Harmy

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Chewtobacca said:

hairy_hen said: Colour correction--mainly eliminating the general blue cast, and dialing down oversaturated reds on Tatooine--is the most important thing.  But the '93 transfer doesn't exactly have stellar colour itself, either, so I'm not sure what it's really 'supposed' to look like.  Given the kinds of differences apparent between the GOUT and the SW Technicolor print, the film's true look is most likely something in between the extremes of each rendition.

Yes; I think something between the two is a good approach to take.  As long as the result looks natural and consistent, I do not think it matters greatly what the film is "supposed" to look like.

 

Yes, you saw the PDE, so you know that's the approach I tried to take with the colours and will be maintaing that here as well.

Harmy, I would go with the SE in all those shots apart from 2.  I simply cannot stand even the most fleeting glimpse of the SE Sarlac beast, even if it is in the distance.  I even do not mind the recolored R2.

I'll go with Chaisawash's advice, exept I'm still not sure about the laser blast not being a 1993 thing...

Will this sync to the GOUT ROTJ audio and will you be removing the SE Bantha herd in its entirety?

Yes to both ;-)

PM sent. Also, check the YOUTUBE links in the 1st post.

The question is, isn't the laser blast being the wrong colour in 9 a problem caused by the 1993 telecine, that wasn't present in the original prints, similarly to the yellow Tie blasts in Empire? I think it might be, because it has a distinct red outline.

And to finalize, another thing that could do is including a scene after de DS destruction, of Vader aproaching Coruscant and giving explanations to the Emperor or something like that

Sounds good, here's a mockup :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNeXou3c5II&feature=related

I've got a bit of a dilemma. I started working on this and I just can't decide whether to change some of the stuff or not. These are all the shots from 005's list that I'm not sure about changing:

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That is not to say that I'm changing all the others, there are some shots where the difference is so insignificant that I'm definitely not changing them. I'm just not sure about these yet. What do you guys think?

PM sent, Parth.

To answer your questions:

1) I am going to make a new version of these when the Blus come out and make a few further adjustments to all the films - to name some:

SW:

Get rid of even more Dewbacks and Rontos.

Put back the TRACTOR BEAM sign. I was actually thinking about something like this little compromise using Erikstormtrooper's Engli-Besh font:

ESB:

Remove some more Cloud City windows (maybe)

ROTJ:

Improve the cut to the Sailbarge FX shot (not yet sure how).

Give mr. Shaw his eyebrows back.

2) There is some 97 SE used but very little - the ghosts in ROTJ and whatever Ady used for his ESB AVCHD, which was the main source of my ESB.

It should, I used Ady's sound for PDE and it was in sync without fiddling with it and so was the GOUT sound, so if this is in sync with GOUT, it should be in sync with Ady's reconstruction and my PDE as well.

A little compromise using Erikstormtrooper's Engli-Besh font.

Well, my ESB:PDE is GOUT synced as well, so I (and anyone else who has it) could use it for that :-)

Thanks again for the GKAR clips, Eric. I must say I am quite disappointed with the quality, it seem that GKAR Jedi is even more plagued with DVNR smearing than the GOUT, luckily most of the shots I want to use don't have so much movement, so it's still a great help :-)

Oh my god, my thread was hijacked, I wonder if they'll want ransom...

Well, I guess I had it coming, I did the same thing to Ady's ESB reconstruction thread with this, only the force is stronger with Ady :-)

hairy_hen said:

Cool.  :)

Will it have the same frame count as the GOUT, so that determined users can add their own preferred mixes?

It will, I was actually gonna ask if it would be possible to use your new 5.1 mix that you recreated for Dark Jedi's  ROTJ.

Sorry, I made the Partly Despecialized Edition for watching in HD, this is only gonna be an anamorphic DVD (I'll have to use a lot more GOUT for this one). I'm gonna do a new version of the PDE with possibly some more despecializations when the Blu-Rays come out, but for now I'm fine with the current PDE of Jedi to watch in HD.

RETURN OF THE JEDI - ORIGINAL THEATRICAL VERSION RECONSTRUCTION

This is a little Leia to Adywan's Luke. It is an anamorphic reconstruction of the original cut of ROTJ using the HD broadcast of the 2004 version, the GOUT and GKAR German anamorphic digi broadcast of 97SE.

Here is what is changed back to the original version:

FYI: The whole ending celebration is completely back to the original state and the whole film is colour corrected - Here's a colour correction comparison, left is SE right is the RECONSTRUCTION:

The colours are not 100% faithful because it's a JPG but it gives you the general idea - it's pretty subtle for the most part.

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ORIGINAL 1st POST:

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OK, I got my good computer back from service and that means I can start working on this soon. 

As I already despecialized and colour corrected about 90% of Jedi for my partly-despecialized edition AVCHD and I (along with other people) thought it was pretty much succesful even at 1080p and some people asked me to do an SD version, I decided to make a full theatrical recontruction DVD. I'd like to thank Ericstormtrooper, who said he'd try and help me get the unmasking (and I hope the Rancor as well) scene from GKAR Jedi so I should be able to use that.

I'm gonna try and fix all the changes listed here http://picasaweb.google.com/doubleofive/StarWarsComOfficial2004ChangesRotJ

exept probably some recomposited FX shots.

I'd be very gratefull if someone could point out some further changes that are not on this list if there are some. And also if there are some more things that were not changed in 97 apart from Rancor, eyebrows and ghosts...

Like I said, I already despecialized like 90% for PDE, so it shouldn't really take long to do this but I don't wanna rush it either...

I'm planing on doing both PAL and NTSC versions of this.

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These look awesome, I think Cameron and his crew did a really good job restoring Aliens to it's original state, grainy but rich in detail and colour, awesome, I wish the OOT got this treatment...

Oh, yeah, it would be foolish to think that there isn't anything else George could ruin about these movies. He could add some CG aliens to the Cantina scene (probably would be from the PT as they are alredy made) as George was never happy with that scene. We might get a new CG Jabba in ROTJ to match the one added in ANH, we could get a new CG Wampa and Taun-Tauns, the stormtroopers could get colours on their uniforms like their PT clone counterparts... Need I to continue? Didn't think so...

OK, I was gonna keep it to myself at least until I started working on it, but as the demand is starting to pile up, I'm gonna come out and say it: As I already despecialized and colour corrected about 90% of Jedi for my partly-despecialized edition and I (along with other people) thought it was pretty much succesful even at 1080p and some people asked me to do an SD version, I decided to make a full theatrical recontruction DVD. I'm gonna start it's own thread once I start working on it when I get my good computer back from the servis (hopefully next week)... Here goes a request to anyone who could PM me links for TB or KGAR Jedi so that I'd have to use the least amout of GOUT possible (well, I basically just need the unmasking scene now, unless I'm forgetting something).

doubleofive said:

1080 is a lot of p's for RotJR. The videophile in me is super-excited, the Revisited continuity in me says "720p!". Eh, he'll get over it. Congrats on the new setup!

That's actually perfect continuity:

ANH:R 576p

ESB:R 720p

ROTJ:R 1080p

The only problem with that concept is that you would have to continue:

TPM:R 2K (possible but improbable)

AOTC:R 4K (impossible)

ROTS:R 8K (impossible)

But maybe for the PT you could just stick to 1080p.

:-D :-D :-D

adywan said:

Harmy said:

The good thing about ROTJ:R is that i don't have to use any GOUT footage at all so no upscaling issues, so this one was possible. The one shot i would need to use from a lower quality source would be the original Anakin ghost, but i can use one of the SE broadcasts for that as it worked perfectly well with the Emperor in my ESB 97' 1080p reconstruction . But who knows what will be on the Blu-rays

Don't have to use GOUT? OMG, what about Lapti Nek? Or are you leaving that out altogether?

I never liked Lapti nek and hated jedi rocks. That scene will be getting a bit of a change

Oh, that's OK then, I was just afraid you were gonna leave Jedi Rocks in. But for me the problem with Jedi Rocks isn't as much the music as the CG cartoons, I'd take a p(m)uppet over CG any day...

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These are great,  definitely better than the photoshop pictures from the official releases and inovative compared to the usual classic posters. I also like Luke better for ROTJ.

The good thing about ROTJ:R is that i don't have to use any GOUT footage at all so no upscaling issues, so this one was possible. The one shot i would need to use from a lower quality source would be the original Anakin ghost, but i can use one of the SE broadcasts for that as it worked perfectly well with the Emperor in my ESB 97' 1080p reconstruction . But who knows what will be on the Blu-rays

Don't have to use GOUT? OMG, what about Lapti Nek? Or are you leaving that out altogether?

Yeah, FAQ could work. But I thought more like on the example of GOUT, have a short article that would go like:

Although the original versions of the films were relaesed on DVD in 2006 this cannot be thought of as a true preservation, because 1993 LaserDisc [with a hypertext to some site that explains what a LD is] masters were used as a source and therefore the DVDs suffer from following problems:

1) Non-anamorphic transfers.

[A bunch of pictures (maybe gifs to show it in motion) illustrating the problem]

[A link to a more in-depth analysis of the problem]

2) Execive amounts of grain:

[A bunch of comparison pictures (maybe gifs to show it in motion) illustrating the problem]

[A link to a more in-depth analysis of the problem]

3) DVNR smearing

[A bunch of comparison pictures (maybe gifs to show it in motion) illustrating the problem]

[A link to a more in depth analysis of the problem]

and so on...

It should be more graphic IMHO, like have moving gifs and maybe highlighting or zooming on the issue in question in the pictures. I'm even toying with an idea of doing a documentary that I'd put on youtube  when I get my good computer back. I hope you wouldn't mind me citing some of your execelent articles in it.