ImperialFighter

vaderios said:

So indeed the officers are like stepping on the circular thing or next to it when they inform vader right?(probably next to it because they both are from the right side of it)

response -  to clarify, I reckon that Piett steps up onto the bottom step of the 'chamber's' base, and then is ever so slightly unsteady as he walks a couple of steps around it, due to the narrowness of the bottom step he's now on, and not looking down at. (I've rewatched the scene a few times now, and am reasonably sure this was the case...and if you watch where Vader descends the steps towards the 'hologram' area, you can get an idea of how the step is not very wide in relation to him)  As far as Veers is concerned, it's difficult to tell if he's standing on the bottom step of the 'chamber' or the floor.  However, I'm fairly convinced that neither of the actors stepped onto the smaller, circular prop during their scenes.

 

 

vaderios said:

So that leads why vader went from his chamber to the spot and didnt came directly from the door . Its like entered the door, entered the chamber, came out from the chamber to push the big button on the floor.

Flawless logic :P

Or it might be at the end the supposed deleted scene of ROTJ would be the previous shot of vader walks out of the chamber... who knows

response -  perhaps he was taking a quick 'toilet break' in there, before he addressed the Emperor?  Seriously, this is something else that I've been meaning to comment on, so I'm glad you brought it up.  It's no biggie at the end of the day, but I do have some thoughts on it that might interest you, and I'll sort out the relevant screenshots I need when I have time to go into it soon.

 

 

vaderios said:

Ady did you considered the idea of making the door leading to vader be longer and more isolate rather is next to a populate hall?

response -  I'm very curious to know if adywan's going to radically change this shot of Piett's entrance too...due to the fact that I reckon it ties in nicely with the steps we see Vader descending in a different shot, which are just around the corner from the 'control room' next to the 'bridge'...which I equally went into at length last year.  Coincidentally, I was actually going to mention this very shot of Piett's entrance too, when I get around to my thoughts on the Vader/'chamber' shot mentioned above...as there's something about it that may be relevant to what I'm going to suggest about that Vader/'chamber' shot.   :)

euroherbal, those were some interesting comparisons.  I hadn't even noticed this before, so it was a new one to me. :)  Personally, I can live with the same exact portion of the set being seen in both of the Emperor's 'hologram' views you showed, as the 'pylons and tubes' are a random mix of lengths and shapes, and managed to *seem* to look different to me in each shot...due to the fact that the shots are filmed from different camera angles.  Thankfully, due to that change of camera angle, and the random detailing of the wall set, I reckon the backdrop will continue to *seem* to be different between the 2 shots...without distracting me.  And I'm still happy enough to *believe* that the whole room could be a sort of '8' shape, rather than a big single circle or oval shape...as the wall seen in the 'side onwards' shot of the 'hologram' just doesn't look like it's able to convincingly wrap around the offscreen 'chamber' behind Vader in one continuous circle or oval, unfortunately.  Of course, it was never built properly to do so, it turns out...so this '8' thing works better for me overall.

And if you scroll back up to my large shot of the 'side onwards' view of the 'hologram', you'll see another good example of how the difference in colours between the SE version and the 'original' version is not even funny anymore...

As well as all that, I'd just like to remind everyone that you've still got about a month left to get a link to the marvellous, full 'Vader/Emperor' scene, if you can spare a little to donate towards the cause for adywan's various still-much-needed materials etc., at this point in time (click on the bottom link of adywan's 'signature' for details)

Just a thought, but I'm curious to know what's the most anticipated fix/addition or whole scene that people here are looking forward to seeing eventually.  Is it say, the new colour-correction overall?...or the new Wampa?...or finding out if adywan was just kidding about not making the AT-AT laserbolts green, or not?...  It's a tough choice to pick just one I reckon, but I'm going to choose the eventual 'Falcon/TIEs chase through the asteroid canyon' as being my most anticipated fix, as it was always the one truly disappointing effects scene in the movie for me, whenever I rewatched the movie over the years.  Not the way it was composed, but the really shoddy execution of it compared to the shots that came before and after it.  It's great to know it's getting a complete overhaul.  :)

Happy New Year everyone, and hello 2011!

Just to say that I've now added a few things to last night's post, in case you've already read it.

Okay, I've stuck all this together into a single post now so that's it's easy to scroll up and down to compare how things look at a glance.  Some of the proportions may not be perfect, but I reckon the general look of asterisk8's rough layout makes sense of things pretty well -

Due to the deceiving angles that the 'meditation chamber' and 'holographic' scenes were filmed at in certain shots (especially as seen in the large shot 16 below), I was never really sure if there was a reasonably plausible way of tying the set(s?) together logically as a single room, to make better sense of what's currently seen onscreen.

But as I mentioned yesterday, I'm now fully onboard with the notion that the room can indeed be 'imagined' to be an almost '8'-shaped area which is 'narrower' in the middle, and comprised of 2 roughly circular areas.  So here's a selection of some of the relevant shots which should help to remind everyone how things currently look, and which reasonably back up this '8'-shaped solution, if you choose to look at it this way.  Which I personally will, from hereonin, so thanks for that guys!  :)

1.  Let's start with the scene where Piett enters the area to glimpse the back of Vader's scarred head.  The doorway seems to be to the 'side' of the 'meditation chamber' in this view, and happens to be just out of shot in other certain shots of the 'chamber'.  The doorway section gives the impression that this side of the room may not be as 'circular' as the rest of the wall that surrounds the 'chamber', and that this area may not necessarily be symmetrical.  Alternatively, it could be 'imagined' that there may even be another , matching doorway on the opposite side (which we just don't see in any of the shots), and that the area here is perhaps symmetrical after all.  I prefer to look on it as just having a single entrance though.  It doesn't matter at the end of the day, as this half of the '8' shape is still roughly 'circular' overall, whichever way you look at it...

2.  ...Piett then has to turn to his left to walk around to the 'front' of the 'chamber'...and seems to take a step up onto what I reckon is the bottom step of the 'chamber' prop, before he eventually stops.  So the floor remains level throughout the imaginary '8'-shaped area...  (see shot 15 below for a decent look at the 'chamber's' overall base shape)...

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5.  ...and at this point he is just about fully facing the 'front' of the 'chamber'...  I'm okay 'imagining' that the background here represents a 'distant' portion of the back of the 'other' circular space where the 'hologram' appears.  (also see the Veer's 'close-up' in shot 11 below too, for another example)  Just a thought adywan, but although the background wall detail in these particular static 'close-ups' of Piett and Veers is already slightly 'out of focus' to begin with...perhaps adding slightly more of a 'blur' to them could further enhance this notion of it being the distant 'hologram' wall area even more?...  I'm content will things well enough here, if not though...

6.  ...and there's a 'direct onwards' view of the 'chamber'...and the 'viewscreen' is inset into the rounded wall directly behind it...

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8.  ...the edge of the 'viewscreen' can be seen here in this particular shot of Vader looking at Piett...

9.  ...and then there's another 'direct onwards' look at the 'chamber', which again doesn't reveal too much of the set's surrounding wall shape, so nothing is contradicted in this particular overall 'circular' area where the door positioning seen earlier is concerned...

Okay, here is the scene from earlier in the movie where Veers visited Vader -

10.  ...again, we see a 'direct onwards' view of the 'chamber', with the 'viewscreen' behind it...with just a hint of the surrounding overall 'circular' backdrop revealed...  And like Piett eventually does, Veers is standing somewhere at the 'front' of the 'chamber'... 

11.  ...and again, I'm okay with 'imagining' this backdrop to be part of the 'holographic' circular area in the 'distance' in front of the 'chamber'...

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14.  ...and Vader's centrally-located chair swivels around, as he turns to look at the 'viewscreen' that's on the wall that's directly behind the 'front' of the 'chamber' from this view..

And just for comparison's sake again -

15.  ...here's the shot of Vader when he approaches the smaller, circular platform that's positioned at the 'front' of the 'chamber'...and it's still easy to imagine that the 'doorway' is offscreen on the right of this shot, to tie-in with the Piett shots at the top...

16.  ...and here's the 'side onwards' shot again too, to confirm that it can just about be 'imagined' as being another circular area, and the 'other' half of the '8'-shaped room...

adywan, I read your answer about the darkness of the shot here, and that's fair enough.  However, if you *were* to add a 'hint' of the 'chamber's' lower step into the bottom left of the frame here, perhaps any white/grey 'shiny reflection' that's similar to the one on the smaller platform would make it stand out enough to be noticed?

Okay, that's my lot for this year folks, so I'd just like to take the opportunity to wish Jay and all the members of O.T.com a very happy New Year!  And I hope all goes well on the family front for you adywan, in the coming days.  The edit will be ready when it's ready, and definately be worth whatever the wait.  'SLANGE!' (raises glass)

Heh, I'm okay now with an 'imaginary' overall '8'-shaped meditation/hologram room to make the various scenes in the movie tie-in.  Especially after seeing the shape of the set in the behind-the-scenes shot.  And I'm in the middle of knocking up a few shots to show how that can work okay with the viewscreen and doorway etc., having looked at a few scenes now.

I'll post them when I get a chance.

euroherbal said:

If you look closely in the 5th photo of ImpFighter's sequence, you'll see the kneeling pad is INSIDE the verge of the black circle which has the med-chamber is in its middle.

So the BTS photo is not correct, as you can see in the hologram room still that the walls are reflecting on a "clear" floor (no trace of a dark circle).

The dark SE colours make it difficult to see it properly, but I reckon the 'reflective' floor seen in the behind-the-scenes pic will indeed be the same one filmed when we see Vader descending his chamber...and during the 'side onwards' shots of the hologram too. 

Here's a big version of the one of the 'side onwards' hologram shots for a clearer look - http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4872/starwars51954.jpg

Ah, I see what you were getting at now euroherbal, but I just think this doesn't work out either.  I don't believe the set wall gives any indication that the floor is actually on an incline when Vader initially steps down towards the smaller, circular prop.  It's just the shot panning down that may give that impression.  On top of this, I don't remember any of the other shots of Vader's 'chamber' supporting this notion either, whenever we see the set...

I'm not sure about your actual '8' shape either at the end of the day, but I've noticed something else to think about now...

You'll notice in adywan's behind-the-scenes shot that the 'light grey' circle on the floor is cirling behind Vader on the platform...but in the bottom shot on my previous post...the 'light grey' circle is circling in front of him.  Things have been moved around compared to how the behind-the-scenes shot is layed out...

I'm still finding it hard to decide if we should see the step in the 'side onwards' hologram shot, or not...even with that behind-the-scenes shot that adywan's just posted.  But I think so.  Here's the shots again, to compare things easier on this page.

Radi0n said:

EDIT: wouldn't that mean that, even with the camera angle being below ground level, the chamber base would definitely be visible in the side shot?

This is what makes that bottom 'step' more likely to be not too far away from the same height of the smaller, circular prop, I'd say.  Although it's hard to tell.  It just remains to be seen if adywan thinks it should be slightly seen in the 'side onwards' shots where the distance between the props is concerned, though.

vaderios - I think I see what you mean now that I've clicked on the large image link I posted on the previous page.  But, I think you're wrong if that's the case, as the detail on those wall 'pylons' is different all the way around.  I just think this one is meant to be similar to the detail that we see on the one that is behind the very front of the Emperor hologram in this shot.

euroherbal said:

Look closely, my friends: see how the bottom wall is at the beginning of a ramp? :) That's why we don't see the chamber's rim in the next shot: it's below eye level.

Mistery solved!!! :)

Not sure what you mean here exactly euroherbal.  But I've just noticed in the 3 top shots I showed on the previous page, that it looks like the whole of the bottom step of the 'chamber' prop is itself 'raised up' a little with an angled bottom section.  At the end of the day, the relative distance and height of the props to each other are a little easier to judge if you rewatch the footage a little. 

I'll happily accept whatever adywan's take on it is at the end of the day, though.  :)

vaderios, I've no problem with the overall look of the 'surrounding' wall in the 3 'side onwards' shots personally, as the whole room has an indeterminate shape to it throughout various shots anyway.  I'm content that the 'perspective' of those 3 'side onwards' shots give a good enough impression that it still 'surrounds' the 'chamber' that is somewhere behind Vader.

vaderios said:

I thought the same thing Imp Fighter.

Still, it might bethe pylon that is in front of the chamber that hides a big part of it.

Now if ady wishes to add some glimpses on the floor then i'm ok with that :)

vaderios - I don't look on the 'chamber' behind Vader as being obscured by a pylon in any way, in the 'side onwards' shots of him kneeling.  If you look at the very top shot in my previous post, the walls of the room are 'wrapped around' behind it, at the end of the day.

Ziz - you may be right, but I'm still not 100% convinced.  The angles are deceiving, but I think the gap between the 2 props might just allow for it to be seen in the 'side onwards' shots too.  I realise that the smaller, circular platform is raised a little, allowing for it's illumination below, but I don't think that it's raised so high that we wouldn't see a hint of the bottom step of the 'chamber' base in relation to it in the 'side onwards' shots.

I'm interested to see if adywan reckons the 2 props are far enough apart in the other shots, to make the 'side onwards' ones correct, or not.  A part of me still thinks it should be slightly seen in them however.

Well, having now seen the fully-enhanced EMPEROR/VADER clip, it's turned out to be the 'definitive' version by far, compared to the original and SE versions, as far as I'm concerned.  Simply brilliant work by adywan, and yet another enhancement that exceeds what I hoped for from this edit at the outset.

There is a little something that I've always intended to bring up about this scene eventually though adywan, although I'm not 100% certain if I'm correct about it or not.  See what you think -

Shot 1 -  When we first see Vader kneel on the circular platform prop, it seems to be positioned quite close to the base of the large 'chamber' prop behind him...

Shot 2 -  ...but when we cut to this viewpoint below (these are just SE version shots, by the way folks), it always seems to me as if we should be able to see a slight portion of the base of the 'chamber' prop in the bottom left-hand side of the frame... 

So my question is, do you think we should see a hint of the black 'chamber' base prop (with similar 'reflections' as the smaller, circular platform here), or not?  Or do you reckon the base is rightly 'offscreen' here, and that the gap is fine?  It's a static shot, so it should be possible to add a hint of the base fairly easily, if you think that a little of it should indeed be seen here.  This same static viewpoint is seen 3 times during the whole scene, by the way...

And here's a larger version of it for a clearer look -  http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4872/starwars51954.jpg

Shot 2 -  And here's another angle that shows the gap between the props, for you to judge it further.  As ever, it's best to see how things look from the shots in motion...

Heh, now that's an equally dark scenario ray_afraid...

I think on balance though, that I'd rather the origin/parentage of Anakin had been left unsaid and unrevealed onscreen, and left to the imagination as a mystery...no matter where anyone's imagination might lead them about it, lol.

Akwat Kbrana said:

I sincerely believe that none of those forum members I mentioned would ever leak the workprint if Ady asked them not to.

Hell, I doubt any of us would ever leak it even if adywan did ask us to!  :)

Anyway, nice to see this latest recognition of the movie -  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12085224

It's a toss-up whether this reasoning is any worse than the 'immaculate conception' origin for Anakin that GL gave us.  I'm torn...

But seriously, if I recall correctly, adywan is planning on not having Anakin build his mum a 'protocol' droid to begin with, for his eventual TPM:Revisited, which helps.  And I'm kinda hoping that he'll simply omit that part of the Qui-Gon/Shmi conversation, when the time comes.

adywan said:

They also removed my comments so i'm going to write one again.

Heh, this article you flagged up was some piece of work adywan.

I felt compelled to comment too, lol...which I did as 'DisappointedSWFan' on page 3 of the comments after it.  And I thought some of the points raised on the same page by commenter 'Andy Havens' were interesting...if not a little depressing, especially the reminders about how the whole 'Anakin's mum/birth' deal was handled.  (you know, Shmi's unlikely, unsatisfactory 'explanation' to Qui-Gon in TPM could also be interpreted as a complete 'lie' to Qui-Gon when he has the audacity to ask about it, lol.  At the end of the day, we don't get to know what 'kind' of slavery she's involved in, and maybe she didn't 'know' who Anakin's dad was...  And although there's been some comments about how a 'protocol' droid seemed an unlikely choice to help her out...it would be perfect for interpretive dealings with various alien unsavoury types on her behalf/Watto's behalf, if you get my meaning...  No, no, surely not...)

I meant to add my own sadness at hearing this news at the time, but got side-tracked.

Anyway, it's good to know that his most famous movie has just been announced as being amongst the latest ones that are being preserved for posterity by the US Library of Congress as part of it's National Film Registry -  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12085224

Couple of thoughts -  I take it that it's the PRE-SE version of ESB that they'll be preserving!  Also, since STAR WARS (again, I hope it's the original version...) has already been chosen for preservation, surely they can't miss out on the last chapter eventually?  I'm not sure that the prequels will get the same attention however...

kenkraly2007 said:

I agree with everyone here even though I sometimes don't and I think It is important to preserved the original theatrical cuts of the original star wars trilogy from 77-83 for histrionical reasons.

As if there hasn't been enough 'histrionics' over them...  ;)

Now I realise English may not be your first language ken, but I love that you agree with everyone here even though you sometimes don't...

GoldStone9 - I don't think it's listed on adywan's first post yet, so here's the Youtube clip - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt6E1-_vXQU

But just to remind everyone, there's still an 'exclusive' clip for any donator's before the end of January, which shows the complete 'Emperor/Vader' exchange.  See this post - http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-V-REVISITED-EDITION-ADYWAN-CHRISTMAS-CLIP-NOW-AVAILABLE/post/454858/#TopicPost454858

gurgle1624 said:

  What concerns me more than the body movement with Yoda, which I noticed but didnt really care about, is the scaling of the floating X-Wing as it advances towards Luke. It just seems that the scaling is off.

  Compare the size of the front landing gear as it advances towards Luke (using Luke as a size guide) and then as it actually lands in the close up shot next to Luke.

  Seems as if the X-Wing is smaller as it advances and then is its normal size as it lands, again using Luke as a guide.

   Either that or Ive just had to much eggnog tonite.

Can't say that I've ever had any problem with the scale of the X-wing in this shot myself gurgle1624, but I had a look at it seeing as you mentioned it.

Personally, I'm still satisfied that it does the job reasonably well, given it's kind of 'forced perspective' look, and I reckon the bottom shot is a better one to use as a comparison of Luke's size beside the X-wing prop, overall -

I'm sure looking forward to eventually finding the time to go into a few thoughts/possibilities to do with all the other 'Dagobah' stuff that's been mentioned here recently.

adywan said:

Yes, i will be erasing the engines.

Great.  Thanks for confirming that.  :)

adywan said:

ImperialFighter, the medical frigate is a bit of a problem.  It's going to be very hard to add the interior in the first shot.  I haven't given up hope but there aren't any shots of the interior from that angle that I could add the missing elements.  The shot that pans across from the falcon you can now see the droids in the window.  The outer edges of the window i don't know if you would see it or not from the inside at those angles.  I doubt i would be adding anything like that.

While it would be neat if anything at all could be done to enhance the first shot, then at least the removal of the 'glow' in the second shot would help match things, if it turns out not to be possible. 

However, it's awesome news that you've been able to include a glimpse of C3PO and R2 into the panning close-up of the window adywan!  :)

As far as the outside detail being slightly visible through the left-hand side of the full-scale window, I don't have any decent additional material to judge this properly.  But as Monroville mentioned, the outer detail is at a slant compared to the inset window, and I'm interested to see whatever savmagoett draws up eventually.

Can you also confirm if it's going to be possible to match the actual shape of the miniature's inset window with the angles seen on the full-scale one, or not?  (Monroville - that was certainly an interesting idea to alter all the full-scale shots instead, if not.  Angles that match the miniature instead would work I guess, although it seems an awful lot of work)

adywan said:

I have erased the galaxy/forming star from the first 2 shots as there is no way you'd see it that early.

Yet another neat improvement, as I don't have to imagine the Medical Frigate is kinda 'circling around it in some kind of distant orbit' between the shots anymore!  :)

HigHurtenflurst said;

Just a question from a curious observer...  Do you guys ever find that obsessive frame by frame nit-picking of a movie like this, and the incredible amount of knowledge you have of all the behind the scenes magic ever prevent you from simply losing yourself in the story?  Can you sit down, watch it from start to finish and lose yourself in it, or do you find yourself analyzing every little bit?

I've watched ANH:R many times now and love how all the little changes have made the SW world so much more vivid and real, and I expect even greater things from ESB:R and even so much more from ROTJ:R, but I don't have the level of involvement that you all seem to.  I can still lose myself in it.

So, just wondering if the movie is still magic for all of you, like when you were 10, or if it's more of an appreciation of the technical elements now?

Well, my own personal take on this is that I definately can and do still lose myself in the movie's story where ANH:R is concerned...and have no doubt I will be able to do the same with ESB:R eventually, once the final release is completed and out there.

However, like ANH:R when I first saw it, it will take a few viewings to get used to the shock of the new (and improved) ESB over the previous versions that I've been used to over the years, so that I get the distracting appreciation of all the new enhancements out of my system.

When I watch ANH:R now, I can watch it as if the movie was always this way, right till the end.  On the other hand, I'd find it difficult to watch either the original or SE versions now without being totally distracted...by all the little flaws and inconsistencies that adywan has touched up now!

So to sum up, it wouldn't be easy to immerse myself totally in ESB's story at the moment, if I was to watch the original or SE versions...but that's only because I've been involved in studying various scenes for inconsistencies for the time being.  Once adywan has decided enough's enough at some point, and is satisfied with what he's done, I know his version will become my preferred one without a doubt...and I'll eventually be able to watch it for the storyline without any major distractions, once I've gotten used to it.

And this process will be repeated with ROTJ:R onwards, hopefully.

But if ol' George had just gone ahead and released his original versions on DVD in a high quality way years ago, I'd have been none the wiser, and have continued to love the O.T. the way it used to look to me.  But ironically, his initial tinkering made me realise that he could have done so much better in many ways, when he tried to improve what I had already been very satisfied with.  Thankfully, a guy came along who actually managed to.  :) 

Here's the third thing -

Do you think there should be a slight hint of the 'miniature's outer protruding detail seen in Shot 1 added to the left of the full-scale 'window' seen in Shot 2, or not?  (I'm uncertain about this, but am interested to see if you reckon it would be visible at all, due to the angle that we see out of the full-size 'window' in Shot 2)

Shot 1 -

Shot 2 -

Here's how things look directly from the outside, which may help to decide if anything would show, or not...

...and here's a larger version so that it's clearer -  http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1145/starwars54453.jpg

Here's the fourth and final thing -

Is it going to be possible for you to add a glimpse of C3PO and R2 as seen in Shot 2 into the right-hand side of the miniature 'window' seen in Shot 1, even though it's a moving shot?

If so, due to the angle, do you reckon that we would see a portion of them both, or just R2?  C3PO is initially close to the edge of the full-scale 'window' in Shot 2, which matches where he's positioned when we eventually see him in Shot 3 below...

Shot 3 -

...but while R2 is situated in a spot where we'd likely see a portion of him in the miniature's 'window', I'm curious if you reckon we'd also see a little of C3PO's right arm, or not, from that angle...since he doesn't step nearer towards R2 until a little afterwards...

I'm looking forward to seeing if anything can be done with any of these things.

Here's the second thing -

Do you reckon you are going to be able to make the shape of the miniature's inset 'window' match the angles of the full-scale one, even though it's a moving shot?

Thanks for putting those 2 adywan interview links up doubleofive.

Some interesting snippets in them both.  :)

adywan, there's still a few things concerning the 'Medical Frigate' that I'm interested to know if you're planning to do something with, or not, but I'll need to go into them over 3 seperate posts to make things easier for me to describe properly -

Here's the first thing -

Shot 1 -  In this first series of screenshots showing the initial shot of the 'Medical Frigate' coming towards us, the 'window' bay is not 'lit' up...

Shot 2 -  ...but when we then immediately cut to this next shot below, the 'window' bay is 'lit' up now...

Shot 3 -  ...then we cut to this shot...

Shot 4 -  ...then we cut to this shot...

 Shot 5 -  ...then we cut to this shot...

Shot 6 -  ...then we cut to this shot...

Do you reckon you are able to give a hint of a 'light' glow to the 'window' that is currently 'greyed' out in Shot 1, so that it ties in with the glow we can see in Shot 2?  (I doubt that you'd be able to show a tiny C3PO and R2 at the 'window' of this moving shot...but then they haven't necessarily gone over to the window until a few moments later anyway, so it wouldn't matter, lol)  But a hint of a 'light' glow would be good at least, if possible.

Although my first choice would be to see a hint of 'light' added to Shot 1, you could alternatively just also 'grey' out the one seen in Shot 2 as well, so that it wouldn't be so jarring...and we'd then just focus on the 'lit' up 'window' by the time we get to see it properly in close-up in Shot 5.  See what you think.

vaderios said:

Also its me or its the same shot that were used in the both sequences? if yes ( you can see in the overlay image) shouldnt be different one from the other? its more foggy too!

 

If tho you can consider to do some changes to the second establishing shot (yes even its for 4 seconds) i would like have it a bit zoomed out so the Xwing have more path to travel to the ground.

vaderios, although I started to draft this yesterday after seeing your comparison shots, I've only had a chance to finish this post off today.  I'm a bit late to the party now it seems, but here's how I see this -

While the backgrounds in these 2 X-wing shots may be very similar (although not identical), I reckon they both still work pretty well overall.  Thing is, the level of the background in the 2nd shot is positioned lower down than in the 1st shot...giving the (proper) impression that the X-wing has travelled nearer to the shore during the cutaway to Yoda, having passed over the 'watery' area we see in the 1st shot...and this is why we (correctly) see only the 'foggy' area in the 2nd shot...

However, I reckon there's a questionmark to do with how far away the X-wing's starting position seems to be from Yoda's, Luke's, and R2's position here, compared to how close it seemed to be to them in some previous shots...  Depite this, the overall effect remains magical, of course.  :)

Anyway, I just wanted to add that I remember really liking this particular mockup below of yours at the time...even though I'd like see a slightly 'gloomier' look to it overall, to match the look of the original a little better.  (I think I'm right in thinking you grabbed a portion of the background 'set' from the shot where Yoda beckons back to Luke to follow him) -

I liked the extra 'reality' that the existing 'set' elements you used gave to the shot over the original painted matte.  But even if adywan only gives it a slight enhancement eventually, I've no doubt that his version will look better than than the current SE shot.  His recolouration alone will improve it, if nothing else.

adywan, good to see that you gave everyone an early christmas present of the Dagobah/Shuttle clip, as I was keen to see how you ended up finishing off that sequence, compared to the incomplete 'workprint'.  The subtlety of your Yoda blinks is wonderful throughout, and now that I can see something else you've cleverly managed to do...it's thrown up a couple of issues I'd like to go into before too long.  Since you've shown your current intentions, I'll finally get around to finishing off that humongous 'Dagobah' post which I've been meaning to get around to since ages.  :)    Some 'Dagobah' scenes are a continuity nightmare, and it won't be pretty...but although certain things will have to remain a compromise, I'm going to be interested to get your take on certain aspects of it all.  (Before I get around to that though, I'm hoping to finish off a post concerning a few outstanding things I'm curious about, to do with the 'Medical Frigate' sequence which come before your now perfect Falcon trajectory scene)

But until then, here's a little something that I'd also like to hightlight.  It's just a brief thing, but it's certainly something that always catches my eye now.  It concerns the shots where Han enters the rebel hangar and dismounts -

At the end of the top shot, as shown here, there is a Snowspeeder situated beside the 'ice pillar' behind Han and his Taun-Taun...

...but when we then immediately cut to Han dismounting in close-up, we suddenly see the rear engines of an X-wing appear beside the pillar...

Is it possible for you to 'erase' the engines in the close-up of Han, so that we'd only see the 'ice pillar' here, so that this isn't such a jarring continuity error any more?  See what you think.

Here's a large version of the top shot for a clearer look at what I mean - http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/8/screenshot637.png