Hey it's me.

It was 'Imperial' walkers for me.

Nah. G force or 'Battle of the Planets' was the daddy for 80's anime 

Yawn to this thread.

imperialscum said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

In the PT they got Anakin being arrogant right but they forgot that he needed to be a badass and likeable rogue to counteract this character trait so, we the audience would identify with him.

Instead Lucas made him annoying, ungrateful, hypocritical and whiny. The PT was supposed to be a story about good man turning bad. In reality the PT was a story of how a complete jerk (PT Anakin) turned into one of the most likeable and badass characters in film history (OT Vader).

The fall to the dark side wasn't a tragedy. It was a big change for the better.

Maybe Lucas did get it right when you come to think of it. The majority of the kids who grew up with the PT were conditioned to relate to annoying, bland,  f***ing idiots through the films. Maybe the mans more genius than we give him credit? 

imperialscum said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

I love it. It might not be the most realistic but it certainly is a great adventure. So many WW2 video games were inspired by this film (RTCW, Commandos etc.)

Commandos on the Commodore 64? Tape loader baby yeah!!!!

Ryan McAvoy said:

DominicCobb said:

The heir to the original SW I believe is the LOTR trilogy most certainly.

I've heard many similar quotes saying "LOTR is this generations Star Wars".

Since I'm a little older than that bracket and didn't 'grow up' with the LOTR films I can't comment if this is true really (I suspect it is). I grew up watching Star Wars on VHS, listening to the BBC LOTR radio drama and reading Judge Dredd lol

I grew to love Peter Jackson's films but Gandalf will always be Michael Hordern for me...

         ^ Gandalf        ^ Bilbo          ^ Frodo (And Bilbo in PJ's films)

                                    ^ Aragorn

or even...            ^ Aragorn

Growing up, LOTR was always the animated cartoon from the 70's.

I liked the ship in SpaceHunter. Thought it was very Star Warsesque (apologies I don't know how to post pics on my IPad) 

Your good..lol

Ronster said:

The Prequel Trilogy needed guns.. not like able people...People shooting at each other...

No Anakin needed to be likeable. And people rather than soulless clones and nothingness robots shooting at each other. 

I mistook Space Raiders for 'SpaceHunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone' for a minute there! Woah. Lol

The Matrix sequels were just over complicated. They tried to be too clever with them and they ended up being all over the place when there was no need. And your absolutely correct, after seeing the original Matrix I was f***ing hyped for the next 2!!! It was brilliant. 

The one word you used there above all others, was 'likeable' 

Ryan McAvoy said:

Ulysses was a saturday morning kids cartoon Star Wars knockoff par excellence back in the day...

"No, no Mr Lucas as I told your legal team it's not a Light-Saber, it's a Light-Blaste... erm, ah, I mean a Light-Pistol, yes a Light-Pistol"

Brilliant. Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors and G Force were favourites aswell! 

Ryan McAvoy said:

Hey, it's me. said:

Yeah. I didnt quite mean reanimating a dead corpse but well done for being patronising lol. I meant in the sense of someone being terminally injured and being able to heal them. Saving them from death (within reason, obviously) kinda like the elixir of life in Lord of the Rings. But a force power.

Yes that's true if handled right it could be portrayed as a good OR evil ability. My point is it's described as an evil thing in the PT, so I'm fine with that. Aragorn's ability to bring people back from the brink of death is the very sign that the King has returned to Gondor. So your absolutely right.

Usually in fantasy/SF the hero is required to "Give of themselves" to bring the heroine back to life. Wonder how this would be portrayed in the SW world?

Well if the PT's anything to go by how about a little nick with the sabre to draw blood and then feeding a drop so your midichlorians (yaaaawwwwnn) could get too work and do the healing. 

Ryan McAvoy said:

Hey, it's me. said:

Yeah supposedly all tied up in a nice little bundle. Like, there you go that's for the 'older' fans. Total disrespect for the intelligence of the 'original' fan. And it wasn't just the final 10 minutes. The seeds were sown in the abomination that was AOTC with the Anakin- Lars connection that was alluded to in ANH, or Star Wars as some would prefer to say. 

That was a HUGE missed oportunity.

I was looking for Owen and Anakin to actually be half-brothers who grew up together. Perhaps Anakin could've been the slightly older Son of his mothers rich and powerful first husband. When he died she was left with nothing and married the poor but honest farmer Lars.  This would give the two brothers a strong family bond but it could also be used to set Anakin apart as ambitious, even arrogant believeing that he was literally born for better things. Owen on the other hand was content with the modest life he had.

Queue Anakin striding off to Join the Academy (Like Luke would want to do against the wishes and fears of his Aunt and Uncle). He becomes the best starpilot in the galaxy, meets Obi-Wan who is a rogueish young Jedi who (With no small part of his own arrogance) sees potential in him and decides to train him "JUST AS WELL AS YODA"

etc etc

Was that so difficult George? I just thought of that in about 90 seconds and it's better than the sh*t it took you a quarter century to write!

 

^THIS^

Ryan McAvoy said:

Hey, it's me. said:

Why the hell wasnt the ability to save someone from death a 'Jedi' power? It just doesn't relate to something that can only be learnt by someone who practices in the Dark side of the Force.

In the pink floaty Opera house scene in ROTS, Anakin asks about the Sith's ability to 'prolong life beyond death'/'reanimate a dead person' and Palpatine replies:

"The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural"

But in the counter scene Yoda tells Anakin:

"Death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not. Miss them do not. Attachment leads to jealousy. The shadow of greed that is. Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose."

The film 'Mary Shelley's Frankenstein' tells the story of a man who dared defy the-gods/nature and explore "Abilities some consider to be... unnatural". If I had to put Doctor Victor's research into one camp, it would be the Sith.  When his wife Helena Bonham-Carter, is killed by is own creation he brings her back from the dead and look how that turned out...

Plus consider Palpatine entombing Anakin in the black Vader armour sustaining what's left of him past the point of death. Again I don't think this is a very Jedi thing.

Obi-Wan just puts up his saber at the end of ANH and excepts his fate.

A shame that Lucas layed the metaphor on far to thick in the "Noooooooo" re-animation chamber scene. I bet there is an out-take of Ian McDiarmid going "It's alive, it's alive!" lol

Yeah. I didnt quite mean reanimating a dead corpse but well done for being patronising lol. I meant in the sense of someone being terminally injured and being able to heal them. Saving them from death (within reason, obviously) kinda like the elixir of life in Lord of the Rings. But a force power.

Yeah supposedly all tied up in a nice little bundle. Like, there you go that's for the 'older' fans. Total disrespect for the intelligence of the 'original' fan. And it wasn't just the final 10 minutes. The seeds were sown in the abomination that was AOTC with the Anakin- Lars connection that was alluded to in ANH, or Star Wars as some would prefer to say. 

Well there are a few points where there should've been seamless links between the two trilogies but due to astounding ineptness, no amount of clever editing or tweaking can redeem it. It is irrecoverable. But kudos for thinking of something new.

Well each to there own, but i love nothing better than a nice pint after a large mixed grill down at my local. And a Sunday roast dinner will always be my favourite meal of the week. Mmm..pork crackling :-)

And just to add. Why the hell wasnt the ability to save someone from death a 'Jedi' power? It just doesn't relate to something that can only be learnt by someone who practices in the Dark side of the Force. I haven't read the book but I was just assuming Palpatine was telling dumb, gullible Anakin a load of bulls***. That power doesn't fit the Sith as they were portrayed in the OT.

The whole immaculate conception and the Plageuis story should have no telling on the OT. Leave that, frankly, preposterous nonsense for the PT. It doesn't fit with the OT. Call me a traditionalist (sorry) :-)

Looks very refreshing..(?)

Ryan McAvoy said:

Hey, it's me. said:

For a non fantasy film, in terms of spirit and adventure I'd go for 'Midnight Run' its action packed, fast paced, funny and has some drama woven in there too. 

Never even heard of 'Midnight Run' will have to check it out.

It's got Yaphet Kotto in it, I'm sold!

It's a terrific film and very entertaining. The same director previously did Beverley Hills Cop. It's just got that free spirited adventure feel that doesn't take itself too seriously that Star Wars had. For me anyway. 

For a non fantasy film, in terms of spirit and adventure I'd go for 'Midnight Run' its action packed, fast paced, funny and has some drama woven in there too. 

Didnt Lucas ask him to direct ROTJ back in the day?