Humby

idir_hh said:

In the early leaks she said that she sensed the birth of her son and so she wanted to give up the jedi path because of that (which follows logically) and goes hand in hand with the EU. In this version its pretty contrived and convoluted since Ben does die and even worse he was a student of the darkside, so her leaving the jedi path because of sensing his death is self defeating and just doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Fair enough. To me it says that force premonitions are, in a way, unavoidable outcomes. Anakin tried to gain more power to overcome his premonitions, where as Leia gave up her power to try and avoid hers. Both resulted in the inevitable outcomes, but Leia’s more selfless path allowed her to die in peace and save her sons soul.

idir_hh said:

"Leia told me that she sensed the death of her son at the end of her Jedi path, she surrendered her saber to me and said that one day, it will be picked up again by someone who will finish her journey "

JJ
This. Makes. No. Sense.

Eh, I don’t mind it all that much. Obviously we don’t necessarily know what Leia’s ultimate journey could have been, but at least somebody did end up picking up her saber again to defeat the dark side. Mainly, I just appreciate that the theme of this little expository blip counters Anakin’s mindset in Ep3.

NeverarGreat said:

NotFreeman’D said:

If its not too big of an annoyance could i get a link to the workprint? Thank you in advance!

PM Sent!

Would love a link as well, when you can get around to it. Really enjoy all of the work you’ve done on this so far! It is inspiring me to start a FA/ST edit myself.

Disney sabotaging their own film is blatantly BS. That being said, I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch to at least consider that the WB/Bad Robot deal may have been a catalyst for Bob Iger exerting some creative power over this film.

Cue speculative alternate narrative…
JJ signed on under the condition of almost full creative control, Bob reluctantly agrees knowing that JJ might be a good asset to have in his pocketbook. WB deal happens and now JJ won’t be working with Disney again anytime soon, so Bob likely felt he could reverse course and put out the movie he (and whoever other non-creative executive types) thought would be most profitable.

I’m not saying it’s probable, but it’s way more likely than the vindictive sabotage portrayed in the leak. If there is any truth to the leaks, this could be a classic case of telephone.

ChainsawAsh said:

I’d say that contradicts more than just the prequels.

Han’s appearance is entirely metaphor for Ben’s emotional journey in that moment. It’s him finally processing what he’s done. Han isn’t literally standing there and shouldn’t be portrayed as such.

My first impression of that whole sequence was that it simply was just Ben’s memory of Han, all happening inside his head, but represented in person for us “outside” viewers.

But… If it’s possible to eliminate Rey stabbing and healing Kylo, then the sequence can be tightened up to: Leia lays down to contact Ben, As Kylo he gets distracted by Leia’s call for just a moment allowing Rey to run away. Shortly after, cut back to full scene of Ben on the ledge with Han. Immediately follow that up with Leia fading away.

In the film, this sequence is broken up by a few other sequences which takes away from the clarity of what is happening and why. By tightening it up (of which there may be many hurdles to doing cleanly) it would give that moment more weight by emphasizing that Leia used the rest of her life force to grant Ben this moment with his father. It also gives Leia a parallel moment to what Luke had in TLJ, dying by overexertion of using the force to perform an extremely powerful act.

I’ve seen TROS twice, but I had this idea after seeing it the second time, so I can’t recall whether any other sequencing or necessary dialogue cues would prevent this.

timdiggerm said:

I am really looking forward to any behind-the-scenes they do on the effects work on this. I’ve heard Kuiil referenced as being motion-captured, but that sure looks like a physical costume. And the Yadpole is so, so likelike. It’s amazing.

I believe I read that Kuiil was portrayed on set by a small woman wearing an animatronic mask which was controlled via facial motion capture on Nick Nolte. Just going off some random article though, no solid proof on that.

ATMachine said:

I suspect the wardrobe given to Carrie Fisher didn’t help. The way that dark dress billowed around her made for a disturbing resemblance to Mary Poppins.

Still not sure why JJ put her in a dress at the end of TFA instead of leaving her in the more tactical wardrobe from earlier in the film. She’s the leader of a military faction, not a dignitary. And then considering TLJ is meant to pick up immediately afterwards, why is she again in a new get-up?

This is the stuff that keeps me up at night. Not those common complaints like Leia Poppins and Mary Sue and Giant Space Walrus Milking lol.

Creox said:

Humby said:

DominicCobb said:

Hal 9000 said:

So Han and Lando only knew each other for a relatively short time across two or so adventures?

Says who?

Yeah, I think the ending does a good enough job implying that these two continue to have a friendly rivalry throughout the years following.

That being said, I’d say it was a big mistake to pack everything we’ve heard about Han Solo’s past into one movie.

-Kid from Correlia
-Joins the empire & abandons it
-Meets Chewbacca and partners up
-Meets Lando
-Makes the Kessel Run
-Loves, loses her, becomes cold
-Becomes a “shoot first” kinda guy
-Wins the falcon

Yeesh. It blows my mind that Kasdan wrote this.

Kasdan may have rightly understood this was probably the one kick at the can he or others would have in telling Han’s story. I guess he wanted to get all the pertinent parts included.

Yeah, and I don’t blame him alone for it. This movie had everything going against it. No one wanted it, Han was being recast, the director(s) debacle, etc. And given all that, I actually think it’s a decent movie despite most of my criticism. It’s just wayyyyy too on the nose.

canofhumdingers said:

And, while perhaps little solace, it is worth noting that the events in the film do in fact span several years’ time.

Little solace indeed lol. For me it’s just the fact that it’s all crammed into one movie. Like I said, I actually think it’s a decent flick, but at the end of the day it’s like a (insert favorite band here) greatest hits album played by a coverband.

DominicCobb said:

Hal 9000 said:

So Han and Lando only knew each other for a relatively short time across two or so adventures?

Says who?

Yeah, I think the ending does a good enough job implying that these two continue to have a friendly rivalry throughout the years following.

That being said, I’d say it was a big mistake to pack everything we’ve heard about Han Solo’s past into one movie.

-Kid from Correlia
-Joins the empire & abandons it
-Meets Chewbacca and partners up
-Meets Lando
-Makes the Kessel Run
-Loves, loses her, becomes cold
-Becomes a “shoot first” kinda guy
-Wins the falcon

Yeesh. It blows my mind that Kasdan wrote this.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Really? The Mandalorian looks so uninteresting.

We really don’t have much to base anything on at this point aside from a Boba Fett style character in a Star Wars setting, and some leaked (and likely unfinished) celebration footage which at least shows a decent atmosphere of the show… I guess. I wasn’t horribly impressed by it to be honest, but I’m more concerned that the characters and story be well written and compelling. At least in those regards, I think I trust Favreau and Filoni to deliver something worthwhile.

NeverarGreat said:

No worries, I appreciate your constructive criticism 😃

The un-dreamlike nature of the shots is the biggest problem for sure, but the length of the ending is actually shortened from the original, which was almost exactly 6 minutes from the shot of Chewie grieving to the end credits. My version right now clocks in at 4:45.

BTW, the entire edit sans credits is 2 hours and 13 seconds on the timeline, cutting 7 minutes from the original.

JEDIT: Updated the map reveal sequence slightly. Rey should probably be erased from the first shot of that scene since she’s supposed to be asleep and in the new costume, but that’s in the realm of the possible.

https://vimeo.com/334596045

Password: fanedit

I absolutely love this in concept, and I think you executed it incredibly well, nitpicks aside. I think initiating a more clearly defined dream quality to that sequence, and possibly a way to show her waking up, and this would be perfect.

The best part of this, in my opinion, is that the cloudy/foggy weather now fits perfectly as a slightly erie dream sequence, and doesn’t create the minor continuity error that exists between TFA and TLJ’s sunny shoot on Skellig Michael.

Double post, my bad.

ThiefCobbler4ever said:

This is what I want to see in an ultimate set (tell me what you think):
https://disneyfanon.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars%3A_The_Complete_Saga_Ultimate_Edition

It’s a great wish list, but it’s also a pipe dream. The good news is I collect pipes, so it will be a welcome addition to my collection of it ever happens.

I was really disappointed in this film after walking out of the theater. But I gave it another watch on Netflix the other night, and I found myself really enjoying most of it.

I’ll definitely be checking this out before attempting an edit of my own.

I like the list of cuts, particularly the smaller ones I agree with most. I’ll definitely be making a lot of similar cuts if I ever get around to it. As well as a few other extraneously over the top or tongue in cheek moments.

I personally enjoy the backstory opening, but I admit it wasn’t handled all that gracefully so I’ll be interested in seeing how it feels without it.

And there was a good character there deep down with L3, they just went way too far with it, so definitely agree with trimming her time down a bit. Additionally (and I think I’m in the minority when I say) I just didn’t buy Donald Glover as Lando, so I plan on trimming some of his non-essential screentime. He just has too many cheesy moments that draw unnecessary attention to his swag and I think a less is more approach would help make him feel more in line with Billy D.

Congrats on the first full edit. I have yet to finish a single edit ever, some of them started years ago haha

I always felt as though the Leia scene was a nice Easter egg, but a little too in your face- plotwise.

The battle over Scariff should’ve been (in addition to destroying the shield) a distraction. While the battle keeps the Empire distracted, Leia’s ship is sitting further out in system waiting for the transmission. Nobody realizes they were there until Vader storms the last ship, and the Empire realizes they got duped. Wouldn’t even need the cameo, just a shot of Leia’s ship off in the distance jumping to light speed. Hmm, getting some desire to start a fan edit of this movie.

Anyways, I think there’s some really good potential to get a near perfect deepfake if you can find enough decent source photos. Even the one that was mentioned earlier I would call a passable attempt. It’s a pretty straight forward shot which always makes things easier.

EDIT: Just read through some earlier posts and realized NeverarGreat had the same idea. Glad to see I’m not the only one who thinks the plans should’ve actually been transmitted to her ship.

NeverarGreat said:

Mocata said:

To fix it would be easy, just delete those scenes. No cringe and better continuity.

It would be cool if some fanedit showed the Rebel soldiers frantically transmitting the plans to the Tantive IV, floating somewhere at the edge of the Scarif system. It would still use the Leia CG, but would make for much better continuity.

arosa1091 said:

Don’t get all the hate for Ivan. All Youtubers use Patreon. I understand why some might consider it an ethical issue,but its out of our control. Drop it and get over it. He’s gonna be remembered as one of the greatest fan editors because of what he’s doing to TLJ.

I don’t even think it’s the ethical issues that bother most people, but rather the implications it may have on the fanfilm/fanedit community as a whole.

Lucasfilm has been pretty relaxed with the fact that Star Wars fans are out there and distribiting their copyrighted material. And this site in particular has been very careful to play safe, by not linking directly to downloads, keeping online materials password protected and out of sight of the general public, and recommending that users legally purchase/own the source material, etc. Not many big franchises would allow the type of thing we do here to grow to this level. This was a big concern during the Disney acquisition. Many were worried that Disney would pull the plug on Lucasfilm’s history of leniency with communities like this.

Advertising his project the way he has, and asking for an income stream not just to fund the project but to make a living (even if it is just temporary) is exactly the kind of thing that could push Disney to police for these projects much more heavily and shut them down, putting the entire community at risk.

SleepyBear said:

Cut L3-37 out completely since she’s simply there to make Lando look like a panasexual character, which he isn’t.

One could achieve the same effect by simply cutting about three or four of her lines. That being said, nothing she said actually gave any credence to the pansexual Lando story. Most of that stuff said far more about L3 than it did Lando.

I found the constant barrage of equal rights jokes to be far more distracting. The first quip was quite funny, but by the end of the Kessel sequence it was just a chore. And even that can be fixed by removing just a few lines.

Hardcore Legend said:

If I don’t get the Solo sequel to finish where they were going with Maul/Dawn and Lando/Han…

I’d rather they carry the Maul storyline into another movie rather than a sequel to Solo.

As much as I actually enjoyed Erenreich as Han, I’m ready to move on. He can pop up for a few scenes in other stories, or even the Boba Fett movie if it ends up happening, but he doesn’t need a sequel. And I seem to be one of the very few people who thought Donald Glover’s Lando was the worst part of the movie, so I hope we don’t see him again at all.

darthrush said:

Depheros said:

darthrush said:

Depheros said:

I like it, good job. I definitely think the shot of the AT-AT firing should be flipped horizontally, I think that would greatly improve the scene.

I think that if you flip the shot then it won’t make sense. It is meant to look like Finn’s right speeder wing gets hit so you would expect an AT AT to be shooting from that angle.

Watching it again I see what you mean. I was thinking that it would better match the direction Finn looks, and the angle the scene is shot at in general. Works either way though.

That is a good point in regards to the angle that the whole scene is shot in. The only issue is you see the shuttle for Kylo right next to the AT-AT and if you flip the shot then his shuttle is in the wrong place. I will try cropping it out and then if that works, I think I will implement your suggestion for the sake of visual flow 😃

I think it’s the shot of the targeting computer that’s throwing it off. Because the screen shows the speeder from behind, but the AT-AT fires from the front. If the targeting computers screen mimicked the viewpoint of the AT-AT, it would make the transition between the different angles much smoother, and easier to quickly orient yourself. But without making new animations for the screen, this is somewhat unavoidable.

Overall though, this is really working for me. Great work!

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

ray_afraid said:

DominicCobb said:

I don’t understand why it’s so hard to believe that maybe if they drastically retooled a movie after it was almost finished that maybe that movie wasn’t turning out to be very good. Occam’s Razor and all that.

It’s not that I find it hard to believe, I just wish they’d be more transparent about how things went down. With there seeming to be a gag order on the subject, I don’t fully trust anything that makes it past the guard so to speak.

I wish that they were more open about the process too, but it seems like LFL (or maybe Disney) is trying to make it seem like these are trouble-less productions.

What makes Gilroy seem credible is the fact that it sounds like he’s telling tales out of school (he holds back only when it comes to directly stating things it sounds like legally can’t be said), and what he’s saying doesn’t really reflect well on the studio.

It does reflect well on himself, and a common criticism of Rogue One (whether you agree with the criticism or not) is that it was heavily reshot and the implication is that it was reshot for the worse. Cynically, it would make sense for him to say something like this. I’m not calling him a liar, I just don’t feel comfortable with taking it for granted that Edwards’s version was bad just because the man who was hired to reshoot it says so.

To be fair, we don’t know what the issues were. For all we know, Edwards’ vision may have been great, but Disney had demands for the final act which Edwards couldn’t easily reconcile with his own vision of the original script. And that may be the ‘trouble’ Gilroy was talking about.

At the end of the day, I don’t think we should take Gilroys comments as a knock towards Edwards or his original version. They certainly could be, but could just as easily be knocks at the producers/Disney, or just the production as a whole.

CarboniteSolo said:

What I’m curious to find out is there’s supposed to be 2 more sequels to this, I’m taking Lucasfilm and Kathleen Kennedy are waiting to see how this film goes at the box office, or it’s just a rumor floating around. Otherwise, if there is no sequels, we should see Han losing Jabba’s precious cargo at the end. I wonder how Fett fits in with all this, or if it’s basically a very small cameo, like Jabba. I’m also wondering if there’s any other Easter eggs like other bounty hunters, or if we’ll see Lobot, or things like that. Probably not, but can’t wait to see this. I wonder how many deleted scenes there’ll be as well, especially since they changed directors, I wonder how much we’ll see.

Personally, I hope we don’t see Fett or Jabba in the movie. If sequels do happen, they can (re)introduce those guys, but this movie is already gonna jam packed with fan service. At least IMO

Also, I think the rumors of a trilogy are just rumors. The actors did sign 3-picture deals from what I’ve read, but it’s likely just a precaution to lock them down just in case the film does amazing and Disney wants more. But at the very least, this movie was likely written as a one-off, as it’s supposed to be Lawrence Kasdan’s swan song to Han Solo.

Humby said:

DominicCobb said:

Help me understand this.

He has. Am I missing something?

Apparently yes I was. But alas, all is right in the world again.

DominicCobb said:

Help me understand this.

He has. Am I missing something?

joefavs said:

I’m just frustrated with the way that you can’t carry on a conversation about the movie for more than a couple posts without circling back to whether the movie was good or bad. Surely everyone is on the record at this point. Are we ever going to get to the point where we can just talk about the stuff that happened in the movie without having to reevaluate why we liked or didn’t like it for the umpteenth time?

I agree, but to be fair, technically this is the review thread, so people posting their reviews (regardless of how long it’s been since the movie came out) is inevitable. The unfortunate side effect is that it often tends to reboot the conversation back to page one.

lovelikewinter said:

Why do people give a crap about Snoke? I’m much more interested in Kylo Ren actually killing his master and becoming Supreme Leader.

I don’t necessarily disagree, but being so invested in Kylo Ren, I want to know more about the Snoke/Kylo backstory. And now that Snoke is dead, I think we’re less likely to get that. Who Snoke is and where he comes from is useless information to me and irrelevant to the series as a whole. But understanding how Ben was seduced to the dark side by him is an essential plot point that needs more exploration, at least for me. Knowing that is essential, (again) for me personally, to coming to terms with Luke’s drastic change in character from 6 to 7/8.