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It was certainly George’s fault more than anyone else’s, but his casting director didn’t do him any favors.
Would that be because he directed it?
You are on the trolly side. Do you remember me attacking you prior to this when you were just giving your opinion? Do you remember me personally attacking Anchorhead for his opinions regarding Kylo Ren? The answer to both of those questions is no so shut that shit up.
You were quick to assume I was targeting you haha
That is a misconception I would say. When you read the transcripts from meetings between Lucas, Kasdan and Kershner during the ESB pre-production, it is obvious Lucas dismissed many feedback and ideas coming from either of them. Many of those ideas were not good in my opinion anyway. However, he did keep the good ones, which shows that he actually had a different mentality back then. And judging from his absence in these transcripts, Kurtz wasn’t even involved in these sessions.
Saying Kurtz and Kershner were in charge of ESB is rather silly. Lucas had pretty much everything under control. Even during the principal photography when minor changes were made to the script, Kershner actually phoned Lucas and he approved them.
And anyone would panic when time and cost of principal photography is doubled. Even major studios would freak out, let alone newly founded independent film company. I think Kurtz was quite rightfully fired for that.
and so it’s clear to me at least that George Lucas has the mind of a child and always had the mind of a child.
Maybe you should go watch THX1138.
Then you’ll see just how much of a fluke ANH was haha
[Haarspalter said:]
If you want to find out what George Lucas was thinking when he made the PTHe was thinking the same things he was thinking when he made the OT if you ask me. But there were no longer any constraints or people to reign him in.
I think if George could have, he would have made the originals exactly like he made the prequels.
I doubt that. He had practically no constraints in ESB and ROTJ as he held the rights to the sequels and was doing them with his own company. Even in ANH he had mostly free hands since the studio did not seem to care about the film prior to the release.
I would say it is mostly that in OT he actually had good ideas and was open to feedback from his collaborators.
Irvin made ESB what it was.
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I love people who think the director is the only person responsible for the success or failure of a movie.
So the exec producer is. Yeah hitchcock, Sergio leone, coppola films etc weren’t down to direction!
Kersh was a huge part of what made ESB great, arguably the biggest. But Kasdan still wrote the script, and GL had more control than most EPs, though not nearly as much as on ROTJ. Not to mention Kersh was no auteur. I’d say there were a number of talented directors who GL could have hired that would have made just as good a film. On the other hand, GL was intent on being more controlling on ROTJ (and making it faster and cheaper), so it is unlikely any director he would have hired wouldn’t have been willing to completely roll over for him. I’d say ESB is what it is because GL had just the right amount of input, and not any more.
Irvin taught Lucas I think that’s why he had him direct it?
No opinions allowed other than know it alls that know fuck all?
I think Disney should have a go at doing the prequels to RO and show the demise of Anakin (again). It needs re-doing.
I think a standalone Anakin/Vader movie can solve this problem.
I don’t known whether I could take another hit, I mean how many times can one be let down!
Darth Vader v iron man v Thor…
Now that would be epic…a Star Wars story…
[Haarspalter said:]
If you want to find out what George Lucas was thinking when he made the PTHe was thinking the same things he was thinking when he made the OT if you ask me. But there were no longer any constraints or people to reign him in.
I think if George could have, he would have made the originals exactly like he made the prequels.
I doubt that. He had practically no constraints in ESB and ROTJ as he held the rights to the sequels and was doing them with his own company. Even in ANH he had mostly free hands since the studio did not seem to care about the film prior to the release.
I would say it is mostly that in OT he actually had good ideas and was open to feedback from his collaborators.
Irvin made ESB what it was.
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I love people who think the director is the only person responsible for the success or failure of a movie.
So the exec producer is. Yeah hitchcock, Sergio leone, coppola films etc weren’t down to direction!
[Haarspalter said:]
If you want to find out what George Lucas was thinking when he made the PTHe was thinking the same things he was thinking when he made the OT if you ask me. But there were no longer any constraints or people to reign him in.
I think if George could have, he would have made the originals exactly like he made the prequels.
I doubt that. He had practically no constraints in ESB and ROTJ as he held the rights to the sequels and was doing them with his own company. Even in ANH he had mostly free hands since the studio did not seem to care about the film prior to the release.
I would say it is mostly that in OT he actually had good ideas and was open to feedback from his collaborators.
Irvin made ESB what it was.
End
Folk forget Lucas’s only success was directing a new hope! His other films are shite as well! Well American graffiti was okay and gave birth to happy days lol
They should rename it Star Flaws seeing as they can’t make a decent film! Irvin will be rolling!
Don’t worry they can’t spell colour and put Zs where Ss should be…
Hux actor also sucks in his part (powerful speech ? Seriously guys…
No one shares any of your unpopular opinions regarding acting…
It’s true, he (?) is the only one I’ve ever seen who thinks Daisy did a terrible job.
Even the biggest OT/EU fanboy couldn’t deny the quality of the acting in TFA. The worst comment I’ve heard about the acting in TFA is that the acting in the OT (and PT in a few cases) was better but even among that group Mala stands alone.
No there is another…
Let me translate… I’d rather stick a hot poker down the eye of my penis.
No…if I was including the OT in that statement I would have said so.
With that said, there is some element of the OT that is not timeless. Hairstyles, for example. But from what little I’ve seen of the three movies you mentioned, they all hit me square in the face with a 1980’s 2x4.
You stated you haven’t seen them in their entirety… How can you even comment, the OT uses the same SFX, it is of the same era as said…
I think Disney should have a go at doing the prequels to RO and show the demise of Anakin (again). It needs re-doing.
Is that a fantasy?
It’s a new hope
Watch the 2 hours “Clone Wars” cartoon, it depicts Anakin exactly the way Ben does in ANH.
I’d rather stick a hot poker down my japs
Anyone who ranks any of the new films above the OT is wrong.
Hahahahahaha!
Think Labyrinth, dark crystal and even Willow they all had a timeless feel
in fact they seem very much of their specific time.
Are you including the OT in that statement?
Why don’t people understand selective quoting
You didn’t answer the question, those films are of the same era…lucasfilms’s prime
IP55 said:
ROTJ for all its problems has the real vader and the emperor.R1’s Vader acted more like his incarnations in SW and ESB than his ROTJ counterpart. I agree on Palpy though.
Those final scenes are epic. Nothing ib these spin offs can match the OT…and they never will.
How come OT.com keeps getting members who can see into the future and why am I not one of them?
R1s Vader was better than the shitty pre prequel Vader but still, even Jedi Vader didn’t say those stupid lines! That is not what an OT Vader would have said. Or his half arsed choke hold! I am judging future films on what I have already seen. R1 is the closest so far but not quite right!
Anyone who ranks any of the new films above the OT is wrong.
Hahahahahaha!
Think Labyrinth, dark crystal and even Willow they all had a timeless feel
in fact they seem very much of their specific time.
Are you including the OT in that statement?
Anyone who ranks any of the new films above the OT is wrong. ROTJ for all its problems has the real vader and the emperor. Those final scenes are epic. Nothing ib these spin offs can match the OT…and they never will. The OT was done in a time where Frank Oz and Co created some majestic, mythological classics. Think Labyrinth, dark crystal and even Willow they all had a timeless feel that evokes memories and fantastical worlds. These new films are easily forgotten and do not evoke any of the afore mentioned.
If terrible films such as Rogue One and The force awakens can exist, terrible films such as the PT can also exist. They all deserve to be watched at least once.
Rogue one is more of a prequel than those other films, I don’t think it was terrible, just a lot of issues. Better than. Tfa, now that was a let down.
People pay more attention to this than the newly released RO which although has just has many faults is a better film!
I think Disney should have a go at doing the prequels to RO and show the demise of Anakin (again). It needs re-doing.
It’s my favorite gag in the film.
It will never be the same after you watch Rogue One…
Why?
Because the jokes are terrible!
Seen the film for the second time. Really digging it and feel there’s a lot of fanedit potential. Like or hate TFA, the problems cited against it are so inherent to the film that they can’t really be removed with a fanedit.
Rogue One, on the other hand, just has some bad scenes that can be removed, so it’s ripe for us. 😃
My suggestions-
- Don’t start in space, no need since crawl was axed. Possibly also remove “A long time ago…”
- Cut opening for cringy child acting and blue milk throwaway shot.
- Put scene of Jyn waking up in the present day to before the logo, clearly indicating the transition in time. This possibly reframes the opening scene as a dream, as it appeared to be in the trailer.
- Replace oddly cheap-looking logo with nicer trailer logo.
- After logo, first scene should now focus on Cassian killing informant.
- Move first scene of Bodhi on Jedha to after Jyn and Cassian leave Yavin, in order to avoid excessive planet hopping. Follow it up directly with scene of Saw interrogating him. This means the audience never has to “leave Jedha” immediately after getting there the first time.
- Reinstate “I Rebel”? Or at very least make ending of briefing scene less awkward. An alternative would be to have the final exchange be “Is that clear?”; “Yes, sir,” also from teaser.
- Cut Cantina Fellows on Jedha.
- Cut Psychic Alien monster; no real pay-off in the long-run
- Trim Tarkin stuff throughout; camera lingers too long and performance is somewhat weak.
- Cut first Vader scene at Bast Castle in its entirety because of poor performance vocally and physically. Better to save Vader for final scene at end.
- Take out some of “odds” jokes, which grow excessive.
- Cut 3PO and R2D2.
- Radical, weird alternate ending idea I had! 😄 (not actually sure how well this would work):
But… instead of ending on a CGI Leia, have the Star Destroyer chase the Tantive, as per the opening shot of SW77, then cut to the deleted scene of Luke watching from the surface of Tatooine. Iris out on a close-up of Luke’s face, as he puts down the binoculars. This would require restoring the deleted scene to an acceptable level of quality, though it could be nice to bring back the “Luke’s theme” musical cue from SW77.
In any case, I feel ending on Luke would do a more clear job of concluding the film’s theme of hope- personifying it, as he is literally “A New Hope” instead of having another character simply say the word. Also, looking at bigger picture placement within the saga, it’s a nice changing of the guard from Vader, shown in close-up, to Luke, who would end the film in close-up. There’d also be an added bit of symmetry with Force Awakens, both ending on Luke.
Of course, we may have a bunch of deleted scenes to work with, as well! Though, my suspicion is that the reshot 3rd act is radically superior to the original.
That is a better post of yours… exactly my thoughts, well done.