It seems this whole thing is getting even more ridiculouser and ridiculouser... 
Well done on the completion of this Frink, and hope I can offer a little something to the 'SE' version eventually. I'm really looking forward to getting a hold of this in time for Christmas.
Monroville said:
Also, shouldn't the rail only have one cut in it, as opposed to two (since Vader only hits it once)?
I also concur that the sabre seems a bit slow in retraction... maybe someone could make a Youtube clip with a montage of sabre retractions so we can determine the timing (or would that be too anal even for a STAR WARS fan... up to the challenge, ImpFighter?)?
I take it you didn't look at either the MISSING RED VENTS or YELLOWISH LIGHTS AND MISSING TUBING 'links' in my long post yesterday then Monroville?...as they included various shot examples which show the various 'gaps' all along the railings...
As far as the speed of the 'retraction', I'm already pleased with it, and personally don't have any problem with it (so that's a 'no' on the 'montage' thing, lol)...and I reckon the final sound effect that is still to accompany it will sell it perfectly. It was only the 'hilt's end that I preferred a slightly more 'stylistic' angle of, for the 'close-up' (like the original)...as it seems to me that the angle it's held at in Vader's hands leading up to that point, is kinda slightly inconsistent anyway. No biggie though.
doubleofive said:
And Ady, maybe we should have ImpFight go through the movie and do the text commentary on the Visual Comparison, eh? ;-)
Heh, you're not getting out of it *that* easy! I wouldn't blame you for trying, as there's just so many enhancements in certain individual shots alone on this one...which is great of course. You'll need a gazzillion 'arrows' in some of them!
MrInsaneA said:
Even better, a text commentary of his text commentary.
(and that reminds me...I'll be nominating my 2 'funniest things' I've come across during this whole thread so far, nearer the end of December...)
adywan said:
The scorch mark behind the railings has been added in that clip. It is visible when viewed on a larger screen
Ah, that's good to know.
I guess that thing concerning the 'squeezed' chasm must be some kind of 'optical illusion' after all, but it still seems that way to me when I look at that 1st comparison shot of the chasm I posted above. When I 'flip' the original version upside down, it seems fine, yet your 'flipped' one underneath seems differently shaped somehow. Strange.
Anyway, thanks for those answers, and I look forward to seeing if anything happens with the rest of my points eventually.
adywan, I know you've mentioned that the final version of your Xmas clip is likely to have a few additional minor tweaks yet, but here's a few thoughts I'd still like to bring up about this at this point -
1. I've only studied this clip on my laptop screen, so the details are very small and I can't see if you've added a faint orange (or black?) 'scorch mark'/'lightsaber burn' to the 'Vane' immediately after Vader takes his 2nd swipe at Luke near the doorway, or not...
Here's how things look in your clip immediately after Vader's 2nd swipe -
...I think you've added a brief hint of 'smoke' here, but if you haven't already, do you think you could add a hint of the 'scorch' behind the railing too? (perhaps only as thick as the faint 'panel lines' that are just visible nearby?)...as it would probably be noticeable on a bigger monitor, and would tie-in nicely with when we then cut to the still glowing 'scorch mark'/'lightsaber burn' that you've added to the 'close-up' afterwards.
Or would it be too hidden behind the 'walkway' railing at the angle we see Vader swiping twice anyway? I can't really tell from the small screen size I'm looking at, unfortunately, but see what you think.
Also - In the above shot, you'll notice that I've 'arrowed' the 2 RED lights that you've added on your new vertical 'strip' running down the chasm wall here...
...but I reckon it might be neat to see them added to the vertical 'strip' in the establishing shot of the 'Vane' below too, if possible...as they seem to be missing here...
Here's how things look at the very start of the shot -
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2. I'm pleased to see that you've 'filled in' some of the 'missing'/darkened 'vents' with RED now... I brought this issue up recently, and am still interested to know if you're planning to 'fill in' any more of them, or not?
For easy reference, I've described/shown the relevant shots to do with these further down this particular post here. Just scroll down a little - MISSING RED VENTS
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3. Although I REALLY like the fact that you've made Vader's lightsaber 'blade' retract now, I have to be honest (you wouldn't want it any other way) and say I personally prefer the look of the original 'hilt' that was seen in this shot below...and think that your retracting 'blade' might seem even better if it was seen to extinguish into that extra little bit of the 'hilt' that we see in the original version...or alternatively, if your 'hilt' end was 'shaped' a little differently here...
Here's what I mean - for the sake of a recap, here's how the 'hilt's end looks in the shot shortly before it's 'retracted'...
...and here's a 'rotational' example of the various 'angles' of the lightsaber's 'opening' end...and I especially like the way it looks at the very end of this clip - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LatF7r2cpXw
...and here's another good example which gives a good look at 'angles' of the 'opening' end, once the rendering kicks in - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQYDTosOIm8
Again, see what you think, but even if you don't want to keep the original 'hilt', I still reckon that your shot might look a little better if you could show a 'diagonal'-looking 'angle' of the 'hilt's end, instead of the 'rounded' way you've previewed here. It would just look more like the 'end' of a lightsaber, if you know what I mean. Only my own opinion at the end of the day, so no worries.
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4. At this point, it seems that there was a missing orange light in the background. I see you've re-coloured it in the 2nd comparison shot below that I've 'arrowed', but I wonder if it should be nearer in hue to the lighter orange ones seen in the rest of the 'dotted line' here? Also, will you be re-colouring the one in the 1st comparison below that's still missing, too?...
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5. I'm curious about why your version of the chasm in the 1st comparison below seems to be 'squeezed' narrower in shape compared to the original? Although your version has been 'flipped' upside-down, it should still look as equally 'circular' overall as the original blu-ray version surely? - it's easier to notice how 'squeezed' yours looks if you compare the shape of the 2 sets of black holes and the 'dotted lines' of orange lights near the bottom... Your version definately has an 'oval' look to it here, and seems less 'wide' when watching the clip now...
...strangely however, your later shot of the chasm in the 2nd comparison below is perfectly fine, as it looks just as 'circular' overall as the original shot here...
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6. Finally, I'm still wondering if it's possible for you to re-colour/'whiten' the 'yellowish' lights seen in certain shots, for better continuity, or not?...as well as perhaps add some of the missing 'tubing' to the end of the 'gantry?...
For easy reference, I've described/shown the various issues to do with these further down this previous post here. Just scroll down a little - YELLOWISH LIGHTS AND MISSING TUBING
And before anyone 'starts'...I *know* these are all 'trivial', 'unimportant' things...but so are several things that adywan has thankfully tweaked in the clip anyway...
Okay, I said I'd come back with a rundown of the various reasons (big and small) why the latest ESB:R clip is so fantastic, so here goes -
Shot of Falcon take-off - Falcon is a bit smaller in frame so that it seems to have taken-off from the middle of circular platform now. / A shadow underneath the Falcon has been added to the circular platform now / Landing gear retracts now. / Blue engine glow added now. / New sky and clouds added now. / New buildings which match SE additions now. / Lots of distant spacecraft activity added now.
Shot of first view of the 'Vane' - 3D effect 'zoom-in' now. / Altered-shaped 'Vane' with enlarged 'sphere' that's plausibly-scaled to contain the 'Carbon Chamber' now (the other unseen 'half' of the 'sphere' would equally jut out on the other side of the 'Vane', of course). / 2 vertical 'steam outlet pipes' added to 'sphere' now. / Window on side of 'Vane' is better scaled smaller now, and positioned nearer to front edge of it now, which matches with later 'close-ups' better. / 'Gantry' that Vader and Luke duel on has been shortened for better scale. / Front edge of 'Vane' widens gradually towards it's base now, which matches later 'close-ups' better. / An extra red light added under the middle of the 'Vane' base now, to match the 3 lights seen underneath it later on. / Unfinished bit of background detail on right of frame at start of shot added now. / A row of red 'vents' added all the way around background now. / A couple of tiny blinking yellow lights seen nearby the 'doorway' of the 'Vane' have been removed now, to better match the 'close-up' shots, where there were only blinking yellow lights on the top of the 'walkway' railings.
Shot of 1st 'close-up' of the 'Vane' as Luke enters doorway - Front of 'Vane' gets gradually wider below 'walkway' without a 'bend' in the structure now, in a way which properly matches the shape seen in the previous shot. / Window is moved higher and further back above 'walkway' now. / Additional yellow railing light added below window on left of frame now. / 'Dotted line' of background lights on bottom of frame (that are now white instead of orange) have been removed now, to match the fact that they should be lower down the chasm wall as seen in the previous shot. / Red 'vents' added in background to match position of ones seen in the previous shot now.
Vader and Luke's lightsabers are vibrantly re-rotoscoped throughout this sequence now (and the whole edit of course), with Vader's a satisfying RED instead of PINK, and now also include additional 'contact' glows when they clash together.
Shot of 2nd 'close-up' of the 'Vane' as Vader and Luke clash at doorway - Front of 'Vane' gets gradually wider below 'walkway' without a 'bend' in the structure here now, in a way which properly matches the shape seen in the first shot of the 'Vane'. / Window is moved higher above 'walkway' now. / Very bottom of 'sphere' containing 'Carbon Chamber' added above window now. / 'Walkway' at side of 'Vane' is extended past window to match how it looks in the first shot of the 'Vane' now. / 'Dotted line' of background lights on bottom of frame (that are now white instead of orange) have been removed here too now, to match the fact that they should be lower down the chasm wall as seen in the first shot of the 'Vane'. / Background wall details on the left of the frame are re-angled now, and the long vertical 'strip' seen in the first shot of the 'Vane' has been added, and we can also see the top tip of the 'stem' that attaches the 'Vane' to the long 'strip' here now too. / Hint of smoke added to railing now when Vader's lightsaber strikes it.
Shot of 'close-up' of Vader and Luke's clash at doorway - Railing is cut due to Vader's lightsaber strike now. / Hint of smoke added to cut railing. / Glowing scorchmark added near doorway due to Vader's 2nd lightsaber strike now.
Shot of overhead view of the duel - Background chasm wall is a lot more vibrant with more defined details now. / Bright outer glow around lightsabers which caused patchy edges against the matte background have been removed now, and we can see Vader and Luke much clearer overall. / 'Dotted line' of background lights below 'gantry' are uniformly orange all the way around now. / 'Gantry' steps and floor panels are visible now, instead of being hidden in darkness. / Bright reflective flashes light up the 'gantry' now when the lightsabers clash. / 'Rocket'-shaped section at the very end of the 'gantry' has been moved over a little to match it's position on the full-sized 'prop'. / Yellow railing lights glow brighter now, to match other shots. / 2 yellow railing lights that were missing beside the 3 posts that Vader slices through, have now been added. / Sparks that continue on for too long after Vader hits the railing on his left side are removed to match the other railing cuts now.
Shot of Vader slicing through 3 posts - The sliced posts have orange glows added to where they are sliced now. / Silver tape on the posts have now been blackened out now to better match how they look in later shots.
Shot of Luke's hand being cut off - Vader's lightsaber actually cuts through Luke's wrist now, rather than just hitting Luke's lightsaber hilt. / Luke's severed arm is shortened a little once hand is cut off, so that it doesn't seem too long anymore. / Red colour added to some 'missing'/darkened 'vents' on background now.
Vader's lightsaber is seen to retract at one point now, rather than being suddenly off in the next shot of Vader.
Blue light reflections on Vader and the sliced posts have been removed now, as there is no blue light source nearby.
In Luke's first 'close-up' as he hangs onto the very end of the 'gantry', his jacket doesn't stick out so far now, so that it doesn't look like he's hiding his not-really-cut-off-hand inside it.
Shot of chasm that Luke looks down at - Chasm backdrop has been 'flipped' upside-down now. / White lights and long vertical 'strip' that run down the side of the chasm have been re-positioned now.
1st shot of Luke falling down chasm - Chasm backdrop has been 'flipped' upside-down now. / White lights and long vertical 'strip' that run down the side of the chasm have been re-positioned now. / Luke is 'reversed' as he falls now, so that his correct hand is missing.
2nd shot of Luke falling down chasm - The 'Vane' is moved up further from our viewpoint now, and it's 'stem' now matches the length of the 'stem' seen in the first shot of the 'Vane'. / Extra white lights added to strip on chasm wall now. / Luke starts to fall further from our viewpoint now, and is 'reversed' as he falls now, so that his correct hand is missing.
...and all the above is wrapped in a far better re-colouration than the existing version too, of course.
PHEW! Tremendous stuff.
Finally took a long, proper look at this adywan...WOW!
The ridiculous amount of neat enhancements you've achieved during this entire sequence is truly amazing, when compared to the original 'Special Edition' version...and this whole thing looks even more impressive throughout than I ever hoped for at the start of your efforts.
In my next post I'm going to list as much of the great stuff that you've done on this clip, as I can, as well as enquire about a couple of little things.
Thanks for this very welcome Christmas preview. Awesome work once again! :)
Ronster said:
I feel these additions if they would work would truly bring Vader into the Battle on Hoth because for me it's a big gripe and I have thought long and hard about a way of possibly Bringing Vader Down to Hoth instead of just appearing out of nowhere. Sorry but do not have the skill to do this video compositing but if anyone wants to give this idea a try then great! Or thinks they have a better way to do it?
Even if there is another way to bring Vader down without adding too much it would be good to see.
I hope Vaders shuttle leaving Bespin flying towards the executor stays in this edit of ESB because of Continuity also.
I cannot wait to see the final version of the hoth battle even if none of this stuff happens to be in the final edit. Just hoping it will be equivalent to what Adywan did with battle of Yavin
Welcome aboard Ronster.
Some interesting ideas in your post there, but just to confirm a couple of things, in case you're unaware - adywan has already decided to remove the solitary AT-ST altogether for his version, as it isn't seen before or afterwards in the footage (although someone had the notion to 'blow it up' in the second shot it's seen in, which I quite liked, lol...)
...and he's also decided he'd rather remove the SE additional shots of Vader's shuttle flying towards the Executor (which I kinda like - apart from the wrong 'Executor' colouring - as they only appear before the brunt of the Falcon/TIE chase and don't really interfere with the pacing of it this point)...and is also removing the SE shots of Vader's shuttle landing in the 'Executor' bay, along with Vader disembarking afterwards (which are shots I despise, as those absolutely *do* destroy the overall pacing of the chase/score at this point), and Vader will simply be heard to say "Bring my shuttle!" once again.
While I quite liked the initial brief extra sfx of the shuttle/'Executor' (and music cue) in the SE, I personally never had a problem with originally just seeing Vader aboard the 'Executor' later on without them...and I personally never had a problem with not seeing how Vader got down to the 'Rebel Base' on Hoth either, to be honest...
...however, you've inspired me Ronster! - You've made me realise there *is* a potential, simpler way to show how Vader got down to the planet, which wouldn't really affect the pacing too much I reckon...but it would come earlier than what you've described in your post. So just for speculation's sake, I'll post the screenshots/details over the next couple of days for you when I find time. :)
Wait, so Youtube/Facebook/and Rapidshare have deprived us of another clip?... :(
Occupy 'em all!
The Golden Idol said:
Also, Luke's saber shouldn't be transparent as it is in the pic above.
Yup, and it seems to have lost it's white 'core' in that shot too. But adywan is re-doing every saber shot, which should look great.
Jay said:
This all stems from copying/pasting content from Word.
I've made changes to the editor in the latest beta to help address the issue.
Not sure if this is the same problem Jay, but I can't see past the post by The Golden Idol on page 989 of adywan's main 'ESB:R' thread. It's frozen at post #24711 on there, and I can only see that he's 'quoted' a pic from my post beforehand, but can't see what he's written underneath. Can you take a look please? Thanks - http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-V-REVISITED-EDITION-ADYWAN-EXTENDED-TRAILER-NOW-AVAILABLE/post/553657/#TopicPost553657
EDIT - thanks for fixing that Jay.
adywan, I also meant to ask about this shot from the 'chasm' duel scene too - Is it possible to add a momentary effect of 'fabric burning' and brief hint of 'smoking cauterization' to Luke's sleeve/severed wrist here, somewhat like was seen on your ANH:R 'arm'?...
Bingowings said:
Aye but it's brewed by Benedictine monks in Devon.
Indeed, and they've made a fortune out of us!
And that was an interesting link none , but where are you from?
Bingowings said:
Then he should have called himself Red Kola which is also very Scottish and also made by Barrs.
...or perhaps even Buckfast...our 'other' national drink! ;)
Highlands of Scotland...
Rick2525 said:
by the 25th pic I was afraid that this guy has an abnormally high OCD
by the 30th pic I figured that my own desire for the pursuit of perfection pales in comparison to this guy (hehe, I was actually going to make this comment BEFORE I mentioned the OCD above)
by the 35th pic I just succumbed to the realisation that this guy just has WAAAYYY too much time on his hands ... either that, or he subscribes to the "Sam Raimi" style of story-telling where eventually it's all so over-the-top that it actually creates its own wicked vein of humour within ... check out Evil Dead to know what I mean here
Now see, this kinda sloppiness really gets my abnormally high OCD 'goat'...
...as there were only 34 pics in my original post, not 35! ;)
Vladius said:
"Too much time on your hands" is a lazy excuse people make to shelter themselves from knowing that they are not as creative or hardworking as someone else.
On the other hand, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that scene and you spent way too much of the time on your hands, however much that is, working on things that people will not notice.
Er...but I *did* happen to notice these things...although I can't speak for others.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course, but whatever amount of spare time I chose to use to draft up my original post is absolutely irrelevant...as the point is that because I noticed them, they were something I personally wanted adywan's thoughts on, to see if *he* agreed, or not. Simply that.
A lot of things can be considered very trivial and unimportant at the end of the day, but I'm always personally interested to see whatever someone finds worthy of bringing up for adywan's attention, no matter how they go about it. But I'm kinda uncertain whether to post my nearly finished, but lengthy 'Dagobah' screenshots/comments here now, if they're going to be a problem for some to scroll down past. Maybe I should just put those and any future screenshots/mock-ups/comments I've got planned for 'ROTJ:R' onwards into a seperate thread altogether? Or perhaps I should just PM them all directly to adywan? I'm happy to go by what he wishes.
aalenfae said:
I think if anything about the scene needs to be corrected/updated/fixed, it would just be the matte paintings of the chasm. They always looked a little... papery.
Well adywan's colour correction is certainly going to improve them throughout the sequence, but I just wonder if the inconsistent, darkened 'vents' during the shots I showed somehow made things look more obviously 'painterly', or not?
Some worthwhile efforts on your mock-up clip there aalenfae, and it's been interesting to see some of your other recent stuff too. :)
While the overall effect looks really neat, I'm not sure that Vader would have his saber drawn as he storms the base with the troopers (unless he took someone out with it just before we see them break through, in which case he might then switch it off as he enters the area we see him), as I think he already comes across as pretty intimidating in the scene as it is, and is probably confident that his 'Force-powers' are more than enough to deal with the ones that he's after, should they give him any problems... (although if Luke *had* been there and drawn his lightsaber, I'm guessing Vader would have done the same at that point) - additionally, Vader is only seen drawing his saber *after* Luke challenges him in the Carbon Chamber, and also only turns it on *after* Ben does in adywan's version of the 'ANH:R' duel.
But I'm certainly curious to see if there'll be any kind of 'embarking' from the AT-AT's in this particular edit, or not, eventually. (I didn't really agree with Harmy's observation about it, but perhaps if you'd showed troops rappeling down from another of those AT-AT's at the same time too, it wouldn't have seemed like that to him. Just a thought.)
Also, I'm uncertain that AT-AT's would have reached the 'back'(?) of the base that the Falcon flies out of... (although I seem to remember wondering if more of them might been deposited to attack the base from other directions too, unseen by us, in the past...)
Just some of my own thoughts on that, but it's adywan's feedback that counts for this edit, of course.
Ziz said:
I never noticed that some were on and some weren't until IF pointed them out but I submit that they don't need to be fixed because they're not mistakes.
We all know that background is a combination of matte paintings. Maybe some of them were painted dark on purpose to indicate that those vents were turned off/not in use.
Fixing mistakes is one thing - homogenizing every detail so that everything is mindlessly consistent is something else.
Rather than 'homogenizing every detail so that everything is mindlessly consistent', I just liked the fact that there was a possible opportunity to introduce a little additional (red) colour to certain shots, which might subtly enhance the 'visual' aspect of them even more during this great sequence. I can live with the 'burnt bulbs' notion though, if things are left as they are.
But the other points about the 'dotted line' of lights in the 3rd and 4th photos of my original post still stand, as well as possibly 'whitening' up that 'yellowish' light I mentioned, so I'm interested to see what adywan decides on those too eventually.
Angel said:
Nice to see that this idea is not dead yet
Heh, no not dead, just delayed as I keep getting sidetracked. And because I noticed a couple of other little things to do with the 'Dagobah' scenes that I ended up deciding to include too. But it's been a tricky one to organise as it involved so many screenshots to get certain things across properly, without being confusing. Hopefully there'll be something of interest to you and others when I post it for adywan's thoughts soon.
corellian77 said:
Just as I'm sure you know brevity is the soul of wit.
Sure, but I'm not trying to be funny at the end of the day, or I'd end up just posting 'one-liners' here. (I accept that some might prefer that however...)
Lets move along.
muddyknees2000 said:
Its just a bit of sarcasm.....humour......no slight intended
None taken then, but dont'cha know that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit? I'm sure you can be funnier if you try!
muddyknees2000 said:
Dude, you know theres a story being told during this film right? Its right in the foreground, more or less right in front of all those tiny little lights in the background. If you squint real hard you can just make it out...
Jeez 'dude', I guess your gonna really dislike the next posts I'm planning for 'Dagobah' and 'ROTJ:R' eventually...
Don't get so hung up on the fact that there's certain trivial things that some of us might end up flagging up for possible consideration to be tweaked in future. adywan will take or leave certain things at the end of the day, but this project is an opportunity for all thoughts, good or bad or well-intentioned.
Monroville said:
I always felt that Vader gave Luke a nudge towards the vents, which then pulled him in once he got close enough (as that initial scene with Luke tumbling towards the vents looks too awkward for him to be naturally sucked in, not to mention it fit with Vader wanting his son to live).
Monroville, although I quite liked darth_ender's possible explanation HERE of how Luke managed to be 'sucked into' the side from the middle of the wide chasm, your theory of Vader using the 'Force' to steer him over is interesting too.
But I've finally settled on this alternative notion now -
Since Luke has had some 'Force' training by this point, I guess he might have been able to 'influence' his trajectory mid-fall towards the 'vents' himself ...which would remove the need for any kind of 'sheer blind luck' thanks to 'super suction', or any 'helpful' intervention by Vader. It's no biggie, but I kinda like the possibility that even though Luke's options were severly limited, he took a calculated risk after noticing the 'vents' below him, before he let go, and managed to save himself with an intentional 'Force'-induced swerve towards a group of them... (and since this notion does away with the need for 'super suction' now, then I guess that unlike Luke, the hand/lightsaber *would* have just continued to fall directly down the middle to the bottom, after all)
However, the other scenarios work well enough too, so everyone can choose their own preference.
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Okay, here's another couple of minor things to do with this sequence that I want to cover before I move on -
On page 722 adywan said:
Well the matte has gone through a few modifications since the preview. The gantry and walkway have been shrunk, along with the window and the sphere at the top has been made larger and had a few modifications. The scale as it stands now makes the chance that the carbon chamber could be at the top of the structure more believable.
adywan, although your excellent '3D motion' effect and various neat alterations to the 'Vane' were the most noticeable changes at the time, I've been meaning to highlight a couple of other subtle improvements that were shown in your 'rapidshare' preview clip back on page 722 -
Start of original SE shot -
As well as fixing the small portion of incomplete background detailing on the right-hand of the above SE shot (that I've pointed to in your version below)...it's also really great that you managed to subtly add the missing groups of red 'vent' openings all the way around the chasm too...especially since it's a moving shot! This really helps to tie-in nicely with the red 'vents' seen around this area in the various shots that follow afterwards...
Start of Revisited 'rapidshare' preview shot (which needs to be seen in motion to be fully appreciated) -
Terrific job all round.
But I'm wondering if you can subtly touch up a couple of other things in some of the following shots too, perhaps? There seems to be some missing colour on some of the rows of red 'vent' openings, and also on some of 'dotted lines' of red/orange lights during various shots...and it would be neat to see a bit of colour added to all of them whenever they appear, if possible -
Firstly, could the currently white 'dotted line' of lights I've pointed to in the 2 shots below be given some red/orange colouring instead?...to match better with the colour of the 'dotted lines' of lights seen in other shots during the sequence that they are probably meant to represent...
Here -
And Here -
Alternatively if preferred, this particular 'dotted line' of lights seen in the 2 shots above could be removed altogether...to tie-in even more with shots that follow afterwards, since they don't actually seem to be seen at this same level with the 'walkway' in other shots...
(see various shots further down in this sequence for examples of what I mean)
The positioning of the red 'dotted line' of lights seen nearest to us in the top-right of the 'duel' shot below is fine here, as they give a satisfactory enough appearance of being somewhere underneath the 'walkway' too, at this angle...as opposed to being roughly level with it...
...and everything looks fine in this shot of Luke below too...
...but is it possible to add a subtle hint of the missing red colour to the 'vents' I've pointed to here in the shot below?...
...and to the 'vents' in this shot below too?...
...and also to the 'vents' in this shot below too?...
...and also to these other 'vents' in the top-right of the same shot as above too? (which are more noticeable when everything brightens up during the flash of the sparks)...
...the 'vents' in the shot below are fine once again...
...but is it possible to also add a touch of the missing red colour to the single darkened one I've pointed to in the shot below too?...
...now the 'vents' in the shot of Luke below are fine once again...
...but is it possible to add a hint of the missing red colour to the 2 single darkened ones I've pointed to in this shot below too?...
...and also to the 'vents' behind Luke in this shot below too?...
...and also to the 'vents' seen in this shot below too?...
...and also to the 'vents' seen behind Luke in the shot below too?...
...and also to the 'vents' seen in the shot below too?...
...now the 'vents' seen on the top-right of the shot below are fine once again, but should the 'yellowish' light I've pointed to below, be whitened up to match later shots of the chasm wall lights, or not?...
...and is it possible to add a hint of the missing red colour to the 'vents' in the shot below too?...
...now the 'vents' in the shot below are fine once again...
...and they are also fine in the shot below...
...but is it possible to add a hint of the missing red colour to the 'vents' seen in the shot below at this point too?..
...now the 'vents' seen in the shot below are fine once again...
...and they are also fine in the shot below...
...and they are also fine in the shot below too...
...and they are still fine in the shot of Luke below too...
...but is it possible to also add a hint of the missing red colour to the single darkened one I've pointed to in the shot below too?...
...then after Luke first looks downwards, the 'vents' seen in the shot below are fine once again...
...and like all of the various 'close-ups' of Luke, the 'vents' in the shot below are fine once again...
...and the 'vents' seen in the top-right of the shot below are still fine, but again, should the 'yellowish' light I've pointed to below, be whitened up to match with other shots of the chasm wall lights, or not, in this shot too?...
...and is it possible to add a hint of the missing red colour to the 'vents' seen in the shot below too?..
...then the 'vents' in the rest of the sequence shots are fine once again...
...but I'm wondering if the 'white light' seen close to the base of the 'Vane' structure's 'stem' that I've pointed to in the shot below, should be included in your '3D motion' shot, or not?...as the original SE shot I've shown at the start of this post seems to have it hereabouts too...
...or should this one below just be removed too?
Anyway adywan, if you end up deciding against adding any red colour to the darkened 'vents' I've pointed too, I guess I can continue to 'imagine' that the bulbs have simply 'burnt out' on all these ones...and the 'maintenance guys' haven't gotten around to replacing them yet... ;)
All this reminds me that on my first viewing I was originally convinced that Ricardo ('Khan') Montalban had made a very quick 'cameo' at this point, lol...
Er...he's on the left here, but I digress...
Y'know, it would also be interesting if a single example of a short sequence was included using each one of your various sources, one-after-the-other...to compare the differences of a scene in an 'at-a-glance' way.
Say for instance, the opening shot of the Stardestroyer/Blockade Runner just up to somewhere where we first see C3PO and R2.
The 'Blu, not Blur!' campaign starts here!
Another neat preview of the Hoth Generator there! This thing's really coming together nicely now. Hopefully you're managing to cover all this 'behind-the-scenes' work for your 'extras' disc. Maybe some very rough 'time-lapse'-style shots-in-a-row of this stuff would look quite effective, to show how certain things progressed from start to finish?
And those screen comparisons are pretty interesting. On the blu-ray shot, it seems that the details on the rebels have been lost in a 'blur' compared to the original shot. When you look at the explosion on the bottom right of the frame, it's very apparent how 'blurry' some elements look in the blu-ray shot now.
Also, it's strange how the blu-ray shot seems to have the dead rebels lying in the foreground more 'in-focus' than the running rebels close to them, which are 'blurred'...yet in the original, both the dead and running rebels have the same amount of 'focus' to them!
I'm disappointed that the overdone 'digital scrubbing' of grain seems to be losing details in too many HD releases these days, and may have to change my title. The 'Blu, not Blur!' campaign starts here!
This was just a small thing from my earlier post adywan, but I'm interested to know if you think the currently 'barely visable' red lights at the bottom of the 'stem' matte should be brightened up a little, or not.
Current SE shot -
Mock-up -
DominicCobb said:
Why do the stormtroopers always miss? Why is there gravity in the meteor? Why does Leia make out with Luke?
All very good questions...
Hey, just speculating on possibilities DC, rather than expecting any plausable, definitive answers...
darth_ender said:
In answer to your question, it seems likely that he was experiencing pull from all directions, happened to drift closer to one side (probably already closer to that side when falling, so the suction from that side was already pulling him slightly more than all the other sides), and finally got close enough for one particular shaft to nab him
Not bad darth, and seems as reasonable a notion as any. Thanks. :)