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#1388577
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<strong>Return Of The Jedi</strong> - a general <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> thread
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Damn the DGA for not letting Spielberg direct ROTJ, damn them all to hell!

But no, seriously I still adore ROTJ for what it is, when I was a kid it was my favorite of the OT and I re-watched it atleast twice a month. As I’ve gotten older it’s flaws have stuck out more and more, the second act in particular. I’ve said this on another thread here but ROTJ really has some of the highest highs and lowest lows of the OT. I think Spielberg would’ve done an overall better job with the set pieces, actors, and even camerawork, but it’s still a fine movie, and a nice conclusion to the OT.

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#1388558
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Star Wars Prequels Deleted Scenes
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I think part of the problem is the early digital cameras that were used to film AOTC, they can’t really be “upscaled” past 2K and definitely have some issues with detail on faces, CG characters, and bluescreen backgrounds. Not really much any of us, or anyone for that matter, can do about it though. Either way this is still some fantastic work and I can’t wait to see more!

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#1387269
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What were your &quot;I called it&quot; moments?
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Knight of Kalee said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

What PT soundtracks were in TRoS?

Barely any.

  • There’s a sample of Yoda facing Palpatine in ROTS when Rey is training with the remote.
  • “Return to Tatooine” from AOTC plays when Poe and Zorii talk.
  • The theme for Palpatine’s instructions to Anakin makes a comeback when the Emperor prompts Rey to kill him.

Talk of Podracing was also used when Finn and Jannah spoke about rebelling from the First Order.

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#1385590
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I don't think Revenge Of The Sith is as good as everyone says it is.
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RotS is a mess. Lucas lost the plot while making Episode II so he had to shove all of the OT set up into this film while also book-ending all of the random stuff he set up in Episodes I and II. Anakin’s turn felt rushed, a huge plothole involving Padme and Leia was created, Palpatine looks like a fat monster and not the same character from RotJ, Obi Wan is a boring character with no arc/growth for the third film in a row, Yoda acts like an idiot, Grevious is another generic Boba Fett/Captain Phasma/Knights of Ren bad guy who dies after 1 fight, and all of the “memes” from this film that have been around since 2016 are now insufferable to a point where I get taken out of the film when I hear them. Overall though the film is an improvement from AotC, but still pales in comparison to TPM.

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#1384802
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Richard Marquand's effect on Return of the Jedi
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imperialscum said:

Hoop28 said:

So obviously Lucas had a much bigger presence during the making of Jedi than he did Empire, he was practically a Co-Director, but did Marquand leave any mark of his own on the film? I haven’t seen his other work so I can’t say, and I don’t know if Lucas has attempted to erase any sort of legacy Marquand had like he did so many others on the OT.

I think Marquand had pretty much the same role in ROTJ as Kershner had in ESB. In both cases Lucas led the creative part (story, characters, screenplay, world-building, etc.), while Kershner and Marquand led the implementation and contributed in various ways to the creative part. If you look at it like that, then Lucas was “practically a co-director” in both cases.

Like it was pointed out, Marquand had some important contributions to the creative part, besides directing the implementation. Like Kershner, I think he was a valuable part of the trilogy.

Well from what I heard, Lucas was annoyed with alot of the changes and alterations that Kershner made while directing Empire, so for Jedi he was on set way more than he was during Empire and reshot quite a few scenes, apparently the whole reason Jedi was filmed in the United States was so Lucas could be on set daily.

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#1384177
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Richard Marquand's effect on Return of the Jedi
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Darth Dougal said:

Marquand had plenty of input. Check out J.W. Rinzler’s book on the making of the film.

Perhaps the most important decisions he made were to cast Ian McDiarmid as Palpatine and to bring back Yoda. He also had his choice of Director of Photography and editor - hopefully the different look and pacing of ROTJ compared to the previous two films is apparent.

One of the highlights of Rinzler’s book is a transcript of a conversation between Lucas, Marquand and Larry Kasdan. Most of it comprises an argument between Lucas and Kasdan - you get the impression Marquand is listening patiently and then suddenly he cuts in and chides them for their behaviour. No mere servant.

It’s clear that Marquand was ‘inexperienced’ (being kind) or ‘out of his depth’ (being harsh) regarding the Star Wars shooting method, which in the early 80s was still unusual and more technically demanding than other franchises like Bond or Star Trek. But he was not inexperienced when it came to dealing with actors, as he had been one himself. He also knew how to shoot quickly and economically - that, plus his willingness to relcoate to the US - made him an easy choice for director in Lucas’ eyes.

While I do believe all of this info, the Rinzler books have quite a bit of historical revisionism, especially to make Lucas look like he had all of the films planned out back in the 70s and that he was responsible for making the OT work more than he actually was. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Making of Jedi was missing some information about the production or had some revised history.

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#1384151
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Richard Marquand's effect on Return of the Jedi
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So obviously Lucas had a much bigger presence during the making of Jedi than he did Empire, he was practically a Co-Director, but did Marquand leave any mark of his own on the film? I haven’t seen his other work so I can’t say, and I don’t know if Lucas has attempted to erase any sort of legacy Marquand had like he did so many others on the OT.

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#1381446
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Childhood Misconceptions (aka The Trap Thread, but misconceptions still welcome)
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SilverWook said:

Hoop28 said:

When I was a kid I thought that Boba Fett was the leader of the Stormtroopers, and he was only with Jabba in ROTJ to make sure the Rebels didn’t steal Han back. I always pictured him kneeling before Palpatine right next to Moff Jerjerrod if he hadn’t died.

Not sure where it originated from, but back in the day, Fett’s armor was said to be that of a shocktrooper, predecessor of Stormtroopers and Fett was possibly a veteran of the Clone Wars.

Kind of more interesting than the backstory we got. 😉

Before Episode II the Clone Wars was so mysterious and strange. I like what we got in Eps. II and III, but it would’ve been interesting to see some of the other theories/concepts for the Clone Wars on the big screen.