor...that makes sense in the context of how this existing shot was filmed...

ray_afraid said:

As for what I'm most looking forward to, it would have to be the part between the opening crawl and the end credits. Can't wait to see what Ady's done there.

 I'm sure that would be most people's most anticipated bit, lol.

TML said:

I'm curious to see how the Luke/Vader duel turns out.

 Ah, interesting choice.

vaderios said:

So indeed the officers are like stepping on the circular thing or next to it when they inform vader right?(probably next to it because they both are from the right side of it)

response -  to clarify, I reckon that Piett steps up onto the bottom step of the 'chamber's' base, and then is ever so slightly unsteady as he walks a couple of steps around it, due to the narrowness of the bottom step he's now on, and not looking down at. (I've rewatched the scene a few times now, and am reasonably sure this was the case...and if you watch where Vader descends the steps towards the 'hologram' area, you can get an idea of how the step is not very wide in relation to him)  As far as Veers is concerned, it's difficult to tell if he's standing on the bottom step of the 'chamber' or the floor.  However, I'm fairly convinced that neither of the actors stepped onto the smaller, circular prop during their scenes.

 

 

vaderios said:

So that leads why vader went from his chamber to the spot and didnt came directly from the door . Its like entered the door, entered the chamber, came out from the chamber to push the big button on the floor.

Flawless logic :P

Or it might be at the end the supposed deleted scene of ROTJ would be the previous shot of vader walks out of the chamber... who knows

response -  perhaps he was taking a quick 'toilet break' in there, before he addressed the Emperor?  Seriously, this is something else that I've been meaning to comment on, so I'm glad you brought it up.  It's no biggie at the end of the day, but I do have some thoughts on it that might interest you, and I'll sort out the relevant screenshots I need when I have time to go into it soon.

 

 

vaderios said:

Ady did you considered the idea of making the door leading to vader be longer and more isolate rather is next to a populate hall?

response -  I'm very curious to know if adywan's going to radically change this shot of Piett's entrance too...due to the fact that I reckon it ties in nicely with the steps we see Vader descending in a different shot, which are just around the corner from the 'control room' next to the 'bridge'...which I equally went into at length last year.  Coincidentally, I was actually going to mention this very shot of Piett's entrance too, when I get around to my thoughts on the Vader/'chamber' shot mentioned above...as there's something about it that may be relevant to what I'm going to suggest about that Vader/'chamber' shot.   :)

euroherbal, those were some interesting comparisons.  I hadn't even noticed this before, so it was a new one to me. :)  Personally, I can live with the same exact portion of the set being seen in both of the Emperor's 'hologram' views you showed, as the 'pylons and tubes' are a random mix of lengths and shapes, and managed to *seem* to look different to me in each shot...due to the fact that the shots are filmed from different camera angles.  Thankfully, due to that change of camera angle, and the random detailing of the wall set, I reckon the backdrop will continue to *seem* to be different between the 2 shots...without distracting me.  And I'm still happy enough to *believe* that the whole room could be a sort of '8' shape, rather than a big single circle or oval shape...as the wall seen in the 'side onwards' shot of the 'hologram' just doesn't look like it's able to convincingly wrap around the offscreen 'chamber' behind Vader in one continuous circle or oval, unfortunately.  Of course, it was never built properly to do so, it turns out...so this '8' thing works better for me overall.

And if you scroll back up to my large shot of the 'side onwards' view of the 'hologram', you'll see another good example of how the difference in colours between the SE version and the 'original' version is not even funny anymore...

As well as all that, I'd just like to remind everyone that you've still got about a month left to get a link to the marvellous, full 'Vader/Emperor' scene, if you can spare a little to donate towards the cause for adywan's various still-much-needed materials etc., at this point in time (click on the bottom link of adywan's 'signature' for details)

Just a thought, but I'm curious to know what's the most anticipated fix/addition or whole scene that people here are looking forward to seeing eventually.  Is it say, the new colour-correction overall?...or the new Wampa?...or finding out if adywan was just kidding about not making the AT-AT laserbolts green, or not?...  It's a tough choice to pick just one I reckon, but I'm going to choose the eventual 'Falcon/TIEs chase through the asteroid canyon' as being my most anticipated fix, as it was always the one truly disappointing effects scene in the movie for me, whenever I rewatched the movie over the years.  Not the way it was composed, but the really shoddy execution of it compared to the shots that came before and after it.  It's great to know it's getting a complete overhaul.  :)

Happy New Year everyone, and hello 2011!

Just to say that I've now added a few things to last night's post, in case you've already read it.

Okay, I've stuck all this together into a single post now so that's it's easy to scroll up and down to compare how things look at a glance.  Some of the proportions may not be perfect, but I reckon the general look of asterisk8's rough layout makes sense of things pretty well -

Due to the deceiving angles that the 'meditation chamber' and 'holographic' scenes were filmed at in certain shots (especially as seen in the large shot 16 below), I was never really sure if there was a reasonably plausible way of tying the set(s?) together logically as a single room, to make better sense of what's currently seen onscreen.

But as I mentioned yesterday, I'm now fully onboard with the notion that the room can indeed be 'imagined' to be an almost '8'-shaped area which is 'narrower' in the middle, and comprised of 2 roughly circular areas.  So here's a selection of some of the relevant shots which should help to remind everyone how things currently look, and which reasonably back up this '8'-shaped solution, if you choose to look at it this way.  Which I personally will, from hereonin, so thanks for that guys!  :)

1.  Let's start with the scene where Piett enters the area to glimpse the back of Vader's scarred head.  The doorway seems to be to the 'side' of the 'meditation chamber' in this view, and happens to be just out of shot in other certain shots of the 'chamber'.  The doorway section gives the impression that this side of the room may not be as 'circular' as the rest of the wall that surrounds the 'chamber', and that this area may not necessarily be symmetrical.  Alternatively, it could be 'imagined' that there may even be another , matching doorway on the opposite side (which we just don't see in any of the shots), and that the area here is perhaps symmetrical after all.  I prefer to look on it as just having a single entrance though.  It doesn't matter at the end of the day, as this half of the '8' shape is still roughly 'circular' overall, whichever way you look at it...

2.  ...Piett then has to turn to his left to walk around to the 'front' of the 'chamber'...and seems to take a step up onto what I reckon is the bottom step of the 'chamber' prop, before he eventually stops.  So the floor remains level throughout the imaginary '8'-shaped area...  (see shot 15 below for a decent look at the 'chamber's' overall base shape)...

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5.  ...and at this point he is just about fully facing the 'front' of the 'chamber'...  I'm okay 'imagining' that the background here represents a 'distant' portion of the back of the 'other' circular space where the 'hologram' appears.  (also see the Veer's 'close-up' in shot 11 below too, for another example)  Just a thought adywan, but although the background wall detail in these particular static 'close-ups' of Piett and Veers is already slightly 'out of focus' to begin with...perhaps adding slightly more of a 'blur' to them could further enhance this notion of it being the distant 'hologram' wall area even more?...  I'm content will things well enough here, if not though...

6.  ...and there's a 'direct onwards' view of the 'chamber'...and the 'viewscreen' is inset into the rounded wall directly behind it...

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8.  ...the edge of the 'viewscreen' can be seen here in this particular shot of Vader looking at Piett...

9.  ...and then there's another 'direct onwards' look at the 'chamber', which again doesn't reveal too much of the set's surrounding wall shape, so nothing is contradicted in this particular overall 'circular' area where the door positioning seen earlier is concerned...

Okay, here is the scene from earlier in the movie where Veers visited Vader -

10.  ...again, we see a 'direct onwards' view of the 'chamber', with the 'viewscreen' behind it...with just a hint of the surrounding overall 'circular' backdrop revealed...  And like Piett eventually does, Veers is standing somewhere at the 'front' of the 'chamber'... 

11.  ...and again, I'm okay with 'imagining' this backdrop to be part of the 'holographic' circular area in the 'distance' in front of the 'chamber'...

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14.  ...and Vader's centrally-located chair swivels around, as he turns to look at the 'viewscreen' that's on the wall that's directly behind the 'front' of the 'chamber' from this view..

And just for comparison's sake again -

15.  ...here's the shot of Vader when he approaches the smaller, circular platform that's positioned at the 'front' of the 'chamber'...and it's still easy to imagine that the 'doorway' is offscreen on the right of this shot, to tie-in with the Piett shots at the top...

16.  ...and here's the 'side onwards' shot again too, to confirm that it can just about be 'imagined' as being another circular area, and the 'other' half of the '8'-shaped room...

adywan, I read your answer about the darkness of the shot here, and that's fair enough.  However, if you *were* to add a 'hint' of the 'chamber's' lower step into the bottom left of the frame here, perhaps any white/grey 'shiny reflection' that's similar to the one on the smaller platform would make it stand out enough to be noticed?

Okay, that's my lot for this year folks, so I'd just like to take the opportunity to wish Jay and all the members of O.T.com a very happy New Year!  And I hope all goes well on the family front for you adywan, in the coming days.  The edit will be ready when it's ready, and definately be worth whatever the wait.  'SLANGE!' (raises glass)

Heh, I'm okay now with an 'imaginary' overall '8'-shaped meditation/hologram room to make the various scenes in the movie tie-in.  Especially after seeing the shape of the set in the behind-the-scenes shot.  And I'm in the middle of knocking up a few shots to show how that can work okay with the viewscreen and doorway etc., having looked at a few scenes now.

I'll post them when I get a chance.

euroherbal said:

If you look closely in the 5th photo of ImpFighter's sequence, you'll see the kneeling pad is INSIDE the verge of the black circle which has the med-chamber is in its middle.

So the BTS photo is not correct, as you can see in the hologram room still that the walls are reflecting on a "clear" floor (no trace of a dark circle).

The dark SE colours make it difficult to see it properly, but I reckon the 'reflective' floor seen in the behind-the-scenes pic will indeed be the same one filmed when we see Vader descending his chamber...and during the 'side onwards' shots of the hologram too. 

Here's a big version of the one of the 'side onwards' hologram shots for a clearer look - http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4872/starwars51954.jpg

Ah, I see what you were getting at now euroherbal, but I just think this doesn't work out either.  I don't believe the set wall gives any indication that the floor is actually on an incline when Vader initially steps down towards the smaller, circular prop.  It's just the shot panning down that may give that impression.  On top of this, I don't remember any of the other shots of Vader's 'chamber' supporting this notion either, whenever we see the set...

I'm not sure about your actual '8' shape either at the end of the day, but I've noticed something else to think about now...

You'll notice in adywan's behind-the-scenes shot that the 'light grey' circle on the floor is cirling behind Vader on the platform...but in the bottom shot on my previous post...the 'light grey' circle is circling in front of him.  Things have been moved around compared to how the behind-the-scenes shot is layed out...

I'm still finding it hard to decide if we should see the step in the 'side onwards' hologram shot, or not...even with that behind-the-scenes shot that adywan's just posted.  But I think so.  Here's the shots again, to compare things easier on this page.

Radi0n said:

EDIT: wouldn't that mean that, even with the camera angle being below ground level, the chamber base would definitely be visible in the side shot?

This is what makes that bottom 'step' more likely to be not too far away from the same height of the smaller, circular prop, I'd say.  Although it's hard to tell.  It just remains to be seen if adywan thinks it should be slightly seen in the 'side onwards' shots where the distance between the props is concerned, though.

vaderios - I think I see what you mean now that I've clicked on the large image link I posted on the previous page.  But, I think you're wrong if that's the case, as the detail on those wall 'pylons' is different all the way around.  I just think this one is meant to be similar to the detail that we see on the one that is behind the very front of the Emperor hologram in this shot.

euroherbal said:

Look closely, my friends: see how the bottom wall is at the beginning of a ramp? :) That's why we don't see the chamber's rim in the next shot: it's below eye level.

Mistery solved!!! :)

Not sure what you mean here exactly euroherbal.  But I've just noticed in the 3 top shots I showed on the previous page, that it looks like the whole of the bottom step of the 'chamber' prop is itself 'raised up' a little with an angled bottom section.  At the end of the day, the relative distance and height of the props to each other are a little easier to judge if you rewatch the footage a little. 

I'll happily accept whatever adywan's take on it is at the end of the day, though.  :)

vaderios, I've no problem with the overall look of the 'surrounding' wall in the 3 'side onwards' shots personally, as the whole room has an indeterminate shape to it throughout various shots anyway.  I'm content that the 'perspective' of those 3 'side onwards' shots give a good enough impression that it still 'surrounds' the 'chamber' that is somewhere behind Vader.

vaderios said:

I thought the same thing Imp Fighter.

Still, it might bethe pylon that is in front of the chamber that hides a big part of it.

Now if ady wishes to add some glimpses on the floor then i'm ok with that :)

vaderios - I don't look on the 'chamber' behind Vader as being obscured by a pylon in any way, in the 'side onwards' shots of him kneeling.  If you look at the very top shot in my previous post, the walls of the room are 'wrapped around' behind it, at the end of the day.

Ziz - you may be right, but I'm still not 100% convinced.  The angles are deceiving, but I think the gap between the 2 props might just allow for it to be seen in the 'side onwards' shots too.  I realise that the smaller, circular platform is raised a little, allowing for it's illumination below, but I don't think that it's raised so high that we wouldn't see a hint of the bottom step of the 'chamber' base in relation to it in the 'side onwards' shots.

I'm interested to see if adywan reckons the 2 props are far enough apart in the other shots, to make the 'side onwards' ones correct, or not.  A part of me still thinks it should be slightly seen in them however.

Well, having now seen the fully-enhanced EMPEROR/VADER clip, it's turned out to be the 'definitive' version by far, compared to the original and SE versions, as far as I'm concerned.  Simply brilliant work by adywan, and yet another enhancement that exceeds what I hoped for from this edit at the outset.

There is a little something that I've always intended to bring up about this scene eventually though adywan, although I'm not 100% certain if I'm correct about it or not.  See what you think -

Shot 1 -  When we first see Vader kneel on the circular platform prop, it seems to be positioned quite close to the base of the large 'chamber' prop behind him...

Shot 2 -  ...but when we cut to this viewpoint below (these are just SE version shots, by the way folks), it always seems to me as if we should be able to see a slight portion of the base of the 'chamber' prop in the bottom left-hand side of the frame... 

So my question is, do you think we should see a hint of the black 'chamber' base prop (with similar 'reflections' as the smaller, circular platform here), or not?  Or do you reckon the base is rightly 'offscreen' here, and that the gap is fine?  It's a static shot, so it should be possible to add a hint of the base fairly easily, if you think that a little of it should indeed be seen here.  This same static viewpoint is seen 3 times during the whole scene, by the way...

And here's a larger version of it for a clearer look -  http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4872/starwars51954.jpg

Shot 2 -  And here's another angle that shows the gap between the props, for you to judge it further.  As ever, it's best to see how things look from the shots in motion...

Heh, now that's an equally dark scenario ray_afraid...

I think on balance though, that I'd rather the origin/parentage of Anakin had been left unsaid and unrevealed onscreen, and left to the imagination as a mystery...no matter where anyone's imagination might lead them about it, lol.

Akwat Kbrana said:

I sincerely believe that none of those forum members I mentioned would ever leak the workprint if Ady asked them not to.

Hell, I doubt any of us would ever leak it even if adywan did ask us to!  :)

Anyway, nice to see this latest recognition of the movie -  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12085224

It's a toss-up whether this reasoning is any worse than the 'immaculate conception' origin for Anakin that GL gave us.  I'm torn...

But seriously, if I recall correctly, adywan is planning on not having Anakin build his mum a 'protocol' droid to begin with, for his eventual TPM:Revisited, which helps.  And I'm kinda hoping that he'll simply omit that part of the Qui-Gon/Shmi conversation, when the time comes.

adywan said:

They also removed my comments so i'm going to write one again.

Heh, this article you flagged up was some piece of work adywan.

I felt compelled to comment too, lol...which I did as 'DisappointedSWFan' on page 3 of the comments after it.  And I thought some of the points raised on the same page by commenter 'Andy Havens' were interesting...if not a little depressing, especially the reminders about how the whole 'Anakin's mum/birth' deal was handled.  (you know, Shmi's unlikely, unsatisfactory 'explanation' to Qui-Gon in TPM could also be interpreted as a complete 'lie' to Qui-Gon when he has the audacity to ask about it, lol.  At the end of the day, we don't get to know what 'kind' of slavery she's involved in, and maybe she didn't 'know' who Anakin's dad was...  And although there's been some comments about how a 'protocol' droid seemed an unlikely choice to help her out...it would be perfect for interpretive dealings with various alien unsavoury types on her behalf/Watto's behalf, if you get my meaning...  No, no, surely not...)

I meant to add my own sadness at hearing this news at the time, but got side-tracked.

Anyway, it's good to know that his most famous movie has just been announced as being amongst the latest ones that are being preserved for posterity by the US Library of Congress as part of it's National Film Registry -  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12085224

Couple of thoughts -  I take it that it's the PRE-SE version of ESB that they'll be preserving!  Also, since STAR WARS (again, I hope it's the original version...) has already been chosen for preservation, surely they can't miss out on the last chapter eventually?  I'm not sure that the prequels will get the same attention however...

kenkraly2007 said:

I agree with everyone here even though I sometimes don't and I think It is important to preserved the original theatrical cuts of the original star wars trilogy from 77-83 for histrionical reasons.

As if there hasn't been enough 'histrionics' over them...  ;)

Now I realise English may not be your first language ken, but I love that you agree with everyone here even though you sometimes don't...