In case you missed it:
https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/2016/03/23/echo-base-hanger-model/
Magical work once more…and I love how the bays/columns are going to better match the look of the bays/columns in the actual live-action set shots now!
It’s been a while since my last post, but I just wanted to share some ESB:R related material with you all.
I remember commenting on this a while back, but I didn’t post the clip at the time. The brief snippets of those AT-AT shots are terrific looking. I certainly didn’t expect adywan to take the time to enhance/add continuity to the actual skies and backdrops as much as he seems to have ended up doing…but I’m sure glad he did. Wonderful work!
(and nice to get a look at his workstation too)
The very first edit I made, a good five or six years ago, was exactly this.
Heh, our only problem is that this would end up killing ‘Obi-wan’ prematurely before his appearance in the original trilogy…
On the other hand…since the current scroll only mentions two Jedi and doesn’t name ‘Obi-wan’, we could just ‘imagine’ that Ewen McGregor is playing someone else…and just add ‘Chapters I-III’ to the scroll instead for this to work perfectly!
(sorry for the thread derailment)
I think you’re referring to me, instead of Smithers. But yea, I’m bouncing back and forth between “Shroud of the Sith” and “Shroud of the Dark Side”. I didn’t realize there was another edit called “Shroud of the Dark Side”, so I’ll probably stick with the “Sith” version.
Sorry about that Sheepish, I got you both mixed up as I was typing that quickly. As for your title, ‘Shroud of the Sith’ sounds good too, if you decide to go with that.
liamnotneeson said:
Wow that is pretty short
This guy’s version of the prequels comes in at a reasonable 26 mins. 41 secs.! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA9I54CRE-U
(in hindsight, my own ideal version would have been the usual ‘The Phantom Menace’ scroll…ship approaches and requests to land…but once landed, we cut to pilot saying “Captain, look!”…as ship and occupants are then blown up! End of story, heh.)
Smithers, I noticed from your YouTube trailer that you’re now using the words ‘Shroud of the Dark Side’ instead of ‘Shroud of the Sith’ which you named this thread with, which reminded me of the following edit -
I don’t normally comment on/review other people’s editing choices for the prequels, as I have my own very strongly-held, specific ‘cutlists’ planned for each of them…but just as an aside, I came across this recently posted edit called ‘StarWars Episode I-III Shroud of the DarkSide Prequel Trilogy (Fan Edit) - RE-EDITED’…which has some ‘interestingly’-spelt words in it’s new scroll…
After all that effort, poor guy, heh. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgvZxBbh6dE
Things are progressing really well.
I won’t quote your whole post adywan, but thanks for your recent update on page 1288 (before the dark times started…)
Some interesting stuff to be going on with there, especially about when you hope to get the initial mkv 720p release out there!
With a few reservations, I liked the movie overall…but would like to tweak certain moments here and there eventually. I’ve just seen the home release trailer today which shows a ‘time-stamped’ deleted scene. I was hoping that the ‘Snow Speeder Chase’ scene was fully completed in 5.1 sound and potentially usuable, but if they ALL end up ‘time-stamped’ then that’s a real pity. I’ll still be tweaking the actual movie for myself, regardless.
And for the editors hoping to use the Deleted Scenes in their fan edits, if they are presenting these scenes on the disk the way they show it in their commercial, then you’re sh*t out of luck.
Gah, with a few reservations I liked the movie overall, but there are a few tweaks I’d like to make for my own version eventually. However, I knew that fully ‘colour-corrected’, 5.1 sound, finished deleted scenes were a big ask to expect. I’d especially hoped that the ‘Snow Speeder Chase’ action scene could be used seeing as it’s being included…but if ALL the deleted scenes end up ‘time-stamped’, then that’s that!
The new ‘Han in Carbonite’ shots are looking terrific and seamless - and the preview on the previous page showing how it will look in ‘ROTJ:Revisited’ looks fantastic. This particular mis-match was something that few (if any) of us would have thought could be fixed at the outset, and was one that I’m sure most of us would have have not worried about too much…but all the extensive work on altering the shirt detail will prove an especially welcome effort by the time we eventually see it in the close-ups when Han is released. An incredible bit of work once again adywan!
han is killled by his son ben aka kylo ren and luke is in at the end
Nice review! - I lol’d. 😃
No time to include all my own initial impressions at the moment, but just to say for now that I’m ‘conflicted’…as I REALLY loved a lot of things…yet was a little underwhelmed by certain others. I look forward to reading how others here are finding the movie so far.
This trilogy of edits just seems to have a checklist of disliked moments cut out. I wouldn’t expect someone to see this and feel like they just watched a polished film.
I kept Vader’s “NOOO” precisely because it was too jarring to remove while keeping the rest of the scene. Most YouTube work I’ve seen (at least for single film edits; I don’t really care for 3-in-1’s) just cuts things wherever and may or may not smooth over the audio and apply a wipe transition. The Anti-Cheese versions are far from the worst, but the murky world of FE.org has collectively put out much better work, though aren’t as enticing as clicking on a YouTube link.
ImperialFighter, please let us know if you find anything in YouTube that’s well done, though.
Hal 9000, I haven’t had a chance to fully check out these ‘anti-cheese’ versions yet, as I said…so can’t comment on how ‘polished’ the choices and editing will seem to me - but I reckon the merits of every fan edit is very ‘subjective’ to different people anyway, and that their view of an edit’s quality will depend largely on what they personally think should be removed from each prequel’s footage - and some will be far more specific than others about what they wish to see included or excluded.
There seems to be so many shots and lines of dialogue that different people dislike about them, that they lend themselves to a multitude of re-editing possibilities - and in addition to that, there also seems to be numerous ways to alter some of the most commonly re-edited sequences too - for instance, the various ‘end’ scenes to REVENGE OF THE SITH are but one example of where different fan editors have very differing ideas on how they ‘should’ be done.
In fact, my own planned sequence of re-cuts for these various ‘end’ scenes differ quite a bit from other ROTS edits I’ve come across so far…although I realise that I may be the only one that will enjoy seeing it done my way! - which is fine, as the time I spent working out various alternatives that I liked, eventually threw up the version I was most happy with personally - which doesn’t happen to include Vader’s “NOOO” however.
(by the way, I’ve actually got a copy of your ROTS edit, and I look forward to checking out your other 2 well-received prequel edits too, sometime)
However, while there are some other well-known prequel edits around, I thought I’d take the time to list the various ones I came across on YouTube recently, while they are still there…as this seems to be the only place where the majority of these are available, to my knowledge. Some of them may be of interest to others, although I don’t know what footage has been included or excluded from any of them, at this point.
For those interested, just type these particular titles into the YouTube ‘searchbox’ exactly as I’ve written them out in upper and lower case letters, as I’m not going to type out all the direct links (however, I’ll include the names of the editors and the running times too, so that you have an idea what you’re in for) - So in no particular order of preference whatsoever (as I haven’t watched any of them yet) -
Phantom Menace - Anti-Cheese Edit (by JeremyMWest-Esquire - features ‘creepy puppet Yoda’ - 1:40:49)
Phantom Menace - Anti Cheese Edit 1080 HD (by JeremyMWest-Esquire - features ‘CGI Yoda’ - 1:32:36, as he’s re-edited certain scenes since his initial version)
Attack of the Clones - Anti Cheese Edit (by JeremyMWest-Esquire - 1:58:10)
Revenge Of The Sith Anti-Cheese Edit (by JeremyMWest-Esquire - 2:05:45)
Star Wars The Phantom Menace Mature Edition (by matthew fisher - 1:51:27)
Star Wars Attack Of The Clones Mature Edition (by matthew fisher - 2:00:14)
Star Wars Revenge Of The Sith Mature Edition (by matthew fisher - 1:56:22)
Star Wars: The Last Turn to the Darkside (A Fan-Edit of the Prequels) (by GratefulDeadpool - 2:42:39)
Star Wars: The Blackened Mantle (The Prequels Rewritten / Recut) (by Darth Lunar - 2:46:39)
Star Wars: Neon Noir (Fan Edit) (by Only Yoda Forgives - 1:40:41)
FALL OF THE JEDI - A Unique Star Wars Prequel Edit (by Greg Bartlett - 2:29:04)
Star Wars I-III A Phantom Edit 1080p (by Andrew Kwan - 2:05:25)
Star Wars: A Vergence in the Force [Episodes I-III Fanedit] (by Editor Binks - 2:19:09)
Star Wars: The Fall of the Galactic Republic (by TJTheEmperor - 3:28:20)
Star Wars Episode I-III Rise of the Empire (Fan Edit) (by JXEditor - 2:02:35)
STAR WARS ORIGINS (Prequel Edit) (by Nico Negron - 2:31:27)
Star Wars Prequels Edited: Ep 2 & 3 (by Hijorn Bjorn - 2:26:04)
STAR WARS Episode I-III The Fall of The Jedi Order (Fan Edit) Prequels (by zaandarbrow 2nd Channel - 4:19:50)
Star Wars: The Fate of the Chosen (PREQUELS RECUT 2015) (by Taylor Melnik - 2:52:02)
STAR WARS: EPISODE I - THE PHANTOM MENACE: FORCE SPEED EDITION (by Crashlander - 1:11:55)
Star Wars Retake: I-III Fan Edit (by C. S. Wagner - 3:11:18)
Star Wars 1-3 Revenge of the Re-Edit (by B Visser - 2:02:21)
Star Wars: Episode I-III Flashback to the Dark Side (by Luke Skywalker - 26:41) - now that’s short!
And in addition to all the above, there was also one called Star Wars Prequels Fan-Edit: Order 66 1080p - but I never got a chance to see who it was by, or how long it was, as it seems to be gone now - and there will be other edits not listed above which will appear eventually too, no doubt.
While I know that none of these will organise the footage in precisely the way I want to see, there may be a moment or two that inspires me to tweak my preferred alterations a little - but that’s a lot of footage to trawl through, regardless of quality! 😉
(by the way, does anyone know how come a lot of these full-length edits manage to stay up on YouTube for so long, while other edited snippets and clips seem to be removed very quickly?)
Then, of course, the unimaginable happened in 2012. And I’ve been trying to convince myself that it’s really true ever since.
It’s true…all of it.
Enjoy the movie.
It’s more of a ‘review’-type thread, for everyone’s post-viewing thoughts…as opposed to a ‘spoilers-beforehand’ kind of thread, I guess. I just thought it would be good to encourage everyone to add their impressions in the one, single thread at this point. But no-one’s forcing you to use it, of course (see what I did there?) - I read your own comments with interest by the way, and look forward to seeing what others reckon to the movie as well.
Just wanted to remind everyone here that Jay has now added a dedicated thread for everyone who has seen the movie to add their thoughts to. And I suggest no peeking in this new thread whatsoever, until AFTER you’ve seen the movie for yourselves - originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Force-Awakens-Official-Review-Thread-SPOILERS/id/46786
I finally saw the movie for myself this afternoon here in the U.K., and look forward to adding some thoughts of my own eventually. 😃
Just wanted to remind everyone here that Jay has now added a dedidicated thread for everyone who has seen the movie to add their thoughts to. And I suggest no peeking in this new thread whatsover, until AFTER you’ve seen the movie for yourselves - originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Force-Awakens-Official-Review-Thread-SPOILERS/id/46786
I finally saw the movie for myself this afternoon here in the U.K., and look forward to adding some thoughts of my own eventually. 😃
Just saw Lifehacker did a story on Harmy too.
In addition to that article, I see that Harmy’s work has been featured again in this follow-up over on io9 (dot) com too - lifehacker.com/how-to-properly-catch-up-on-all-the-star-wars-movies-be-1748097695
(Harmy, that abc (Australia) link was a really neat write-up on your project. By the way, there seems to be a lot of gobbledygook text in your very first post now - I don’t know if it’s to do with the changeover in some way or not, but perhaps you may want to edit it)
Just thought I’d link to this recent article, as I agree with a lot of the thoughts in it - io9.gizmodo.com/no-matter-if-you-love-or-hate-return-of-the-jedi-youre-1748161502
A few thoughts before I check out of this thread entirely for the next few days…
I heard on the radio today that there are some who are now starting to see very early showings of ‘The Force Awakens’. With only 2 days to go before I get to finally see it for myself, I reckon it’s going to be a tough couple of days to avoid some sort of random ‘early review’ etc. on the Net, on TV, on radio, or in the papers…
But I’m gonna try my best…as the last thing I want is to hear someone else’s point-of-view at this stage (whether positive or negative), after managing to avoid a lot of info. up till now - it hasn’t been easy! However, I’ll certainly be interested to catch up with all the reveals/speculation/and opinions I’ve missed in the spoiler threads these past weeks, once I’ve made up my own mind on it all.
After only seeing the initial 2 trailers, and knowing very few details about the storyline, I’m feeling optimistic while keeping my expectations reasonably moderate. I know it’s only another ‘Star Wars’ movie at the end of the day…but dammit, I want it to be one that a lot of audiences like.
Anyway, here’s what I’m personally hoping the movie will bring, and I’ll know in a couple of days -
I’m hoping that the lead-in logos to the ‘A long time ago…’ wording, main titles, and ‘scroll’ aren’t too jarring, seeing as the familiar 20th Century Fox image and fanfare are going to be absent this time around…
…and I’m hoping the ‘scroll’ wording will end up being a lot more enticing than the talk of ‘Trade embargos’ that we got for ‘The Phantom Menace’…and that it sets things up for this latest trilogy in a more appealing way…
…and I’m hoping that J.J. will give us a more memorable ‘opening shot’ than what we got for the start of the prequels - I’m not expecting anything as impactful as what we got for ‘A New Hope’, but I’m hoping for something a bit more eventful than the simple ‘panning’ shot we got of the ship at the start of George’s prequel trilogy…
…and I’m hoping that I like a lot of the design-work for the movie, where the vehicles…props…creatures…costumes…and sets are concerned. I’m sure I’ll dislike some aspects, but I hope that I’ll end up liking most of them - and I can’t wait to see some of the inevitable ‘Art of…’ books that will follow…
…and I’m hoping that John Williams has managed to come up with another excellent score, as that’s one of the aspects I’m most looking forward to once again - and the soundtrack will be another must-have to get eventually…
…and I’m hoping that the storyline does the older Luke, Han, and Leia characters justice, and that we don’t have too many instances of George’s ‘mirrored’ dialogue throughout the movie (rehashing if you ask me) - I don’t particularly need to hear someone repeating the “I have a bad feeling about this” line again, for instance…unless it’s by 'ol Han himself…just once. One of the things I’m confident about though, is that none of the dialogue in this will be as dire as some of the worst which was written for the prequels…so that will be an immediate improvement…
…and I’m hoping that Darth Vader’s ‘Chosen One’/Force-induced ‘immaculate conception’ origin isn’t mentioned…as I don’t want to include that aspect in my prequel re-edits whatsoever…
…and I’m hoping that the Jedi ‘rule’ of ‘no close relationships allowed’ isn’t maintained either…as I don’t want to include that aspect in my prequel re-edits either…
…and I’m hoping for some humourous little moments that are actually warm and funny once again. Something along a more ‘childlike’ vein, such as when Artoo slowly keeled over after being zapped by the Jawas in ‘A New Hope’, or when Chewie startled the ‘mouse droid’…rather than done in a ‘childish’ manner, like when Jar Jar stepped in poodoo, or got farted on in ‘The Phantom Menace’…
…and I’m hoping the little BB-8 droid is going to be as appealing as I think he’s going to be…
…and I’m hoping that the majority of the special effects will indeed look cutting edge and special, as these movies always pushed the envelope where those were concerned…
…and I’m hoping that I’ll be very satisfied by the time 'J.J.'s end credits appear, and that I’ll leave the cinema looking forward to the next instalment…knowing that the ‘Star Wars’ brand is back with a successful bang, despite the missteps of the prequels…and knowing that lots of fans of the overall saga will be able to feel the same…
…it’s a big ask, but not long now till I find out… 😃
I see these particular edits have recently gotten a little love over on io9 (dot) com too, and I always find it interesting to read the various comments at the bottom of articles like these - (note - this article includes a newer link to JeremyMWest-Esquire’s ‘The Phantom Menace Anti-Cheese Edit’, which shows it in full HD now) - io9.com/include-these-anti-cheese-star-wars-prequels-while-you-1747781701
I actually downloaded a heap of prequel edits from Youtube over the last couple of weeks - approx. 15 or 16 of them in total (!), both individual and 3-in-one style versions. This was because I don’t think any of them are listed over at Fanedit (dot) org…and I was curious to see what these guys had done with certain scenes compared to my own intended ‘cut-lists’. And also because I wasn’t sure how long they would be available to view there!
I haven’t had the time to check out any of them properly yet, but I skimmed a couple of the scenes in JeremyMWest-Esquire’s ‘The Phantom Menace Anti-Cheese Edit’…and his re-subtitled Watto dialogue about ‘detonating’ young Anakin when he first appears gave me a chuckle - this new dialogue should be in every edit that features this scene now, as far as I’m concerned…and Watto delivers the line with aplomb. 😃
On the strength of that alone, I’m going to check out all of these ‘anti-cheese’ edits throughout, to see what else he came up with - I know he’s scrapped Shmi’s ‘immaculate conception’ assertion to Qui-Gon, which is a bit of dialogue I’m definately removing too…as I’m very content to leave whatever happened to Anakin’s ‘father’ as an open-ended question - I just imagine he probably died or got killed when Anakin was even younger…or maybe he was just ‘passing through’ that part of Tattooine at the time, and only had a brief fling with Shmi before moving on to somewhere uknown to her - who knows? 😉
Personally, I’m not keen on the whole ‘chosen one’ aspect of the Jedi that George settled on…but can accept that storyline better so long as there’s no ‘unexplained birth/midiclorians’ involved whatsoever.
And the next prequel edit I hope to watch all the way through after those, will be one called ‘Star Wars: The Blackened Mantle (The Prequels Rewritten/Recut)’ by Darth Lunar - this looks to be a really interesting 3-in-one style edit, due to the fact it uses the Japananese language soundtracks, and has been completely re-subtitled throughout! So as I don’t understand Japanese, I can watch (and listen) to this quite happily, and imagine it to be a ‘foreign film’ version of the movies. Again, I’ll be interested to see what Darth Lunar came up with, and I reckon it could transform the tone of these movies with an almost ‘samurai’-type of gravitas for certain characters now.
For the record, my own ideal versions won’t have any re-subtitling over and above the brief subtitles that already exist in the prequels, as I want my younger family members to be able to easily follow what’s being said by the characters…without asking me what they are saying throughout! 😉
However, Darth Lunar’s edit looks to be a very different take on the source material, and I don’t mind reading fully-subtitled movies, personally. There’s a link to it in the first post of this recent thread about it, if anyone else is interested - originaltrilogy.com/topic/Has-anyone-watched-The-Blackened-Mantle/id/46103
(By the way, can anyone tell me how on earth some of these full-length edits have remained up on Youtube for so long, while other snippets and clips get removed almost instantly? I’m curious to know)
I’m pretty sure this refers to Disney editing the prequels, not fanedits, and especially having the original prequels vanish.
This was certainly the way I was interpreting it, as I had suggested just that beforehand. But while I agree with GlastoEls that it was ‘double standards’ on my part to do so…I’m more than comfortable with that, where George’s prequels are concerned. 😉
In addition to the ‘extended’ versions of the prequels that ADigitalMan released, he also re-cut each of them too. I always happened to like the title he gave to his TPM edit, which was ‘Episode I: A Vergence In The Force’
(and the other titles he used were ‘Episode II: Path To The Darkside’ and ‘Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith’)
Here’s his thread - originaltrilogy.com/topic/id/2446
Despite my intention to alter a lot of George’s prequel footage for myself, I’ll be keeping the existing ‘The Phantom Menace’/‘Attack Of The Clones’/‘Revenge Of The Sith’ title scrolls just as they are - but I think ‘Episode I: A Vergence In The Force’ would have been a terrific title to name the ‘first’ chapter of the official prequel trilogy with instead…as I really happen to like how the combination of words work together.
And as far as the original ‘STAR WARS’ movie goes…even though we’re all completely used to it being sub-headed ‘Episode IV: A New Hope’ these days, I reckon ‘Episode IV: A Vergence In The Force’ could have also worked as an excellent re-naming of that particular chapter too, at the time.
We cannot campaign for the OOT and simultaneously call for editing of the PT.
Double standards of the highest order.
Agreed. Better to wait to see if we get the OOT out of Disney first… 😉
Do we then start a petition to bring back the Original Prequel Trilogy? Their badness is part of our cultural history and needs to be preserved for future generations to loathe.
Heh, all good points there Frank, but it would certainly make for delicious irony if Disney were to re-cut George’s versions somewhat…for the sake of the future generations of fans who have yet to see the prequels. And for additional fun, they could always release ‘limited edition’ non-animorphic ‘bonus’ discs of his original prequel versions for anyone curious in future…
However, I agree that the existing prequels require a drastic amount of re-editing/cutting to help improve some core flaws, rather than just a snip here and there…but I still doubt that Disney would totally ‘overwrite’ George’s efforts with a complete remake anytime soon, even if some would welcome that.
I agree with those who reckon that there are plenty of other stories for Disney to come up with/or ‘milk’ over many long years, without contemplating a whole new ‘re-imagining’ of George’s prequels whatsoever.
However, I’ve no doubt that there are some at Disney who would certainly welcome the notion, if they thought there was some serious money to be made by doing so! 😃
But while there’s a certain section of the ‘Star Wars’ fanbase who would no doubt love to see a ‘different’ storyline for the ‘early years of Anakin/Darth Vader’ altogether, there’s also a section that hold the existing prequels in high regard - warts and all. A lot of them will always have a lot of affection for them, no matter what…especially if they were the movies that they saw on the big screen first, and happened to be their initial introduction to George’s overall saga.
Personally, I didn’t like the particular ‘tragic downfall of Anakin Skywalker’ scenario that George settled on, never mind how he went about scripting it…but one way or another, that’s the version of events that he decided on, and that’s what’s on the shelves. I just don’t think that Disney would go the extra mile of ‘re-doing’ the ‘prequel storyline’ any time soon, considering the sheer amount of characters and settings that the franchise offers them already.
On the other hand, I’d sure like them to do a ‘compromise’ of sorts…and re-edit each prequel into something a lot less awkward overall, to get rid of their worst moments! - hell, they could ‘market’ these re-edited ‘re-issues’ as being ‘a world’s first in home cinema’…and have them become the ‘de facto’, improved versions instead…with the existing versions eventually disappearing from the store shelves and TV schedules altogether!
Ah well, I can but hope… 😉
But no matter, as I’ve come up with ‘cut-lists’ of my own which I’m very satisfied with, and can re-edit them for myself in due course - for various reasons, I’ll always look on these chapters as merely a ‘companion piece’ to be watched once the original trilogy has been seen…as the saga will ALWAYS begin with the mid-adventure Stardestroyer chase of ‘A New Hope’ for me, and be focused on Luke first and foremost.
And to end on a happy note for myself, I’ve now worked out a way which makes it absolutely necessary for me to only watch the prequels AFTER seeing the original trilogy, despite what the ‘chapter numbers’ say - and I’m extremely pleased with what I’ve come up with, as it really helps me to ease into the existing ‘Phantom Menace’ scroll and storyline much better now. 😃