Humby

RUN_LUKE_RUN said:

Humby said:

RUN_LUKE_RUN said:

need this in the last jedi
https://youtu.be/I7I0xJNIxiE

Just want to add that this isn’t actually a deleted, its fan made (as it says in the description). I’ve seen a few people throwing this around as if it were an official deleted scene.

it was actually early concept art but they wanted it to be family friendly so they didn’t go threw with it
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiP-ICB-urYAhVY8mMKHeDsAegQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theringer.com%2F2017%2F12%2F19%2F16782350%2Fporgs-are-good-last-jedi&psig=AOvVaw3w5VAdGdKSNddR5ax8lvnl&ust=1516689281219984

True. I just meant footage-wise. I don’t think the idea went further than concept art, though I could be wrong.

RUN_LUKE_RUN said:

need this in the last jedi
https://youtu.be/I7I0xJNIxiE

Just want to add that this isn’t actually a deleted, its fan made (as it says in the description). I’ve seen a few people throwing this around as if it were an official deleted scene.

darthrush said:

Daxtreme said:

It could work with any other franchise, but Star Wars…

it’s just something else. It wouldn’t work, and I seriously hope they don’t recast Princess Leia. You’re among the very few who believe this could work with another actress playing her character.

I guess. I just find it shows more respect to Carrie to finish her character’s arc as they originally desired to. But I see where ya’ll are coming from for sure.

It’s kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. Do we put words in Carrie’s mouth and assume she’d be okay with recasting, or do we simply let go and kill her character offscreen?

Carrie was definitely the type of person who would say that the character belongs to the audience and that Leia shouldn’t have to die just because she is no longer with us. I suppose Billy Lourd and the rest of Carrie’s family should have the final say.

Or perhaps they have some/enough deleted footage from TLJ to composite her into Episode IX for a brief moment before giving that character an on screen death.

No matter what they do, I will respect their decision so long as Carrie’s family and estate gives their approval.

Frank your Majesty said:

Humby said:

Frank your Majesty said:

There’s a difference between presenting an innovation and using an unfinished technology in a multimillion dollar project.

Also, if you have to add “for a 16 years old [CGI] model” than it really doesn’t look that good. And TPM looks way better than AOTC.

Are we now excusing any poor decison of Lucas as being brave or innovative?

It seems to me that your distaste for the movies are keeping you beholden to the idea that innovation is only valid if it breeds perfection. But at the end of the day, that is not how innovation works, nor has it ever.

It’s not about perfection, it’s about being at least as good as the existing technology. I’m talking about objective technical benchmarks here, like resolution and dynamic range.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think this is the first time you’ve mentioned any benchmarks at all.

Listen Frank, with all due respect, it’s not gonna help your argument. I’m a cinema camera and lens technician with experience working on Aaton and Panavisiom film cameras, I am currently certified in servicing Canon, Sony, Arri, Panasonic, and Red digital cinema cameras, and if you want to get into the technical aspects of sensor benchmarks and digital standards from the late 90s to early 2000s I am more than happy to.

At the end of the day, if you’d rather not get into it, I will gladly end the debate here. But out of my own interest in the subject, I am more than happy to get into more technical aspects of the issue if you’re so inclined. Cheers.

Handman said:

Oh crap, he pulled out an industry of people to side with him without listing any sources, that’s all folks.

Lol. Cute, but I ain’t here do homework for people arguing opinions over facts.

Michael Ward said:

Humby said:

Innovation doesn’t always age well,

I did not find it innovative at the time either.

I’ll refer you to my previous post where I say that innovation is under no obligation to satisfy you personally. The proof is in the pudding, and most of those who work in, or in auxiliary to, today’s digital cinema industry (and care enough to know the history of their chosen career field) agree. Not being personally impressed has no bearing on the matter.

I think you’d have much better luck turning the films into short format serials. Each film could be broken down into four or five 20 to 30 minute episodes.

Something like this would really solve a lot of problems in each film. You can basically cut out whatever you want (silliness, over the top action, boring exposition, etc).

If each episode has its own crawl (maybe the first mini-episode of each ‘season’ would have a standard length crawl and the remaining ones would be much shorter), it would really allow you to finesse the timeline and fill in any necessary information without relying on every single scene from the films.

It would really allow for a much more streamlined and customizable experience, without relying on the need to fill in blanks using outside footage.

I plan on cutting the wide shot of her actual “flying”, as well as the close up on her face of her eyes opening.

We will see her floating in space for moment, then her hand opens slightly, and behind her hand the stars will begin to move. Cut to the shot of our heroes aboard the ship looking amazed and then running to the door where her hand appears on the window.

It preserves Leia’s great force moment, but eliminates the awkward execution.

dahmage said:

Humby said:

Frank your Majesty said:

There’s a difference between presenting an innovation and using an unfinished technology in a multimillion dollar project.

Also, if you have to add “for a 16 years old [CGI] model” than it really doesn’t look that good. And TPM looks way better than AOTC.

Are we now excusing any poor decison of Lucas as being brave or innovative?

It seems to me that your distaste for the movies are keeping you beholden to the idea that innovation is only valid if it breeds perfection. But at the end of the day, that is not how innovation works, nor has it ever.

Perfection? Doesn’t have to be perfection, we would settle for Good.

:p

Fair enough lol, and I get it, I am by no means a fan of the prequels. But in everything from science, to technology, to even art, innovation is under no obligation to satisfy personal tastes. Similarly, inspiration and influence don’t have a prerequisite of artistic approval.

Frank your Majesty said:

There’s a difference between presenting an innovation and using an unfinished technology in a multimillion dollar project.

Also, if you have to add “for a 16 years old [CGI] model” than it really doesn’t look that good. And TPM looks way better than AOTC.

Are we now excusing any poor decison of Lucas as being brave or innovative?

It seems to me that your distaste for the movies are keeping you beholden to the idea that innovation is only valid if it breeds perfection. But at the end of the day, that is not how innovation works, nor has it ever.

Michael Ward said:

Collipso said:

You can’t deny he was technologically innovative though, since most movies today are shot in digital cameras and Lucas was the one that started the trend.

I don’t find it innovative. The technology already existed and was being used on smaller films. All he did was use it badly.

Innovation doesn’t always age well, but what GL and Lucasfilm (along with Sony, Panavision, and a host of others) did for digital cinema literally revolutionized the industry. You don’t have to enjoy the prequels, I certainly don’t love them, but whether or not they were innovative isn’t up for debate. It’s a fact.

Michael Ward said:

Frank your Majesty said:

Just like digital photo cameras, digital film cameras are much more convenient. It’s easy to assume that they would have been adapted eventually, if they perform just as well as analog cameras. I don’t deny that Lucas probably recognized the potential and wanted to advance the technology. However, he definitely used it too early. He was more concerned with being comfortable while making the movie than with the final product. The reason more and more directors started to film digitally after Lucas was simply the advancement of the technology itself, not because they liked the look of Episode 2.

I hadn’t thought about Lucas’s comfort. I’ve always felt he was just trying too hard to appear innovative.

Shooting digital back in those early days was hardly easier and comfortable. If anything, it was a bigger pain in the a$$ than shooting on film. The problem is that shooting on film wasn’t practical for the sheer amount of digital post-work needed for episode II.

Man, I’ve edited this post way too many times, but I have one more thing to add…

One of the biggest things that made the prequels so innovative, wasn’t just the use of digital cameras or the amount of CGI or the use of Non-linear editing, etc. It was the COMBINATION of all of these things. Yes, eventually we would have gotten to where we are now. But the sheer amount of advancement in all of these technologies for one film (specifically Ep.2) brought about a good 15 years of advancement in a matter of 3-6 years.

chyron8472 said:

ZigZig said:

Anyway, Star Wars and Harry Potter share the same villain: Snoke aka Voldemort.

What?? o.O

Okay, Voldemort is a narcissistic psychopath. Not the cultural trope usage of the word—a literal DSM5-definition psychopath. He’s not merely evil; he literally can not form emotional attachments with anyone, and he has no conscience whatsoever. Plus, he succeeded in splitting his soul such that he can not be killed. And only a single person, by virtue of being singled out by Voldemort himself, was capable of killing him.

Snoke is a stereotypically mustache-twirling bad guy. He’s just similar in that he’s been CGI’d.

After seeing TFA, I was actually really hoping that they would take some inspiration from the Harry Potter novels/movies for the sequel trilogy. What with Luke tracking down ancient locations and artifacts, and Snoke being some ancient villian to somehow rose back to power. I think the later Harry Potter stories (6-7/8) would have made a great basic outline from which to construct Episodes 8 and 9.

TV’s Frink said:

Was watching for this on my third viewing Friday, and the close up shots look great. The medium shots look much worse, which is weird. It almost looks like it’s a puppet in the former scenes and CGI in the latter scenes.

I think a lot of it has to do with the lighting on the puppet (and his darker green skin tone).

NeverarGreat said:

Yeah, the biggest problem with this film is lack of breathing room.

I call this MBHD - modern blockbuster hyperactive disorder. Movies that don’t give the audience a break to let them digest the non-stop action or emotion that is being thrown at them. It’s honestly my biggest issue with TLJ.

Handman said:

Humby said:

My biggest issue with this whole scene is that, at least in my two viewings, I didn’t notice a single shot fired by the resistance pilots. There certainly appeared to be guns on the skimmers, but no shots were taken. Not at the walkers, not at the ties, nothing. Correct me if I’m wrong, though. I didn’t notice it my first viewing, but after seeing it a second time, this popped into my head right after the scene had ended.

Those things were falling apart. I doubt they worked.

That’s kind of my point though. If the guns didn’t work, what was the reason for going on the offensive? It wasn’t to buy time for the others, because they were just monitoring the battle from inside. Stopping the battering ram was the ONLY reason they went out there, and without guns, a suicide run was basically their only attack. Which IMO makes Poe’s ‘suicide mission’ line contradict the entire reason for being out there, and Rose’s actions even more reckless.

My biggest issue with this whole scene is that, at least in my two viewings, I didn’t notice a single shot fired by the resistance pilots. There certainly appeared to be guns on the skimmers, but no shots were taken. Not at the walkers, not at the ties, nothing. Correct me if I’m wrong, though. I didn’t notice it my first viewing, but after seeing it a second time, this popped into my head right after the scene had ended.

Tobar said:

Humby said:

TV’s Frink said:

I guarantee you ray doesn’t care. I really don’t either. I know everyone says the cartoon gets better as it goes along, and maybe that’s true, but I could barely finish season 1.

It doesn’t get better, it just beats your mind into a numb pulp as it goes along.

Amazing. Every word of what you just said…was wrong.

Touché. I do admit that there are some really good tidbits sprinkled throughout the later seasons, but for me personally, I really had to force myself to “not care” in order to keep watching. That’s not to say it is objectively bad, but it just never felt like Star Wars to me, even when I was younger and much more accepting of the PT era.

To each their own

TV’s Frink said:

I guarantee you ray doesn’t care. I really don’t either. I know everyone says the cartoon gets better as it goes along, and maybe that’s true, but I could barely finish season 1.

It doesn’t get better, it just beats your mind into a numb pulp as it goes along.

Matt.F said:

Hardcore Legend said:
-we now know all the visions have been things that actually happened, including Rey being there when the Knights of Ren and Kylo massacre the rest of the students in the rain and then he turns to attack Rey

Wtf? Rey wasn’t there?! Plus unless Ben Solo had his Kylo mask and black cowl hidden under his pillow then it didn’t happen like we see in Rey’s vision either. You’re taking it way too literally.

Yeah, there is no way the Knights of Ren flashback was related to Ben’s attack on the temple. I could be wrong here, but I believe that scene was actually meant to take place on Jakku, where Kylo and the knights attack a Jakku outpost. The alien that gets slaughtered and his compadres lying dead on the ground closely resemble some characters that were supposed to be like the “Police” of Jakku. Constable Zuvio I believe was the character that they made a big deal about leading up to TFA- he might even be the one that gets stabbed through the chest in the flashback. But I admit it’s been a while since I’ve seen the flashback, so I could definitely be mistaken.

Matt.F said:

Hardcore Legend said:
Which is why I still think that when JJ returns he gives Rey a Skywalker parent.

No, I’d just drop it. You went into TLJ with that baggage and preconceptions, and it didn’t pan out. Rey is ‘Rey Random’. I’d just drop it.

ps. some kids didn’t believe - or didn’t want to believe - Darth Vader when he told Luke that he was his father in ESB too.

While I have no problem with Rey’s parents being nobodies, I do think with JJ coming back there is at least a possibility he could flip it around on us again. Even Rian said the answer to Rey’s parentage will ultimately be up to JJ. In terms of the truth of that revelation, Rian said it was an emotionally honest revelation from Kylo. That is what Kylo saw in his vision and he is being honest with Rey. But consider that Rey also had an emotionally honest revelation- her vision of Kylo turning back to the light, and she was wrong, so perhaps he was too.

Again, I have no strong feelings about it either way, but the next movie will ultimately decide whether to keep her parents as drunk nobodies or mark her place in history as the descendent of (insert any known character here). Nothing is set in stone just yet.

As a technician at a rental/service house, I love seeing all of this stuff. One of my former coworkers recently got a position at Panavision and I hope to eventually follow suit. Man, it’s easy to forget how the F900 basically paved the way for digital cinema, and now they are basically just cable news cameras haha.

I’m also thinking about cutting Canto Bight altogether. The group realize they need to sneak aboard Snoke’s ship and then jump to the First Order officer noticing the ‘blip’ on the screen. Cut out Benicio Del Toro. Rose and Fin find the tracker and are caught. Next thing we know they’re about to be executed. If possible, I’m going to cut Phasma, but if I can’t do it, I’ll live. The following BB-8 antics are definitely being cut though. The whole mission will be a quick aside towards the end of the 2nd act.

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

Collipso said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I just realized that the (non-) reveal of Rey’s parents begs for more edits to TFA. The one that sticks out to me is Rey and BB-8’s exchange:

“Classified? Me too, big secret.”

Yeah, that line is insulting now. I’m sure other “hints” need to be cut back now too, I’d have to rewatch TFA again though.

I think maybe cut when Han is about to tell Maz who’s the girl and the movie abruptly cuts “not to reveal the mystery”.

This might be a good idea. It probably was the most obvious nod to her being someone special in the Force Awakens.

Personally, I’m going to wait to see what happens with Episode 9. Abrams clearly had something in mind for Rey’s lineage, and now that he’s coming back, he might throw a curve ball and follow through with it. After all, as far as we know, Kylo Ren didn’t necessarily see Rey’s actual parents. Rey saw what she wanted, which was Kylo turning back to the light. Kylo saw what he wanted, which was a [potentially false] piece of information which he could use to convince Rey to join him.

Before we learn exactly how this story ends, I’m going to leave all allusions to her parentage in. That’s just my 2 cents though.

Just built a new PC, and I look forward to TLJ being my first fan edit on it.

Also, I just realized this morning that because TLJ picks up right after TFA, I might try to get really creative and do a double fan edit of both, moving things from one film to the next and such. Hopefully we get a lot of extra footage on the TLJ blu-ray (and I wouldn’t mind seeing another TFA release with more deleted scenes). Fingers crossed!

Mavimao said:

Just got back from a showing.

Everything I expected was wrong. There’s a crapton to process.

A great film but definitely one that makes you go…huh. Ok. Wow. Gee. What??

I think that’s what excites me most. I want this to break both conventions and expectations. I’m not going in expecting to love every bit of it, but just looking forward to dissecting it and discussing it with friends. And based on the reviews I’ve read, it seems like it won’t disappoint on that front. That being said, I hope it both retains the feeling of Star Wars and at the same breaks new ground and allows Star Wars to actually feel fresh and unexpected.