Hunter6

When did the prequels officially suck?

That is a good Question....
for me it was EP II. Ep I Sucked but it took seeing Ep II to see that all prequels Films would suck.

But after looking around the web, I would say the SE was the starting point and that EP I was the real official point in which people turned on the "new vision" Star Wars. Allot of People in 1999 really hated EP I. Ep I was the first movie of prequels' story arc and EP I being bad destroyed the prequels' story arc for some. So it look like 1999 was when the prequels officially suck.

zombie84 said:

It just means "the black sheep." The one who doesn't belong. Red hair is very uncommon, and being a step-child makes you a bit of an outsider, so to be a step-child with red hair would make you especially an outsider. Thats all that expression means. Its a very common expression in north america at least.

I have red hair and hate that saying.

I think seeing it about being an outsider it needs to be update to:

"I Beat you like you were a Star Wars Dork"

Octorox said:

Are you one of the few fans that were upset with the lack of the original theatrical prequel trilogy on DVD? Forget the OT you say! They already have been released on DVD! We don't have the theatrical prequels at all! Well, your prayers have been answered by Lucasfilm with the premiere of the GUPT as bonus material in the new holiday DVD sets! Now enjoy the prequels as they were seen in theaters in their original theatrical aspect ratio (in non-anamorphic 4:3) Artificial grain and other filtering have been added to truly make these discs mesh as a saga with the 2006 GOUT set! Here are some exclusive screenshots available nowhere else!

P.S. If you haven't figured it out yet this is a joke thread

Yeah, you maybe joking, but who knows maybe in 20 or 30 years from now some (odd) fan-base for the prequel trilogy will be wanting the OPT. 20 or 30 years from Now, prequel trilogy Fans talking about theatrical versions of the prequels trilogy and mad at Lucas for the changes like changing ani's cyborg arm at the end of EP II and so on. It is odd to me, but I can see it happening.

I Hate prequel trilogy, but will have the OPT Movement's Back in 20 or 30 years from now because I know how it feel to want the original version of Star Wars movies and not get them.

What an odd image: original, original trilogy Movement and original prequel trilogy Movement working together to get the original theatrical versions of both the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy.

It maybe a Stange Future for Us.

vote_for_palpatine said:

Well folks, where is SW right about now?

We've had the Clone Wars animated movie, which I won't be seeing. There's an impossible to keep track of number of books available, most of which seem to be dreadfully uninteresting. There's the TV show - I don't know if it's on the air, and if it is, I don't know which channel has it. There has been some talk of a 3D presentation and I don't know what the latest news is on that front. I've heard nothing about a Blu-Ray set and I'm not enthused about the idea unless, of course, it's a state of the art Blu-Ray release of the OUT. What's more, I haven't watched the GOUT - or any SW - in so long I can't even remember.

I guess by definition I'm more or less done with SW. That's a little sad to me. But it's hard for me to generate enthusiasm for the brand these days. If not for discussions here about OT plot points and the shortcomings of post-1998 SW releases (which are, understandably, fewer and further between), I don't think I'd be talking about SW at all, anywhere.

What is your state of SW?

My state of SW is the same as yours.

I have not watched OOT in two years.

The drive is just gone and I also feel that I'm more or less done with SW.

The fun in SW is gone and I have try not to let the SE, Prequels, EU, the over releases, GOUT and the new CW cartoon effect me, but they have.

For me Lucas actions from 1997 to today has drained the fun out of SW.

If Lucas came out with a remastered OOT DVDs, some of the drive may come back, but not all of it.

My like for Lucas is dead and will never come back.

The Relationship Lucas has with the SW fans is an Abusive Relationship filled with Lucas withholding, lies, Emotional abuse, power plays and control games. The thing is that a person can only be Abusive to another for so long before the another will walk away forever.  Lucas has abused OOT fans and some SW Fans for too long and I think people are starting to walk away.

Here is 5 pages from the Prequel comic to the new Star Trek movie. The Comic is written by the same writers of the New Star Trek movie (Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman).

http://trekmovie.com/2009/01/10/idw-releases-5-page-preview-of-countdown-movie-prequel/

The dialog is how Roberto Orci/Alex Kurtzman write and the new Star Trek movie will have the same type of dialog.

Also
Here is new communicator from the new Star Trek movie.
http://trekmovie.com/images/st09/cesprops_com.jpg


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Scotty, get your big boy ass over here and Warp me up.

C3PX said:

I think there is some new trend of hating film makers. What is with you guys. Lucas, Spielberg, Abrams. What other film makers do you guys hate with such passion?

Yes, I also think there is a new trend of hating film makers, but there seems to be a trend of film-makers who can not face reality. Lucas is one of the best known of the film-makers who can not face reality. From all I have heard and seen about Lucas, he is a person lost in his own little world and will not listen to others. This also seems fit allot of other film makers of today. film makers like Lucas even has some others in film-media hating them and questioning their actions. When film-makers like Lucas live in their own little world and will not listen to others, then others will turn on them. No is the word that some film-makers like Lucas seems to need to hear sometimes. Some film-makers like Lucas need to stop turning their back on Criticism and listen to it. Them not facing the Criticism and not growing as film-makers from the Criticism is the fuel for some people to hate them.

Yoda Is Your Father said:

Hunter6 said:

It is like the makers of this Film need Film-making 101.

And obviously you don't which is why they asked you to direct the new Trek and all those other great films you've done.

 

I have taking Film, CGI animation and photo classes in collage. Both me and my wife work in media and know allot about it.

Having glare in mostly every shot is a no-no in film-making.

also having over blur in every shot of CGI animation is no-no in CGI animation.

You,"Yoda Is Your Father" don't know what you are talking about or to who.

the Hollywood of today is not about the art of film-making, but is really about who is your Family is or you are sleeping with or who you know. the real Hollywood is not like the fake Hollywood show on shows in E.T.

after watching the JJ Trek trailer again, two things stood out to me.

One is that it is very bad.

Two is what is up with all the Digital Glare.

The Digital Glare is too much and is in most scenes.

It looks like they filmed this movie thru plexiglass.

The overused Digital Glare is so very bad and is just so immature.

It is like the makers of this Film need Film-making 101.

Tiptup said:

I found this funny:

http://www.popsci.com/entertainment-amp-gaming/article/2008-12/science-star-trek

That is funny to me too, but there are alot of movies with things like that.

The thing is that scene in trailer is the longest and cleanest clip in the trailer.

That scene of little kirk and the robocop/stormtrooper/cylon want-a-be is so bad.

It is very, very bad, but Abrams has it has the longest and cleanest clip in trailer?

WTF

skyjedi2005 said:

Majel Graciously gave her voice to the enterprise computer in the new movie before her passing.

Majel's passing is indeed sad.  It is even sadder that the roddenberrys had no say or control over the revision of star trek by jj and paramount.

And now Rod has to grieve her passing and this year and next year see his fathers creation and vision distorted in jj trek.

The roddenberys trusted JJ, and so does every other actor who has been asked and i wonder why.

The only one i can think of that would be totally against jj and what he is doing is gene r.  and he is dead and cannot speak up.  Therefore it is to the original series fans to boycott this movie since it is not roddenberry trek.

See JJ thought if i add majel's voice then it is roddenberry trek.  Nice try JJ.

By the way i would totally pay to see a Lost or Alias movie by JJ, but Star Trek give me a fucking break man.  Totally the wrong guy for this movie.  Just like he was the wrong choice on Superman, and the studio very wisely chose Bryan Singer instead.

So, true.

The thing about majel's voicing the computer for this JJ Trek movie is that when a person looks at the info and facts, it really, really looks like an low move by JJ.

This movie had been finish and Originally this movie was going to be released Dec 25 2008. This Movie was done with the Dec 25 2008 release date in mind and JJ never had Majel recorded her voice or even said she was going to it. Then the release date was changed (which is something JJ hated) to May 2009 and the finish film was put in the can a'till May 2009. All this year with the film in the can waiting for it's new release date, JJ never had Majel recorded her voice or even said she was going to it.

Then days before she died, Majel recorded for the new movie on Dec 4 2008.

Majel died Dec 18 2008 only 14 days after recorded for the new movie.

Odd timing that JJ record Majel only 14 days before she died and that before then, JJ never had Majel recorded her voice or even said she was going to be in this film for the past 8 months.

It really, really looks like JJ was not going to have Majel in this film, but then JJ heard about Majel dying and ran to her death-bed to have her record some lines for his film before she died just for JJ to say that she is in the film.

Low move, JJ.

It is also Low that in JJ Abrams condolence for Majel that JJ throws in a plug for his Star Trek:

"She will be immortalized by her life’s work, including, I feel lucky and honored to say, her performace in the latest chapter in the Star Trek saga." -JJ Abrams. 

What is the next low move for you, JJ Abrams. are you going to sell parts of Majel's body off on EBAY or just use her name to push your film now that she is dead.

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I'm for one is really sick of all Abrams actions with trek.

I really feel that trek-fans need to do like skyjedi2005 said by boycotting this movie. 

HotRod said:  Honestly, what is JJ doing that is so bad? And I'm asking you a honest question

It is hard to show someone who does not have feels (love or like) for it.

From things JJ Abrams and his crew had said, also the images and the trailers I have seen, it is like JJ Abrams is twisting Star Trek to his liking or wants. JJ Abrams does not seems to understand Star Trek and seems to not care. I would say JJ Abrams is dumbing Star Trek down. I think JJ Abrams seems to have Zero care about the Star Trek canon.

Star Trek canon is more then just the technobabble, it is the 40 years history of the world of Star Trek.

The Rebooting of Star Trek is just a bad idea and specially the way JJ Abrams is doing so.

Star Trek does not need this Rebooting-bull.

If JJ Abrams want to a Star Trek film then his could have just made a new crew and ship like others before him.

Why make it about Kirk and Spock, if you are just going to use their names only but not their history.

Why make it about the enterprise NCC 1701, if you are just going to use the name only and not the classic design or even parts of the classic design or the canon-history of the ship.

Why call it by just the name "Star Trek" only, when the film is about and set in a alternate universe, not the normal Star Trek universe.  Why did JJ Abrams call the film "Star Trek: Alternate". 

From things JJ Abrams and his crew had said, also the images and the trailers I have seen, The truth is this film is not "Star Trek", it is "JJ Abrams' Space Movie which uses the names of Star Trek only and is not really Star Trek".

All these things and other things can make a trek fan pissed off.

Also there is little hope that the writers who stole from a bad movie on Mystery Science Theater 3000 will write a good story.

the writers of JJ Abrams' Star Trek are just bad writers.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0476064/board/nest/79097688

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0649460/board/nest/79097378

HotRod said:

It's just a movie that no one has bloody seen yet!!!

Hotrod,  I understand you do not understand why some trek-fans are mad about this new movie. What I do not understand is why you keep posting a forum on about Disliking this new Star Trek film. You are free to do so, but I'm also free to ignore you.

Shatner Claims He Was Shown ‘Fake Script’ by Abrams and his crew
http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/15/shatner-says-abrams-feud-a-game-claims-he-was-shown-fake-script/
Please note that trekmovie.com is a shill site like TF.N and the Comments below are mainly false.
For more info on trekmovie.com being a shill site, please look at past posts on this forum.
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Shatner: I read it and thought it wasn’t very good, but it turned out it wasn’t the script at all.

Hunter 6: I Don't know, The "it wasn’t very good" part seems like this movie from what I've see of the things that have came out.

I know that some non-trek fans do not understand why people are so pissed off by JJ's New Movie or why the new resign that is just called the Enterprise NCC 1701 is enraging people and so on....

Well, Star Trek has had an big impact not just on USA, but on the world. Star Trek is more then just a dumb show from the 60's, It is a part of World History. Changing the Enterprise NCC 1701 is somewhat like if someone redesigned the statue of liberty. This not a extreme view of Star Trek's impact, it is more on the lines of the truth. Star Trek has had and still has an effect on our everyday lives.

http://www.nasm.si.edu/visit/concessions/shops/enterprise.cfm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Enterprise
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_William_Shatner_Changed_the_World
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_influence_of_Star_Trek

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communicator_(Star_Trek)#Relation_to_current_technology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_8800#Popular_Electronics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSS_Enterprise

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSS_Voyager

and so on....

skyjedi2005 said:

Manny Coto was bringing Enterprise in the right direction when it became a victim of the ousting of Rick Berman and got cancelled.

You would think trekkies finally got what they wanted berman was canned but the people replacing him have even less respect for Roddenberry and Trek canon history and only see a franchise to exploit for profit.

I share these feelings about Star Trek: Enterprise, Rick Berman and some trek-fans too.

Star Trek: Enterprise was true to canon and Roddenberry vision of Star Trek.

Some Trek-fan say Star Trek: Enterprise is not being true to canon, but I really think that these fans did not really know the canon that deep. Star Trek: Enterprise did not hit people in head with the canon and a person needed to look for it. Things like the blue jumpsuit uniforms, most of the bridge design, the pre-LCARS on the screens and so on were true to canon, but did not hit people in head with the canon. It would have been dumb if the show spend all it's time pointing out what is true to the canon, but it seems some fans needed things spelled out to them.

Now for just for fun I will point out some little things:

The NX-01 ship design came from concept artwork of a pre-TOS USS Enterprise for Star Trek The First Adventure.

The blue jumpsuit uniforms were like the blue jumpsuit uniform that Zefram Cochrane wote in Star Trek: First Contact and like the oranage jumpsuit Zefram Cochrane wote in TOS EP: "Metamorphosis".

The pre-LCARS on the screens, the controls and the computers on The NX-01 were like a cross of the Phoenix's and TOS Enterprise's screens, controls and computers.

The blue doors on the bridge of the NX-01 were like the blue doors on the bridge of Pike's Enterprise in The Cage.

Even the hair styles on the actors were in-line with Star Trek canon.  The hair styles were like the 50's hair styles of the cage.

and so on....

Trek-fans ripped into Rick Berman, but Rick Berman was not to blame for the bad things on Star Trek: Enterprise. The bad things on Star Trek: Enterprise were things that fit Brannon Braga's style and not Rick Berman. Rick Berman has been attacked and blamed for the past six years. Even, Brent Spiner came out two weeks ago and said "stop it" to the trek-fan who still attack Rick Berman.

I may not like some of the things that Rick Berman let happen to Star Trek, but Star Trek was never cancelled under Rick Berman's control. Once Rick Berman was ousted, Star Trek was cancelled.

I find it funny that some trek-fans who attacked Star Trek: Enterprise are Now in real hell with Abrams' Star Trek and Now are saying "Even Star Trek: Enterprise was not as Bad as the things we are see coming out of Abrams' Star Trek". They are also saying things like "you know Star Trek: Enterprise was really not that bad". 

I guess in someway Abrams' Star Trek is karma pay-back for attacking Rick Berman and Star Trek: Enterprise.

Too bad, the other trek-fans who did not attack Rick Berman or Star Trek: Enterprise have to pay too.

If they cared the enterprise would keep with design continuity of Matt Jeffries and Andrew Probert.  Instead they got Ryan Church who worked on the star wars prequels and has nothing to do with trek, to create the abomination we now have to supposedly accept.

I share these feelings too. 

Gene Roddenberry had small set of rules for Starship designs. Abrams and Ryan Church did not even try to follow the small, little set of rules for Starship designs than Gene Roddenberry wrote, but then Abrams and crew keep saying that they are keeping true to the canon and Honoring the Canon and Gene Roddenberry.

One of the little rules for Starship designs than Gene Roddenberry wrote is that "That the warp nacelles must all way be in pairs".

Now, just look at the horrorable USS Kevlin with it's one warp nacelle and trek-fans attacked Star Trek: Enterprise which never have a ship like this.

The Kirk, Spock and Bones are an alternate/mirror universe and not our Kirk, Spock and Bones we loved from tos and films 1-6. Since this is clearly a new universe we have no emotional attachment to these characters.  Now James Kirk is a Hayden  rebellious teen angst type . See not my star trek.

I don't believe Orci's Bullshit that the their souls supposedly are the same though their histories and everything we know about them have changed for a stupid 90210 trek jj verse.  We all know it is our experiences that have made us who we are, the same as trek's fictional characters.

I may have embraced the new batman but it was not like we had any choice after what shusucker had done to the franchise, The new bond is not my bond and neither is this Trek my Trek.  Just like the prequels and special editions are not my star wars.

I never had a connection to Batman i never read the comic, had disliked every film until batman begins.  Connery and Brosnan are the only bonds i will accept as canon.  The only true trek to me is tos, and films 1-6, and the oot of star wars is the only valid and true canon.

To me William Shatner is James Tiberious Kirk, in the same way Harrison Ford is Han Solo.  It would be Like lucas doing a recast with a Teen Han Solo without ford and changing everything we know about the star wars universe to make it all hip and modern for the teen audience.  The millenium falcon would be some flashy computerized high tech ship and not the bucket of bolts we know.

Without the Farragut, Tarsus IV.  Would James Kirk even be the James Kirk we know, my answer is no.  He said in star trek V he needed his pain, that it made him who he was.

The trailer with the new kirk was painfully too much like another movie jj's buddy tom cruise starred in, Top Gun.  I have a feeling that if cruise was not to old JJ would have cast him as Kirk.

I refuse to pay ten dollars for a cgi garbage, sci fi top gun ripoff.

 Buckle Up he says on the trailer.  How about walks out of theater in disgust and demands full refund.

I'll eat my words if in some bizarre twist of fate this movie is actually good and the trailer is supposed to throw us off by thinking it is garbage.

Remember Cloverfield's trailer was a trick, and the movie was a pig in a poke.  We have to wait til 2009 to see if the same.

right on, man!

C3PX Said
I think some of you guys seriously just complain to hell about anything. I can see complaining about taking an original show that stood on its own for a long time and has a huge loyal fanbase, then bending it and twisting it as you like for marketing purposes. But now you bash Lost, a unique show that, like it or hate it, stands on its own quite well and is by far, again IMHO, one of the best original sci-fi shows to hit the airwaves in a very, very, very long time. Like it or hate it, but the show has a lot of merit.
See how far this thing is going? I am one of the harshest critics around here, a skeptic over just about every thing out there. Just read through my posts, I am one of the ones others always tell, give it a chance, calm down, get over it. Some of you have taken this so far, now I find myself nearly on the other side fo the aisle. Not because I have changed, I am still where I was, but because some of you are taking it to the extreme and beyond.      

C3PX also Said
Season two, post J.J. is when I really started to like the show.


I feel sorry for the other people who have to pick up JJ Abrams' LOST and work with it. If Season Two which is POST-JJ is the season in which you started to really like LOST then you must know that I'm mainly writing about JJ Abrams' LOST and not other writers' LOST. I sorry if I was not clear about that. JJ Abrams, Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman are the pain in my side. not others. I mainly hate them for taking an original show that stood on its own for a long time and has a huge loyal fanbase, then bending it and twisting it as you like for marketing purposes like you wrote. I also see JJ Abrams, Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman has just three horrorables in hollywood.

Spock would not know if Universe B's alternate time-line was created before or after Nero's actions.
Nero is the alternate factor and him just using the so-called time-ship may have and most likely have created the alternate time-line which is Universe B. Nero's actions would be apart of the Natural history of Universe B because it is an alternate time-line of Nero's actions and Spock's actions to stop Nero would not be the Natural history of Universe B. Spock is the one braking the Natural history of Universe B, not Nero. Spock is also braking the Temporal Prime Directive and the Temporal Agents of Universe A would come down on him, not on Nero.

In The City on the Edge of Forever, Captain Kirk acts to preserve the timeline by allowing Edith Keeler to be killed in a traffic accident. Spock is the one who keeps telling kirk that Edith Keeler must die. Spock is the one character in Star Trek who really follows the Temporal Prime Directive. Like I said Nero is the alternate factor and therefore must continue he actions just as Edith Keeler had to die. If Nero (the alternate factor) is left to do as he pleases and shift Universe B into a kind of a nightmare universe, then it is up to Universe B to stop him, not the Elder Spock of Universe A.  

 Now, if you read the Elder Spock with Scotty scene of this Abrams trek movie you can see that the writers have dumb down spock and has him breaking the Temporal Prime Directive left and right in this film.

What Bob Orci wrote as his alternate time-line theory for this movie is just dumb. Bob Orci's alternate time-line theory is made just to be confusing to people who do not know physics theories or even Trek physics theories.

This is how JJ Abrams works, He makes his dumb stories and his bad writing confusing to people, so people think "I don't know what is going on... so, it must be smart". You can see these actions of JJ Abrams in play on LOST.  JJ Abrams and his writers are just Dumb-asses who are confusing people to make them look smart.
Hell, even MadTV as pointed this out about JJ Abrams and his his writers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixC0HTQgGB0&feature=related   

HotRod said:

I dunno...Seems a good way to start afresh, and keep all the Trekkies happy about not messing with what's already been told!!

Yes, if this was not Star Trek and I think even non-Fans like the Smart factor in Star Trek. Now, a person does not really have to think deep to see the errors in what Bob Orci is talking about. Trek-fan like most sci-fi fans are smarter then most people and in time I think they will rip Bob Orci's bad alternate timeline universe ideas apart.
one thing that pops out is:

You have two universes-
1.) The Trek A Universe which is the Universe of all past Trek (TOS, TNG,DS9, VOY, ENT and the past 10 movies).

2.) The Trek B Universe which is the JJ Abrams Star Trek Universe.

Now, Nero is not really travels back in time in the Trek A Universe time-line. Nero is leaves the Trek A Universe and goes to the Trek B Universe. Trek B Universe is an alternate timeline which was made by own Nero actions. If Elder Spock leaves Trek A Universe to stop Nero actions in Trek B Universe then Elder Spock is damaging the time-line of Trek B Universe which was made by Nero actions. This is some thing that a character like the Elder Spock would think of. Also a character like the Elder Spock would know about the Many Worlds theory. The Many Worlds theory is the theory that anything thing we do, there are alternate action Universes and there uncountable alternate action Universes. Trek B Universe would just be one other alternate action Universes. The Elder Spock going to Trek B Universe and stopping Nero would be like going to the Mirror Universe and changing the history. A character like The Elder Spock would know that traveling to Trek B Universe is a bad idea, specially seeing like Bob Orci said that his own Trek A Universe continues normally.

Bob Orci Explains How The New Star Trek Movie Fits With Trek Canon (and Real Science)

http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/

Here is new trek writer Bob Orci trying to talk quantum mechanics and fails.

I would just read the Comments.
Comments 33, 64, 34 are some good ones, but Comment 86 hits nails on the head:
"the quantum mechanics being discussed here is closer to Deepak Chopra than Richard Feynmann"

Note that the title is "Bob Orci Explains How The New Star Trek Movie Fits With Trek Canon and Real Science" but this is not real Science nor quantum mechanics nor even trek Science, it is JJ mechanics.

Welcome to the new STAR TREK-B.

I leave you with Comment 94:
"So…  we’re gonna have two seperate Trek time lines now. Everything from TOS-NEM, and now the timeline from the new movie, and yet they will both co-exist as a result of quantum theory…..
One word sums that up: LAME."

C3PX said:

Come on, things like that are not very fair. As Hotrod said, he is not a big Star Trek fan, and he thinks the new movie looks cool, fair enough. No sense in treating him like he is stupid.

Yeah, you are right.

REMOVED BY HUNTER SIX

C3PX said:

Hunter, that was a good post. I agree with you. Just as we can go through history and look at vehical designs and see how they changes over the ages and for what reasons they changed, style, practicality, rising gas prices, shortage of material due to war, or needing to use cheaper material due to economic decline. It makes since for Starships to go through these phases as well. In First Contact we see the Pheonix has a design very similar to TOS ships. the Pheonix represented bringing mankind out of the ashes of its old civilization, which had at this point all but been destroyed by constant warring, and bring it into a new age of science, technology, and discovery. Basically we are looking at a technological boom coming out of a post-apoctaliptic Earth. I think that simple, practical, submarinesque design of the original is a good representation of this. And as the series goes on, we see the designs changing styles, from the TOS design, to what we see in the STMP refit, to the Enterprise A to the Excelsior style Enterpise B, eventually getting to the more bulky designs of the Entrprise C and D as seen in TNG, to the more sleek and stylish Voyager and Enterprise E. I think ST Enterprise kind of messed this up a bit, since the NX-10 (that what it was called right?) is much closer to the style of the Voyager and the Enterprise E, in my opinion, and yet it is suppose to fit between the Pheonix and the original Enterprise.

I do, however, like how Enterprise used the exact old designs for everything, instead of trying to modernize them in any way. That episode was a lot of fun to watch.

Thank you.

also I too think ST: ENT kind of messed this up a bit, but just a little. The thing is I think the insides of the NX-01 was more the mess up then the outside. The outside of the NX-01 was basically a disk with warp nacelles which more basic then the NCC-1701. The adding of things like the Warp core output transfer junctions, the warp field governor and Thrusters  were little changes to make NX-01's starship systems to make more in-line with the basic trek-tech that TMP and other post-TOS had. These little changes are key for a warp drive starship to work in post-TOS trek-tech. These are things that TOS' NCC-1701 needs added to it to fit basic trek-tech canon of today. I wish the new movie's Enterprise was the classic NCC-1701 with just a Warp core output transfer junctions, a warp field governor and Thrusters and with lite Aztec hull designs added to the ship then the Ugly non-canon design of Abrams' i-prise. I like the outer design of the NX-01 and the only thing I hate about it is the dumb TNG-blue lights on the Deflector dish and warp nacelles. The Pheonix and TOS' NCC-1701 did not had blue lights on the Deflector dish or warp nacelles, So, why would NX-01 have blue lights on the Deflector dish or warp nacelles? The problem I have with the insides of the NX-01 are the same things that are wrote on this site:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/22nd-cent-tech.htm

Things like the NX-01 having a transporter or Phaser-like weapons, but all of that is just nitpicking and none of the things on ST: ENT really messed up star trek canon (unlike Abrams' star trek). I just think it would have been better if the NX-01 was more basic like having rocket thrusters for impluse, no transporter, atomic weapons which is more true trek canon (see: TOS EP- Balance of Terror), more manual things and more of a Steampunk-like feel to the ship.

So now, Majel Barrett-Roddenberry is Playing Computer Voice In New Star Trek Movie.

http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/10/majel-barrett-roddenberry-to-play-computer-voice-in-new-star-trek-movie/

Remember this movie was first going to be released Dec 25 2008. If Majel Barrett-Roddenberry was going to be in then we would have heard about it before Dec 10 2008. This movie was done and in the can, months ago. Now we are hearing about changes.

I have a feeling that fan pressure is getting to CBS Paramount and Abrams.

What is next.....

more TOS cast announcement?

reshoots?

new effects?

a new enterprise which look more like TOS' enterprise?

Shatner?

Good work Trek-fans and non-fans who hate this movie, but just because Majel Barrett-Roddenberry in NOW a part of this film does not mean We should stop fighting or bow down to Abrams' Bad Star Trek.

skyjedi2005 said:

Yes In a Mirror Darkly was the best Star Trek in Years and Fucking rocked.  The last time is saw something so awesome was scotty on the enterprise D holodeck original 1701 bridge.

EdenFX did those Incredible updates on the old series effects style in cgi on In a mirror darkly.They should have done the effects on the remaster instead of cbs digital.  I think they also did the effects on Nemesis though that were less than stellar.

These are the voyages was a joke.  Second worse Trek i have seen in Modern times since Nemesis.  Yeah the old series had bad episodes during the third Season but at least those are campy fun.  You Know Spock's Brain and Turnabout Intruder.

Despite what Trekkies say Enterprise was True to the spirit of the original series and i was sad when it was cancelled.   Gene Jr who is known ad "rod"  embraced the show. 

I cannot say the same thing about the new movie, it neither looks or feels to be at heart Roddenberry Star Trek.  In Fact it is Trek remade in JJ's own image.  It will be slick and Fast faced like most of his works but largely empty of any substance.  This is the guy who likes Jerking people around with Plot twists and insane drama on his shows.  Yet Lost and Alias at the end of watching them was mostly a wtf?  Like a mind fuck basically, same with Cloverfield.  Gets you to go hmm and maybe think for a bit but there is no emotional attachment to any characters and his series are loose on themes except for quick cuts and lots of action.  He be perfect for a Jason Borne movie just not Star Trek.

Even a Jason Borne movie is too smart for JJ Abrams.

Digital Domain did the effects in Nemesis, not EdenFX.

I like Star Trek Remastered, the only thing wrong with them is that CBS did not given the time or money into them.

Mike Okuda and his crew did a great job even with CBS' low funds and rushing the job actions.

Damn CBS!

After reading other blogs about this New Star Trek film, I am sick of people attacking the look and retro feel of TOS. They say things like TOS look and technology is too old looking.
TOS technology is right in line with Trek-Canon, Both TOS and TNG. Zefram Cochrane's ship the Phoenix in Star Trek: First Contact used analog technology not Digital technology of today's shit. The Phoenix is a very Steampunk ship.
also The world of Star Trek is set after World War III in which mankind had to rebuild things and basically start over (Hey JJ, that means no ipods, no imacs, no iphones, no BMX or BMW and more likely No Digital technology). Zefram Cochrane was the leader of the new technology movement after World War III and the new technology was more like based on the analog technology of the Phoenix then a damn ipod or iphone. 

also for the people who think the TOS look is dated.... well, the new i-prise is even more dated.

Classic Star Trek dated.....my ass!

The classic bridge is way more futurist then JJ's i-store bridge.

Also the classic uniform were more sexy then JJ's redesign:

the classic women uniform's soft and velvet Valour is sexier than Nylon.

the classic women uniform's skirt were shorter then JJ's redesign.

the classic women uniform's skirt also had an opening and the JJ's redesign does not.

the classic women uniform had a low cut top, JJ's redesign had a high neck.

also pantyhose with high leather boots is sexier then just plain bare legs with rubber boots.

jolene blalock in the classic women uniform: