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#354406
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The Problem with George Lucas
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C3PX said:

What the hell? Is there supposedly some group of SW fans out there begging the flanneled one not to release the originals on DVD in watchable form?


Yes, The Lucas fans (like TF.n) are almost on that level.
They want a new SE, not the OOT in a watchable form.
They love the 2006 GOUT DVDs. 
They love the Prequels and want the OT to be more like the Prequels.
allot of them think the Prequels & SE are better than the OOT and think the OOT is Shitty because George says that.
They are not Star Wars Fans because they like Star Wars, They are fans of George Lucas only and are fans of all the things he pumps out, Good or Bad.
They are Lucas Zombies.

Here is 269 pages of Lucas Zombies dreaming about and waiting for a New SE:
http://boards.theforce.net/the_star_wars_saga/b10456/10488221/p1/?4023

some of these posts here are the problem too:
Topic: Fans who grew up with the OT-Do any of you actually prefer the PT?
http://boards.theforce.net/the_star_wars_saga/b10456/12728449/p1


If you look around TF.n you can see that they are way more into The Prequels, The Clone Wars and a New SE. They to don't care about the classic version of OT and especial not about a good remastered of the OOT on DVD.

They are almost on the level of begging George Lucas NOT to release the OOT on DVD in a watchable form.

Damn those Jar Jar loving Lucas Zombies!

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#354192
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The Problem with George Lucas
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skyjedi2005 said:

Yeah but if like the gout was released in 2001 rather than say in 2006 i know for instance i would not be bitching about it being non anamorphic because there were very few widescreen displays back then or HDTV and then they were like 10 thousand dollars or something so a 4:3 letterbox picture would have been fine because people would not be worrying about these 16:9 tv displays.

I remember this is back before i even knew of anamorphic or all that when i first had a dvd player in like 2000 or something asking when the definitive collection was going to come on dvd with all the bonus materials and old documentaries.  Yes i was a dreamer in those days and thought Lucas was an okay guy,lol.

I stil don't have a 16:9 HDTV set by the way.  Too bad the gout does not even use the full resolution of a standard def dvd and the picture is soft and has dvnr problems.  In fact the picture is so bad i find it hard to even enjoy watching the movies. The 2004 restoration brought out details unnoticed before, too bad the colors were botched the sound fucked up and the bad cgi was still there.

I have waited forever for a watchable version of Star Wars 1977 so far no fan restoration has been done, i'm waiting for puggos and the vintage edit.   The classic ocpmovie edition was just plain bad on all levels, i'm referring of course to the dual layer version the 2.0. The Editdroid was the best until the gout was released. 

I would like to give the X-0 the award for best transfer but it does not exist.  It is vaporware. Of course the screenshots say otherwise, but still no release.  The project all but dissapeared when the gout was announced talk about Lucas taking the wind out of their sails,lol.

You may have not been bitching about it back 2001, but I would have been just like now.

GOUT was just wrong and so was all of the DVDs that Lucas has came out with for 9 years now.

Not just OT, but also TPM dvd from 2001 is mess up, AOTC dvd from 2002 is mess up, ROTS from 2005 is mess up and so on. 

 

PS: I also don't have a 16:9 HDTV set by the way..

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#354189
Topic
The Problem with George Lucas
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skyjedi2005 said:

The thing with George is he goes back and ruins good movies he made to fit movies he made 20 or more years later that are very bad.

He ruins American Graffiti by adding a cgi shot to it.  He ruins Raiders of the Lost Ark by adding a cgi shot to it.  He ruined the star wars trilogy by adding not needed cgi and the same thing he did to THX 1138.

At least in the case of star wars even though being non anamorphic laserdisc masters as bonus discs at least they are on dvd.  THX 1138 original version or graffiti theatrical cut are not on dvd and would have to be recreated by fans.

Yet Howard the Duck, Willow, Radioland Murders, Tucker, More American Graffiti are not having cgi added to them or being ruined.  Though he did recut parts of young indy and put out cut versions of the droids and ewok cartoons.  The Ewok films other than having the theatrical title cards rather than tv versions are uncut, with no bad cgi added.

The Indiana Jones Trilogy other than being cleaned up and having some color differences than the vhs versions and having things like boom mikes or glass reflections removed are still untouched.  Too bad the blu ray with have that added cgi shot in raiders= no sale.

Everything from the messed up soundtrack and poor botched colors on the 2004 versions of the films, to the debacle of having 16 year old laserdisc transfers on dvd to represent the original cinematic vision of the films.

Lucasfilm Companies back in the nineties cared about quality and did qaulity control before putting out a release.  Sure okay they did good dvd releases of the prequel films even though the theatrical cuts were missing it still does not cut it.  I would like to retire my phantom menace japan laserdisc someday too bad Lucash has no intent of ever having that version on dvd.  Episode 1 has bad edge enhancement but due to it being the first major Lucasfilm title on dvd that was not just dumped onto disc, and during the early years of dvd it usually gets a pass.  That does not mean Lucas cannot afford a new scan in 4k of the original film negative.

The 2004 version is not my favorite version of the trilogy but i would like to have a corrected version in my collection with no wonky colors. Garbage mattes, lightsabers changing colors reversed sound channels in the dogfight over the death star as well as the lso score being non existant.

Lucas cares so little for the original versions of the films he had the video masters from 1993 dumped directly to disc and had the menu design outsourced, while the 2004 had Award Winning Van Ling Menus.  See this is something you could get away with in 1997 or 1998 but not in 2006. I know that a lot of first issue dvds were not anamorphic laserdisc to dvd dumps in single layer.  Paramount did this with Star Trek movies back then i think undiscovered country was letterbox.

Yes, but then if fans like you or I say some thing about the bad things,  George Lucas and Lucas fans (like TF.n) see us as just bitching nerds who were never true fans in the first place. George Lucas will not listen to us because of the Problem, I wrote about above. If there was only "Star Wars only" Fans as his only Fanbase for Star Wars and not the Lucas fans (like TF.n)  Lucas would have more likely never did those actions you wrote. 

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#354184
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The Problem with George Lucas
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The Problem with George Lucas

The Problem with George Lucas seems to be that George Lucas does not want Star Wars fans. He wants George Lucas fans which means a fan of the person named George Lucas, not his work. Look at TF.N and you will see a site for fans of the person named George Lucas. It does not matter what George Lucas does, it is who he is to these fans. The same is true of some others like JJ Abrams who wants JJ Abrams fans, not star trek fans. George Lucas wants people to love him just because he is him, not for a good movie with a good story. George Lucas seems to want his fans to have unconditional love for him. If you judge his things, George Lucas and Lucas fans (like TF.n) seems to see it as if you do not love George unconditional, then you are not a real fan.
This seems to be the problem we (OOT Fans) are having to face with George Lucas.

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#354159
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Abrams is Destroying Star Trek like Lucas has Destroyed Star Wars
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Anchorhead said:
Hunter6 said:

...jumping doing flips is not real.

Neither are 99% of the things that have taken place in all things Star Trek over the last 43 years. 

It's science fiction.

No sh**, it is science fiction, but the HUMAN characters in Star Trek for the last 43 years have moved like HUMANS, not like a cartoon characters. One of the points of Star Trek is it is about REAL HUMANS like you or me, not some human-looking alien race who live Far, Far Away. The CGI made jumping around sword fighting is just that "CGI made".  It is not even a real person doing it. The Only characters you do see doing things like that in the Star Trek world for over the last 43 years are some of the ALIEN races.  

It's science fiction, but show me one thing of science fiction which has humans from earth without superpower or a matrix or cybernetics or without something aiding them doing jumping around like Sulu in the movie.

Name just one.

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#354018
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Anchorhead said:
Hunter6 said:

(The thing is Sulu does not have powers like an jedi)

 

Correct. 

Worth pointing, by the way, is the fact that the trailer doesn't show Sulu having Jedi powers.

 

Watch it again, Sulu is jumping around like jedi.

Now JJ has said He is making Star Trek more Real.

Well I have trained in Sword fighting back in my school days, jumping doing flips is not real.

A person can not jump around like Sulu is doing in the trailer and especially in a real Sword fight.  

also a Katana Sword weights alot, so no one would be jumping around with it. 

You would need Jedi powers or be in the matrix to do and things Sulu is doing in the trailer.

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#354016
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Abrams is Destroying Star Trek like Lucas has Destroyed Star Wars
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MJPollard said:

Theory:

Based on all of the information gleaned so far, we already know that Nero went back in time (as explained in the "Countdown" comic) and wiped out the USS Kelvin, an event which altered the timeline.  Not drastically, but enough.  When Starfleet finds out about the Kelvin, they assume that they're facing a Really Big Bad (I'm pretty confident that Nero lays low for now) and go on a technology upgrade tear to fact this new threat.  Hence, the alternate USS Enterprise looking a lot more technically sophisticated than the prime USS Enterprise.

 

How does one changed event affects so much to the point all the characters are different?

the Wipe out of the USS Kelvin is one event which affects Kirk's life, but how are Bones, Spock, Sulu, The Enterprise and so on affected too.

Why do I feel that this movie will not go into those details.

 

a technology upgrade tear to fact this new threat

Yeah, but upgrading the technology to 24th cen. like technology is too far.

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#354014
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Abrams is Destroying Star Trek like Lucas has Destroyed Star Wars
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Anchorhead said:
Hunter6 said:


How about having Sulu do jumping around sword-fighting....

Yeah, that feels completely out of charac.......

oh...wait a minute

 

 

 

Don't cut off my point.

How about having Sulu do jumping around sword-fighting like the jedi in the prequels. (The thing is Sulu does not have powers like an jedi)

Also remember TOS Sulu was not a Sword-Fighter. He did not know know to handle Sword and even poke his thumb with the blade.

Also He did not use a Ninja Sword like the sulu in the movie.
Also TOS Sulu was under the affect of a illness when he was doing the sword playing around .

The Point that scene from TOS is that it is completely out of character for Sulu.

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#353965
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Abrams is Destroying Star Trek like Lucas has Destroyed Star Wars
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skyjedi2005 said:

Still no matter what JJ does it cannot be as bad as Lucas having chewie and Yoda be best pals, Boba Fett a clone, anakin a whiny emo goth teenager who ends up being more annoying than Jar Jar.  That is saying something when you turn a badass like Vader into a pussy who is more annoying than the worst sidekick/ comic relief character ever conceived for the silver screen.


How about turning the non-emotion Spock into a emotion wimp who looks like waxed transgender with a nerdy voice.


How about turning a great captain in the star trek world like Kirk into an smart-mouth dumb-a@@ little punk who acts like a teenager. It like Heyden's Anakin, but with an smart-a@@ mouth. (each time I see Chris Pine as Kirk, I just want to punch him in the face).


How about turning McCoy into a southern version of Woody Allen who is scarier off by a little short young woman.


How about having Sulu do jumping around sword-fighting like the jedi in the prequels. (The thing is Sulu does not have powers like an jedi)



How about turning The Classic Enterprise into a Deformed ship with an i-mac Bridge.

And So on....


The New Star Trek film seems to be worst then The Prequels.

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#353895
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William Shatner's  The Final Frontier is seen as one of the worst star trek film by trek fans.

It all most killed the Star Trek Films.

Yes, Star Trek has it's jokey points, but the characters have been the characters.

Now, the New Kirk acts like Seth Green, The new Scotty acts wimpy and the new Spock comes off as a bitchy drag queen.

Anchorhead

 

 

http://trekmovie.com/2009/04/08/3rd-star-trek-clip-now-online/

 

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#353795
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http://trekmovie.com/2009/04/09/star-trek-soundtrack-cover-tracklist-new-movie-images-amc-promo-video/


the Star Trek Soundtrack list:

1. Star Trek (1:03)
2. Nailin’ the Kelvin (2:09)
3. Labor of Love (2:51)
4. Hella Bar Talk (1:55)
5. Enterprising Young Men (2:39)
6. Nero Sighted (3:23)
7. Nice To Meld You (3:13)
8. Run and Shoot Offense (2:04)
9. Does It Still McFly? (2:03)
10. Nero Death Experience (5:38)
11. Nero Fiddles, Narada Burns (2:34)
12. Back From Black (:59)
13. That New Car Smell (4:46)
14. To Boldly Go* (:26)
15. End Credits* (9:11)

 

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#353599
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WARNING SPOILERS

WARNING SPOILERS

WARNING SPOILERS

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SPOILERS ABOUT THE JJ STAR TREK:
Nero is determined to destroy all planets in the federation.
Nero wait 25 years for old spock after Spock's ship time jumps from the kelvin event. Nero capture old Spock's ship which in turn gave them the technology needed to destroy planets.
Nero drills a hole into the planet's core and then deposits red matter that creates a singularity from within the planet itself.
Spock's mother, "Amanda" dies. the ground gives way under Amanda and they are unable to keep the transporter lock.
Vulcan is destroyed.
Pike is tortured by Nero, but is not killed.
Kirk is not really captain.
Spock displays a lot of emotion.
In the End, Spock launches an assault in old Spock's ship, and releases the red matter into the ship causing a singularity to form. Then Kirk blasts the hell out of it after Nero refuses to surrender.
Spock meets old Spock at the end of the movie. Spock wants to leave Starfleet to help rebuild the Vulcan culture, but old Spock talks him out of it as he himself will carry the knowledge to a new colony of Vulcans.
old Spock stays in the 23rd century.
No old kirk in the film.

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#353179
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skyjedi2005 said:

The funny thing is if i went to see wrath of khan on the big screen and they showed this i would feel cheated beyond belief.  I would be willing to pay a lot of money to see Trek II on the big screen. 

I would not spend 2 cents to see this contrived piece of dung paramount is putting out.  And when that reviewer compared it transfromers that seals the deal with me i'll be staying home, that movie had some of the most attrociously bad script writing i have ever seen next to lucas at his indiana jones IV and prequel best.

After seeing Lost, Alias, Fringe and MI:III i am convinced orci and kurtzman are the biggest hacks in hollywood at the moment.  Next to David Koepp and Akiva Goldsman that is.

The thing is no matter what i think this movie is going to make tons of money.  Just like the horrible comic prequel sold out in stores.

People are going to see this because it is not star trek even though it is calling itself such.  People that would have stayed away because trek was for geeks and nerds and losers or whatever stereotype is popular at the moment,lol.  What they made is another popcorn munching, cgi blockbuster that looks like a 200 million dollar videogame.  Basically the Trek version of bays transformers.  It will be action packed and sexy and not real science fiction or cerebral roddenberry trek which others hate but i like.  The cage and the motion picture happen to be some of my favorite trek in this way.

They have been making action trek flicks for years.  The last one which had any thought going on in it was Insurrection, well that ones message was incapsulated in an action film trying to be like first contact which was a mistake imho.  Then Nemesis a rehash of star trek II and an action film.  Every film since First contact has pretty much been this way.  The studios want to make money, they care nothing about getting you to think or film as art.

It is unfortunate that a great film like trek II would unseat and destroy the very franchise it saved, by making each film have to be militaristic and an action piece and not about exploration or the final frontier.

Wow i just saw the mtv clip what stupid dialogue the scene was as funny as it was cringe worthy, reminds me of the padme and anakin scenes in the prequels.

He tells Uhura who is a linguist that she has a "talented tongue"  Uhura tells him something like since he is a farmboy from iowa he must have sex with the farm animals and pine quips "not only"  WTF?  This sounds more like a Kevin Smith movie than a star trek movie.

I just knew the guys who gave Sam Witwicky in Transformers the screen name ladiesman, and had bumblebee pissing and Optimus Prime saying "my bad"  like he was from the clueless movie could not get a thing right.  All the bad one liners you could ever think of.  I hope its not American Pie in outerspace or trek 90210, but things are looking pretty grim.  These guys wrote in the comic "get Your ass up here bigboy".  Wow such great writing.  Dude a bunch of drunk fratboys might write like this but these guys are paid screenwriters in hollywood. 

Their writing would not pass muster in a high school english class much less a college one.  They get paid millions to write scripts that a room full of monkeys could come up with.  Here lets smear poo on a piece of paper,lol.

This is the so called stellar Script Nimoy was waiting for he came out of retirement to make, yet he turned down generations, just wow.  Unbelievable.  I hope they paid the old chap well enough because this thing is a visual feast but written like a turd.

The copy of the first ten minutes of Khan which melts at the showing was made to look bad and old which seems like a FU to that film. I don't like that. It seems so punk-a@@ to do that. also ten minutes in TWOK is a point in which a shot of William Shatner as kirk. So They melt on William Shatner which seems like another FU.


 

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#353176
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 HotRod said:
And here's one from Quint @ AICN
He seemed to dig the film...as did most of the reviews on that site.

Hotrod, I would not trust aintitcool.com
They are just too in bed with hollywood.

I think chud.com is the only review to trust right now, even with the writer in euphoric from the utter shock of Leonard Nimoy appearing right in front of him.

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#353045
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From:

http://chud.com/articles/articles/18883/1/STAR-TREK-THE-WRATH-OF-A-REVIEW/Page1.html


Tonight was the world premiere of JJ Abrams' Star Trek in Australia... or so everybody thought. Paramount actually secretly brought the film to the Alamo Drafthouse in Austin, Texas, where a crowd had assembled for what they thought was a free screening of Wrath of Khan. When the show let out excited reactions hit Twitter; while I've been highly and vocally skeptical about this rebootquel, the responses - especially from a couple of other skeptics - have me heartened.

We don't usually run reader reviews, but long time message board denizen Greg Clark is lucky enough to live in Austin and was double lucky enough to be there tonight. He sends in his thoughts:

The lovely bastards at the Drafthouse pulled a fast one on us tonight. Last week they announced a free screening of Star Trek II and baited us with a special 10 minute sneak preview of J.J. Abrams’ upcoming Trek reboot; since Wrath of Khan isn’t just my favorite Trek films but one of my favorite films period, I made sure I was there to see it on the big screen in the best theatre in the country. Well, turns out they got the times right but the programming got switched; we got the first ten minutes of Khan, and suddenly the film melted. Everyone’s panicked, Tim League, owner of the Drafthouse, looked pretty peeved. Suddenly, a tall figure enters the room, reveals himself to be none other than Leonard Fucking Nimoy (his full name, I believe), and asks us if we’d like to be the first audience in the world to see the new Trek film (the film is officially premiering in Sydney as I’m writing this, so we win that title by mere hours). “Um, sure,” the crowd responds. “Twist our arms on that one.” So, somewhat surreally, the lights go back down, and I’m suddenly becoming one of the first people to legally see one of this summer’s tentpole movies.

I enjoyed it. I'm still euphoric from the utter shock of Leonard Nimoy appearing right in fucking front of me (I was second row from the front, and was one of the first people to figure out who exactly this big lanky guy in the ballcap was), but the movie taken on its own...well, it doesn't suck. Anyone who says it's better than Wrath of Khan is talking out of their hyperbolic ass though. This one doesn't nearly have as clear a thought out script as that one, easily one of the tightestly plotted films in any genre, and suffers from the same problem as that other Orci and Kurtzman collaboration, Transformers: it wants to be all things for all people at all times.

Before the movie, the writers said that they really looked at Khan and decided that they wanted to aim for that; they weren't kidding. Khan was always more of a straight up action/adventure movie than a science fiction one, a true submarine naval thriller set in the stars, and this one is certainly trying for that. In that sense it succeeds in its goal; it is a very exciting picture. The film is definitely more concerned with action and a quick pace than it is in being a sci-fi film about exploring the galaxy. The setpieces are fun, they're fast, and they keep you interested. All the actors do a fine job in varying degrees, most of the dialogue works, and it's a very handsome looking film.

The problem I run into, though, is that it's trying to do too many things. It wants to keep the hardcore fanbase happy, so we get a very laboriously explained tie into the old Trek continuity. And yet we have a new cast and a desire to get the mainstream back roped back into this universe, so the film stars off with massive explosions and a deafening sound mix. I really wish they had just started over from scratch, like a real reboot should, but surprisingly, the way they tie everything ends up working for the most part. Where it all falls down is that it takes so long to get the basic point of Bana's villain across that the movie's halfway through the second act before you really get a feel for what exactly his motivation is, and why we need to tie into the old Trek in the first place. It literally takes Leonard Nimoy showing up as Old Spock to get the plot to snap into making any sort of sense; instead of a tired "it's all about REVENGE" motivation Nero could have just been a crazed Romulan looking to beat the competition (read: Vulcans/Federation) in order to show who had the bigger stick. The only thing that would've changed would have been Bana's ship might not have resembled Sarrisus' destroyer from Galaxy Quest so much, and it possibly could have given Bana something to do; the man's trying but he's basically roaring angrily for 80% of his screentime.

This leads to my biggest problem with the movie: they take the shorthand way out when this is supposed to be these character's first big adventure. We're just tossed into the fray and it's full of assumed knowledge, like why the Romulans and Vulcans hate each other, or what the Federation stands for. Yeah, I know, if you're reading this you know all these things, but look at it this way: the two most successful reboots, Batman Begins and Casino Royale, still explained the motivations of its characters. It didn't just assume we knew everything about Bond or Batman, it let their origins play out. In fact, one could say the entire length of both those movies was entirely about what made these characters tick and lead them to become the iconic images we recognize (probably moreso in Casino Royale). Trek leans heavily on the iconography but skimps on the details, which makes for a fun, but ultimately very lightweight movie. It's far more interested in keeping our heart racing than it is in exploring any real sci-fi themes about exploring the universe or the meaning of sacrificing oneself for a greater good, two of the cornerstones to the best episodes and films in the Trek canon. Again, going back to Khan, that film was about something. It explored themes and ideas about growing old, trying to hold on to youth and the past long after one’s prime, and what happens when that past comes back to haunt you. Kirk spends all of Khan trying to ignore death, cheat it, until it unavoidably hits him square in the face. This new Trek isn’t ABOUT anything, thematically; it bandies about talk of destiny and facing your fears, but it’s all lip service. And like I said, that makes it fun, a lot more fun than almost any other Trek film out there, but it's full of sound and fury and little else.

Despite the first twenty minutes or so being dedicated to Spock and Kirk's childhood/formative years and Academy days, we don't get a good feel for what really makes them tick. It's all quickly brushed broad strokes and archetypes, with again a nice handful of assumed knowledge and glossing over. Kirk's childhood segment (the car chase in the trailer) really, really blows, and its soundtrack choice was so glaringly dumb (and pandering to the mainstream) and out of place that I became frightened that J.J. Abrams had fully transformed into Michael Bay. Let's just say I happy when we were done with kids Kirk and Spock and moved onto the Academy days, because we got a healthy dose of fun in the form of Karl Urban's McCoy. Yeah, he's basically aping DeForrest Kelly for the most part, but it's a very good imitation in that he makes it feel natural. While Urban will never win any acting awards, he does do doom and gloom pretty well, and when played for chuckles his cynicism makes the movie, well, fun in a more classic sense. So much of this movie is a very loud rollercoaster; I cherished the moments when it remembered that it could be fun by just letting the actors and their characters have a few moments to breathe.

This is mostly shown by how wonderful Simon Pegg is in here; it's almost a crime that the film is halfway over before Scotty makes it into the movie. Chris Pine does the most surprising work when he shakes off any Shatnerisms that might feel required when playing Kirk and makes him a very familiar, yet fresh character. It didn't take me long to accept him as Kirk; I was even more impressed when I saw flashes of what Shatner brought to the role that worked while ditching all the things that make him so mockable. I'm not too familiar with Pine, but I think he's got a very good quality about him, and lets it show through the underneath Kirk's cocky asshole exterior he has his moments where he fully realizes just how out of his depth he probably is. Quintano takes a lot more cues from Nimoy, but really, the man defined how to play a Vulcan, and while Quintano doesn't quite get there as far as making being emotionless not mean being a prick, he does a much better job dealing with Spock's internal struggle between his Vulcan sensibilities and his very real human emotions. John Cho has a moment to shine as Sulu and little else, while Zoë Saldana gets a few moments of requisite girl power before being relegated to very pretty window dressing. Anton Yelchin is basically an extended cameo as Chekov, and his bizarre Russian accent is some much welcome goofiness amidst such serious and intense (and loud. Did I mention this movie’s volume is ramped to 11 for most of the running time?) proceedings.

I really feel like I'm coming down on this movie hard, but that's mainly because I want to give it a fair shake taken on its own, not just from the admittedly near euphoric atmosphere I saw it in. Premieres at the Drafthouse are exciting enough; a surprise one with a legendary actor ten feet away from you makes it all the harder to remain objective. And trust me that I'm not bullshitting when I say it's a very exciting, very fun adventure movie; it most certainly is. Furthermore, they manage to work the way-too-convoluted-for-its-own-good time travel/old continuity bridge into a convincing new foundation for further adventures with the new cast, something that is in itself a small miracle (an achievement lessened when you consider that this juggling act could have been avoided altogether). The movie should easily become the biggest (and probably most popular with the mainstream) Trek film out there, and Paramount might have successfully turned this back into a cash cow. Let's just hope the next time out we can get some real exploration based adventure, instead of spending half a running time figuring out what the point of the film is going to be. But overall, for now, I'll say that Trek is back, and I'm eager to see the new crew take on what's next. I’ll be honest, though: when the credits came up on this and the applause died down, I couldn’t help but shake the fact that I still wanted to watch Wrath of Khan on the big screen.

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http://trekmovie.com/2009/04/03/trekink-review-crew-2-preview-missions-end-2-news-on-post-st09-comic/#comment-1689281
As the "Star Trek Countdown" prequel was set entirely in the TNG universe, this new book titled "Spock: Reflections" will be the first comic tie-in set in the universe of the new movie.  According to Harris, "It looks to be set in the new, post-film timeline established by the rebooted continuity. It should hit shelves sometime around July, just in time for the San Diego Comic-Con."

Trekmovie Comment:
 17. Darrksan - April 3, 2009

    “the rebooted continuity”
    I guess that means JJ’s trek is erasing TOS.
    damn it!


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I think darrksan is right and I say damn it too.

 the rebooted continuity, I maybe can picture what it is:

ENT-era-----JJ's era------movie era-------TNG-Era

 

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#351696
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skyjedi2005 said:

I have come to the conclusion to Enjoy the new JJ trek verse you have had to have no interest or knowledge of star trek or seen little or none of the older films or tv series.  You have to pretend the other films and shows don't exist.  I could not do that for bond and i cannot do that for star trek either.

True.

For me, The New Bond and Batman Movies are way more easier to handle then this new Star Trek movie.

It really feels and looks like the new Star Trek movie is way off-base. 

Bad set designs, Bad ship designs, Bad make-up, most of the actors seem not right for the roles  and The film not being made for the fans. also, JJ Abrams and the Writers seems to say just the wrong things which piss off the fans.

 

I have read many stories like this "Star Trek Movie, What the @#$% Are You Doing" one:

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/03/star_trek_movie_what_the_are_you_doing.php

 

This new star trek is just wrong to most people who had or have interest in or knowledge of star trek.

JJ Abrams may say "This film is not for the Fans", but He wants the money from the fans. 

The number of Star Trek Fans in the world is more then non-fans.

JJ's Star Trek Sequel????  maybe seeing than even the Transformers movie which allot of people hate is having a Sequel. I question how Transformers 2 will do, seeing allot of people seem to hate Transformers 1 and I feel that a JJ's Star Trek Sequel will be in the same boat. 

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Scotty (Simon Pegg) trapped inside water pipes then He has his "I like this ship…it’s exciting" line.

Simon Pegg as Scotty maybe worst then Jar Jar.

This movie is looking even more horrible.

This maybe the kid's trailer, but it is still bad and will be in the movie.

 

http://trekmovie.com/2009/03/29/see-star-trek-kids-trailer-aired-during-kids-choice-awards-w-analysis-pine-appearance/

 

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skyjedi2005 said:

Hunter6 your forgetting that the best Trek film of all was directed and Helmed by someone who was neither a fan nor well versed in trek lore, Nicholas Meyer.  Remember Bennet and Meyer were brought outside of trek after the motion picture to breathe new life into trek.

 

No, I did not forget Nicholas Meyer.

Nicholas Meyer and Gene Roddenberry were real alike in their visions of Star Trek.

Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek was Horatio Hornblower, but on a starship. 

Meyer described his script as "'Hornblower' in outer space", utilizing nautical references and a swashbuckling atmosphere.[8](Hornblower was an inspiration to Roddenberry and Shatner when making the show, although Meyer was unaware of this).[26]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_II

 

Also Nicholas Meyer's ST: II was more like the swashbuckling TOS then ST:TMP.

Nicholas Meyer did not need to know trek lore because he got what Star Trek was about and it showed.

 

 

JJ Abrams is NO Nicholas Meyer and it shows.

 

 

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Last week, I was watching a Star Trek Special and in it they said that 58% of people (worldwide) see themselves has fans of Star Trek.
58% (worldwide) are trek-fans


JJ Abrams and his Bad Robot team has made a Star Trek for non-trek fans.
42% (worldwide) are non-trek fans.
good going, JJ!

Man, JJ Abrams must be the World's Dumbest Person.

The funny thing is that another Star Trek Special says that most trek-fans are smarter then most (allot of Trek-fans have an high I.Q.)
JJ Abrams seems to have pride in saying "He is not a Star Trek Fan". 

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Watch New Star Trek (2009) TV Commercial
http://trekmovie.com/2009/03/23/watch-new-star-trek-movie-commercial-download-hd/


It is very bad,
I'm really shock and very piss off about this TV Commercial because the new footage is showing how bad is movie going to be. JJ has turned Star Trek into a bad Star Wars/Matrix rip-off.
I have never said this, but....  F*** JJ ABRAMS AND F*** BAD ROBOT

 

 

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I do not even know what they decided to make Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. For starts, it is a old idea, back in the 90's there was talk of a
Terminator TV show called Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.
Next is why are they trying to ease T3. Some people may not like T3, but seeing that T:TSCC is a TV show, it will have bad ones too, but I have a feel that they will not try to ease them like they are try to ease T3. The time jumping to 2007 was just dumb. The kicker is that the New Terminator movie called Terminator Salvation is a sequel to T3 (set 14 years after T3) and it turns out will NOT have links to T:TSCC which was first plan. That makes T:TSCC, the real alternate timeline/non-canon one. Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles is just so pointless and a waste of time.         

Also: To me, Summer Glau is just poor version of Kristanna Loken.

        

Summer Glau                                                        Kristanna Loken