Harmy

Yeah, I sure wouldn't want that :-)

Pretty nice, although in the end I decided to redo the backs too for the despecialized editions (and if anything, it shouldn't say Adywan colour corrected anymore). Also, is that intentional, that it's not just black around the white edge of the poster on the ESB cover?

But with a few tweaks, these could be a really nice alternate version.

I seem to have shot all my gunpowder on the covers I made for DJ and whenever I try making covers for DeEd, I always give up because I'd like to come up with something original and I couldn't get any of the concepts to work to my satisfaction.

I am definitely taking a break from Despecializing STAR WARS when this is done but I already have a few other projects in mind, that I'm itching to start working on. 1st I want to attempt to turn the HBO Game of Thrones series season 1 into a 3hr epic (with 2.35:1 AR). Then I'd quite like to update my Very Special Edition with the third Robot Chicken and Family Guy parodies - not sure whether to start from scratch or not. Then because the Extended Editions are now finally on Blu-Ray, I might go back to my scraped LOTR edits, and then, , when Harry Potter 7.2 comes out on Blu, I'm gonna try to make both parts into one reasonably good film, because I went to see part 2 yesterday and I though it was pretty awful but I quite liked a lot of part 1.

That's a good idea, I'll do that but I'm not so good with sound mixing, so I'm not sure how well I'll be able to intergrate it into the 5.1 mix. 

Jaitea said:

While we are on this 'plausible' subject, I always wondered why no pressure suits when they squelch around in a space slugs guts?

J

Yeah, not to mention that the little gravity there would be would be towards the centre of the asteroid and therefore the way the slug is positioned, deeper into the slugs innards, so they couldn't walk around like that - the moment they would set foot outside Falcon's artificial gravity field, they'd start falling towards the slug's "other" end ;-)

Thanks, Ady, I know about the PAL version of Jedi being better but I'm actually using the shot from DJ's project Blu and I'm not sure but I think he did use the PAL GOUT for that one. But even if he didn't, I did use the PAL GOUT in my ROTJ Reconstruction for that shot and it looks pretty much the same.

As to that change, I'm pretty sure it's just because of the crushed blacks. You can still see the neck in the SE but only vaguely (not really in the YOUTUBE video, becuase of the compression but you can see it in the HQ file.)

Also, here is an HQ video of the smoke scene, so you guys can see what I mean. It shows the shot with the GOUT element added without the smoke, then with the smoke and then side by side:

http://www.ulozto.net/9704236/jabba-smoke-hq-mp4

The thing is that you're watching a video which demonstrates the cold breaths, so of course you will focus on them rather than the dialogue but I bet, if it wasn't pointed out,  most people wouldn't even consciously notice but subconsciously it adds the feeling of how cold it really is in there.

Lando Lakes said:

Harmy said:

No, it's not. The smoke is surely an on-set effect and is exactly the same in the OOT as in the SE. The problem is that this shot is very unsharp and extremely grainy in the GOUT. I can't put less smoke there, it looks too bad that way, I was actually tempted to add more of it. You must keep in mind that YOUTUBE compression takes away a lot of fine detail and therefore makes the quality difference less pronounced. Also, I made some more tweaks to the smoke in this video.

 I swear its going the other way in the GOUT footage. watch this and go to 0:06. I swear to god the smoke moves the other way then back again when the 2004 footage returns. Maybe I'm hallucinating when I watch that clip?? :0

Well, yeah, it is going the other way during the GOUT footage there but only at the bottom of Jabba's body because that part isn't GOUT but reversed SE footage (before anyone tells me that it's wrong, I already said that video was just a test of concept and it's not done that way in the other two videos).

Either way, I still think its better keeping it that way than 'butchering' it with that Chewbacca backwards shot.

 

Please don't overdo the smoke. It looks passable to me with less. I think you may be be overeacting a bit to the unsharpness of the GOUT shot. Its not as terrible as you are making it out to be. I don't think anyone here, other than you, has stated that it is too bad to use. Its  noticable , yes, but not that bad.

Oh, man, please re-read my post that you quoted starting with "You must keep in mind"...

Also, when you open the video I linked to in that very same post, you'll see the word "final" in it's name...

Maybe tweeking the GOUT shot for lightness and contrast a bit more may help it blend in better....

C'mon, when I said I'd spent hours experimenting with it, don't you thing I already tried all possible brightness and contrast settings.

No, it's not. The smoke is surely an on-set effect and is exactly the same in the OOT as in the SE. The problem is that this shot is very unsharp and extremely grainy in the GOUT. I can't put less smoke there, it looks too bad that way, I was actually tempted to add more of it. You must keep in mind that YOUTUBE compression takes away a lot of fine detail and therefore makes the quality difference less pronounced. Also, I made some more tweaks to the smoke in this video.

Thanks guys :-)

Oh, and expect a little delay, I just got A Dance with Dragons...

Here it is :-)

Thank God no (or at least not that I know of). There are similar problems behind, I wish I could have added smoke to those. ;-)

Thanks :-)

Yeah, the 1st one was just a test of concept for which I used one of my previous attempts of integrating the GOUT Jabba into the HD footage. When I decided that the smoke might work, I started from scratch and re-did it with adding the smoke already on my mind, because it meant that I had more freedom with the integration as the smoke would cover it up partially (eg. I didn't have to denoise it so heavily).

I used an actual filmed smoke element, no CG animation. I gave the smoke a bit of a blue tint to match the actual smoke in the shot and added some grain to it to better integrate it into the shot.

OK, here's the final version. It works pretty well, so I think I'm gonna use it. I always wanted to do it like this I just couldn't get it to work, so in the end I gave up, so I guess a thank you is in place to those who stubbornly insisted that it needs be done. And thanks to those who defended me too ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqTZNrwLkUE

I tried but all the elements are missaligned in the SE recomp, so I deblued the stars in the GOUT shot and rotoscoped in the HD Falcon.

Oh and the Chewie shot was in the PDE not the Reconstruction, in the Reconstruction I used the GOUT for the whole shot and I cringe whenever I see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaerEgBQi8M

It's in the same video as the added Chewie. It doesn't look great but it's a whole scene transitioned to by a wipe, so it stands out much less.

That's one thing I'm most definitely not gonna do - I just put it in the video to show how bad it looks. 

The flyby shot in SW was a whole different beast altogether. It was a fast moving shot from big distance, full of fast moving elements, so it wasn't far as distracting as this would be.

timdiggerm said:

Yeah it really... Harmy's right. The quality is pretty bad on Jabba compared to everything else :(

And believe me, it's much worse in full resolution and quality.

But I'm still working on it. We'll see if I can make it look believable.

Well, to be honest, I will probably never watch any LD transfer again, I only see them as sources for my projects. But I see the importance of making the best possible transfer of the actual original. Until and if there is an official remastered release of the originals, I will probably go to my DeEds 90% of the time and if I wanted to watch the actual actual original, I'd probably go with Puggo's versions but it would still give me a warm feeling to know that a very solid SD transfer without horrible DVNr and with nice colours is sitting on my shelf.

I'm 99% sure that it was the black market with LD transfers that made LFL release the GOUT - a shitty transfer but just that tiny little bit better than every fan made bootleg out there. So it seems like the only way to make LFL release a better transfer is to make bootlegs that will set the bar much higher than what is currently commercially available.

Film is but the DV camera he used to capture surely isn't and because he's from the USA, the capture is NTSC.

Puggo, you never said what you think about my alternate audio idea.

And as to the colours, I think you're doing a great job on your own from what I've seen but it's still nice that Ady agreed to help :-)

Yeah, for me, at least from what I've seen, Moth3r's PAL LD transfers were the best pre-GOUT transfers and there is indeed less DVNR in them but the presence of analog noise trips the favour towards the GOUT for me. Maybe if an even better transfer of those PAL LDs could be done and then someone went medieval on it's ass with some script similar to what DJ's is using for his project Blu but developed especially for the PAL transfer (as the problems that would need be adressed would differ from the GOUT) we could get something that would be better than the GOUT. Maybe some combination could be made picking the best looking scenes from both transfers.

Oh and just so you know, I'm not decided to actually do it this way, I'm just further experimenting. In fact unless I can seriously improve this method (adding more smoke elements to conceal the horrible quality drop) I'll probably stick with the PDE solution.

OK, guys, here's a little test. It's not final but it gives you the idea. And it doesn't really do it justice because YOUTUBE seriously degrades the quality of the HD footage and makes the quality difference much smaller.

BTW. I hate you guys for making me do this ;-)

Oh, come on, man, don't get all worked up, I'm calling the GOUT DVD a turd, not your project, I think I explained quite clearly in this post and in other places as well that I think you did the best that is humanly possible with the source. You know very well how much I love what you're doing. It's just way too distracting when this particularly bad looking GOUT shot is put inside HD footage.

I did it the same way as here in ROTJ PDE and no one ever complained about it, in fact I'm pretty sure most people never even noticed. It's like one second long shot that falls into place really nicely IMO. The thing is, if you watched the scene and didn't know that that shot was inserted, it would never distract you but if I put the GOUT shot in there, everyone would immediately spot the sudden quality drop.

There are some scenes in the ROTJ GOUT that look really nice and they look really great in DJ's project (eg. the ending celebration) and can therefore be integrated quite well, but this simply isn't one of them.