I legitimately miss yhwx. I thought he was back from his self-imposed exile, too.
Ah, you’re right, he’s gone. Miss that guy. I just checked his activity and it says he logged in today and edited his last post to delete it.
This is too much. Just watch in release order. Simple as that.
Minus the prequels…
Will anyone give a rat’s ass about the PT ten years from now if the ST concludes successfully?
Does anyone give a rat’s ass about the PT now?
Millennials
Millennial who doesn’t care checking in!
Of course it’s not a rule for every single person in that demographic, that’d be nuts, but in general that’s the demographic who gives a rat’s ass.
Conversely in R1, Vader could simply not levitate the rebel in that corridor. But even more logically consistent would be if he was slow and plodding and actually got hit a few times given that he’s not quite what he once was. But that wouldn’t quite make Vader as menacing as his reputation suggested he was.
Both solutions are far more logical and would allow the films to ‘sync up’ better. But would make each scene individually not as good.
That’s pretty much what I was asking for, and since I didn’t really think the scene was that good to begin with, it doesn’t really bother me. I feel like it could be better executed to still make Vader menacing without looking like a video game and Vader-worship.
Ok well…to each his own. I will say that of all things, that scene was the most pleasurable bit of fan service in the entire film. The fans got to see the Vader they imagined after having seen Ep4. Now it doesnt quite jibe with what we come to learn in subsequent films but it was fun to watch. I enjoy being serviced. But only when it is done well. In 2 films now under Disney there have been many examples of blatant fan servicing but this one worked better than most all others. Just my opinion.
I respect your opinion, and I find it funny that every reason you stated for liking it is the exact reasons I didn’t like it. You actually said it better than me. So I appreciate that, you helped me actually figure out what it specifically was I didn’t like about it. I also apologize for the use of the phrase “Vader-worship”, I think I saw it tossed around earlier in the thread and decided to use it, but it probably came across as a bit stand-offish.
Conversely in R1, Vader could simply not levitate the rebel in that corridor. But even more logically consistent would be if he was slow and plodding and actually got hit a few times given that he’s not quite what he once was. But that wouldn’t quite make Vader as menacing as his reputation suggested he was.
Both solutions are far more logical and would allow the films to ‘sync up’ better. But would make each scene individually not as good.
That’s pretty much what I was asking for, and since I didn’t really think the scene was that good to begin with, it doesn’t really bother me. I feel like it could be better executed to still make Vader menacing without looking like a video game and Vader-worship.
All I can really say is it just doesn’t gel with his actions in the original for me, I tried articulating it but couldn’t really get the words right. You’re correct in not being able to think of a single time Vader using his lightsaber in other situations would have worked, but I would think that would help in saying it doesn’t really work well here. Would Vader go on the boarding party in the first place, is the real question? Every time he appears in action, like on Hoth or the Tantive, he’s there after most of the work has been dealt with. Yes, there’s the time element, but to me it’s not something Vader would really do.
I disagree. I think with this much at risk, it totally makes sense for him to take things into his own hands. There’s never a time in the OT where this much is at stake. Regarding the Tantive; the Rebels were already caught, there was nowhere they could go.
Perhaps, I maintain my final complaint that its execution in the film was lacking. I audibly sighed when I saw the lightsaber go on.
Nothing suggests to me he’d go apeshit either, Vader has always been a character on the verge of outward rage, but acts on it in a very collected manner.
I don’t think Vader was as rage-filled as you make it seem like he was. He was quick, efficient and brutal sure, but he was never Kylo Ren level angry.
Agree completely. He has a very good handle on his rage, and a good sense of humor in ESB’s case.
This is too much. Just watch in release order. Simple as that.
Minus the prequels…
Will anyone give a rat’s ass about the PT ten years from now if the ST concludes successfully?
Does anyone give a rat’s ass about the PT now?
Millennials
All I can really say is it just doesn’t gel with his actions in the original for me, I tried articulating it but couldn’t really get the words right. You’re correct in not being able to think of a single time Vader using his lightsaber in other situations would have worked, but I would think that would help in saying it doesn’t really work well here. Would Vader go on the boarding party in the first place, is the real question? Every time he appears in action, like on Hoth or the Tantive, he’s there after most of the work has been dealt with. Yes, there’s the time element, but to me it’s not something Vader would really do. Nothing suggests to me he’d go apeshit either, Vader has always been a character on the verge of outward rage, but acts on it in a very collected manner.
I’m not really sure how to better explain it. I think my biggest issue with it is it looks like a video game and goes on far too long to make him look awesome when it’s not really earned in my view.
Hi again, first chance to chime in about Vader again despite the topic having kind of shifted from that. So if that’s an issue I apologize.
In regards to the Bespin duel in ESB, comparing that to Vader going apeshit isn’t really the same. There’s so much context to that duel, so much feeling, so much shifting motivations, how Vader just toys with Luke for awhile and then goes all out by the end that it’s not even a fair comparison. In the new one, he just goes apeshit to a level only seen in something like The Force Unleashed, not something I personally want to see films borrow from. There’s no context, no real meaning to it, and it’s the only time he pulls out a lightsaber for anyone not wielding the same, calling to question numerous times he could have done so in the original films. That’s something that would happen in Revenge of the Sith, a film I’d rather not have to be reminded of.
The end of ESB shows Vader does have limitations, Luke was still incredibly inexperienced, why couldn’t Vader just lift him up at any point like he does the Rebels? Why does Vader suddenly seem so much more limitless in what he’s capable of doing with the Force in Rogue One and come across as sort of a putz in the original by comparison? His line in ESB, “Bring my shuttle”, shows just how much rage he was just trying to keep in after having his plans foiled. That’s not the same kind of guy who would just go apeshit to no-name rebels.
In this way, the use of Tarkin was much more faithful to the character, he never does anything we wouldn’t expect him to. But Vader has changed from all the video games and the prequel films reframing his character since the OT that it somehow influenced how he is portrayed right before the events of the original film. It doesn’t mesh. Why would he be okay with sending in the troops onto the Tantive later on when he could just deal with them himself much more effectively? Why wouldn’t he use more effective means to torture the rebel commander on the ship, instead of accidentally kill him clumsily?
It pretty much ruins his original introduction if we’re to believe the Vader in Rogue One is the same Vader in Star Wars.
I know I probably won’t change any minds on this, I’m only speaking for myself. In regards to nobody asking for Yoda and everybody asking for this, I don’t think that’s possible to measure. I’ve heard plenty of the opposite of both from numerous others, that it’s just not a fair thing to assume. Let’s just speak for ourselves if we continue with that.
Anyway, thanks for reading if you made it this far. I don’t think I have much more to add.
The OT relies on itself to build its story, so it should be seen first at all costs. The sequels, and even Rogue One, rely on the OT to continue that story and work as well as they do. For that reason, I don’t think it’s important for the sequel trilogy not to spoil any OT twists, it’s a continuation of that story, the revelations have already been made. I want to know how these characters deal with those revelations, heck they can even be made new again to the new characters. I don’t think it’s important to maintain any mystery revealed in the OT. The prequels, on the other hand, are another story.
I just finished v1 of the SSE again, and continue to be blown away by it. If what I hear about v1.6 is that much better, I can’t wait to be blown away again. Not asking for anything, just stating how impressed I am with the initial effort and how much more impressed I am at its continual improvement.
People have been wanting to see Vader kill Rebels with his own hands for decades. If anything Gareth knew exactly what most people wanted.
This is exactly why it felt like a fan film to me. It’s not something Vader would have done in the original films, it’s what the fans wanted him to do. It’s the same reasoning we had CGI Yoda bounce around in Attack of the Clones.
Huh, I wouldn’t go so far as to say I hated it. I can’t even watch Attack of the Clones from start to finish, with Rogue One I was mostly just bored and winced at some of the callbacks and most of Vader. I wouldn’t say Vader going nuts is worth a 0/10, but I do think it’s severely out of character. A friend of mine said he was reminded of one of the video games featuring Vader, which goes to show what they were going for there. Video games, not the original character as seen in Star Wars and Empire.
Oh dear… Star Wars went full on Marvel-mode. Just saw it today.
Darth Vader is entirely misused here, everything he does is wrong. I felt like I was watching somebody’s fan film, which in a way I suppose I was.
Digital Peter Cushing is vaguely unsettling, bringing to mind questions reminiscent of Jurassic Park.
Callbacks to the original only work some of the time, but only get me excited for a film I’d much rather be watching.
The new characters are boring, only existing to serve the plot, but I suppose if they were developed any more then we might have actually felt something when they died, which is a big no-no for big blockbusters.
The planet names didn’t need on-screen text, they were distracting and I forgot the names anyway. It serves no purpose other than to be different from the other Star Wars films and more like the group of far inferior Marvel films.
The last 30 minutes are good, barring anything Darth Vader does. It gets you pumped to watch the original. It’s a shame that seems to be its end goal, rather than getting me pumped to rewatch this new one.
This is about on par with Return of the Jedi for me. I don’t understand how this could possibly be better than Force Awakens, I was much more invested in the characters of that film.
I’m glad to find I’m not alone in thinking Darth was misused here.
I pretty much agree with CHEWBAKAspelledwrong. I just wish that they didn’t half-ass the Emperor change in Empire Strikes Back and use the ROTS makeup when it’s clearly different from ROTJ. Admittedly the change never needed to be made, but if they had to do it they should have gone all the way.
I’d be interested as well.
Wow, back when I first really started paying attention to OT.com, we didn’t even have access to film prints. Now we’re doing a near-professional digital restoration of them. It’s insane.
I’m a dipwick.
30s and 50s actors were much better than the prequels. And the films of those times are a lot of fun to watch.
In case I wasn’t clear, I was saying that I don’t want to watch those actors in the 30s and 50s if they’re on par with the prequel actors, which was how the article presumably puts it (I didn’t read the article and am just going off the post above). I can’t imagine actors from any time period being worse than what Lucas “directed” in the prequels, so that assertion in the article is almost certainly bunk.
Oh, yeah I got that, I was just being a bit more explicit in saying the same thing I guess.
30s and 50s actors were much better than the prequels. And the films of those times are a lot of fun to watch.
ray_afraid said:
Of course there are. My girlfriend loves the OT as do most of the females I know.
Don’t you mean womanfriend? 😛
Accidental bump. Oops.
A solid response: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/10/04/hoth-white-why-diversity-matters-in-star-wars
Sounds like complete BS to me. I stopped reading that after mentioning things like “white privilege”. Am I the only one who things that people who are obsessed with things like diversity and “positive discrimination” are the biggest racists out there?
No, but this isn’t the Politics thread 😛
Christmas Story 2 is not canon.
This is something that also bothered me when I watched the Blu-ray for the first time. I didn’t even have to listen very hard to realize they screwed something up.
Wow, I didn’t realize how common Aspergers is here. Feels a little weird.
It would be weird if it wasn’t.
Interesting. I don’t think we could not tell her, it’s part of what makes her who she is and who we love.
Indeed, especially since I assume she is very young, she’ll probably need some sort of boost, as I did. Eventually the difficulties associated with my Asbergers faded into the background, or at least weren’t as noticeable to an outsider, and in fact it surprised my closest friend when I mentioned it to him a few years ago. But my folks still treated me as a sort of anomaly, which kind of turned sour after awhile. My experience isn’t really indicative of yours at all, but since you replied I felt the need to further explain myself. I didn’t mean for the topic to sort of switch into a much more personal thing, I don’t think I’ve said this to anyone I actually know personally. Here’s wishing well to you, though.