I guarantee you ray doesn’t care. I really don’t either. I know everyone says the cartoon gets better as it goes along, and maybe that’s true, but I could barely finish season 1.
It doesn’t get better, it just beats your mind into a numb pulp as it goes along.
Hardcore Legend said:
-we now know all the visions have been things that actually happened, including Rey being there when the Knights of Ren and Kylo massacre the rest of the students in the rain and then he turns to attack ReyWtf? Rey wasn’t there?! Plus unless Ben Solo had his Kylo mask and black cowl hidden under his pillow then it didn’t happen like we see in Rey’s vision either. You’re taking it way too literally.
Yeah, there is no way the Knights of Ren flashback was related to Ben’s attack on the temple. I could be wrong here, but I believe that scene was actually meant to take place on Jakku, where Kylo and the knights attack a Jakku outpost. The alien that gets slaughtered and his compadres lying dead on the ground closely resemble some characters that were supposed to be like the “Police” of Jakku. Constable Zuvio I believe was the character that they made a big deal about leading up to TFA- he might even be the one that gets stabbed through the chest in the flashback. But I admit it’s been a while since I’ve seen the flashback, so I could definitely be mistaken.
Hardcore Legend said:
Which is why I still think that when JJ returns he gives Rey a Skywalker parent.No, I’d just drop it. You went into TLJ with that baggage and preconceptions, and it didn’t pan out. Rey is ‘Rey Random’. I’d just drop it.
ps. some kids didn’t believe - or didn’t want to believe - Darth Vader when he told Luke that he was his father in ESB too.
While I have no problem with Rey’s parents being nobodies, I do think with JJ coming back there is at least a possibility he could flip it around on us again. Even Rian said the answer to Rey’s parentage will ultimately be up to JJ. In terms of the truth of that revelation, Rian said it was an emotionally honest revelation from Kylo. That is what Kylo saw in his vision and he is being honest with Rey. But consider that Rey also had an emotionally honest revelation- her vision of Kylo turning back to the light, and she was wrong, so perhaps he was too.
Again, I have no strong feelings about it either way, but the next movie will ultimately decide whether to keep her parents as drunk nobodies or mark her place in history as the descendent of (insert any known character here). Nothing is set in stone just yet.
As a technician at a rental/service house, I love seeing all of this stuff. One of my former coworkers recently got a position at Panavision and I hope to eventually follow suit. Man, it’s easy to forget how the F900 basically paved the way for digital cinema, and now they are basically just cable news cameras haha.
I’m also thinking about cutting Canto Bight altogether. The group realize they need to sneak aboard Snoke’s ship and then jump to the First Order officer noticing the ‘blip’ on the screen. Cut out Benicio Del Toro. Rose and Fin find the tracker and are caught. Next thing we know they’re about to be executed. If possible, I’m going to cut Phasma, but if I can’t do it, I’ll live. The following BB-8 antics are definitely being cut though. The whole mission will be a quick aside towards the end of the 2nd act.
I just realized that the (non-) reveal of Rey’s parents begs for more edits to TFA. The one that sticks out to me is Rey and BB-8’s exchange:
“Classified? Me too, big secret.”
Yeah, that line is insulting now. I’m sure other “hints” need to be cut back now too, I’d have to rewatch TFA again though.
I think maybe cut when Han is about to tell Maz who’s the girl and the movie abruptly cuts “not to reveal the mystery”.
This might be a good idea. It probably was the most obvious nod to her being someone special in the Force Awakens.
Personally, I’m going to wait to see what happens with Episode 9. Abrams clearly had something in mind for Rey’s lineage, and now that he’s coming back, he might throw a curve ball and follow through with it. After all, as far as we know, Kylo Ren didn’t necessarily see Rey’s actual parents. Rey saw what she wanted, which was Kylo turning back to the light. Kylo saw what he wanted, which was a [potentially false] piece of information which he could use to convince Rey to join him.
Before we learn exactly how this story ends, I’m going to leave all allusions to her parentage in. That’s just my 2 cents though.
Just built a new PC, and I look forward to TLJ being my first fan edit on it.
Also, I just realized this morning that because TLJ picks up right after TFA, I might try to get really creative and do a double fan edit of both, moving things from one film to the next and such. Hopefully we get a lot of extra footage on the TLJ blu-ray (and I wouldn’t mind seeing another TFA release with more deleted scenes). Fingers crossed!
Just got back from a showing.
Everything I expected was wrong. There’s a crapton to process.
A great film but definitely one that makes you go…huh. Ok. Wow. Gee. What??
I think that’s what excites me most. I want this to break both conventions and expectations. I’m not going in expecting to love every bit of it, but just looking forward to dissecting it and discussing it with friends. And based on the reviews I’ve read, it seems like it won’t disappoint on that front. That being said, I hope it both retains the feeling of Star Wars and at the same breaks new ground and allows Star Wars to actually feel fresh and unexpected.
The Starkiller plan scene is easily the worst in the film, but even then it’s still fun in a “don’t take this too seriously” kind of way.
What do you mean?
Random Dude: A weapon of this size must have some kind of thermal oscillator
Janitor: It does. (instantly points to a specific place in a complex holographic model) right here!
Oh, right.
Am I the only one who assumed that Finn working sanitation meant that he was stationed in the “sanitation unit” as patrol/guard, not an actual janitor? And considering these guys are raised from birth, they are probably educated to some degree in engineering.
Luke having a secret long lost sister was an idea that had been around since one of the pre-ANH drafts. I remember reading somewhere that Lucas had always intended to work that into one of his future movies, but by the time ROTJ came around and he had grown tired of the franchise, he chose to wrap everything up by making Leia the long lost sister, rather than introducing a new character.
Sometimes that PORG, he looks right into ya. Right into your eyes. Y’know the thing about a PORG, he’s got… lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll’s eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn’t seem to be livin’… until he bites ya. And those black eyes roll over white, and then… oh, then you hear that terrible high-pitch screamin’, the ocean turns red, and spite of all the poundin’ and the hollerin’, they all come in and they… rip you to pieces.
I’m glad to see you’ve replaced the opening crawl with a “Rogue One” style title reveal. And good choice using the same outlined font! I just watched the Wampa scene and you made the right choice going with a CGI Wampa instead. I’m impressed as always Adywan. Can’t wait get another hour into this edit and see if I can spot the Gungans you added to Cloud City!
http://www.slashfilm.com/carrie-fisher-in-the-last-jedi-send-off/
I think he just means that her presence is really at the heart of the film, and that this movie sends her, as an actress, out on a heartfelt high note.
I don’t think any of his statements are meant to be indicative of whether or not the character makes it out of this movie alive and/or appears in episode 9.
Just my 2 cents though
First, I simply don’t see what the movie adds to the mythos. We already knew that the Death Star has a weakness, and that someone stole the plans and delivered them to Leia. Why does it really matter who made the Death Star or who stole the plans?
The Death Star’s weakness never made sense, and what they came up with to fix that was pretty darn good.
To add to your point, I think a lot of people project their preconceptions of ANH onto RO by assuming that the exhaust port was the built in weakness. But according to Galen, the weakness was actually the chain reaction of a downed reactor.
So in a way, Rogue One actually makes the Death Star’s achilles heal more believable. The Empire may have known they had a relatively unprotected exhaust port that might down a reactor, they just didn’t know that attacking it would lead to the resulting chain reaction.
Anyone else think it’s about time that we replace the pinned “Episode VII spoilers thread” with this one?
Fuck spin-offs, characters should always explain everything at all times, whether the roof’s falling in or not!
Want good writing? Look at the prequels. Extraneous exposition is the name of the game JJ. You’ll never be a George Lucas if you keep some things mysterious and open to interpretation/speculation
But there’s a difference between leaving things open to interpretation and bad writing for the sake of convenience. I’m not saying we need Maz to tell us exactly how the lightsaber made it from Bespin to her basement. But we do need to be told WHY it ended up there. What meaning does it hold for the story and why is it important to this new trilogy, other than nostalgia and unnecessary mystery?
The same thing applies to the other things I mentioned. Rey’s history for example. We don’t need to be told exactly who her parents are and the exact course of events that led to her being left on Jakku. But we do need to know why her past is important to the overarching story. Was she a slave/orphan for sake of creating a parallel, or does her history actually have relevance to the story.
So to be more clear, we don’t need explanations of all of this stuff, we need relevance. The things in the OT that are left open to interpretation still hold meaning and relevance to the story. In TFA, there are many instances where they don’t. And my personal hope is that TLJ is able to give relevance to the convieniences of the TFA.
There’s no reason that can’t all be resolved in IX.
Certainly valid, and the question of Rey’s past is one mystery that probably won’t be fully realized until IX. But saving all of it for IX might make that film a little too dense considering it also has to wrap up all the events of the trilogy as well. But certain things like the lightsaber and Maz’s involvement feel like they could lose relevance to the overall story if they aren’t addressed soon, which would turn the conveniences of one film into conveniences of the trilogy. Just my opinion though.
…it’s supposed to be confusing and defy interpretation - not through subtlety or inter-textual clues, but through withholding of essential plot information. And that irritates me.
QFT
Don’t get me wrong, I really do enjoy TFA, but this is my biggest issue with it (aside from perhaps Death Star 3) but it doesn’t ruin my enjoyment of the film as a part of the larger story. As its own film however, it takes me out of the narrative. But it’s fairly obvious that this movie was never intended to be its own film. It was always intended to be a nostalgia driven segue, so they could buy time to figure out the details and get to the meat of the story later on.
Now the reason I think this is relevant in an Ep.8 thread is because all of this now falls on the shoulders of Rian Johnson. TLJ, in my opinion, really needs to establish a legitimate backdrop for the conveniences of TFA. Luke’s saber, Rey’s history and possible connection to prior events, and Maz’s relevance to all of these events needs to be addressed. And while I don’t think they need to be spelled out for us in detail, they do need to be given thematic and logical relevance.
Now I have complete faith in Rian Johnson to make a great film, and a great Star Wars film at that, but I really hope that he can also make the events of TFA hold more weight after viewing TLJ.
How about just saying that the information was not available?
He basically did. And on top of that he told you when said information WOULD be available. And although there was obviously a bit of sarcasm in his response, it was quite civil.
“Move along, move along…”
It’s been five years and still nothing. They’re too busy catering to the lightsaber-waving crowd by producing mediocre crap.
Oh, there’s no doubt.
If people were to stop buying Star Wars merch tomorrow, Lucasfilm would immediately look for other ways of making money and you-know-what would be right at the top of the list.
Disney doesn’t acquire distribution rights of 1-6 until May of 2020 (and Fox will ALWAYS own 4, unless Disney can strike a deal with them). Even if they were planning on releasing the OOT, they would stay mum until late 2019 at the absolute earliest.
I have a feeling that after Episode 9 comes out, we will start to hear some rumblings, and by 2020 Disney will push marketing for an ultimate box set. If there was ever a time to release the OOT, it would be with a box set, forcing everyone who wants it to dish out $$$ and double down on any of the films they already own.
Frankly, I’m already assuming that they will instead give us yet another updated special edition, but we can pray to Vader that they show some damn respect and include the OOT as a bonus.
I think there are two reasons the designs can come across generic in the prequels.
The first being because there is so much of it thrown around on screen. Each design might look great on paper, but when there is so much happening in each frame it just becomes an orgy of visuals (which are often very similar) competing for your attention.
I think the second reason is the fact that these were the first films that really relied this heavily on CGI, and as great as it was for its time, it has a tendency to come across as very flat- especially in those ground based scenes with CGI backgrounds and landscapes, where things tend to blend together and nothing pops (Coruscant and Geonosis scenes come to mind). The color grading also plays a part in this. Although the space scenes tend to fare a little bit better in regards to this.
That being said, I do think there are at least a handful of designs which could be described as generic at best.
Some examples (in my opinion)…
Generic- Most of the Droid Army
Bad- RotS Jedi Starfighter
Destinctly not Star Warsy- Grevious
I feel like the severe lack of extras is because they will release a “deluxe” version of it probably around November, just before the holiday season kicks off, with more content and an E.VIII preview. It’s all about the long game when it comes to franchises with large fandoms. Please the general audience with a normal release, and then keep the fanboys coming back for more. After all, it is Di$ney we’re talking about here. Personally I’m gonna try and hold off until they announce a juicier release.
This does not make any sense. If you abandon the conceptual ideals of the Jedi then you are not Jedi any more.
That’s the point though. Once Luke abandons them, the Jedi no longer exist. He was the Last Jedi.
Edit: After rereading my original post, I think the confusion might be near the end where I said he “truly is the last Jedi”, where perhaps I should’ve said he “was” rather than “is”.
I think ‘The Last Jedi’ refers to Luke abandoning the conceptual ideals of the Jedi, which is what led to their downfall in the first place (and possibly what led to his failure with Ben and the loss of his students).
Luke will be the Last Jedi because he abandons those ideals when he trains Rey. Rey’s training will embrace both the dark and the light, but only in an attempt to do what is right and just. We saw him sort of embrace that in ROTJ, and maybe that scared him, but after losing all of his students and reexamineing the ideals of past Jedi, he realizes that suppressing the dark side isn’t the best way to go. So he teaches Rey to embrace love, and to accept possesion and attachment as a natural part of life and the force.
So he, in the end, truly is the last Jedi. That would be a good way to both acknowledge the prequels, but also distance itself from them.
But I do think he will at least make it to Episode IX
nightmare scenario: Alden Ehrenreich has the CGI face of young Harrison Ford.
I think it’s safe to assume that even after the general audience’s praise of CGI Tarkin and Leia, Disney still wouldn’t pump money into doing young Han this way. And as the main character, it would also be a little insulting to Ehrenreich, who was sold to us as the new “face” of young Han.
That’s one of my issues with Rogue One doing these classic character recreations. If they’re recasting a young Han for this movie, why not just recast Tarkin and Leia. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed the visual callback, but it seems to take away from the acclaim that Guy Henry, in particular, deserves. It also sets up the expectation that if we ever see young Leia again, she has to look like Carrie Fischer.
But it’s a moot point, and this is just my opinion, so I digress.
But the inclusion of Woody Harrelson has me so damn excited for this movie. And I’ve been against a young Han movie from almost the beginning. But this… changes things.
