ImperialFighter

ImperialFighter said:

DominicCobb said:

I really have very small interest in TFA fan edits because I know they’ll mostly just cut out stuff I love, but there are some small quibblies that I’ll probably have to sort out for myself at some point.

For instance, and it’s strange no one’s mentioned this, but the Kylo speaks to Vader scene doesn’t really work. I mean, as a scene, by itself, it totally works. But it’s placement within the film just seems… random? It’s right in the middle of the sequence of the heroes at Maz’s castle, but it’s only about a minute long and doesn’t really have anything to do with that. So just a very short and unrelated detour, which sort of ruins the power of the scene a bit.

So I see two options to fix.
A) Make the scene more relevant to Kylo’s storyline. Solution: move the scene right after Snoke’s “We shall see.”
or B) Make the scene more relevant to the heroes storyline. Solution: move the scene right after Han and Leia talk about Kylo.

This sounds like a very good point indeed, considering that I found that substantially re-arranging the position of certain scenes in the prequels for my own cut-lists made them much more impactful for me. I’m definately gonna have a look at this suggestion of yours when I get around to pinning down my own TFA alterations. It’s a great scene, but I agree it’s placement might be more effective if used elsewhere.

I’ve spent a bit more time working out my own ideal version of TFA recently, and thought that some of you might be interested in my conclusion to do with DC’s suggestion above - while I reckon the ‘Stardestroyer/Kylo talking to Vader’s mask’ scene works well enough as a ‘cutaway-setting’ during the initial ‘Maz’s palace’ sequence at that point, I’ve decided I’d prefer to SHIFT it for my own version after all - although to a different spot to either of DC’s suggestions. And I’ve also decided I’d like to move the position of a couple of other major scenes too.

However, I’m currently very torn between whether I’d prefer to keep the FULL ‘Hux speech/Starkiller weapon firing/Finn & Han looking upwards as the Hosnian Republic planets are destroyed’ sequence as it currently stands (due to loving the score heard throughout it, and some of the shots included)…OR whether I’d prefer to CHOP IT UP and show the Starkiller weapon firing and destroying the planets after Han’s death instead (in a somewhat similar manner as the way shown in some edits/clips already - which unfortunately means losing a few ‘Kylo/Hux/First Order troops’ shots I really like, as well as the full melancholy score at this point). At the moment, I’m slightly leaning towards KEEPING the current overall structure just as it is, while changing other things in the movie…but I may end up doing BOTH versions eventually to see which flows best for me overall.

In the meantime, here are some scene rearrangements I’m planning for my version where the FULL existing ‘Hux speech/Starkiller weapon firing/Finn & Han looking upwards as the Hosnian Republic planets are destroyed’ sequence is KEPT just as it is -

To recap, the CURRENT sequence of scenes are arranged like this -

…once the Falcon blasts off at the end of the ‘rathtars’ sequence, we see the 'pirate informer’s close-up as he notifies the First Order that BB-8 is with Han in the Falcon…and then go to seeing 2 TIEs fly towards the Starkiller base as we see the 1st ‘Snoke/Hux/Kylo’ scene (which ends with Snoke saying “We shall see…we shall see”)…and then go to the Falcon in hyperspace/Han and Rey struggling for control/Finn bandaging Chewie/BB-8 showing Han his ‘piece of the map’/Han telling them “this is our stop”…and then go to the Falcon in hyperspace, as it approaches Maz’s planet/our heroes land on Maz’s planet, and enter Maz’s premises/where a droid informs the ‘resistance’ of their whereabouts, followed by a female informing the ‘First Order’ too…and then go to the Stardestroyer where Kylo speaks to Vader’s mask/and continue with Maz discussing things with Han, Rey, and Finn/as Finn tells Rey he’s leaving, and Rey ends up being drawn to Luke’s saber and has bad visions/before she tells Maz she wants nothing to do with it, and runs away into the woods…and then go to the ‘Starkiller planet/Hux’s speech/weapon firing/Kylo watching from stardestroyer bridge/Finn and Han’s reactions/Hosnian people and planets blowing up’ sequence…before eventually returning to Rey running through the woods, who has been followed by BB-8, as she then sees the approaching TIE ships flying overhead, and is eventually captured by Kylo soon after…

However, my own re-arrangement of the above scenes will look like this INSTEAD (with the shifted scenes in CAPITALS) -

…once the Falcon blasts off at the end of the ‘rathtars’ sequence, we see the 'pirate informer’s close-up as he notifies the First Order that BB-8 is with Han in the Falcon…AND THEN GO TO THE FALCON IN HYPERSPACE/HAN AND REY STRUGGLING FOR CONTROL/FINN BANDAGING CHEWIE/BB-8 SHOWING HAN HIS ‘PIECE OF THE MAP’/HAN TELLING THEM “THIS IS OUR STOP”…and then go to seeing 2 TIEs fly towards the starkiller base as we see the 1st ‘Snoke/Hux/Kylo’ scene (which ends with Snoke saying “We shall see…we shall see”)…AND THEN GO TO THE FALCON IN HYPERSPACE AGAIN AT THIS POINT, AS IT APPROACHES MAZ’S PLANET/our heroes land on Maz’s planet, and enter Maz’s premises/where a droid informs the ‘resistance’ of their whereabouts, followed by a female informing the ‘First Order’ too…AND CONTINUE WITH MAZ DISCUSSING THINGS WITH HAN, REY, AND FINN AT THIS POINT/as Finn tells Rey he’s leaving, and Rey ends up being drawn to Luke’s sabre and has bad visions/before she tells Maz she wants nothing to do with it, and runs away into the woods…AND THEN GO TO THE ‘STARDESTROYER WHERE KYLO SPEAKS TO VADER’S MASK’ SCENE…and then go to the FULL ‘Starkiller planet/Hux’s speech/weapon firing/Kylo watching from stardestroyer bridge/Finn and Han’s reactions/Hosnian people and planets blowing’ sequence as it currently stands in the movie…before eventually returning to Rey running through the woods, who had been followed by BB-8, as she then sees the approaching TIE ships flying overhead, and is eventually captured by Kylo soon after…

(Note: I reckon the current placement of the 1st ‘Snoke/Hux/Kylo’ scene certainly works just fine as it is after the ‘rathtar’ sequence ‘pirate informer’ notifies the First Order of BB-8’s whereabouts…and the only reason I’m moving it at all, is that I want to continue on with the Falcon’s interior scenes after it blasts off, and also like the notion of then SPLITTING the Falcon’s journey to Maz’s planet with the ‘Snoke cutaway-setting’ at that point instead…and while DC’s idea to stick the ‘Kylo/Vader’s Mask’ scene to immediately after the 1st ‘Snoke/Hux/Kylo’ scene can work quite effectively as a way to stay with a ‘Kylo cutaway setting’ a little longer, I just slightly prefer staying a little longer with him using a direct join with the ‘Hux speech/weapon firing’ scene instead…ESPECIALLY as the stardestroyer shots tie-in very nicely nearer together)

…and then jumping forward in the movie a little, I’ve also decided to shift the 2nd ‘Snoke/Hux/Kylo’ scene also - however, I’ve decided on a certain change for myself that I know some others aren’t keen on - totally removing the ‘Kylo unmasking/Rey interrogation’ scene, so that I can keep Kylo’s ‘face reveal’ until Han tells him to take his helmet off on the gantry. Thing is, due to the fact that the movie ends up revealing that Kylo is Han’s son early on in the proceedings…along with having the big set-piece of the Starkiller weapon destroying the planets early on too (about half-way through)…then I feel that I’d like to at least keep the ‘reveal/mystery’ of what ‘Ben’ actually looks like, to much later in the movie.

I wasn’t sure if it was possible to do this adequately for myself initially. But on balance I think so, as I can see a way where I can rearrange the footage/dialogue from BOTH of the ‘Snoke/Hux/Kylo’ scenes to still make 2 scenes that are satisfying enough for me…where Kylo keeps his helmet on throughout. And while I like the dialogue between Kylo and Rey in the interrogation scene, I reckon I can live without it for the ‘effect’ of Kylo’s reveal at the point Han catches up with him.

So here’s how I’d now insert the 2nd ‘Snoke/Hux/Kylo’ scene instead -

To recap, the CURRENT sequence of scenes are arranged like this -

…the movie has progressed from where Kylo took Rey away, to the point in the ‘resistance base’ where Leia is telling Han that she wants him to get their son back, and she walks away when told “General, the reconnaissance report on the enemy base has come in”…and then go to 2 TIEs flying over the snowy First Order base/where Rey wakens to her interrogation by Kylo/and the 2nd Snoke scene starts with him yelling “The scavenger resisted you?” at a HELMETLESS Kylo (and ends with Snoke saying “Bring…her…to…me”)/Rey struggles and attempts to make a trooper free her, as Kylo approaches with helmet on/Rey tries again, and succeeds in getting the trooper to free her and drop his weapon/as Kylo returns and smashes up the empty room with his sabre/as 2 troopers turn around and go back the way they came/and Hux on base bridge says "Begin charging the weapon, as we then see the sun sucked towards the planet, and we then return to the ‘resistance’ base as Poe discusses the Starkiller hologram with everyone…

And here’s how my own re-arrangement of the scenes will look INSTEAD (with the shifted scene in CAPITALS) -

…the movie has progressed from where Kylo took Rey away, to the point in the ‘resistance base’ where Leia is telling Han that she wants him to get their son back, as she walks away when told “General, the reconnaissance report on the enemy base has come in”…and then go to 2 TIEs flying over the snowy First Order base…AND THEN GO TO A ‘REARRANGED’ VERSION OF THE 2ND ‘SNOKE/HUX/KYLO’ SCENE WHERE KYLO ‘KEEPS HIS HELMET ON’ (AND ENDS ON SNOKE SAYING “BRING…HER…TO…ME”)…and then go to Rey struggling and attempting to make a trooper free her, as Kylo approaches with helmet on/Rey tries again, and succeeds in getting the trooper to free her and drop his weapon/as Kylo returns and smashes up the empty room with his sabre/as 2 troopers turn around and go back the way they came/and Hux on base bridge says “Begin charging the weapon”, as we then see the sun sucked towards the planet, and we then return to the ‘resistance’ base as Poe discusses the Starkiller hologram with everyone…

So that’s what I’ve got in mind for all that if I KEEP the Starkiller weapon firing where it currently is in the movie. (but of course, certain scenes would be re-arranged a bit differently for my version where it fires AFTER Han’s death)

Bingowings said:

😄

Your ‘smiley’ is only showing as an ‘oblong’ for me, which is a pity as we need more smileys around here.

(I intended to post this yesterday adywan, but got called away by the missus) -

Having checked in on ‘Star Wars Day’ to see if there was anything of interest going on with the site, I was sorry to read of all the recent shenanigans around here. But without quoting any of your recent specific comments, I really hope that you’ll just totally forget about feeling you have to stick to any proposed release date for finishing ‘ESB:Revisited’ you are currently aiming for, if it is just adding to any other day-to-day pressures at the moment.

While I’m one of those who are keenly awaiting it one day, I really hope you don’t continue to feel that you’ve ‘kept everyone waiting too long as it is’, or put more pressure on yourself by thinking that - just try to ignore any worries you may be giving yourself on that issue…as the fact is that it’s taken as long as it’s taken due to the considerable amount of complicated enhancements you’ve achieved…and having been one of the lucky few to have seen a very early, unfinished version (along with certain other shot previews from you), I can only repeat that I believe everyone anticipating this project will be completely blown away when it is properly good and ready - and that an arbitary ‘completion date’ is not an additional pressure you should be giving yourself for the sake of the more impatient out there. Personally, I’ve been amazed that despite the considerable ups-and-downs you’ve had along the way, the enthusiastic, sheer hard work you’ve still managed to maintain on it throughout.

This particular thread has been a constant source of inspiration to a lot of us due to your many generous and thoughtful previews and responses over the years, and has generated some worthy ideas from some, along with plenty of humour (and unintended humour!) from others…and these forums will be far the poorer for losing your regular input around here, if that remains the case - I mean, can you imagine the ‘fun/and disagreements’ we’d all miss out on where some of the ‘ideas/contributions’ offered by some for any future ‘ROTJ:R’ and ‘Prequels:R’ threads are concerned…?

So I hope you’ll feel able to return here at some point in the future when things improve, and just take however long it continues to take to get your project 100% perfect for yourself…no matter the time it might still take to do so.

Anyway, I’d just like to add that I loved the addition of the Blockade Runner to the ‘rebel fleet’ pic you released over on your Facebook page yesterday. Very neat to see it in that shot - https://www.facebook.com/swrevisited

‘May The 4th’ continue to be with us all in the future.

(by the way, it was nice to see the Obamas dancing with R2 and the stormtroopers - if we don’t see and eventual President Clinton/or President Trump(!) doing something similar next year, then impeach them I say)

darthrush said:

I would also maybe try to do the following in line with your plot restructuring:

-Cut together a star being sucked up with Hux’s speech. I overlayed it with the last section of “Anakins Dark Deeds”. If you want a preview clip, I can upload that. Basically Hux now prepares a speech for the star being sucked up. This is cut together pretty well.

This was the same way that ‘Noodle_Finger’ recut his version, and it indeed works well for anyone that wishes to place the ‘superweapn destroying the planets’ scene after Han’s death - he basically ended the ‘Hux speech’ with the shot of all the First Order troopers raising their arms.

TK251, I’ll be interested to see what bits and pieces you’ve chosen to alter for this. I’ve only checked out one completed edit of this movie so far, and that was by a guy called ‘Noodle_Finger’ on reddit which came out recently - (I’ll be sending you the link for it sometime soon, and can give it to anyone else that wishes to see it too, if they want to)

It was the first time I’d seen how things looked where placing the ‘superweapon blowing up the planets’ scene after ‘Han’s death’ scene was concerned. I liked seeing it played out that way…but have decided I’ll be keeping the whole complete scene as it is/where it is in the scheme of things for my own ideal cut-list…as I really like the Williams music that plays during that whole sequence, as well as certain shots of Hux watching the proceedings (which I’d have to discard/chop up otherwise). It remains one of my favourite sequences from the movie, and I’m loathe to dilute it’s impact for me. Still, I’ve managed to work out a few other little tweaks and re-arrangements of my own which will make the movie even more to my liking in other ways.

For instance, I’d already decided to shorten the ‘Rathtar’ scene for myself in a very similar way as your Vimeo clip showed - where Rey holds her mouth at what she’s seeing, before she then begins to run off with Finn…and we then cut to the Falcon seen through the doorway as Han and Chewie are firing, as Rey and Finn then appear again. It was nice to see it play out that way in your clip too, and I think that works really well to shorten the overall sequence for the better.

By the way, I’ve decided to make it look like the two gangs are just one gang for the start of the ‘Rathtar’ scene…and I’ll be shortening the whole exchange between them and Han (with no talk of money) to make it seem that they are purely on a mission to find the BB-8 unit on behalf of the First Order. The whole thing zips along quite nicely at this point now, and I’ve ended up rather liking the ‘Rathtar’ sequence in this form now.

I’ll look forward to see how your own version turns out, however.

doubleofive said:

Windows7Guy100 said:

doubleofive said:

Windows7Guy100 said:

When you do ROTJ, will you be doing anything about Boba Fett’s horrible death scene?

He sure is.

<insert laughter here>

What’s so funny?

He has something special planned.

…or he could indeed just be inserting a ‘canned laughter’ track over the scene when Boba’s sent flying by Han, and into the Sarlacc.

marioxb said:

It would be interesting if there was one scene with alien subtitles. I think Empire is the only SW without them.

You’ve now got me wondering what ‘Bossk’ said to ‘Admiral Piett’ in the bounty hunter scene… Was it something rude?

(Heh, Bingo posted that as I was typing)

SilverWook said:

The same prop or the same character?

That red and white droid sure seems to get around - Not only does it feature in the ‘Rogue One’ teaser, but I’ve just noticed that’s it’s also in the background of ‘The Force Awakens’ a couple of times too…when Finn arrives at the rebel base, and meets up with Poe again.

(however, the jury’s still out on whether it’s our old friend ‘R5-X2’ from ‘The Phantom Menace’ Jabba scene, or not)

Both looking fabulous, and that’s without the lighting etc. yet!

Very nice job with that teaser emanswfan. 😃

I’d have preferred to see the ‘rainbow’ LUCASFILM logo used, along with the ‘STAR WARS’ logo at the end instead, but I liked this so much I added it to the ‘Fanmade trailers’ section over at Fanedit(.)org for them to see.

SilverWook said:

The same prop or the same character?

It might indeed just be a random, leftover prop from TPM. But either way, if it just remains an un-named background droid in ‘Rogue One’, I guess we can choose to believe it’s the same one if we wish.

Anyway, here’s the actual link I came across which brought it to my attention - jalopnik.com/this-is-the-first-positive-identification-of-a-known-dr-1771219814

I was interested to find out that the red and white droid (‘R5-X2’) seen in the ‘Rogue One’ trailer is supposed to be the one seen beside Jabba when he introduced the podrace in ‘TPM’.

Just sayin’.

I wonder if there will be viewers who have only seen the home versions of the ‘Special Editions’ from 2004 onwards who will decide to check these movies out on the big screen for the first time? - if so, not only are they gonna wonder who the ‘old dude forceghost’ is at the end of 1997’s ROTJ:SE…but they’re gonna get a bit of a shock when they see how Jabba originally looked!

DominicCobb said:

I really have very small interest in TFA fan edits because I know they’ll mostly just cut out stuff I love, but there are some small quibblies that I’ll probably have to sort out for myself at some point.

For instance, and it’s strange no one’s mentioned this, but the Kylo speaks to Vader scene doesn’t really work. I mean, as a scene, by itself, it totally works. But it’s placement within the film just seems… random? It’s right in the middle of the sequence of the heroes at Maz’s castle, but it’s only about a minute long and doesn’t really have anything to do with that. So just a very short and unrelated detour, which sort of ruins the power of the scene a bit.

So I see two options to fix.
A) Make the scene more relevant to Kylo’s storyline. Solution: move the scene right after Snoke’s “We shall see.”
or B) Make the scene more relevant to the heroes storyline. Solution: move the scene right after Han and Leia talk about Kylo.

This sounds like a very good point indeed, considering that I found that substantially re-arranging the position of certain scenes in the prequels for my own cut-lists made them much more impactful for me. I’m definately gonna have a look at this suggestion of yours when I get around to pinning down my own TFA alterations. It’s a great scene, but I agree it’s placement might be more effective if used elsewhere.

ZkinandBonez said:

There’s been some discussion as to where General Dodonna is in RO, and apparently he might be in the trailer standing in the dark behind Mon Mothma.
(I’d be surprised if the guy in the picture below is not supposed to be Dodonna, he’s a dead ringer for Alex McCrindle.)

Thankyou! I didn’t actually spot that guy in the backround during that Mon Mothma shot. I hope you’re right, as I really wanted his character to be involved in this thing in some way.

TV’s Frink said:

So report the mods then.

Heh, thanks for that latest LOL!

You seem to be getting a bit of negativity from a few here TV’s Frink, and I can only guess that the majority of them have been on the wrong end of your funny bone in the past. As far as I’m concerned, long may your funny bone continue when it’s required…as we need all the humour we can get around here at times.

As far as the topic’s original question goes, I’ve been tweaking my own intended cut-list for AOTC recently, and one of the worst aspects of that movie for me was definately the unconvincing moments/dialogue between Anakin and Padme during the build-up in their ‘romance’ over the course of the movie. Just dreadful, and it took a bit of effort to get it to the point where it became reasonably convincing for myself - which involved totally removing quite a lot of their footage together, of course.

For me, the prequels as a whole (especially AOTC) were also disappointing due to the awkward relationship between Anakin and Obi-wan is concerned too, as that ended up giving me a whole other set of scenes/and dialogue that I had to alter for myself, into something I liked better.

Like others, there’s a whole heap of other stuff throughout the prequels that I ended up altering or totally removing for myself, but these 2 important relationships of Anakin were especially badly conceived by George in these movies, as far as I’m concerned.

The first of these standalone ‘spin-off’ movies had kinda fallen off my radar until yesterday, but the new trailer proved quite interesting in many ways.

The effects and action certainly look good so far, and hopefully I’ll warm to all these new cast members eventually. By the way, I was keen to see who was re-cast as Alex McCrindle’s ‘General Dodonna’ in this, but I don’t see anyone listed for the role over on IMDB.com…which is a pity, as you can’t have too many beards in ‘Star Wars’!

But this ‘heist’ scenario is looking promising as a ‘prequel’ of sorts to the OT, and looks like it could end up having a somewhat ‘gritty’ vibe judging by this footage. I just wonder how Alexandre Desplat’s score is going to end up sounding throughout, as it’s going to feel somewhat strange not to have John Williams scoring the whole thing this time around - however, it seems he’s listed as the composer of the ‘theme’ music, so things will probably kick off in the usual way with an info. scroll I presume. It would be nice if the new composer does a good job with this.

mfastx said:

Hi Ady I had a quick question for you.

At any point did you consider adding a “glass effect” to cockpit scenes in the Falcon, Luke’s X-Wing and the speeders on Hoth? I noticed this effect was quite noticeable in TFA and added a lot of realism, IMO. Is that something that could be done in ESB:R?

Thanks!

mfastx, just in case adywan’s too tied up to get back to you on this one anytime soon, I seem to remember that he ruled out adding ‘glass-like reflections/or scratches’ like this a long time ago - due to the fact that it would have ended up far too time-consuming to be worth it, considering the sheer amount of ship shots it would need to be done in. And the same goes for all the ‘ANH’/‘ROTJ’ ship shots too.

(Loving the enhancements to the Falcon’s interior by the way adywan)

doubleofive said:

In case you missed it:

https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/2016/03/23/echo-base-hanger-model/

Magical work once more…and I love how the bays/columns are going to better match the look of the bays/columns in the actual live-action set shots now!

Dual Wield said:

It’s been a while since my last post, but I just wanted to share some ESB:R related material with you all.

I remember commenting on this a while back, but I didn’t post the clip at the time. The brief snippets of those AT-AT shots are terrific looking. I certainly didn’t expect adywan to take the time to enhance/add continuity to the actual skies and backdrops as much as he seems to have ended up doing…but I’m sure glad he did. Wonderful work!

(and nice to get a look at his workstation too)

TV’s Frink said:

The very first edit I made, a good five or six years ago, was exactly this.

Heh, our only problem is that this would end up killing ‘Obi-wan’ prematurely before his appearance in the original trilogy…

On the other hand…since the current scroll only mentions two Jedi and doesn’t name ‘Obi-wan’, we could just ‘imagine’ that Ewen McGregor is playing someone else…and just add ‘Chapters I-III’ to the scroll instead for this to work perfectly!

(sorry for the thread derailment)

Sheepish said:

I think you’re referring to me, instead of Smithers. But yea, I’m bouncing back and forth between “Shroud of the Sith” and “Shroud of the Dark Side”. I didn’t realize there was another edit called “Shroud of the Dark Side”, so I’ll probably stick with the “Sith” version.

Sorry about that Sheepish, I got you both mixed up as I was typing that quickly. As for your title, ‘Shroud of the Sith’ sounds good too, if you decide to go with that.

liamnotneeson said:
Wow that is pretty short

This guy’s version of the prequels comes in at a reasonable 26 mins. 41 secs.! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA9I54CRE-U

(in hindsight, my own ideal version would have been the usual ‘The Phantom Menace’ scroll…ship approaches and requests to land…but once landed, we cut to pilot saying “Captain, look!”…as ship and occupants are then blown up! End of story, heh.)

Smithers, I noticed from your YouTube trailer that you’re now using the words ‘Shroud of the Dark Side’ instead of ‘Shroud of the Sith’ which you named this thread with, which reminded me of the following edit -

I don’t normally comment on/review other people’s editing choices for the prequels, as I have my own very strongly-held, specific ‘cutlists’ planned for each of them…but just as an aside, I came across this recently posted edit called ‘StarWars Episode I-III Shroud of the DarkSide Prequel Trilogy (Fan Edit) - RE-EDITED’…which has some ‘interestingly’-spelt words in it’s new scroll…

After all that effort, poor guy, heh. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgvZxBbh6dE

adywan said:

Things are progressing really well.

I won’t quote your whole post adywan, but thanks for your recent update on page 1288 (before the dark times started…)
Some interesting stuff to be going on with there, especially about when you hope to get the initial mkv 720p release out there!