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Imagine if Landis meant Disney are going to re-release the original cuts on the BIG screen, but won't put 'em out on blu-ray, lol.  ;)

Although I've been avoiding threads and spoilers to do with 'The Force Awakens' for a while now (and hope to do the same with it's sequels), I'm not too fussed about seeing early images from the 'standalone' entries.

Nice to see some 'classic'-looking Stormies in these early set photos, but I'm a little disappointed they haven't been given the original footwear - or at least, it looks that way from these distant pics.  Oh, well, I guess the 'pointy, heeled boots' were an 'upgrade' to the Empire-issued kit come the events of 'A New Hope'. :)

Ronster said:

 The Reason his shirt becomes turquoise or greyish is because of the bluescreen removal. Again we are talking about shots that have a falcon cockpit window in it.

But the damage goes far greater than just Lando's lilac shirt.

All shots with a window practically destroy anything blue or with blue in it.

Sure, I'm aware of the various colouration issues in these particular shots Ronster, and I've also read your previous comments on them. 

But I've long since moved on from mourning the loss of the movie's original look, which ended up being replaced by some dreadful 'tinting' and 'crushed blacks' etc. - and the 'rusty'-looking Falcon interiors seen during the latest 9 minute clip are good examples of how things were messed up long ago.

Barring an awful lot of work, there's only so much that adywan can do with picture information which just isn't visible anymore, but I'm pleased he's managed to improve things overall now, as Lando's inconsistent shirt was particularly jarring from shot to shot for me. 

xxtelecine 7xx said:

LOL Wow, It must have taken you as much time to analyze these shots and write up your thoughts as it took ADYWAN to create it...

Good post though never the less...

Let's put it this way, that 9 minute segment alone of adywan's current edit makes me realise that the eventual 'Visual Comparison' record for ESB:R is going to have a truly incredible amount of screenshots and info. when it's finally covered!      

I can certainly appreciate *why* this edit has taken adywan so many years to complete - it's due to the sheer number of things he's ended up attending to throughout the whole movie, whether big or miniscule.  Far, far more than I'd have ever guessed that he'd be able to undertake when he started it.

In addition, I forgot to add in my previous post that it was also neat to finally see Lando consistently wearing a BLUE shirt throughout that clip, rather than it changing to grey in some of the shots.  :)

(by the way xxtelecine 7xx, it's not necessary to quote the whole of a long post in future just to comment with a couple of remarks, as it's a chore for everyone to scroll past the same thing again needlessly)

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adywan, something I've been meaning to ask is - do you have some sort of method for keeping a note of all any particular points and suggestions that might interest you from the many, many comments here and over on your 'Revisited' facebook page over the years?  Or do you just mainly check certain things out as you happen to read them anywhere?  Or just try and memorise them as you go along, to check out at a later stage?  Just curious. 

(Also, I recently came across the latest versions of a couple of AT-AT Battle shots that you'd previewed - the new sky replacements are fabulous, and really add to the look of the original shots now.  And I loved seeing the tiny 'Luke' figure in place.  Marvellous stuff) :)  

adywan said:

Here is a new clip.  It's just under 9 minutes long and about 260MB.

First chance I've had to offer some thoughts on your recent extended clip adywan.  Some incredible work throughout once again, whether it be big enhancements or teensy-weensy tweaks since your last previews of these scenes.  It's truly amazing just how much has been altered and improved during this 9 minute segment alone, compared to the SE version!  :)

But I happened to notice a couple of small issues which stood out a little for me during all this goodness, so I'll describe them for the sake of 'feedback'/'observations' for yourself and everyone else (and will number/embolden them for easier viewing amongst my other comments, as this post will be lengthy!  Those of a nervous 'who cares?, just release the edit dammit!' disposition may wish to just scroll past...)   

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'Vane/Gantry Duel' Section

This whole section of your clip now has many terrific enhancements and fixes throughout (and I especially love all your improvements to the shot at 00:34 where the tiny figures of Luke and Vader exit the opening of the enormous 'Vane').  It's great to see the addition of the 'piece of tubing' on the end structure where Luke ends up, which was missing in certain shots - it may be a minor fix since your 'Xmas 2011 clip' version of this scene, but it's a very welcome one to see for consistency's sake.  (I also note that you slightly amended the 'airflow' of the steam/smoke coming from your 'Carbon Chamber' pipes, by the way - to allow for the windy conditions in the chasm I presume?  A nice subtle touch)

1.  I was also pleased that you ended up adding a touch of RED to the majority of the many 'missing' (black) chasm 'exhaust ports', as they help improve the background mattes no end.  But I see the ones during the shot where Vader slices the columns at 01:04 in your clip are *still* black (no biggie of course, and l imagine the earlier ones seen when Luke fights Vader at the window before crashing through it are difficult to re-colour too, due to movement unfortunately)  

2.  Also, in the shot of the chasm at 02:40 in your clip (which we see immediately after Luke first looks down), the row of vertical lights on the strip that the 'Vane' is attached to, are *still* WHITE...which unfortunately mis-matches with the all the other shots where you've made them RED now.  These new red vertical lights look great, by the way.

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'Underneath Cloud City/Falcon Rescuing Luke' Section

The numerous new cloud shots are all superb, and the re-colouring of the them along with the city's underside really ties everything together better now.  All your time-consuming 'rotoscoping' really paid off here.

3.  It's interesting to see how you've re-structured things where the Falcon approaches Luke now...but I'm a little sorry to lose one of the shots of Luke, as I liked the flow of all the original shots of his precarious situation at this point - and I'll go into this a bit more shortly.  (But first, for the benefit of anyone who didn't notice, I'll summarise your changes - I'll ignore the SE version which crudely chopped things up with various 'shuttle' shots, and only describe the difference between the original (GOUT) version shots and the latest clip) -

In the original (GOUT) version, the Falcon turns around and immediately after Vader says "Bring my shuttle!" there was an initial wide shot of Luke still hanging upside down at the top of the stem he's on (on the left of the frame), before we cut to the distant shot of the small Falcon nearing Cloud City.  Lando then spots the tiny figure of Luke hanging upside-down through the cockpit as they get nearer, and we eventually see another wide shot of Luke making a risky movement onto a lower part of the strut he's on (in the middle of the frame), while the Falcon approaches towards us in the distance (in the left of the frame).  After a couple of close-up shots showing Chewie growling and Leia watching, we then see the small figure of Luke through the cockpit again, where he is now sitting on the lower part of the strut and kicking one of his legs forward, as Leia's voice says "Okay, easy Chewie".  Finally, we see a wide shot where we now see the back of Luke as he sits and kicks his leg out, as the Falcon looms large directly below him. 

In the latest clip however, the Falcon turns around and immediately after Vader says "Bring my shuttle!" we now lose the shot of Luke hanging upside down (on the left of the frame) - it's been replaced with the shot of Luke making a risky movement onto a lower part of the strut, which originally came several shots later (except he's now positioned on the left of the frame, and there's no Falcon approaching in the distance anymore).  We then cut to the distant shot of the small Falcon nearing Cloud City, but when Lando first spots the tiny figure of Luke through the cockpit, it's now a re-use of him sitting on the lower part of the strut, which wasn't seen until several shots later in the original version - although his position still matches with the earlier 'replacement' shot in the clip, where he now continues to sit and kick his leg out until the Falcon looms large directly below him.  Additionally, a shot of Chewie growling has also been removed as the Falcon gets nearer to Luke now.

(For anyone curious, the replaced shot of 'Luke making a risky movement onto a lower part of the strut as the Falcon approaches' can be seen at 1:50:09 on the SE dvd - and is on the original (GOUT) version too, of course)   

I just happen to like the additional, delayed lead-up to Luke making his risky movement onto the lower part of the strut, I guess - I think what jars a little for me is the fact that we now see Luke constantly slowly kicking his leg out in the exact same way during this scene (and I think it's the fact that this Luke element looks strangely like a 'stop-motion puppet' compared to the other shots of him, which is why I preferred to see it used just once like it was the original sequence of shots) - however, if that re-used Luke element could have been made to 'kick out' *less* in one or two of the shots, it would work a lot better I reckon.

I realise that the small approaching Falcon is *too far away* from Luke when we see it approaching him in that particular original shot you removed/exchanged - as it doesn't match with the previous *closer* viewpoint of Luke we see through it's cockpit...but I'd have liked to have seen it retained in it's original place, except with a *closer* Falcon approaching Luke instead, at that point...so that the earlier wide shot of Luke upside-down could have remained.

However, your new version is very cleverly done adywan, and certainly still works fine - and it's always fascinating to see how you re-arrange the order of some shots altogether.

4.  Unfortunately, the detailing on the close-up of the Falcon's 'radar dish' looks all wrong during the shot where Luke falls downwards (seen at 05:43 in the clip)  It seems you've had to leave it as it is though. 

(but nice to see that you've now removed the titchy 'widget' from the top of the Falcon's guns when it hovers below Luke)

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'Vader On Executor Bridge' Section

Although each of the Original Trilogy movies had very high production values overall, where design work, set construction, costumes, etc. are concerned...the sheer amount of 'continuity errors' throughout this particular section of ESB always amazes me - I know that 'shortcuts' are part of the 'magic of the movies', and things go unnoticed on a single 'Theatrical' viewing or two...but there sure were are an awful *lot* of confusing 'positioning' issues and set mis-matches during these bridge shots, when scrutinized a little.  Any kind of 'continuity control' seemingly went out the window when these shots were filmed and put together...and they never gave a good indication of where the hell Vader was mean to be positioned. 

Until now. :) 

It's been fascinating to see your continuous refining of various shots these past years, adywan.  And the final re-structuring you've come up with for these 'Executor bridge' scenes are a marvel - the new shot of Vader walking towards the front windows, along with the various new backgrounds you came up with, make complete sense of his movements on the bridge now, and look terrific compared to the original sequence.  (the re-used 'wide bridge' shot is a great establishing replacement for the original shot of 'Vader looking out the window' you removed...and while I liked your earlier 'composite' bridge shot, I reckon you made the right call to *exclude* it at this point, due to the likes of the mis-matching crewmembers in it.  What you've done now works perfectly!  In addition, your new 'walking Vader' figure has turned out much better than the 'workprint' version too)

5.  However, while the flashing 'panel' lights are nice to see in the new wide bridge shot at 07:44, I found that additional amount of times the BLUE strips flashed on and off distracted from taking in all the other goodness overall.  They are certainly a welcome touch as they now tie-in with a couple of other bridge shots where they are briefly seen...but I reckon they would have been less disracting if they had been made to flash on and off a bit *less often* in this particular shot. 

I know you'll be adding these flashing blue strips to a couple of your other shots too...so that gives me an excuse to re-show another of your new wide bridge shots which shows off heaps of improvements when compared to the original versions (and I like that you improved some of those small ceiling lights either side of the large 'pipes' to make them symmetrical) - http://s2.postimg.org/a2m5p0qp5/officer.jpg

At the end of the day, none of the things I've brought up are biggies whatsoever in the scheme of things...especially considering the sheer amount of brilliance overall.

(Finally, I noticed you changed the single green 'panel' light to white when Vader first approaches Piette on the bridge - so checked to see if there was one on the other side of the 'shaking stardestroyer' bridge from earlier in the movie.  There was...and I see that you've removed it from your 'workprint' too, heh.  Now I really must get on with some work!...)

Gah, I'm against *any* further copies of the prequels and SEs (especially the latest versions) being churned out and foisted on the general public...ever!  And they can only water-down any anticipation newbies have for the new movie with such a close release to it, as far as I'm concerned!

Mind you, if the laughably-worded 'selling point' of '...more than 40 hours of previously-released extensive special features' actually includes HD versions of the prequel 'deleted' scenes, then it'll be a must-buy for the fan editors at least! :)

(but they'll probably just be SD quality again, if included at all)  

Possessed said:

Jackpumpkinhead said:

i hate to be "that guy" (*cough Ronster *cough) but is it just me or does 3P0's leg look gold and not silver like is it supposed to be?

 Que?

Yeah, it's not just you jackpumpkinhead.  Apart from his gold foot, the lower half of C3PO's right leg is silver all the way round throughout the movie.  Yet strangely, he suddenly has a gold front shin section in those shots of R2 attending to him as he sits, before returning to silver again when he's standing.

MrToad883 said:

Huge fan of hal9000's and l8wrtr's prequel edits, but definitely would love to give a "one and done" edit a shot. Sounds interesting.

The Prequels:One And Done!  There's your title right there chromesteel.  ;)

Clever cover image by the way.

mariotti said:

I haven't bought it yet, but I have heard there is a commentary.

 What's this 'bought' nonsense?  The fan edit is freely available.

Okay, adywan has now added a lengthy update on the Facebook page about where things currently stand with his 'ESB:R' project.

There's a few things of interest mentioned concerning his 'Han In Carbonite' resculpt etc., and he's planning to release a more finished clip of the 'Gantry Lightsaber Duel' right up to the 'Bespin Escape' in the next couple of days or so.  :)

See here - https://www.facebook.com/swrevisited

Altgr0160 said:

I know this might sound very silly. But deep down I was hoping that by having a color corrected trailer and showing the difference, it could get some exposure, and maybe a chance of influencing the final product. I doubt it, but I think it's worth a shot even if there is a very small chance that we won't get the orange and teal color corrected version in theaters.

Don't worry Altgr0160, there are many out there who are *already* aware of this issue and bringing it up.

For instance, if you'd tried searching 'Google' for color corrected the force awakens trailer for instance, then you would have come across this particular version that someone did a while back - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7nOq1ATzmM

Who knows?, perhaps we'll get a pleasant surprise come the movie's release, and find that it *isn't* as heavily graded as the trailers seem to be.  

Personally, for all J.J.'s efforts to introduce 'practical' creatures etc., I'd equally like to see him go easy on the colour-grading side of things - having said that, ever since some aspects of the OT got horribly re-graded and ended up with 'crushed blacks' for it's 2004 DVD release onwards, things have already gone to hell on this front. 

Welcome aboard.

For the benefit of jedimasterobiwan and everyone else, adywan posted this on his 'Star Wars Revisited' facebook page yesterday, so hang in there -

Updates on the progress of ESB:R will be posted after the weekend.  Working my ass off just now  ;)

jedimasterobiwan said:

i was quoting his post earlier because i didn't understand his issue with the x-wing.

Heh, I was actually going to mention this issue too, at the end of my previous post.  But I forgot. 

The thing is jedimasterobiwan, that you only asked Ronster a simple 'generalised' question about his post, and he (and we) didn't need to unnecessarily re-scroll down through *everything* he'd already written to know what you were talking about. 

It's like scrolling down one of those long 'skyscraper'* photos, when someone does that, just for future reference. 

(*why do I get the feeling that TV's Frink is itching to put one up now?  Maybe a 'link' to one will be allowable for demonstration purposes, however)  ;)

Ronster said:

So Imperial Fighter the engine on the right is actually meant to be an engine for the left??? (That is talking about it as we are looking at it)..

No, Ronster.  That's *not* what I was saying in my previous post, at all.  :(

However, I'll take another stab at describing things for you (along with some pics) 

First of all, this CGI shot correctly shows how the 'circular' turbine rims should look: -  The 'half-moon' section of the 2 UPPERMOST turbines on each side of the X-Wing have *thick* rims at the top of them, and *thin* rims on the bottom 'half-moon' section of them...while the 'half-moons' of the 2 BOTTOM turbines on each side of the X-Wing have that reversed, with the *thick* rims on the bottom 'half-moon' sections instead -

...and this full-scale prop below is correct too, and matches the way things are in the shot above -

...and to be specific, the *thick* 'half-moon' section rims are WIDER than their corresponding *thin* 'half-moon' sections on the 'circular' turbines too.  Or look 'mis-aligned', if you prefer that description.

But...in the shot below (which you originally brought up), as well as *wrongly* having the wings in an open 'deployed' angle at this point...it also seems that this particular 'cockpit' prop *wrongly* has *thin* rims on it's wider, top 'half-moon' sections here, where it's 2 uppermost turbines are concerned. -

Hope that clears things up.

Ronster said:

I can tell you this much it seems they put a correct sided engine on when we get to Luke flying through the Blue sky and fluffy Clouds of Bespin but no interior spindle detail to the engines on a bright sunny day???

Sorry Ronster, but I don't agree with the first part of your point here -  I can't be bothered grabbing a screenshot (it comes immediately before Han & the gang are led into the 'carbon chamber', if anyone wants to look), but it looks to be the same *wrong* 'cockpit' prop as above, due to it having the same *thinner* top 'half-moon' section on it's uppermost 2 turbines...unlike the correct 2 shots I posted.  That's going by the GOUT version anyway, as the SE version is hard to make out due to being darkened, as you say. 

Ronster said:

Because of the Bluescreen washout of R2 and that they had to re-color his panels they did not bother to add the blue background lights to the 2 square lights throughout all the re-colored R2 shots.

I thought this was potentially a good spot Ronster...until I checked.  It turns out those 2 Artoo lights are *not* always blue.  See where Luke takes off from Hoth in his X-Wing, as just one instance. 

Ronster said:

On those exterior side shots of R2-D2 all the top surface detail of which R2 resides within seems to have been ripped off this particular version of the x-wing. 

I can't say I agree with this either, Ronster.  The detail on the X-Wing model pic you showed doesn't look much like the prop's detailing in the 'side-onwards' Artoo shots, if you ask me. 

However, I do reckon there's a bit of difference on the top section of the X-Wing where Artoo sits...when it comes to his 'side-onwards' shots and the full-sized 'swamp' prop.  Again, no biggie if I'm right.

Ronster said:

I think that there is not anything else really to go over now in this film, I mean I have looked at this film with uber scrutiny and it still holds up well, there is nothing that totally is killing it.

If you don't find something else Ronster, then I'm a banana!  ;)

But even though there has been an incredible amount of interesting little flaws and anomilies brought up on this lengthy thread (*many* of which I hadn't noticed before, personally), there are *still* one or two involving 'Dagobah' that I know haven't been brought up yet.  That's my fault, and I still hope to stick them on here before too long, as 'observations'.  :)

Trouble is, I had taken a lot of time to draft up heaps and heaps of small screenshots (more than 60 over several posts!) ready to show along with my descriptions...and lost them *all* due to a damned shakeup with 'Imageshack's storage, before I could post them.  :(

And I've no doubt that there will be quite a few little flaws that adywan will touch up that no-one's noticed yet either!  :)

Ronster, that was a good shot of the full-size prop 'turbines' you posted back there.

One last observation on this - Remember that 'bottom' portion of the (uppermost) turbine which you originally queried and highlighted with a red outline?

Well, the strange thing is...while it is indeed just a 'thicker' rim portion of the turbine's lower half compared to the thinner rim at the top half, it seems that it's the *opposite* way round in the full-size X-Wing shot you've just shown in your last post - compared to Luke's 'cockpit' prop, the uppermost turbine on the full-size X-Wing prop has the 'thicker' rim portion on the *top* half, instead of the bottom half!  Did the blueprints (or the builders) get mixed up a little, I wonder? :)

*Note* - and just to confuse things further, a lot of non-movie X-Wing images inaccurately show the 'circular' rims of the turbines as being the *same* thickness in both the top and bottom halves.

brimforge said:

ah well, that solves some questions, so only one turbine is "wrong" ;-)

but about that ring, it is correct and slightly moved, meaning unlike in the screenshot of the game X-Wing, the turbine front is not a clean circle (but it would be if the bottom rim was as broad as the top one)

Heh, I see how it reads that way, brimforge.  Just to confirm, I meant that *both* 'turbines' are equally wrong in those shots of course.  ;)

As far as the 'circular rims' of the turbines go, they *aren't* a perfect circle as you say...although I've seen some X-Wing images where they are wrongly shown to be.  (I actually amended my last line in the post you quoted, to clarify that various 'google' images of them seem to vary)  

But here's an image which gives a decent look at how the top and bottom halves of the 'circular rims' are intended to be slightly mismatched with each other - http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150309054138/starwars/images/b/b2/X-wing_2_Fathead.png

Ronster said:

If you really wanted to go the whole hog on this part, on the side view Luke would Bank / slide away and descend to the planet Dagobah on that side view leaving the camera behind. Something like that would be very modern and of more worth more than a lot of little fixes of the minute.

An interesting notion there Ronster, but it's all the tiny little fixes (of what could be argued as inconsequential by some) which are adding together to make this 'Revisited' project so fantastic, I'd say.  :)

Ronster said:

adywan said:

(although the wings on the set were actually set to the open position and cut off mid way along the wings)

If what you are saying is the case then the engine is in the wrong position i.e. to high?

Are we talking a different kind of fix? Or just leave it as it is? Either way I am not pushing, I just felt that something was not right with this, and if what you are saying is true for which I believe you are telling us valuable information here about it. Then well I kind of feel like you have Answered very well but also raised a few other questions because the engines pivot up higher in attack (open) position. So even if nothing get's changed with it, it's now better to know a bit more about what is going on.

One last thing I had a look after what you said and then I noticed...

Is that the arm, that they use to shake the x-wing? Gimble arm or what ever it is to create movement?

Ronster, as adywan points out, it seems that Luke's X-Wing 'cockpit' prop did indeed have it's (cut down) wings set in an 'open' position...unlike the full-sized prop seen during the Dagobah swamp scenes.

(something along the lines of these particular behind-the-scenes cockpits, for instance) -

So you're right, that would make the prop 'engine turbines' slightly 'higher' in these shots than they would have been if they had been (correctly) closed when the X-Wing headed down to Dagobah.

But this unfortunately means that the middle 'horizontal' detail of the engine turbines also have an incorrect 'slanted angle' in these shots, because the wings are in the 'open' position. (this image gives a good idea of what I mean) -

(and here's your example pic again, which shows the incorrectly 'angled' engine detail a little better, without being obscured by your red outline) -

It's one of these little things that I've never actually noticed before, and I'm not sure it's something that can be rectified without a lot of additional work.  No biggie in the scheme of things, then.  :)

I also think that the small section you highlighted in your pic above just happens to be part the *lower section* of the engine turbine itself - but the strange thing is that it looks a bit 'thicker' than the top section.  I always thought that the rim of the 'circular' engine turbines was roughly the *same* thickness at the top and bottom...so that might just be down to the prop buiders, as some of their stuff is 'off' compared to the miniature work in a few instances.  On the other hand, the thickness of the top and bottom sections of the engine's 'circular rim' seem to vary when 'googling' various X-Wing images anyway.

adywan said:

No, you would not see the turbine in any of the R2 shots. Nothing was removed from the set piece in order to film these shots. Due to the angle of the shots and the lens used, it would be out of shot. As for seeing the guns, well no you certainly wouldn't see any of those as the wings are closed ( although the wings on the set were actually set to the open position and cut off mid way along the wings) . So there is nothing to fix regarding any of these.

 Good to see this issue put to bed finally. :)

adywan said:

Once the sculpt is complete, it will be cast and a resin duplicate made and then painted

Ah, of course.

Thanks for clarifying. :)

Sure looks like a 'carbonite' surface to me.  Great stuff!

Inspired use of good 'ol plasticine for this.  I've never tried spraying it before, but I take it any paint applied to it will not react before you're done filming it?

The AT-AT miniature looks excellent so far adywan, and so does the lighting on your half-finished Falcon over on the Facebook page! - https://www.facebook.com/swrevisited

doubleofive said:

Tobar said:

I think the shot was setup in a way so that the front engine wasn't in the shot but was still physically there.

Also, I imagine if we look hard enough we can find a ton of shots where the camera is behind the fourth wall and therefore the shot shouldn't exist, so why not have an invisible engine?

And these bring me right back to my initial thoughts on the previous page where I showed the Kenny Baker/Artoo behind-the-scenes pic. 

I'm so confused!

So in no particular order, there seems to be a total of 4 ways to look at this shot, judging by all the comments -

1.  The engine turbine was removed from the full-scale X-Wing section for some reason, but *would* have been visible in the shot in a similar position as Ronster's mock-up showed. 

or

2.  The engine turbine was removed from the full-scale X-Wing section because the camera was placed in a spot where the engine would have originally been...so we *wouldn't* see it in the way that Ronster's mock-up showed (the 'invisible fourth wall' option as doubleofive suggests).

or

3.  The engine turbine *wasn't* removed from the full-scale X-Wing section, but the camera was positioned in a spot where it just ended up being unseen and just out of the frame (as Tobar and others suggest)

...and it could be argued that it was either just out of the frame somewhere at the *bottom* of the shot...or just out of the frame somewhere at the *right* of the shot (as yoda1138's diagram showed).

or

4.  Irrelevant of whatever the truth, Ronster's mock-up to include the engine looks quite good...and would make for a nice addition (and this was the one I ended up agreeing with, until I realised that doing the same with the 'shakey' Artoo shots would likely be too difficult)

Until adywan decides, take your pick everyone. :)

Bingowings said:

The mock up visually makes sense to my eyes and doesn't take Artoo out of the main focus of the shot.

It's very much up to Ady what he does but it seems to make sense to me.

Yes, agree that this addition wouldn't distract from Artoo as the focus whatsoever.

The more I look at Ronster's mock-up, the more I like the idea of the engine turbine being added in a somewhat similar way to the shot.  It just looks *right* to see it included it in the frame, and would make for a nice addition.

Unfortunately, as it might prove too tricky to *also* add a matching hint of it to the slightly closer, but very 'shaky' Artoo shots that come soon afterwards as the X-Wing enters the clouds/mist...then I'll happily accept it as being just 'offscreen'.

yoda1138 said:

yoda1138 said:

regarding the engine talk, i noticed this.. see image mock up..

 As its still being discussed, i wonder if my post may have been missed regarding the perspective/ vanishing points. I personally believe the shot filmed was correct in the beginning with no engine removed to film R2. Maybe a wide angle lens was used? if you follow the green line on the right, look at the panel line behind R2 on the deck of the ship. it follows the green line, as do the windows follow the lines on the right. the red hoops are where i'd assume the engine fronts would have been on the ship. actually, i should have but the right hoop a tad lower, as the shot of the xwing is not dead on side view or we wouldn't see the top of the deck at all.  Though, i do think Adys addition of the engine looks aesthetically pleasing.  Thats my 2 cents.

I hadn't missed it yoda1138, so much as I wasn't 100% certain what all the marks on your image were meant to be indicating.  It was a little confusing without any description, but you've cleared things up a bit better now...and I see your analysis is similar to what I was trying to get across in my previous post. :)

So for final clarification...I agree that the engine turbine nearest to us could be argued to be unseen and just offscreen, due to this shot being filmed with an unusual 'distorted' perspective...and the largest red 'oval' on your diagram correctly shows roughly where it might be using this way of looking at it, unlike brimforge's pics.  And on the other hand, if adywan decides to take some 'artistic licence' for visual purposes...then I reckon that Ronster's version shows roughly the best angle/positioning to fit it into the existing shot.