Hunter6

skyjedi2005 said:

We can only hope the finished movie is not as bad as the trailer.

Please read this:

from:      http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/20/anthonys-thoughts-on-the-la-star-trek-movie-presentation/

Spock has jettisoned Kirk onto a frozen planet, where he has met the older Spock (Leonard Nimoy). The scene starts with Kirk entering some kind of lab or workshop where he and Spock meet Montgomery Scotty (Simon Pegg) and his pint-sized alien friend. Scotty thinks they are there to resupply him and he starts complaining about the food and how long he has been stationed at this outpost after his failed attempt to transport Admiral Archer’s ‘prize beagle’ (Kirk notes that he knows the dog and asks how it is, Scotty says he will tell him when it shows up again).

If Abrams is really destroying Star Trek as you say Hunter6 then William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy are helping him as is Jonathan Frakes.

Even that Phase II/ New Voyages fanfilm guy is defending him.

that Phase II/ New Voyages fanfilm guy (James Cawley) had his butt kiss by JJ and his crew.

James Cawley was handed a role in this new star trek. James Cawley was treated like a VIP and so on. 

James Cawley's word can not really be trusted right now.

Leonard Nimoy is in the movie and really believes in passing the ears to a new person which good hearted of him.

Jonathan Frakes has sometimes very bad taste just look at the last ep of ST:ENT which he stared in.

William Shatner in the past attacked this film. Then, out of the blue, Shatner changed his actions. It is unknown why Shatner changed his actions.

There is still not a finished cut of the movie the version that the nimoys watched had almost no finished effects and no music.  If the sillyness of the acting and dialogue can be fixed editorially and the music adds depth and emotion to the film it could be good.  I doubt JJ this late in the project is going to have new lines of dialogue written and acted by the actors, or redesign the enterprise bridge and exterior to please fans of either the tv show or old film franchise. There is still little info out there were there any shots done with Models or Miniatures, or was the movie shot on film or HDcam.  I am sick of people calling a project shot on video a film as no film was used to shoot the fucking thing.

The Movie is Fully Finish and has been for months now. It is just sit in a can because of the date change from Dec 08 to May 09. It was made with HD DIGITAL CAMERAS. There are 3 enterprise designs in this movie. No Ship Models. The VFX are cgi.

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also The USS Kelvin is named after J. J. Abrams' grandfather.

also Steven Spielberg who had partially convinced Abrams to direct because he liked the script (Spielberg also liked the scripts for Transfromers, Eagle Eye and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull ), and he even advised the action scenes during his visit (like he did for SW: EP III).

C3PX said:

I still find it funny you come into a thread with a title that pretty much says, "hey let's complain about the new Trek film" and then complain about people complaining. The fact of the matter is, this film is simply screaming out, "Hate me, I am going to suck as hard as I possibly can." You can hope this film will be hugely successful and awesome all you like, but it isn't going to fix anything. The best you'll be able to do is lower your standards and pretend that it is good, seems to have worked well enough for SW fans over the last few years.

Yeah, I think the same things too.

C3PX said:

I have no doubt this will be a box office smash though, I'll be very surprised if it isn't.

yeah, it is just sad. Some/most People are just dumb, you would think after the past 3 bad star wars prequel films (and also all the other bad remakes) that People would think more before seeing another big CGI eye-candy re-______ or pre-________ film of a classic sci-fi tv show or Movies.

Remember the better time?

The Lost in Space Remake ----- failed

The Wild Wild West Remake ----- failed

The Godzilla Remake ----- failed

and so on....

PSYCHO_DAYV said: THE MOVIE ISN'T EVEN OUT YET, IDIOTS.  YOU CAN COMPLAIN ALL YOU WANT ONCE YOU SEE THE MOVIE.

This is the same type of bullshit that JJ and his Crew keeps saying too.

The thing is that people have to pay first and there are no refunds if you hated it.

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In the First place:

If this movie did NOT use Star Trek, People would not be so open to this JJ Abrams space film after seeing the trailer.

If this movie did NOT use Star Trek, most people (with a mind) would have been turned off from the film by The Little brat jumping out of car in slow-lo and meets a stormtrooper/cylon cop scene in the trailer, alone . This is not counting all the bad shit in the trailer.

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Here is a really good tip:

If you want to see a movie like this JJ Abrams' Star Trek, Then Just buy the film "Vampire Wars: Battle for the Universe".

C3PX said:

Just because there is a picture of Lucas and JJ having a chat, and because ILM is doing the effect (as they do for countless other films) we now have all these crazy over the top conspiracy theories of how JJ worships Lucas and is asking for his advice on how to destroy this as Lucas destroyed Star Wars.

If this movie bombs, it is by no fault or success of Lucas'. It is being made by a TV show creator who is successful at bringing together casts of great looking young actors to pull in audiences. His last movie was an unwatchable take on the giant monster movie genre, it while it was successful in creating hype, and getting people interested in the looks of the cast, it pulled plenty of people into the theaters, but how many people came out saying that it was an awesome movie? Not that many from what I can tell. I have yet to hear one of my friends say that they really liked it, the best I have heard was, "It was kind of cool I guess, wouldn't really be interested in seeing it again though". I have a feeling this new ST flick will be kind of like that. Why do we feel the need to blame Lucas for this? I can already imagine the next series of rants, "Lucas raped my childhood by destroying Stars Wars, Indiana Jones, and now Star Trek!" Grrr, I give you the first two, but please don't stretch this Lucas hatred to expand to every single cinematic disappointment you experience from now till the day you die.

 

I did NOT say Lucas is a blame for The New Star Trek.
I said "JJ Abrams and his writers have their heads high up in Lucas' butt" which is a fact. JJ Abrams is not a fan of Star Trek, but is a fan of Lucas.
you have JJ Abrams, his writers and Chris Pine saying Kirk is like Indiana Jones and Han Solo. You have JJ Abrams, his writers and Chris Pine saying that Pine played kirk like Harrison Ford. You have JJ Abrams and his writers all the time saying How they are adding Star Wars into this Star Trek Film and so on....
These are not conspiracy theories, but are the facts.

I do not blame Lucas for The New Star Trek. 
I blame Jeffrey Jacob Abrams and his crew for this the New Star Trek, period.
Lucas did not force his ways on JJ Abrams and his crew.
The only thing which Lucas and JJ Abrams are the same in them is they both seem to not listen to or care about the fans.

I see JJ Abrams as worst then Lucas.

Lucas Destroyed his own creations, but Abrams is Destroying other people's creations.

The interesting paradox of this whole thing, is that JJ is aiming this sucker at the "Star Trek, eww, nerd alert!" crowd, and not at the nerds who are its loyal base. Kind of an interesting experiment actually. I think for the next phase of this experiment, they should take Barbie, a franchise aimed at the 9 years and under girl crowd, and make it into a feature film aimed at 18 - 34 year old males.

Great and Funny Point.

Well the last thing JJ Abrams called his experiment was Cloverfield. I just hope people see this star trek movie as bad before they go see it, unlike Cloverfield. The sad thing is that some Star Trek fans will go see this S**** because they are full of fear that if they to do not, Star Trek will be no more. For me, if this type of movie is the future of star trek, then it is better to let it die. The thing is that Star Trek fans have to know that Star Trek is Forever and if this movie bombs, Star Trek itself will not.

Where the hell do people get the idea James T. Kirk is a punk-ass rebel like JJ has him in this movie?

In episodes of TOS, We are told how a young James T. Kirk was.

In "Where no man has gone", Gary Mitchell who is a long time friend of kirk's says Kirk was a book-worm and basically a nerd. Then in "The Corbomite Maneuver", Bones talks about how Lt. Dave Bailey is like Kirk in his early years in Starfleet. Lt. Dave Bailey is nervous and inexperienced. Also in "Shore Leave", Finnegan is a bully who picked kirk in his academy days.   

Kirk likes to play chess with his best-friend Spock in which Kirk can out smart the vulcan.

James T. Kirk is a Nerd and more so in his early years then as a captain.

I hate to say it but James T. Kirk in his early years in Starfleet was more likely like Wesley Crusher.

Wesley Crusher would have more like became a Captain because of Captain Picard teaching on the USS Enterprise-D just like how James T. Kirk became a Captain because of Captain Garrovick teaching on USS Farragut.

Kirk cheated the Kobayashi Maru test by reprograming the computer so that it is possible to win which is more like Matthew Broderick's computer nerd character in War Games then James Dean as Jim Stark in Rebel Without a Cause.

These things about the young Kirk is more likely some of the reasons why Gene Roddenberry hated the idea of Star Trek: The First Adventure back in 1990. Star Trek: The First Adventure was going to be a Top Gun like Star Trek movie, in which Gene's Kirk character would have been rewritten into a young rambunctious (rebel) farmboy goes to Starfleet Academy.

Gene Roddenberry and the regular Star Trek actors (including Nimoy) hated this idea.

Just because James T. Kirk bends the rules sometimes does not mean he is a James Dean-type Rebel.

Newsflash: Everybody in Starfleet bends or brake the rules. Hell even the programed android Data has bend the rules.

James T. Kirk is not like James Dean or Han Solo or Luke Skywalker or Anakin Skywalker .

James Dean is James Dean, Han Solo is Han Solo, Luke Skywalker is Luke Skywalker and James T. Kirk is James T. Kirk. 

JJ Abrams and his writers are just dumb-asses who need to steal from other movies.

The Kirk in this movie is just a Anakin Skywalker/Mutt Williams copy (JJ Abrams and his writers have their heads high up in Lucas' butt).

I hope this movie fails.

I also hope Harve Bennett and David Loughery sues JJ Abrams and his writers for stealing their Star Trek: The First Adventure.

JJ and his crew seem to be trying to restart Star Trek by re-writing it.
What JJ and his crew are doing is a dumb move.
To understand how this is a dumb move, lets look at the eras of Star Trek.

ENT ERA: 2150-2101
CAGE ERA: 2250-2264
TOS ERA: 2265-2269
TMP ERA: 2270-2284
TKOW ERA: 2285-2292
TNG ERA: 2364-2380

So JJ and his crew are tying rebooting TOS ERA, but the thing is TOS ERA is not a dead point.

Here are the dead point in the eras of Star Trek:
ENT ERA: 2150-2101 (DEAD)
CAGE ERA: 2250-2264
TOS ERA: 2265-2269
TMP ERA: 2270-2284
TKOW ERA: 2285-2292
TNG ERA: 2364-2380 (DEAD)

I do not understand why JJ and his crew thinks redoing the TOS ERA will save star trek. One thing is TOS ERA is not dead and it became TMP ERA and then, TKOW ERA.

Remember the old saying: "don't fix it, if it is not broken."

TOS ERA is not broken, JJ is trying to fix it.
as JJ's actions of "fix it even if it is not broken" will more like lead to the event of JJ braking it as he trying to fix something which does not need fixing in the first place.

JJ's messes around effects more than TOS ERA and JJ made more dead point.
ENT ERA: 2150-2101 (DEAD)
CAGE ERA: 2250-2264 (DEAD)
TOS ERA: 2265-2269 (DEAD)
TMP ERA: 2270-2284
TKOW ERA: 2285-2292
TNG ERA: 2364-2380 (DEAD)

This is the point that Star Trek is at right now because of JJ rebooting TOS ERA into his own JJ ERA.

Another dumb move by JJ and his crew is linking the Dead TNG era to his JJ ERA:
http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/24/more-details-and-promotional-image-for-star-trek-movie-prequel-comic/

also Nimoy as the super-super old Spock is just sad:
http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/25/new-version-of-star-trek-trailer-now-with-two-spocks/

Nimoy looks too old, unhealthy and sad. Some People said Shatner is too old and fat to play old kirk, but now seeing how old spock looks in this film, I have to say Shatner is the same.... if not a bit better looks for his age.

Nimoy looks like a troll doll with vulcan hair and eye brows.

It is good to see Nimoy as Spock once more, but I think old spock needs old kirk.

Yoda Is Your Father said:

Simon Pegg sucks.  Spaced was great, so was Shawn of the Dead, but now he's just annoying.  In England if you say 'Simon Pegg' people groan.  It will be this way in America before long too.

So It seems Simon Pegg is already a Jar Jar.

All this talk on this post makes me think about the little change in Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones. I'm talking about Anakin's mechno-arm at the end of the film. First time I saw the mechno-arm, it was big and more hand like. Then two weeks later I saw again at the same theatre, the mechno-arm was thiner and bone like. If it was not for the internet and vidcaps this change may have been lost .... but, Who knows maybe 20 or 30 years from now people will be posting about how this first mechno-arm scene is not real and that people are crazy to think it is.

Arnie.d said:

Moth3r said:

Hunter6 said:

...why would somebody keep hold of a 20 year VHS tape of an TV version.

Why not? I kept hold of mine.

 Me too, I still have a 25 year old 8 hour double sided Philips video2000 tape with all three Star Wars movies on it.

you guys are lucky, my 90's  sci-fi channel OOT hosted by Billy Dee Williams was lost.

I hope one of who guys put your TV version on youtube, it would be fun to see.

well if you guys have 20 year old VHS tapes of an TV version maybe someone has the one that some people saw with The double throw grappling hook scene.

P.s. here is some retro fun

The VHS vs. Beta still goes on.

http://www.highdefforum.com/archive/t-26481.html

Vaderisnothayden said:
Yeah but if a number of people in the bay area are thinking they saw this thing, doesn't it raise the question that maybe that DID see something?

Today I decide to ask someone I know about the double throw grappling hook scene. This person is not a star wars fan, nor is someone one who has read the Marvel comic or the novel and has never owned a Star Wars film on VHS or DVD. 


Q: Do you remember the scene in the first star wars from the 70's in which Luke throws the grappling hook?
A: yes.

Q: what do you remember?
A: Luke throws the hook... misses... then throws it again and it makes it.

Q: Where did you see this?
a: I don't remember..... must have been on TV.

Then I told them that Luke throws the grappling hook only once and they said they remember the double throw. I then told them about this forum.   
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Vaderisnothayden said:
Yeah but if a number of people in the bay area are thinking they saw this thing, doesn't it raise the question that maybe that DID see something?

this rises questions and it is where do people said they saw the Extended original cut in the theater. If a good number of people say the same theaters (or same cities) then be strength to the people clams.
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Vaderisnothayden said:
Did this tv version include any other deleted stuff?

I don't remember other deleted stuff in this 80's TV version.
I have not watch the OOT version of the first star wars film in years.
I going to hunt an old VHS tape on-line and watch it. Hopefully I will watch with the person I ask the questions to. Maybe we will find other things.  

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Vaderisnothayden said:
But what if there was a version of it around before people were doing much recording stuff on vhs tapes?

Well the 80's TV version was around the time of people recording stuff on vhs tapes. 

The thing is why would somebody keep hold of a 20 year VHS tape of an TV version. 
It is like this: I one had the 90's OOT sci-fi channel version hosted by Billy Dee Williams, but I do not have it today.

The only hope is that a tape of 80's TV version with double throw grappling hook scene pops up like the star trek episodes with william shatner hosting I came across at second-hand store. The internet is no help in finding it. 

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C3PX said:

If I were any good at photoshop, I'd consider making a parady of Mulder's "I WANT TO BELIEVE" UFO poster from the X-Files, instead using a blurry picture of Luke's grappling hook missing, or Han talking to Jabba.

That is good.... hell, I'll make it and another one with a blurry picture of Han shooting first with "I WANT TO BELIEVE" too.

Vaderisnothayden said:

Say for a moment that Hunter6 was right and an extended print did get some showings, does anybody have any idea why it might have been released?.

This is what I heard about this Extended cut. it was a rough cut of the film and copies were made to show to investers. The rough cut copies somehow turned up at some theaters and then were pulled. This is something I can not proof (I can not pull this Extended cut of the film out and say here you go) , but you have so many witness accounts vs Lucasfilm's words.

The double throw grappling hook scene:
Here is a little help, The double throw grappling hook scene was shown on channel 4 (kron/NBC) in bay area, back in the mid-80's in their TV version at 9:00pm. 
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                adywan said:
                 The Marvel comics didn't see an early cut of the film at all.

                then, adywan said:
                There. The previews were only shown in private to a select audience (fox & Marvel among them)

adywan keep up the looking into this becuase you seem to be disproofing your veiw. :)

Yes, there was an Extended original cut of first film which was about 15 or 20 minutes longer and yes, a little group of theaters showed it, but not long.  It was pulled after two showings on opening today. Lucas has turned this little thing into an urban legend. Some of the Usenet posters are telling the truth. No one could have seen it many times because they all were pulled. It also was missing some effects and the lightsaber effects were odd. It was not the greatest way to see star wars for the first. The only good thing about it is Vader use more force powers and acts more cocky in the original cut. I think one day Lucas will add some of these back in some type of new SE.
    the Marvel comic adaption of Star Wars shows visual details that are only in the original cut. Which make me think the people who work on the Marvel comic adaption of Star Wars saw this cut of the film because the comic visual matches those scenes. How did the artists of the Marvel comic draw things just like how they are in the deleted scenes if they did not see a type of original cut of the film. The screenplay would not show how the actors stood and moved in those scenes.
    This is one Urban Legend which is real. 
    hell, one day in the future Lucas may try to make it seem like the OOT was all in people's heads too and that the SE versions were the original ones.

Count Dushku said:

I need to make a comment before I log back out for a real long time.

The reason why Star Trek began to suck began with TNG. Some hack job liberal writers got together and began to spew their evangelical message with all the fervor of fundamentalists. Sure, Rick Berman has his share of the blame, but the writers were the ones who ultimately burned the ship. It got to be too preachy.

Rick Berman is not a liberal nor were the later-on writers like Brannon Braga.

Both Rick Berman and Brannon Braga are now working on 24 which is a republican show.

Brannon Braga was the worst thing to star trek and I see it as Brannon Braga as the real killer of star trek, not Rick Berman.

The reason why Star Trek began to suck began with TNG is because the real liberal view point which Gene started on the show, died with him.

C3PX said:

Star Trek is the hippies wildest dreams come true.

Star Trek is not hippies wildest dreams come true.

The TOS episode called "The Way to Eden" shows the hippies' vision VS the Star Trek vision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Way_to_Eden

Star Trek is liberal, but not the mainstream so-called liberals like the the Clintons or Obama and so on.

C3PX said:

Star Trek without hippies and liberal messages is like a balloon without helium, sure you can blow it up with just air (or explosions and endless action scenes), but it just doesn't float.

yes, this is true but I would say

Star Trek without the real liberal messages is like a balloon without helium, sure you can blow it up with just air (or explosions and endless action scenes), but it just doesn't float.

But, like I said the liberal side of star trek has real liberal views and not the flase liberal views of people like the Clintons or Obama and so on.

You have to understand that there are two parts to liberals:

1.) The Flase Liberals who called themselves Democrats.

2.) The Real Liberals who hate the The Flase Liberals who called themselves Democrats.

If you think the Clintons or Obama are Liberals, you are wrong. They hide themselves under the name of "Liberal".

Democrats are mainly not real Liberals.

The last Real Liberals in Washington were John F. Kennedy & Bobby Kennedy and you can see what happens to Real Liberals who stand up in Washington.

JJ Abrams is a Democrat (not a real Liberal) and you can see how he is Destroying Star Trek.

It pissed me off that a punk like JJ Abrams used John F. Kennedy's voice for the first Trailer for the bull-shit film which is Star Trek in Name-Only.

I know that this site has alot of Republicans on it and I hope you (Republicans) can start to see different between Real Liberals and Democrats. 

A must read:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/new_enterprise_comment.htm

This is my fav fan-made redesign of the Enterprise design. it is by Dennis Bailey.

lordjedi said:

Uh, actually, I think Quinto looks much more like Nimoy than Routh does.  Even if the facial features aren't an exact match, they look much closer to Nimoy than Routh's does.

Zachary Quinto looks like the old old Leonard Nimoy, but not the young Leonard Nimoy. You have to watch Kid Monk Baroni. A young Leonard Nimoy was way better looking then Zachary Quinto. I do not like brandon routh, but he looks more like Leonard Nimoy in his 20s. 

Zachary Quinto looks like the mego spock doll not a young Leonard Nimoy:

twister111 said:

After seeing the trailer... I think this movie will be a failure among TOSians. . . Not sure about mainstream wise but, I've only seen a few Trek episodes. Even I know it's a big frakkup to have Spock go all Midevil on Kirk. Hell, I remember an episode that implied that Spock loved Kirk as much as 1960's Trek could.

The type of friendship Kirk and Spock have is called T'hy'la which is a Vulcan word which means "a bond beyond friends, lovers and soulmates."  T'hy'la was created by Gene Roddenberry, so it is canon. 

Spock in his normal natural state would never hurt Kirk or have hate for him.

It is a bad choice that the first footage of the new Kirk and Spock have them at each others throats. 

This is whole movie is a bad choice.

Saw the trailer.
It was so bad and I will not been going to see this shit.
It look like all bad B-sci-fi movies and you can find tons of movies like is on DVD, so why paid to see this shit.

I am a life-long star trek fan and I'm asking people Please Do not see this Movie, also Tell your friends not to see it too!
Not seeing this Movie will help Star Trek more then if this movie is a hit.

Today is truly a sad day in trek.

skyjedi2005 said:

The way this movie is they could have just as easily cast Hayden as Kirk.  You got the same angst thing going on, retarded.

Hayden Christensen canadian like William Shatner.

Why did they not get somebody who knew what the hell they were doing, this is worse, far worse than anything Berman ever did.

Yeah, but the thing Abrams is trying to Destroy Star Trek and Hayden Christensen even with his bad acting is more true to the William Shatner/kirk mold.

Young William Shatner                          Hayden Christensen                              

I don't like Hayden Christensen, but he is a far better fit for a young James T. Kirk then Chris Pine. Hayden Christensen especially  fits the young bookworm professor Lieutenant Kirk that Gary Mitchell talks about in the episode Where No Man Has Gone Before.

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Chris Pine is a classic Californian spoiled poser brat and his type are a dime a Dozen here in California just like the Zoe Saldana type.

Chris Pine does not fit the the William Shatner mold or the James T. Kirk mold.

Chris Pine does fit.....

The Eddie Munsters mold.

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Like I said I don't like Hayden Christensen, but with a better director then Lucas (or Abrams) and with William Shatner aiding him, Hayden Christensen would more likely beat Chris Pine, Even if Chris Pine had the same (better director and William Shatner aiding him).

Hayden Christensen was no Anakin Skywalker just like Brandon Routh was no Superman.

Brandon Routh's Superman was emotionless like....like..... an Vulcan. 

Brandon Routh fits the Leonard Nimoy/Spock mold more so then the superman mold.

Brandon Routh's facial features also seem to match Leonard Nimoy facial features better then....

Zachary Quinto.

I know most people think Zachary Quinto looks like Leonard Nimoy, but the truth is he does not.

Zachary Quinto's facial features are not like Leonard Nimoy facial features.

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Hayden Christensen as kirk and Brandon Routh as spock seems like a nightmare, but it could have been better than Abrams' casting. 

Abrams, himself was a bad choice to director. Hollywood has many good directors who are lifelong fans of star trek, but No They pick a bad b-director like Abrams who is not a star trek fan to director.

Abrams is turning Star Trek into some Dumb eye-Candy Action sci-fi b-movie.

it just shows that Abrams does not understands Star Trek.

Star Trek is NOT Star Wars.

Star Wars is Action and Star Trek is Drama.

Drama (not Action) is the key to good Star Trek.

Drama (not Action) is why TOS,TNG and The Wrath of Khan were good.

This is something Rick Berman and Brannon Braga never fully understooded, but Abrams (also Roberto Orci & Alex Kurtzman) seems not understand one little bit, nor seem to want to.

Just picture if someone (who is a Star Trek fan and not a star wars fan) was making a reimagined/reboot of Star Wars.

All the characters are recast and only person from the OOT is Harrison Ford as The old Han Solo called Solo Prime. Shia LaBeouf is casted as the young Han Solo.

The Millennium Falcon is redesigned to be more aerodynamic and not so junky.

The Lightsabers are redesigned to be more real and now are real swords with an laser going around the blades' edges.

The X wings are redesigned to be more real and only have two wings, no s-foils.

C3 and R2 is redesigned to be more like real robots.

and so on....
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Shia LaBeouf as the new Han Solo:


The New Millennium Falcon:


The New C3PO:

The New R2-d2:

The new lightsabers:

The new X-Wings:

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http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/12/report-from-jj-abrams-german-star-trek-presentation-more-movie-details/

It it just sad and bad.

Damn Abrams and Damn Lucas.

You both have whore-out the two best things in Sci-Fi media.

skyjedi2005 said:

Prequel to the Prequels have already been done in books Like the Darth Bane trilogy, the Kotor games, the star wars chronology, The Knights of the Old Republic Comics, Tales of the Jedi and Sith War comics. 

In novels they uncovered the Machinations of Papatine to Unseat Chancellor Valorum through lies and treachery.  That novel i believe i cannot recall the name was the prequel to episode 1.

The Prequel to episode 2 was written by Alan Dean Foster.

Labyrinth of Evil i believe was the Prequel to Episode III.

The prequel in book form to episode IV is Dark Lord the Rise of Darth Vader, and a further prequel to episode IV was delivered in the forms of the Force Unleashed Game, and Purge comics.

The far future Series which would be set more than a hundred years after the Legacy of the Force Novel series is the Legacy comics.

The skywalker Bloodline continues into this series.

Any farther back than Anakin Skywalkers birth would there be stories of an Earlier Skywalker bloodline was Shmi the first Skywalker to give birth to a force sentitive Like Anakin or did anakin have jedi ancesters or whatever the force users were called before the existance of jedi.  I think they were called Whills, or WHill users and also called the ashla. The ancestors of the sith were called the Bogan.

All of this is Expanded Universe things and George Lucas does not see them as Canon.

Look at The EU's Boba Fett before EP II came out. A full-grown Boba Fett in the EU fought in the clone wars, but then EP II changed that.

Also Lucas is always rewritten History.

Also most non-star wars fanatics who watch the movies know nonething about The EU.

The Star Wars chronology past the movies (like the EU) are a waste of time and money. 

The EU is just a scam to take money from Star Wars Fans when there is no movies being made.

The EU is a Flase chronology and this not real canon.

The only chronology which George Lucas sees as Canon are the Six film of his Star Wars Saga and not the novels or comics or games. 

This is some of the reasons I rarely buy or read the novels or comic.

For myself, I see Just the OOT and Anything EU before 1984 as canon. I Hate the SE, Prequels and Spin-offs. This is My own Star Wars Canon and not Lucas'. - Hunter Six

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon

"I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions." - George Lucas

"They have their own kind of world. There's three pillars of Star Wars. I'll probably get in trouble for this but it's OK! There's three pillars: the father, the son and the holy ghost. I'm the father, Howard Roffman [president of Lucas Licensing] is the son and the holy ghost is the fans, this kind of ethereal world of people coming up with all kinds of different ideas and histories. Now these three different pillars don't always match, but the movies and TV shows are all under my control and they are consistent within themselves. Howard tries to be consistent but sometimes he goes off on tangents and it's hard to hold him back. He once said to me that there are two Star Trek universes: there's the TV show and then there's all the spin-offs. He said that these were completely different and didn't have anything to do with each other. So I said, "OK, go ahead." In the early days I told them that they couldn't do anything about how Darth Vader was born, for obvious reasons, but otherwise I pretty much let them do whatever they wanted. They created this whole amazing universe that goes on for millions of years!"

                                                                                                                                      - George Lucas

C3PX said:

Something worth taking into consideration is that Eastwood is in far better physical condition than George Lucas. I'd be surprised if George is still directing in his 70s.

Eastwood is also in far better physical condition than William Shatner, but William Shatner now at the age of 77 still acts. Also take a look at the behind the scenes footage of the Prequel trilogy, all George Lucas did was stand and pointed at things he wanted or sat behind big monitors or talked to the actors or played with Heyden's hair.  People act like directing is some physical work, but it is not. Some directors maybe physical in their directing, but George Lucas is not one of them.

C3PX said:

In fact, I'd be surprised if he ever directs anything again. Red Tails has been a project he has talked about writing and directing himself for the longest time, and now it comes out that he has hired both a writer and a director for the film. I think that may well be a sign he is done with directing.

These action are Classic George Lucas. People thought he done with directing back in the 80's & 90's and could never direct a film again. Well, Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace shown people that their were wrong.

C3PX said:

The fact that there were many events that were mentioned to have taken place pre-TPM, doesn't mean that it was intended that there would be movies to explain those events. It is typical in story telling to make references to past events to add some backstory and history to the characters and events.

Yes, It is typical in story telling to make references to past events to add some backstory and history to the characters and events.... but, the unanswered questions of The Prequel trilogy about the past are like the unanswered questions of The Original trilogy which lead to George Lucas making The Prequel trilogy. EP III was the so-called last star wars film, but it did not close the doors of the unanswered questions, instead it the opened even more doors. Then You have George Lucas back in 2005 (shorty after EP III came out) saying he have ideas for a Prequel to the Prequels and You think George Lucas did not intended the unanswered questions about things before The Phantom Menace to be explain in movies!

The Prequel Star Wars trilogy made $2,422,714,701 Worldwide and you think George Lucas is NOT thinking about making a Sequel or Prequel to it!

I hate the idea of more bad star wars Prequels, but the written on the wall, George Lucas is going to make more Star Wars Prequels!

So, Here is the heads up for us (OOT FANS), I really think the nightmare of Star Wars Prequels will start again.

In 2005, George Lucas talked about making more Prequels
http://www.cinematical.com/2005/05/25/lucas-idea-for-new-star-wars-prequel/

You know how you can tell if a movie has things in it as lead-ins to a sequel. Well, The Prequel trilogy has allot of things in it that seems to leave things open for not a sequel...  but for more Prequels.

George Lucas has said many times HIS Star Wars Saga is about the life of Anakin Skywalker, but there are big mysteries about the origin of Anakin Skywalker's birth, the prophecy and others things about past events before  Episode I.  

All the movies of the Prequel trilogy talk about things which happen before Episode I, but are not said in a clear way. These scenes seem to be written in a way that the viewers already know all about the past events before  Episode I. It is also odd that George Lucas still keeps things about Star Wars saga secret (like what Yoda's race is, Palpatine's past and Anakin Skywalker's birth), even thou he say the HIS Star Wars Saga is over.


This is what I think the nightmare PREQUELS TO STAR WARS SAGA will have:

Palpatine's origin.
Yoda's origin.
The origin of the prophecy.
a Young count Dooku as Yoda's Padawan
a young Qui-Gon as Count Dooku's Padawan
Mandalorians as the "Troopers" characters like the clone troopers or the storm troopers. more likely they will be called Mandalorian Troopers.
a young obi-wan as Qui-Gon 's Padawan.
The origin of Anakin Skywalker's birth 
could show a young Padmé at age 5 around the time of Anakin's birth or even show her birth.
The fall of the sith and will show why The last sith (Palpatine) want revenge on the the jedi.

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Since EP I, Lucas has came out with a film three years after the movie before.

1999- STAR WARS EP I
2002- STAR WARS EP II
2005- STAR WARS EP III

2008-INDY 4
2011-INDY 5
2014-INDY 6 (more likely after INDY 6 comes out, Lucas will start talking about The new Star Wars Prelude Trilogy).

2015- Lucas more likely will start work on The new Star Wars Prelude Trilogy. 2015 will be the 10th Anniversary of Episode III.

2017- PREQUEL TO STAR WARS SAGA 0.1 (George Lucas will be 73) 2017 is oddly the same year as Star Wars' 40th Anniversary.
2020- PREQUEL TO STAR WARS SAGA 0.2 (George Lucas will be 76)
2023- PREQUEL TO STAR WARS SAGA 0.3 (George Lucas will be 79)

If you think George Lucas will be to old to direct these "prequels to the prequels"... Think again, look at Clint Eastwood who is 78 and has been directing all thru his 70's. also look at other directors who are in their 70's and even 80's
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The thing is The Prequel trilogy are not Prequel to the Star Wars Saga, GL sees Prequel trilogy has a part of the Star Wars Saga. The New Prequel films will more likely be seen has a Prelude trilogy to the Star Wars Saga and more likely will not have Episode in the titles, this also leaves an opening for even more Star Wars Saga Prequels.     

Oh, THE HORROR..... THE HORROR!

skyjedi2005 said:

This game would have been awesome if you played as vader throughout the entire game and hunted down the remaining jedi.  You Know what episode III should have been, and what got basically moved to the Dark Horse comics purge.

But of course the clone wars and jedi purge had to be told in a multitude of media to maximize profits.  It is all about the greenbacks for Lucas, the story is completely secondary hell you don't need a script as long as you have cgi,lol.

this is just how I feel about T.F.U.

Why was this game about a nobody character like starkiller and not about Vader?

A bigger Question is why were The Prequels wrote as lead ups to Events that were talked about in OT?

Can you Picture if EP IV was just about the lead-up to luke leaving the farm or EP V was just about the lead-up to luke going to yoda or if EP VI was just about the lead-up to Luke goes to save han.

That is how the prequels were.

EP I was the lead-up to Starwalker's training and him becoming a jedi.

EP II was the lead-up to The Clone Wars

EP III was the lead-up to vader hunted down the jedi.

I think skyjedi2005 is right on with "but of course, the clone wars and jedi purge had to be told in a multitude of media to maximize profits."

skyjedi2005 said:

Turns out hunter6 was right.  I posted some criticisms on the trekmovie.com site and was automatically banned no warning from a mod or an e-mail, nothing.  But my posts don't show when i post them.

So much for free speech.  The forums nazis over there must love their little nerd life of banning people for no good reason.

Perhaps i should go to TFN and get banned there as well for saying how shitty the clone wars is.

I just hope the worst does not happen and star trek Branches off into another continuity, the JJ verse of trek.

It is either in the Spirit of Roddenberry or the Trekkies will boycott on opening day.

I mean their are so many subdevisions of the continuity already the pure roddenberry one.  The Nicholas Meyer and Nimoy one, The Shatner verse which is thankfully mostly kept to the novels except for star trek V.  The Berman/moore verse.

Welcome skyjedi2005 to "banned off of trekmovie.com club",

trekmovie.com seems to be a total shill site and seems to by ran by JJ and his friends.

Hell, Roberto Orci (one of the writers of JJ's Star Trek) even posts on trekmovie.com sometimes.

trekmovie.com is really the TF.N of Star Trek, just like StarTrek.com in '09 will become the StarWars.com of Star Trek.

I hope someone makes a site like the originaltrilogy.com of star trek. It can be called "originalcrew.com" or "originalseries.com".

The signs of star trek Branches off into another continuity (the JJ verse of trek) seems clear to me.

Once on trekmovie.com somebody wrote " JJ and his team seems to be changing things just to be changing them" and then that people was Banned off of trekmovie.com. 

It is sad that TOS-era fans will never see a real TOS-era movie or even a TV spin-off set in the real TOS-era.

Some Star Trek fans have been feed the "Star Trek is Dead" bull-shit since Star Trek: Enterprise was canned and some Star Trek fans feel they have to love this JJ's Star Trek or Star Trek will never come back. This is just all bull-shit and Roddenberry's Star Trek is more powerful then people think. The TNG-era (Berman/Moore/Braga verse) is dead, but not Star Trek itself.  It is like if The Clone Wars TV show was canned and the media start to say "Star Wars is Dead". I would see the TF.N lovers falling for that one, but not real Star Wars fans because Star Wars (the OOT specially) is more powerful then that.

I really think will are seeing the start of Star Trek becoming like how Star Wars of Today is with the Fan based broke apart in to smaller groups (like OOT fans V.S. SE/PT fans), people in charge who do not care about what long time fans want (like George Lucas and Rick McCallum) and so go....

It is just all sad.

R.I.P Star Wars (1977-1983)

R.I.P Star Trek (1965-1992)