ImperialFighter

I'd like to muddy the waters a little more on this one dwsiddall, as I've always looked on Obi-Wan as swiping twice in this scene!

We hear the lightsaber ignite, and immediately after we see the close-up of the blaster being raised by 'Freaky Nose', we see what looks like a short 1st swipe which would account for 'Freaky Nose's right arm being severed...which is followed by a 2nd swipe which I always look on as being directed at 'Walrus Guy' standing next to him.  Obi-Wan's taking no chances here.  (Have a look at the footage in slow motion or frame-by-frame to get a good look at what I mean)  And both characters are seen to collapse to the floor, which convinces me more.

So I'm pleased that adywan has shown 'Freaky Nose's arm beside the blaster in his version, as although I think 'Walrus Guy's right arm/'flipper' was severed too, it doesn't matter...as it's landed offsceen a little from 'Freaky Nose's arm, and is unseen by us.

Nice mock-ups on those grey 'markings' Jaitea (there should be a 3rd one on the top panel too), and matching 'snowlines'.  And I'm hoping the backdrop will match a little better between those shots in the final 'Revisited' version also, perhaps.

For now, I'd just like to wish everyone here a very HAPPY NEW YEAR!

...and who'd have thought this thread would reach 1000 pages, considering the ANH:R one is only 377 pages currently?  

I've come across a few belly laughs along the way (some unintentional)...so here were 2 of my favourites at the time -

Runner-up posted by Ripplin - http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/3303/toyyodatoyota.jpg

Winner posted by DarkJedi3PO - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JftaoQD9Di0 

Welcome Fettclone1.

Personally, I reckon that Vader looks down on Fett and his cohorts with great disdain due to their way of life, and merely involves them as an additional way to locate Luke and the others a bit quicker.  He already singles out Fett with his 'no disintegrations' order (probably due to knowing of his 'reputation')... but wouldn't deem it necessary to address these 'low life scum' on 'name' terms.

There's quite a few examples of mis-'scaling' during the existing movie that will probably end up having to be left as they are during ESB:R too...but this was certainly a nice possible improvement where this AT-AT 'foot' was concerned.  Great mock-up Jaitea.

That reminded me that I'm hoping that adywan will add the missing grey 'markings' to Luke's Snowspeeder in the shots below -

They're in place during this shot...

...but are missing in these next 2 shots...

...but then appear in place again here...

 ...and perhaps the differing 'snowline' seen on the section where the grey 'markings' are, could be made to be consistent between these shots too?

Harmy said:

The 2nd shot is from a lower angle, so if the lights were on the wall, they wouldn't be visible in the 2nd shot.

Perhaps your half-correct Harmy.  But I reckon we should have seen the uppermost light in the follow-up angle, as it happens to be almost as high as all the yellow lights dotted along the very top of the railing.  Let's see what adywan thinks anyway.

I hope everyone here had a good time over the festivities, and that was another great preview shot of the Bespin 'cloud approach' on Christmas day adywan.

When I brought up the 'missing' red colour in various shots of the chasm 'vents' recently, I forgot to include this particular set of prominent ones that are seen outside the 'window' during the duel.  I've no idea if it's possible to add the colour to all the shots of these ones during this scene, or not, but it sure would be neat if you could -

Also, here's another very little 'continuity' thing I noticed during the first few 'close-up' shots of the 'Vane' exterior...

You can see from the sequence of shots below that there are 2 lights on the side of the 'Vane', rather than on the railing itself...because we see Luke obscure them when he passes in front of them, and then they appear again once he's gotten past them -

...but these 2 lights aren't on the side of the 'Vane' when we get to this view of it -

...so would it be possible to remove them from the shot where Luke walks past them, so that these shots match?

Loconut said:

Another Christmas present from Ady (keep an eye out for Ming's men ;) )

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=345688065446782&set=a.343452082337047.101412.223279371020986&type=3&theater 

Thanks for the heads up Loconut.  I'll just stick the comparison image here too, for easy reference -

This is another shot that's been given terrific further enhancements now.  It has a really epic look to it now.  Great stuff.

That's 'Eric' and 'Casey' down there according to Ming, and it's neat to see an example of how the '2nd Unit' shots look.  And although we can't make them out here, it's good to know that these guys are wearing adywan's accurate rebel costume detailing...

And at this point I'd just like to wish adywan and everyone else on these forums a very merry Christmas.

adywan said:

Don't think for one moment that every picture or video i post is ever 100% the final version ;)If i did that then there would be nothing left to show in its final release

I'm constantly amazed at how many times you've further amended ESB:R shots that were already looking great.  :)

But I notice that the tiny Cloud-Car in the distance is not visible anymore.  I'm hoping it's movement outside the window will still be noticeable, now that you've further tweaked the shot you originally showed.  This is a terrific enhancement of this particular continuity flub, regardless.

Thanks for these additional previews, and I'm looking forward to the next ones!

Just a heads up for anyone that hasn't seen this yet...but I've now replaced the poor quality 'leaked' bootleg trailer for PROMETHEUS with the high quality version.

Coming Soon...  Due for release 2012...

PROMETHEUS (coming 2012/directed by Ridley Scott)

Teaser Promo 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqi1T9PmS6k

Teaser Promo 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn3YouxdY5k

Teaser Promo 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9re91OwUnA

Teaser Trailer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU

Peter Weyland 'TED Talk' Viral Promo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUxdAWrsag8

'David' Viral Promo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEO3lmVy-tU

'Theatrical Trailer' Promo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umU6cenjctI

IMAX teaser - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq7Z3pqJ4dY

Theatrical Trailer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHcHYisZFLU

'International' Trailer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjovCWtfTYA

I've added the latest trailers for 'The Dark Knight Rises' and 'John Carter' on the previous page now.

Coming Soon...  Due for release 2012...

THE HOBBIT: AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY  (coming 2012/directed by Peter Jackson)

Theatrical Trailer 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGM1RB73Zso

Coming Soon...  Peter Jackson's 'The Hobbit: There And Back Again' sequel is due for release in 2013...

Okay, time to add something new around here, so I've now included the latest 'Theatrical Trailer' for 'The Dark Knight Rises' a few posts back.

JOHN CARTER  (released 2012/directed by Andrew Stanton)

Teaser Trailer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8xblwyKtfo

Theatrical Trailer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlvYKl1fjBI

Hell's bells adywan, I sure wasn't expecting a whole background replacement!  And to think that I'd have been delighted just to see that little bit of 'tubing' added....  Simply stunning work once again, and thanks for giving us the extra preview.

The correct 'tubing' looks great of course, and it's good to see the back of that damned inconsistent 'yellowish' light now too.  And no more transparent 'cone' anymore either.  Your new background has given this viewpoint a really epic shot in the arm now.  Interesting too, how you altered the positioning of it for your revised version.

Ziz said:

IF text commentary only if it was edited to stay in real time with the film.  The way IF writes, we'd be in the middle of Dagobah and he'd still be talking about the probe droid shots.

That might well have been a probability...except 005 was referring to the same kind of 'multi-screenshot' Visual Comparison that was done for ANH:R on his blog, not an 'onscreen' commentary during the movie itself, lol.

Monroville bringing up the railing 'gaps' reminded me about this final question I wanted to bring up about this sequence adywan - After the sparks have cleared, would this shot look a little more effective if orange 'scorch glows' were also briefly visible on the edges of the railing 'gap' that Vader swung down on here, or not?...

...and I see from your Facebook comments that we're gonna be getting a new 'screenshot' for the next few days until Christmas too!  :)

It seems this whole thing is getting even more ridiculouser and ridiculouser...  

Well done on the completion of this Frink, and hope I can offer a little something to the 'SE' version eventually.  I'm really looking forward to getting a hold of this in time for Christmas.

Monroville said:

Also, shouldn't the rail only have one cut in it, as opposed to two (since Vader only hits it once)?

 

I also concur that the sabre seems a bit slow in retraction... maybe someone could make a Youtube clip with a montage of sabre retractions so we can determine the timing (or would that be too anal even for a STAR WARS fan... up to the challenge, ImpFighter?)?

I take it you didn't look at either the MISSING RED VENTS or YELLOWISH LIGHTS AND MISSING TUBING 'links' in my long post yesterday then Monroville?...as they included various shot examples which show the various 'gaps' all along the railings...

As far as the speed of the 'retraction', I'm already pleased with it, and personally don't have any problem with it (so that's a 'no' on the 'montage' thing, lol)...and I reckon the final sound effect that is still to accompany it will sell it perfectly.  It was only the 'hilt's end that I preferred a slightly more 'stylistic' angle of, for the 'close-up' (like the original)...as it seems to me that the angle it's held at in Vader's hands leading up to that point, is kinda slightly inconsistent anyway.  No biggie though.

doubleofive said:

And Ady, maybe we should have ImpFight go through the movie and do the text commentary on the Visual Comparison, eh? ;-)

Heh, you're not getting out of it *that* easy!  I wouldn't blame you for trying, as there's just so many enhancements in certain individual shots alone on this one...which is great of course.  You'll need a gazzillion 'arrows' in some of them!

MrInsaneA said:

Even better, a text commentary of his text commentary.

  (and that reminds me...I'll be nominating my 2 'funniest things' I've come across during this whole thread so far, nearer the end of December...)

adywan said:

The scorch mark behind the railings has been added in that clip. It is visible when viewed on a larger screen

Ah, that's good to know.

I guess that thing concerning the 'squeezed' chasm must be some kind of 'optical illusion' after all, but it still seems that way to me when I look at that 1st comparison shot of the chasm I posted above.  When I 'flip' the original version upside down, it seems fine, yet your 'flipped' one underneath seems differently shaped somehow.  Strange.

Anyway, thanks for those answers, and I look forward to seeing if anything happens with  the rest of my points eventually. 

adywan, I know you've mentioned that the final version of your Xmas clip is likely to have a few additional minor tweaks yet, but here's a few thoughts I'd still like to bring up about this at this point -

1.  I've only studied this clip on my laptop screen, so the details are very small and I can't see if you've added a faint orange (or black?) 'scorch mark'/'lightsaber burn' to the 'Vane' immediately after Vader takes his 2nd swipe at Luke near the doorway, or not...

Here's how things look in your clip immediately after Vader's 2nd swipe -

...I think you've added a brief hint of 'smoke' here, but if you haven't already, do you think you could add a hint of the 'scorch' behind the railing too? (perhaps only as thick as the faint 'panel lines' that are just visible nearby?)...as it would probably be noticeable on a bigger monitor, and would tie-in nicely with when we then cut to the still glowing 'scorch mark'/'lightsaber burn' that you've added to the 'close-up' afterwards. 

Or would it be too hidden behind the 'walkway' railing at the angle we see Vader swiping twice anyway?  I can't really tell from the small screen size I'm looking at, unfortunately, but see what you think.

Also - In the above shot, you'll notice that I've 'arrowed' the 2 RED lights that you've added on your new vertical 'strip' running down the chasm wall here...

...but I reckon it might be neat to see them added to the vertical 'strip' in the establishing shot of the 'Vane' below too, if possible...as they seem to be missing here...

Here's how things look at the very start of the shot -

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2.  I'm pleased to see that you've 'filled in' some of the 'missing'/darkened 'vents' with RED now...  I brought this issue up recently, and am still interested to know if you're planning to 'fill in' any more of them, or not?  

For easy reference, I've described/shown the relevant shots to do with these further down this particular post here.  Just scroll down a little - MISSING RED VENTS

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3.  Although I REALLY like the fact that you've made Vader's lightsaber 'blade' retract now, I have to be honest (you wouldn't want it any other way) and say I personally prefer the look of the original 'hilt' that was seen in this shot below...and think that your retracting 'blade' might seem even better if it was seen to extinguish into that extra little bit of the 'hilt' that we see in the original version...or alternatively, if your 'hilt' end was 'shaped' a little differently here...

Here's what I mean - for the sake of a recap, here's how the 'hilt's end looks in the shot shortly before it's 'retracted'...

...and here's a 'rotational' example of the various 'angles' of the lightsaber's 'opening' end...and I especially like the way it looks at the very end of this clip - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LatF7r2cpXw

...and here's another good example which gives a good look at 'angles' of the 'opening' end, once the rendering kicks in - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQYDTosOIm8

Again, see what you think, but even if you don't want to keep the original 'hilt', I still reckon that your shot might look a little better if you could show a 'diagonal'-looking 'angle' of the 'hilt's end, instead of the 'rounded' way you've previewed here.  It would just look more like the 'end' of a lightsaber, if you know what I mean.  Only my own opinion at the end of the day, so no worries.

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4.  At this point, it seems that there was a missing orange light in the background.  I see you've re-coloured it in the 2nd comparison shot below that I've 'arrowed', but I wonder if it should be nearer in hue to the lighter orange ones seen in the rest of the 'dotted line' here?  Also, will you be re-colouring the one in the 1st comparison below that's still missing, too?...

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5.  I'm curious about why your version of the chasm in the 1st comparison below seems to be 'squeezed' narrower in shape compared to the original?  Although your version has been 'flipped' upside-down, it should still look as equally 'circular' overall as the original blu-ray version surely? - it's easier to notice how 'squeezed' yours looks if you compare the shape of the 2 sets of black holes and the 'dotted lines' of orange lights near the bottom...  Your version definately has an 'oval' look to it here, and seems less 'wide' when watching the clip now...

...strangely however, your later shot of the chasm in the 2nd comparison below is perfectly fine, as it looks just as 'circular' overall as the original shot here...

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6.  Finally, I'm still wondering if it's possible for you to re-colour/'whiten' the 'yellowish' lights seen in certain shots, for better continuity, or not?...as well as perhaps add some of the missing 'tubing' to the end of the 'gantry?... 

For easy reference, I've described/shown the various issues to do with these further down this previous post here.  Just scroll down a little - YELLOWISH LIGHTS AND MISSING TUBING

And before anyone 'starts'...I *know* these are all 'trivial', 'unimportant' things...but so are several things that adywan has thankfully tweaked in the clip anyway...

Okay, I said I'd come back with a rundown of the various reasons (big and small) why the latest ESB:R clip is so fantastic, so here goes -

Shot of Falcon take-off - Falcon is a bit smaller in frame so that it seems to have taken-off from the middle of circular platform now. / A shadow underneath the Falcon has been added to the circular platform now / Landing gear retracts now. / Blue engine glow added now. / New sky and clouds added now. / New buildings which match SE additions now. / Lots of distant spacecraft activity added now.

Shot of first view of the 'Vane' - 3D effect 'zoom-in' now. / Altered-shaped 'Vane' with enlarged 'sphere' that's plausibly-scaled to contain the 'Carbon Chamber' now (the other unseen 'half' of the 'sphere' would equally jut out on the other side of the 'Vane', of course). / 2 vertical 'steam outlet pipes' added to 'sphere' now. / Window on side of 'Vane' is better scaled smaller now, and positioned nearer to front edge of it now, which matches with later 'close-ups' better. / 'Gantry' that Vader and Luke duel on has been shortened for better scale. / Front edge of 'Vane' widens gradually towards it's base now, which matches later 'close-ups' better. / An extra red light added under the middle of the 'Vane' base now, to match the 3 lights seen underneath it later on. / Unfinished bit of background detail on right of frame at start of shot added now. / A row of red 'vents' added all the way around background now. / A couple of tiny blinking yellow lights seen nearby the 'doorway' of the 'Vane' have been removed now, to better match the 'close-up' shots, where there were only blinking yellow lights on the top of the 'walkway' railings.

Shot of 1st 'close-up' of the 'Vane' as Luke enters doorway - Front of 'Vane' gets gradually wider below 'walkway' without a 'bend' in the structure now, in a way which properly matches the shape seen in the previous shot. / Window is moved higher and further back above 'walkway' now. / Additional yellow railing light added below window on left of frame now. / 'Dotted line' of background lights on bottom of frame (that are now white instead of orange) have been removed now, to match the fact that they should be lower down the chasm wall as seen in the previous shot. / Red 'vents' added in background to match position of ones seen in the previous shot now.

Vader and Luke's lightsabers are vibrantly re-rotoscoped throughout this sequence now (and the whole edit of course), with Vader's a satisfying RED instead of PINK, and now also include additional 'contact' glows when they clash together.

Shot of 2nd 'close-up' of the 'Vane' as Vader and Luke clash at doorway - Front of 'Vane' gets gradually wider below 'walkway' without a 'bend' in the structure here now, in a way which properly matches the shape seen in the first shot of the 'Vane'. / Window is moved higher above 'walkway' now. / Very bottom of 'sphere' containing 'Carbon Chamber' added above window now. / 'Walkway' at side of 'Vane' is extended past window to match how it looks in the first shot of the 'Vane' now. / 'Dotted line' of background lights on bottom of frame (that are now white instead of orange) have been removed here too now, to match the fact that they should be lower down the chasm wall as seen in the first shot of the 'Vane'. / Background wall details on the left of the frame are re-angled now, and the long vertical 'strip' seen in the first shot of the 'Vane' has been added, and we can also see the top tip of the 'stem' that attaches the 'Vane' to the long 'strip' here now too. / Hint of smoke added to railing now when Vader's lightsaber strikes it.

Shot of 'close-up' of Vader and Luke's clash at doorway - Railing is cut due to Vader's lightsaber strike now. / Hint of smoke added to cut railing. / Glowing scorchmark added near doorway due to Vader's 2nd lightsaber strike now.

Shot of overhead view of the duel - Background chasm wall is a lot more vibrant with more defined details now. / Bright outer glow around lightsabers which caused patchy edges against the matte background have been removed now, and we can see Vader and Luke much clearer overall. / 'Dotted line' of background lights below 'gantry' are uniformly orange all the way around now. / 'Gantry' steps and floor panels are visible now, instead of being hidden in darkness. / Bright reflective flashes light up the 'gantry' now when the lightsabers clash. / 'Rocket'-shaped section at the very end of the 'gantry' has been moved over a little to match it's position on the full-sized 'prop'. / Yellow railing lights glow brighter now, to match other shots. / 2 yellow railing lights that were missing beside the 3 posts that Vader slices through, have now been added. / Sparks that continue on for too long after Vader hits the railing on his left side are removed to match the other railing cuts now.

Shot of Vader slicing through 3 posts - The sliced posts have orange glows added to where they are sliced now. / Silver tape on the posts have now been blackened out now to better match how they look in later shots.

Shot of Luke's hand being cut off - Vader's lightsaber actually cuts through Luke's wrist now, rather than just hitting Luke's lightsaber hilt. / Luke's severed arm is shortened a little once hand is cut off, so that it doesn't seem too long anymore. / Red colour added to some 'missing'/darkened 'vents' on background now.

Vader's lightsaber is seen to retract at one point now, rather than being suddenly off in the next shot of Vader. 

Blue light reflections on Vader and the sliced posts have been removed now, as there is no blue light source nearby.

In Luke's first 'close-up' as he hangs onto the very end of the 'gantry', his jacket doesn't stick out so far now, so that it doesn't look like he's hiding his not-really-cut-off-hand inside it.

Shot of chasm that Luke looks down at - Chasm backdrop has been 'flipped' upside-down now. / White lights and long vertical 'strip' that run down the side of the chasm have been re-positioned now.

1st shot of Luke falling down chasm - Chasm backdrop has been 'flipped' upside-down now. / White lights and long vertical 'strip' that run down the side of the chasm have been re-positioned now. / Luke is 'reversed' as he falls now, so that his correct hand is missing.

2nd shot of Luke falling down chasm - The 'Vane' is moved up further from our viewpoint now, and it's 'stem' now matches the length of the 'stem' seen in the first shot of the 'Vane'. / Extra white lights added to strip on chasm wall now. / Luke starts to fall further from our viewpoint now, and is 'reversed' as he falls now, so that his correct hand is missing.

...and all the above is wrapped in a far better re-colouration than the existing version too, of course. 

PHEW!  Tremendous stuff.

Finally took a long, proper look at this adywan...WOW!

The ridiculous amount of neat enhancements you've achieved during this entire sequence is truly amazing, when compared to the original 'Special Edition' version...and this whole thing looks even more impressive throughout than I ever hoped for at the start of your efforts.

In my next post I'm going to list as much of the great stuff that you've done on this clip, as I can, as well as enquire about a couple of little things.

Thanks for this very welcome Christmas preview.  Awesome work once again!  :)

Ronster said:

I feel these additions if they would work would truly bring Vader into the Battle on Hoth because for me it's a big gripe and I have thought long and hard about a way of possibly Bringing Vader Down to Hoth instead of just appearing out of nowhere. Sorry but do not have the skill to do this video compositing  but if anyone wants to give this idea a try then great! Or thinks they have a better way to do it?

Even if there is another way to bring Vader down without adding too much it would be good to see.

I hope Vaders shuttle leaving Bespin flying towards the executor stays in this edit of ESB because of Continuity also.

I cannot wait to see the final version of the hoth battle even if none of this stuff happens to be in the final edit. Just hoping it will be equivalent to what Adywan did with battle of Yavin

Welcome aboard Ronster.

Some interesting ideas in your post there, but just to confirm a couple of things, in case you're unaware - adywan has already decided to remove the solitary AT-ST altogether for his version, as it isn't seen before or afterwards in the footage (although someone had the notion to 'blow it up' in the second shot it's seen in, which I quite liked, lol...)

...and he's also decided he'd rather remove the SE additional shots of Vader's shuttle flying towards the Executor (which I kinda like - apart from the wrong 'Executor' colouring - as they only appear before the brunt of the Falcon/TIE chase and don't really interfere with the pacing of it this point)...and is also removing the SE shots of Vader's shuttle landing in the 'Executor' bay, along with Vader disembarking afterwards (which are shots I despise, as those absolutely *do* destroy the overall pacing of the chase/score at this point), and Vader will simply be heard to say "Bring my shuttle!" once again.

While I quite liked the initial brief extra sfx of the shuttle/'Executor' (and music cue) in the SE, I personally never had a problem with originally just seeing Vader aboard the 'Executor' later on without them...and I personally never had a problem with not seeing how Vader got down to the 'Rebel Base' on Hoth either, to be honest...

...however, you've inspired me Ronster! - You've made me realise there *is* a potential, simpler way to show how Vader got down to the planet, which wouldn't really affect the pacing too much I reckon...but it would come earlier than what you've described in your post.  So just for speculation's sake, I'll post the screenshots/details over the next couple of days for you when I find time. :)

Wait, so Youtube/Facebook/and Rapidshare have deprived us of another clip?... :(

Occupy 'em all!

The Golden Idol said:

Also, Luke's saber shouldn't be transparent as it is in the pic above.

Yup, and it seems to have lost it's white 'core' in that shot too.  But adywan is re-doing every saber shot, which should look great.

Jay said:

This all stems from copying/pasting content from Word.

I've made changes to the editor in the latest beta to help address the issue.

Not sure if this is the same problem Jay, but I can't see past the post by The Golden Idol on page 989 of adywan's main 'ESB:R' thread.  It's frozen at post #24711 on there, and I can only see that he's 'quoted' a pic from my post beforehand, but can't see what he's written underneath.  Can you take a look please?  Thanks - http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-V-REVISITED-EDITION-ADYWAN-EXTENDED-TRAILER-NOW-AVAILABLE/post/553657/#TopicPost553657

EDIT - thanks for fixing that Jay.

adywan, I also meant to ask about this shot from the 'chasm' duel scene too -  Is it possible to add a momentary effect of 'fabric burning' and brief hint of 'smoking cauterization' to Luke's sleeve/severed wrist here, somewhat like was seen on your ANH:R 'arm'?...

Bingowings said:

Aye but it's brewed by Benedictine monks in Devon.

Indeed, and they've made a fortune out of us!

And that was an interesting link none , but where are you from?