Handman

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

“Let’s go chrome dome!”

“You were always scum.”
“Rebel scum”.

I’ll be cutting these. Currently developing my cutlist. Expect a dedicated thread pretty soon.

I look forward to it. As Phasma will be gone entirely from my edit, those lines are too.

darthrush said:

I think you’d have to cut the part of DJ stealing from the ship as well. It doesn’t fit since as the viewer, you have no idea what Canto Bight is and it’s a lot easier to assume it is a resistance ship. And if you move that plot later in the film, you can just have Poe and them agree to find the master codebreaker, then only a few scenes later just have Poe call them and they say “we found A codebreaker”. No need for dubbed lines.

Possibly, however we still need to set up that DJ’s not to be trusted, I was thinking of just removing the Canto Bight references. DJ telling Hux about the shuttles is pivotal, otherwise it seems like the First Order knows about them anyway. That makes Holdo’s plan that much stupider, which we can’t have given the way she treats Poe. I’ll see how it plays out, and if it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work.

Update 4/4/18: My editing skills are not up to par. This will not be out for quite some time, if ever. Sorry.

Original:
Like many of you, I walked out of The Last Jedi feeling very conflicted. A lot of it was great, but so much of it made me wonder what I was watching. However, I believe that, at the core, we have a very good movie hidden under a lot of pointless sideplots and fat, and with a few trims and possible shifting of scenes, we can finally see it. I’ll be using some of the same ideas discussed in the Fan Edit ideas thread, with a few of my own.

The main goal is to remove the casino planet entirely, and show Finn and Rose’s story from Poe’s perspective until they infiltrate the ship. This will hopefully make Captain Holdo’s characterization feel more natural as well. I also plan to remove Maz and Phasma as well, as they contribute nothing to the main story, our focus is on Rey, Kylo Ren, and Luke Skywalker.

Cutlist:

• Cut stupid expository Hux dialogue. “I have my orders from Snoke himself”. Who is he saying this to and why? He’s there to destroy them and that’s what’s on his mind.
• Trim Poe’s toying. The worst part of this was Hux going along with it. Now Poe just says he’s on hold and Hux immediately asks if he can hear him. Hux looks more competent here.
• Cut Snoke dragging Hux along the floor. We go from “Snoke wants to talk to you” and Hux looking worried straight to the rebel ship.
• Cut shot of Luke getting milk. This didn’t bother me much but it was odd and got enough of a bad reaction to justify its removal.
• Trim Leia’s Superman moment. The explosion doesn’t show her getting sucked out. The next time we see her, she’s unconscious.
• Remove Luke’s reference to “Darth Sidious” with some audio trickery.
• Cut all of Canto Bight. We see Poe raise his finger when Finn says we need a codebreaker (possibly dub in “I think I know someone” for Poe or utilize some of Rose’s dialogue from later on), then we cut to another scene of Luke and Rey or Ren (whichever comes next). Rose’s line, “We get in, get the codebreaker, and get out” is moved to right after they steal the shuttle. This removes the need for Maz.
• The next time we see Finn and Rose, they’re on the ship with DJ. “Did you get the codebreaker?” “We got A codebreaker, not THE codebreaker!”. Merge the scene where Rose gives her medallion here. Cut Finn’s “Look at us” line.
• Trim some of Snoke’s dialogue before his betrayal. It goes on a bit long, making his betrayal more obvious, and Snoke looks like an idiot.
• Add deleted scene of Finn trying to flatten Rose’s hair on the ship. Since Canto Bight is cut, more material (not much) to show their relationship develop is needed.
• Cut Phasma fight, remove Phasma entirely. This also removes BB-8’s dumb walker thing.
• Cut Hux repeating Kylo’s orders. Attempt to make Hux more of a threat.
• Cut broom kid, an extension of removing Canto Bight.
• Possibly adjust brightness or contrast of a few Yoda shots to make him look less weird.

From Hal 9000

• Reign in the SNL opening with Poe and Hux.
• Remove or trim BB8’s wack-a-mole repairs (as part of broader effort to remove ‘Droids’ stuff, just like in AOTC and ROTS)
• Remove Maz’s Battlefront Skype call.
• Keep the scene with Chewie about to eat a porg, though remove the final porg giving him the sad eyes.
• If deleted scenes make this possible, give Rey her promised third lesson from Luke.
• Remove Poe’s “big ass door.” Hopefully that shot is static, so a simple crossfade or similar trickery will make it work, saying “Let’s just hope that door holds out,” or whatever the exact line is.
• Similarly, remove Finn’s unnecessary line about the battering ram being “old Death Star tech.” (Let’s never reference the Death Star in another ‘saga’ film ever again.)
• I’ll ask anyone here who is willing, to stabilize the crate Luke sits down on while talking with Leia. The filmmakers bothered to not have him physically interact with the ground, or make walking foley sounds, so this seems like a small but positive change to make. (You just gotta do stuff like this while you’ve got everything cracked open.)
• Remove the porg smacking against the Falcon window.

From darkrush

• Edit Finn’s sacrifice to show Rose get blown up. Finn’s motivation now is to avenge Rose. His ship goes out on him. I like the kiss, so will play around with this to see if I can fit it in, but the “It’s not about hate, it’s about love!” line will be cut either way.
• Cut Luke barking “Go Away”. Sounds childish, just let him ignore the knocks.
• Cut jokes of Porgs with the lightsaber.
• Cut Luke saying “Nothing at all can change my mind.” and “C’mon that’s cheap” to R2. This will make the scene of him seeing Leia’s old hologram a lot more natural and emotional. Those lines blatantly stated what the scene was trying to do.
• Cut rock crashing the cart of the frog nuns.
• Cut evil BB unit scanning them from a distance
• Cut close up shots of evil BB unit and BB-8 looking at eachother after Finn and Rose are caught.
• Cut silly close up of Snoke’s dead face and his tongue hanging out.
• Move Yoda scene to after Kylo declares himself Supreme Leader. This leads into the introduction of Crait.
• Cut Hux’s “Do you think you got him?” line.
• Cut Kylo hitting Hux and the “right away sir” joke.

I’ll have to play around with the placement of scenes once I make these cuts in order to maintain pacing. I’m considering moving Finn waking up somewhere else. I think the structure of the film as it is works, it’s just far too long and meanders a bit. I hope this tightens up the film, brings the tone more in line with the previous films, and induces less cringing.

Two movies about witches, but that’s about all they have in common.
Suspiria and Bell, Book and Candle.
One is gorgeous, and one has a narrative.

Happy birthday!

Darth Lucas said:

Handman said:

I can see why you’d want Empire '97, but I can’t for the life of me think of why you’d want Jedi '97.

No Hayden? Shorter victory celebration? Completionism?

Completionism, yeah sure, but I never want to sit through Jedi Rocks ever again.

I finally saw the new episode. Other than the First Doctor being used a bit too much for comic relief, it’s one of the best of Capaldi’s era. I agree with the weaknesses described above, but my expectations were low after the nonsensical mess that was “The Doctor Falls”.

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

May I ask how old you are?

Well ok then. Point is it’s kind of silly to say you’re doomed to be alone forever at any point, but especially if you’re like 19.

With that said I have no idea how old you are, hence the question.

I seem to to recall that Handman’s in his early twenties.

I’m not sure where I said anything like that, but you’re not far off. I fail to see the relevance of the question, however. I’ve gone through life, short as it may be to other posters here, entirely alone. I don’t see that changing soon.

chyron8472 said:

dahmage said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

Yeah, as though there’s not a middle ground? A place where someone can like Rey and Finn without bringing socio-cultural identity politics into it?

Why can’t people just like or dislike the character without turning it into a bigotry (or reverse bigotry) issue?

Reverse bigotry is a problem?

Ok.

It’s a thing. Being judgmental toward people by assuming their actions or feelings are primarily motivated by bigotry is a thing that happens. If it happens, it’s a problem.

And thank you for proving my point by being dismissive of it.

Please also keep this out of my thread.

I’m sorry. What I was trying to say was that I want to like Rey without needing to take some side as to whether or not it’s motivated by some social bias.

I agree.

RicOlie_2 said:

Handman said:

RicOlie_2 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

• A wife (preferably a natural redhead of Irish/Scots background with blue eyes and an incredible singing voice)

Sounds a lot like a crush I had for a while. But she’s not a wife. And she’s probably a little young for you.

Me too.

You’re a redheaded Scottish/Irish non-wife? Or do you mean she’s too young for you too? She’s also too young for Frink, for that matter (but who isn’t too young for Frink?).

I mean it sounds like a doomed crush I had for years. Redhead with blue eyes (didn’t hear her sing though).

It kind of miffs me when Possessed says all it takes to get a girl is to try. That’s never worked. Doing nothing and waiting for the right moment hasn’t either. I don’t know. I think I just have to cope with the fact I’ll be alone.

I can see why you’d want Empire '97, but I can’t for the life of me think of why you’d want Jedi '97.

Can’t say anything about Whittaker, but I wish we had just one more year of Capaldi with new writers.

joefavs said:

I asked this in the Amadeus theatrical reconstruction thread but it didn’t get any traction. A couple weeks ago, I went to a screening of Amadeus with a live orchestra where they showed a DCP of the theatrical cut. Is this available commercially anywhere? As far as I know, the blu-ray only includes the director’s cut, but now that there’s evidently a high def master of the theatrical version out there I’m thinking there could have been a release somewhere along the line that I missed.

Holy carp! Can’t believe I missed this. I hope the Warner Archive Collection considers a release.

joefavs said:

Finally sprang for a Filmstruck account and have been taking full advantage. This weekend I’ve watched

Throne of Blood - 1957, dir. Akira Kurosawa
Viridiana - 1961, dir. Luis Buñuel
Rome: Open City - 1945, dir. Roberto Rosellini
Rodan - 1956, dir. Ishiro Honda
Laura - 1944, dir. Otto Preminger

Might fire up some more Kurosawa this afternoon, TLJ really put me in the mood for that stuff.

Laura is one of my favorites. Rome: Open City is great too.

Last one I watched was It’s a Wonderful Life, of course. Was with family, one of the younger ones asked if it was a Christmas movie, “like Die Hard”. They’re hopeless.

If we’re just gonna talk about what we’d talk about in the Banned Members thread here, would the administration consider reopening that thread somewhere down the line?

I’m not sure how it would work. In my mind, they’re the Knights of Ren.

RicOlie_2 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

• A wife (preferably a natural redhead of Irish/Scots background with blue eyes and an incredible singing voice)

Sounds a lot like a crush I had for a while. But she’s not a wife. And she’s probably a little young for you.

Me too.

Most movies shot digitally today are sent to theaters as a 2K DCP, let alone 4K in 2002.

Wazzles said:

After seeing TLJ yesterday, this is my preliminary ranking:
ESB
SW
TFA
ROTJ
TLJ
R1
TPM
ROTS
AOTC

This may change after a second watch of TLJ.

Flip Star Wars and Empire and you’ve got mine now.

Fox was never an issue.

Jealous!

darthrush said:

Jackpumpkinhead said:

darthrush said:

Handman said:

Why not stitch together the two scenes before and after they call Maz into one? I wish I had the script, but there should be enough there to show they need a specific codebreaker, and if you cut canto bight entirely, you don’t need to explain why they need to go there.

Finn: "No one can get in there, they scramble the shields code every hour."
Poe: “I think I know someone.”

Cut to Finn and Rose leaving on the shuttle. That’s all you need.

It’s all about the dialogue. I recall him just lifting his head up and then we cut to maz but if he says “I think I know someone” then you can cut straight from there to the radar blip and then you see them pick up Poe’s call on the ship that they found a code breaker. And then you have the scene of him stealing from the ship after that before they arrive at the supremacy. You could also cut down them sneaking around (iron joke, evil BB-8, jokes).

Good thinking Handman, I think that’s the best way I’ve heard yet to cut down Canto Bight.

You’re right about it being all about the dialogue, and unfortunately the dialogue isn’t there. Poe never says, “I think I know someone”. He just looks up and points at Finn. You may be able to lift some audio from another Oscar Isaac film though.

Ha, I knew I wasn’t crazy!

Dammit, I knew I was crazy, but this is really disappointing to see the evidence of it.

Merry Christmas. These past few months, this has been my only refuge, and I’m very thankful for it sometimes.

xxtelecine 7xx said:

SparkySywer said:

The latter two prequels were recorded digitally on 1080p. They will never be on 4k.

That’s simply not true.

You’re right, Attack of the Clones is less than full HD.

Interesting, it looks like we’ll be using a lot of the same ideas, but since there’s still another movie to come, I’m willing to keep some things open in regards to continuity for that film. You’re right that this seems like the last of the saga, but I’m still interested to see where it goes.