Harmy

This has been argued time and time again and removing matte lines in my opinion isn't restoration, it's revision (and it seems you say matte lines, when you mean matte boxes when you talk about the asteroid chase - and those would not have been visible in theaters, so I will not be restoring them).

The term restoration in terms of art, comes from painting restoration and it means to try an return the piece of art to some previous state, not to improve it. Removing matte lines and digital recompositing in general is like if an art restorer was restoring an old portrait where the proportions of one of the arms were slightly wrong and the restorer fixed the proportions. It could make the painting look better, but it sure as hell wouldn't be a restoration.

So, are you suggesting I buy my uncle, whom I don't see more than once a year, a BD player just so he can watch this edit once every five years or so?

:-D

Well, he does sound more like a black man :-)

Actually, I am currently writing a script for a Despecialized Edition documentary, of which the Sources doc will be only a small part.

Here are the chapters I have in mind so far:

- "Introducing the Despecialized Edition"
What is the DeEd and why it was made.

- "Introducing the Versions"
What are all the different versions and what are the main differences between them. The resolution comparison will be a part of this when talking about resolution of PDE vs. DeEd - Why 720p and not 1080p.

- "Introducing the Sources"
This you've of course already seen - only the intro with the Ronto will probably be cut and put in front of the "Introducing the Despecialized Edition" doc and some parts will be shortened and the info moved to preceding chapters (like e.g. the flaws of the GOUT DVD will be explained in the first one.)

- "Introducing the changes"
How the changes were discovered (about 005's galleries) and examples of how they were dealt with - the old lightsabre clip and more.

- "Introducing the colors"
A bit about how the color correction was done.

- "Introducing the Soundtracks" Again, I'd dearly love to include this one but I cannot with clear conscience attempt to do it myself - I could do the video side of it, but not the audio side and the script of the narration, so if anyone can help me with it, I'd be very grateful - even if hairy_hen is busy, I bet someone else who understands audio could look into the threads and comments made by h_h and Belbucus and write a little script for me and tell me what sound clips to use to best illustrate the points. If anyone volunteers to do this, I'll send them the scripts I already completed, so they can get an idea of how to approach it.

Then there will be this comparison gallery in higher quality and then the same thing in movement as a 20 minute long video.

And I don't plan to put any non-DeEd related stuff on there, except maybe some trailers, which I will try to recreate in HD.

It would be a huge revision and would go completely against the spirit of this edit. I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad idea, just not for this project.

No.

I will use the program MultiAVCHD to compile the main movie disc and create menus. And for the bonus disc I'll probably use encore and make a completely different menu.

jdryyz said:

Thanks for posting the info on converting mkv to AVCHD format. I recall the last time I tried to do something similar I was using Toast for Mac OS X. It seemed like there was some transcoding going on and I ended up cancelling it as it was taking way too long. Should that normally happen? I know .mkv is not a native BD format, so I suppose some type of conversion will be necessary, but how long are talking here to produce a disc? Shouldn't burn time be the longest part of the process??

The point of AVCHD is for it to fit on a DVD9 (7.9GB), so seeing as the video track in the mkv is 12GB, you have to transcode to get it to fit a DVD9. If you're serious about keeping the picture quality high, you need to use a slow setting and this can then take anywhere between 6 hours and several days depending on your CPU, RAM and HDD speed. If I remember correctly, it took me something like 18hrs to encode the AVCHD and 36 hours to encode the BD.

TV's Frink said:

Sorry, I need a recharge.

;-) Well, allow me then:

Sure, MrSmartyPants, sir, just tell me where you live and I'll be there to fix it as soon as possible... NOT!

@StarThoughts: Yes, on the BD all the English tracks and the ISO score will be lossless.

YanniD said:

If you wanted both movie and bonus extras on the one disc, you could use a BD50 for the extras and include the movie mkv as a separate file, but it would mean no menus for the movie.  The other alternative is to get Harmy's MultiAVCHD project files and modify to combine the menus (mkv make great source files).

Finally, perhaps the easiest approach is for Harmy to make a combined disc project and separate disc projects, linking to a common set of mkv source files.  If the MultiAVCHD projects are distributed along with the individual mkv files, the end user can create the final result as required, without downloading any more than they need to.

I don't want to sound self-important, but since this thread is about my project, it may be a good idea to actually read my posts... ;-)

Harmy said:

I thought about instead making it a BD50, but doing it as two separate discs should make the authoring much easier...

Harmy said:

@chyron: It will be mainly the extras. With the BD being one movie file only, it shouldn't be too hard to author in MultiAVCHD and then I can author the extras BD with some other software, as it won't require multiple audio options.

Well, I guess it's no secret, so here goes:

"C:\x264.exe" --pass 1 --bitrate 6500 --bluray-compat --level 4.1 --preset veryslow --keyint 48 --sar 1:1 --slices 4 --vbv-bufsize 15000 --vbv-maxrate 15000 --open-gop --weightp 0 --colorprim bt709 --transfer bt709 --colormatrix bt709 --me umh --merange 64 --deblock -1:-1 --qcomp 0.8 --stats ".stats" --output NUL "C:\sw2.1_source.avs"

"C:\x264.exe" --pass 2 --bitrate 6500 --bluray-compat --level 4.1 --preset veryslow --keyint 48 --sar 1:1 --slices 4 --vbv-bufsize 15000 --vbv-maxrate 15000 --open-gop --weightp 0 --colorprim bt709 --transfer bt709 --colormatrix bt709 --me umh --merange 64 --deblock -1:-1 --qcomp 0.8 --stats ".stats" --output "K:\avchd.264" "C:\sw2.1_source.avs"

PAUSE

And for the MKV/BD:

"K:\\FINAL ENCODE\x264.exe" --pass 1 --bitrate 13500 --bluray-compat --level 4.1 --preset veryslow --keyint 24 --sar 1:1 --slices 4 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 40000 --open-gop --weightp 0 --colorprim bt709 --transfer bt709 --colormatrix bt709 --me umh --merange 48 --deblock -2:-2 --qcomp 0.8 --aq-strength 0.8 --stats ".stats" --output NUL "K:\FINAL ENCODE\sw2.5_source.avs"

"K:\\FINAL ENCODE\x264.exe" --pass 2 --bitrate 13500 --bluray-compat --level 4.1 --preset veryslow --keyint 24 --sar 1:1 --slices 4 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 40000 --open-gop --weightp 0 --colorprim bt709 --transfer bt709 --colormatrix bt709 --me umh --merange 48 --deblock -2:-2 --qcomp 0.8 --aq-strength 0.8 --stats ".stats" --output "C:\Users\Harmy\Favorites\Odkazy\_Media\Films\C\Bluray_Encode.264" "K:\FINAL ENCODE\sw2.5_source.avs"

PAUSE

What on Earth are you guys even talking about? :D

No, I cannot - seriously - I'll have to take a page from Adywan's book on this one and say it will be done when it's done - could be a month, could be a year, I really don't know. As to first screenshots from v2.0, you may wanna take a look few pages back.

seattlematt said:

What are the visual differences between 2.5 and 2.1? Anything I would notice playing them side by side?

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Harmys-STAR-WARS-Despecialized-Edition-HD-V25-MKV-IS-OUT-NOW/post/663894/#TopicPost663894

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Harmys-STAR-WARS-Despecialized-Edition-HD-V25-MKV-IS-OUT-NOW/post/663921/#TopicPost663921

I have no idea what layer timing thing you mean to be honest, but yes, he would have to create a whole new menu and stuff.

Well, he wouldn't have to re-encode but he would have to do some voodoo, to get it all working properly.

@Chewtobacca: I think it's the same one. I've had it here for quite some time.

@Oldfan: Yeah, it was like that from the beginning - I guess there's some problem with DF.

Well, it wouldn't be much of a problem to do that but it would create an awkward gap :-D

Anyway, here's the flac mono-mix.

I was quite pleased to find that my BD player plays flac without problems as well.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you extracted track two (which would be track 3 inside the MKV, since track one is the video). Because audio track three is 470MB.

Yeah, I hope it all works out the way I want it.

BTW, I have the mono mix as a 300MB flac, so I could upload that if anyone wants it to replace the DTS-HD track with.

That looks like an awesome tool for this kind of thing.

Way to go Nearsighted Scrappile. It takes a man to admit he made a mistake and I'm always glad to see when people are behaving nicely like that here. This forum is really full of great people.

Oh, and you're welcome :-)

OK, Mavimao, I'll be sending you the scripts as I finish them :-)

As to the third track, I tested the MKV in my Samsung BD Player and it plays just fine, including the mono mix, so there's probably nothing technically wrong with the track and your hardware players probably just don't support DTS mono. If I knew this, it would have been good to include the mono mix in AC3 (the one in the AVCHD is only like 100MB) but it's too late now.

I have a different problem though and that is that my BD player only shows ten audio tracks (and for some reason, it shows the 1st nine and the last one). I hope this is just the player's restriction for MKV and not some general BD format restriction. I can't remember if any of my commercial BDs has more than 10 language tracks, but the most I can recall is around 8. This could be why Encore won't import more than 8 tracks. I hope not.

EDIT: I just found a commercial BD that has over 12 audio tracks, so it should be fine.

@michaeldc: There will be a nice menu and more lossless audio options on the BD, so that would be the only real difference.

Not that I know of - or well, not any good ones anyway - I used to do that kind of thing in Nero, but the encoding wasn't very good.

As for the framerate - I could just make an NTSC DVD, which would play in most PAL players. But I would probably go the speedup way - he's used to watching SW with PAL speedup anyway, so I can't imagine he would notice.

Yeah. And possibly also an AVCHD - I think they could be encoded overnight, so I guess I could do it, if I have the necessary audio tracks.

Chewtobacca, could you maybe send me the script for encoding an SD DVD9 video track?