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The entire post-ROTJ era

The Final Death of the Emperor

The Battle of Onderon in 11 ABY sees Emperor Palpatine, his clones sabotaged by a cabal of Imperials, finally die. The Empire in very swift order collapses, confused Imperials all but abandoning swathes of the Core, including Chandrila, Hosnian Prime and Corellia. Warlords rise in the Deep Core and Southern Core, and fighting takes place on Coruscant itself as the populace rises up against the Empire, isolating Grand Vizier Amedda. Due to how dispersed the Empire was in the aftermath of Operation Shadow Hand, the Empire finds itself fighting on many disjointed fronts, with isolated fiefoms rising in the Southern Rim in the Anoat and Atravis Sectors, even as Kuat is imperiled. What hastens the Empire’s fall is just as much the Empire’s relative military weakness as its dedication to Operation Cinder, which turns whole swathes of the galaxy against the Empire.
Alphabet Squadron, Shattered Empire, Battlefront 2.

The cabal founds the Imperial Ruling Council, in an effort to keep the Empire afloat as the Crimson Empire, connecting with Imperial fortress worlds in the Core and Outer Rim. An effort to rejuvenate the Empire with alien membership begins, but the Council leader, Carnor Jax, is swiftly killed by Kir Kanos.
Crimson Empire I

While the New Republic capital settles on Chandrila, Imperials retreat to Akiva in the Outer Rim in the months after the Emperor’s final death, attempting to create a solution to the Empire’s weakness. This is a ploy by Fleet Admiral Rax to eliminate the opposition, and Admiral Sloane is the only survivor.

Public central Imperial authority is shattered by the Imperial Ruling Council being picked at by the Yuuzhan Vong, Black Sun and finally by a self-proclaimed Emperor. The Battle of Ord Cantrell sees the Council captured and the Empire’s central authority cede to the self-declared Grand Admiral Sloane, who commands the largest portion of the Imperial Navy that remains loyal. The warlords ignore this, and Coruscant and Kuat remain isolated - the latter under constant assault.
Crimson Empire II.

The New Republic captures Kuat, and the Empire offers to sue for peace even as Han Solo leads a campaign to free Kashyyyk, which remains in Imperial hands. After a month of peace, Sloane is duped into attempting to assassinate the New Republic leadership, and the war restarts though Kashyyyk falls, with Naboo becoming a flashpoint.
Aftermath II.

A year after the final death of the Emperor, the Battle of Jakku occurs even though Coruscant remains uncaptured, even as the capital settles on the Mid Rim world of Nakadia. Much of the unified Imperial fleet is destroyed, leaving over a dozen isolated Imperial factions. Grand Vizier Amedda cedes Coruscant to the New Republic, running the provisional government there. At this time Solo’s fourth child is born.
Aftermath III.

In the aftermath of the Battle of Jakku, the New Republic reconstruction efforts on Coruscant sees the gravity of the world draw the Senate there.

A New Era

Reconstruction efforts abound and the Jedi are re-founded in this golden age. The four Solo children are kept separated to protect them, as the peace remains a weak one, with pirates such as Tavira and terrorists such as Daala on the horizon. Similarly, the Restored Empire and Empire Reborn, who do not adhere to the Galactic Concordance, abound in the shadows. The New Republic appoints governors to key worlds that do not join the New Republic wholesale, while Imperial bury into the Unknown Regions to join The informal triumvirate of Maximilian Veers, Rae Sloane, and Brendol Hux are overthrown by the 501st at the behest of sith loyalists led by snoke.
Jedi Academy Trilogy, NuCanon, templin institute.

In the subsequent years, the Imperial Civil War ends and the warlords are all killed or sidelined, with the terrorist element of the Empire burned out by 14 ABY.

A War Winds Down

However, the True Empire is the successor to the Empire, and not a signatory to the Galactic Concordance. It is also, relatively speaking, not a threat and save for a few months of violence, settles behind its borders in a Cold War with the New Republic for nearly five years - though isolated satrapies exist throughout the Outer Rim and galaxy even five years after the Emperor’s final death. In many ways, the Galactic Civil War did end at Jakku. Come 17 ABY, when the Empire and successor Deep Core warlords unify against the New Republic, within weeks the Empire is defeated and withdrawn to the heart of the Deep Core or less than ten sectors in the Rim. Of note in this era is the foundation of the Centrist party, when ex-Imperials are allowed to join the Senate.
Legends generally, and also Mandalorian.

In 19 ABY the Imperial Remnant, which controls eight sectors, sues for peace, eight years after the Emperor’s final death.

Peace in our time

The Bastion Accords are an update of the Galactic Concordance, but the Deep Core Imperials, revealed as the Second Imperium, do not sign. Three years after the Accords they raid the New Republic, but fail abysmally, notwithstanding the rumoured return of Palpatine (which was in-fact a hologram fake), a Dark Jedi army (destroyed), and an alliance with the ever resurgent Nightsisters (who are crushed). The New Republic deals with any threat to its legitimacy for the next six years. Generally however, the three years of the Solo children - Jacen and Jaina; Anakin; Ben, have their own trials to face but it is unfortunately easy to say that Ben loses out more than his siblings.
Hand of Thrawn Duology, YJK arc

The New Jedi Order

In 25 ABY the Yuuzhan Vong arrive and the war goes poorly for the New Republic, Imperial Remnant and other powers - and the Skywalker/Solo family, who lose Chewbacca at Sernpidal and Mara Jade Skywalker suffers from illness. Taking advantage of the chaos, the Sith Eternal sabotage Chiss controls over the Killiks, triggering a Chiss Civil War and smashing the Empire of the Hand, disrupting the balance of power in the region as Coruscant falls to the Yuuzhan Vong - and Anakin Solo dies, a dark moment not balanced out by the birth of Ben Skywalker and Mara’s recovery. A year later the survivors of the New Republic, Imperial Remnant, Hapans and Hutts form a Galactic Alliance against the invaders, and a year after that the Yuuzhan Vong are defeated and the Sekot Accords signed, ending the war in 29 ABY. Jacen and Jaina are lauded as heroes, and Ben narrowly misses out on being sent to the Maw due to his age with the other Jedi children, instead remaining on the move, and, yet again, separated from his family for nearly four years. Chewbacca’s actual survival buoys the family shortly after the war, Han discovering that the Wookiee had been caught up in the refugee trap for the war. After the Yuuzhan Vong War the New Republic remains a signatory of the Galactic Alliance with the Remnant, Hapans and Hutts, the New Republic capital settling on Hosnian Prime while the Alliance one settles on Denon and, later, the recaptured and somewhat restored Coruscant.

The Galactic Alliance

Jacen heads on a sojourn to broaden his knowledge of the Force, while Jaina becomes a frontline Jedi Knight. Concerned by Ben’s darkness, Leia asks Luke to personally tutor him while she returns to the New Republic Senate. Han and Chewbacca enter the racing circuit in the meantime. In the background of this all, The Sith Eternal grows in the Unknown Regions, and the One Sith seek to take advantage of the strains of the newly unified galaxy. Gridlock consumes the New Republic Senate in the form of the Populist and Centrist parties, and the Galactic Alliance creates a smaller Senate to manage the affairs of the galaxy, with various worlds opting for dual membership. Worlds which fully join the GA have membership requirements to fulfill, and opt out of the Galactic Concordance. This includes Corellia, Bothawui, Commenor, Kashyyyk and other worlds, who create fleets in excess that the Concordance would allow. The Remnant donates the Megador to the GA Navy, and the New Republic donates the Bounty and the Fifth Fleet. Four new GA fleets are created of newer designs. Garm Bel Iblis takes the reins as NR Supreme Commander, with the NR retaining the Guardian, Viscount and Harbinger dreadnoughts.
Stitching, implied, Bloodline.

Twenty four years after the Emperor’s final death, or, 35 ABY


The Napkin Bombings and the revelation of her parentage to a new generation of Senators sees Leia removed from the Senate and found the Resistance to find the true culprits behind the conspiracy within the Centrist party. Leia and Han reunite aboard the Falcon, helping out the GA and Jedi as necessary - the crisis causing Luke to return home and care for his own Ben with Mara. Towards the latter part of the year, the Killiks reach the Chiss border and the Dark Nest within the Killik Colony draws Jedi into the conflict, causing the Hapans to intervene at the behest of Jacen and the GA guarantee a Chiss-Killik peace with the Treaty of Qoribu. Leia decides to develop her Jedi heritage, even as strain shows between the Jedi and GA.
Bloodline, Joiner King.

A year later the Chiss and Killiks fall into the Swarm War at Jacen’s instigation, who has had a secret daughter, Allana, with Tenel Ka, the Hapan Queen Mother.

Alliance in Crisis

This results in Luke taking the position of Grandmaster and the Jedi stepping in with the GA to kill the Dark Jedi at the heart of the Dark Nest (who were in-fact Sith), and restore the Killiks to their natural state. The situation is strained as the Hapan intervention is said to have caused the overall crisis, but the Swarm War is over within a month at the Battle of Tenupe, and the Colony is made unable to reconstitute. The GA guarantees peace again, but Chiss casualties are such that relations between them and the GA are very strained. The conflict also exposed that many systems are happy to arm their enemies; both Corellia and Kuat armed the Killiks in the intervening year.
The Swarm War.

A year later the GA Senate, concerned by the growth of member states militias, enacted legislation to reduce local fleets and increase contributions to the GA central Navy.

Legacy Of The Force

The Remnant, New Republic and Hapans agree; the New Republic hands a fleet to the GA, which becomes the Ninth Fleet, and the Hapans contribute the Seventh and Eighth Fleet. This creates a tension between Coruscant and Corellia, Commenor, Bothawui and Nal Hutta, who do not agree. Dark Lady of the Sith Lumiya weaves these into a Confederation against the GA, corrupting Jacen Solo into Darth Caedus to oppose Corellia rearming the Celestial superweapon; Centerpoint. Within eight months the GA is split into the GA, Confederation, Hapans and the Imperial Remnant, Mara Jade Skywalker is dead at Jacen’s hands, Centerpoint is destroyed, Lumiya and Caedus are killed, Corellia, Fondor, Commenor, Roche, Mandalore and Kashyyyk are devastated, and two thirds of the GA’s overall military strength is spent. The The Sith Eternal and indeed the One Sith, watching from the wings, could not be more pleased, but the conflict also created the triple threats of a Sith Meditation Sphere, a Lost Tribe of the Sith, and allowed Daala, who had never surrendered to the New Republic, GA or the Jedi, to step in as an anti-Jedi candidate - the Jedi having both failed to stop Jacen soon enough and then forced the warring parties to the negotiating table by gunpoint - the end of 37 ABY and start of 38 ABY are devastating for the future of the galaxy. Events move so swiftly that the New Republic cannot shake itself from its stupor to support or condemn either side, simply keeping its forces at Hosnian Prime and out of the fighting while proxies do the hard work; a formula they repeat to avoid conflict with the First Order.
Legacy of the Force, moved to 37 ABY as Betrayal implies.

Circa 40 ABY, the tensions hidden by the Galactic Alliance emerge.

Fate Of The Jedi

The Lost Tribe is exposed by Abeloth, an ancient Old One released by the destruction of Centerpoint, and she rampages through the galaxy attacking Force cults until she takes control of the Tribe - and takes Coruscant from the GA with a mass infiltration. Daala has just been overthrown by the Jedi by using the Mandalorians to end slave uprisings, and they are caught out. Abeloth is revealed to be far beyond their conception, and an Apocalypse on Coruscant ensues, with the Tribe decapitated and crippled, and the One Sith Dark Lord, Darth Krayt, intervenes to assist Luke in defeating Abeloth, as much as Ben Skywalker comes of age with the foil of the young Sith Vestara Khai opposing him. The Jedi leave Coruscant at the request of the GA, sending Knights to track down the Mortis Dagger, assembling in the Hapes Cluster, which remains separate from the GA, as much as the Remnant does. The GA could thus be said to have failed in its central goal of unifying the New Republic, Remnant, Hapans and so forth.
Fate of the Jedi.

Luke, Han and Leia decide at this point to retire, with Luke settling to lead classes of students, which again includes Ben who is not as progressed as his siblings even now, but remains powerful in the Force - and of interest to Snoke.

The Rise Of The First Order

A conflict between Ben and Luke has disastrous consequences; all the New Jedi Order students are killed, as well as several resident masters and students, and Ben vanishes into the Unknown Regions with Snoke, becoming Kylo Ren, master of the Knights of Ren. Devastated, Luke leaves, and Han and Leia split in blame for events. Coinciding, the First Order evolves from a social movement to a full blown secession crisis as they secede from the New Republic and Imperial Remnant, among those sectors being several key regions to the Remnant. The Moffs dissolve the Remnant, and Bastion is isolated by the secession - Jaina and Jagged become embroiled in keeping supply lines open to Bastion, an effort centered around the Megador, even as Ben and Tahiri continue their hunt for Vestara, even as the Tribe nips at the Jedi, and even as the Ten Knights continue their hunt for Mortis. The Council fractures in light of the death of so many Jedi, and so many goals, which does not even account for Jacen’s Dark Man. The Masters retreat into hiding as the forces of darkness hunt the Jedi, and Leia dedicates herself to the Resistance, which she had set up and left to Admiral Ackbar to run in the interim; his death having been misreported during the closing hours of the Yuuzhan Vong War.

In the intervening year the First Order bullies the New Republic and the Volunteer group known as The Resistance rushes to find enough evidence to convince the New Republic to declare war, even as the First Order rush to complete Starkiller Base and locate Luke… even while deflecting as much attention as possible from its assets in the Unknown Regions.

There has been an awakening

Thirty years after the final death of Palpatine, the First Order destroys Hosnian Prime as The Sith Eternal invades the shattered New Republic as the first order simultaneously attacks the republic from within, which has lost much of its Navy, the Chancellor, the Senate and Supreme Commander Bel Iblis, as well as all its dreadnoughts. Though the Resistance, with the aid of Han, Chewbacca and the Force prodigy Rey manage to punch far, far above their weight and destroy Starkiller Base(albeit not before it destroys the Hosnian system), the dreadnoughts Fulminatrix and Supremacy - and Kylo Ren even kills Snoke and takes the throne as the Supreme Leader - all within a week of the invasion commencing, the galaxy is still completely at the mercy of the Sith Eternal.

In a year, the First Order moves to recover from the loss of Supremacy and Starkiller Base, the former both its capital and mobile shipyards.

Sith Eternal-New Republic War

The Sith Eternal occupies Corellia, Fondor and Mon Calamari in the face of the Resistance rushing to even survive the catastrophe, having similarly been devastated at the battles of D’Qar and Crait. The Volunteer groups all over the galaxy manage to steal enough ships to rebuild and continue the conflict as the republic licks its wounds, the republic manages to survive, but the battles are often fraught with danger and the Sith Eternal has an overwhelming advantage - but not an absolute one. Matters are coming to a head, and then… what of the galaxy thereafter? Darth Krayt still watches, and waits, enjoying the chance to build his numbers anew and higher than ever. Using an ancient ritual, sith cultists manage to drain Luke’s life force to revive the emperor in preparation for the final order.

The Spark of Hope

The Second Galactic Alliance(dubbed the Free Worlds Alliance) reforms as the volunteer groups are either absorbed into the alliance military wholesale or aided behind enemy lines, The Alliance succeeding in pushing back the enemy from the core systems and are closing in on coruscant. On the eve of Operation Erso, which involved a military coup from within the Sith Eternal to coincide with a massive counteroffensive that happened to coincide with Kylo’s sabbatical to Mustafar, communications went dead as nine free worlds were destroyed by Xyston-Class Star Destroyers that emerged from the unknown regions before broadcasting a message from emperor palpatine demanding unconditional surrender with the promise of a destruction of 9 worlds every two weeks. Cutting themselves off from various volunteer groups, the Alliance’s rhetoric shifted to a complete surrender to the sith eternal. Only for Lando Calrissian to fly to the heart of the Free Worlds Alliance and broadcast a message of hope, the fel imperium(having absorbed the Chiss ascendency) use their skills to aid Lando and the free worlds fleet to traverse the everchanging clouds of Exegol’s barrier(the ever changing barrier making the coordinates that Lando has useless) and bring an end to the sith eternal once and for all.

The next trilogy should be about Rey searching for “the lost jedi” whom are legends favorites

The Ultimate Star Wars Saga

DuracellEnergizer said:

I’ve been doing some worldbuilding, and here’s what I’ve got nailed down for the SWS:RE Universe:

  • The setting is our own Milky Way, some 25,000 years into the future.
  • Earth has either been abandoned/forgotten or become the city-planet Had Abbadon.
  • The Galactic Republic is 10,000-18,000 years old and spans a million worlds.
  • The known galaxy spans 25% of the Milky Way.
  • Excluding genetically divergent subspecies, just over three dozen sapient races inhabit the known galaxy.
  • Though not particularly speciesist, the Galactic Republic is an almost entirely human/near-human domain. There are very few member worlds with significant non-human populations, and human/non-human admixture is almost unheard of outside the Outer Rim territories.
  • Strong AI doesn’t exist. “Thinking machines” are actually cyborgs — robot bodies controlled by cultured organic brains.
  • Manned fightercraft are considered archaic and hopelessly cumbersome in modern warfare. Armed forces tend to use either remote-controlled fighters or robot fighters in combat. Remote-controlled fighters have some advantage over robots, as an organic pilot can outwit the weak AI of robot fighters. However, in the event that a remote-controlled fighter is heavily damaged or destroyed, feedback through the neural interface can kill or brain-damage the organic controller.
  • Lightsabers are entirely mystical, non-technological weapons which can only be constructed and ignited by trained Force adepts. At the heart of every lightsaber is a kyber crystal, the colour of which is shaped by the psyche/preferences of the adept who meditates over it. The blade of a lightsaber is paper-thin, with monomolecular edges. They don’t generate heat, but cut through almost any material by severing covalent bonds.
  • Force-sensitivity isn’t genetic; it cannot be inherited patrilineally, and clones of Force-sensitives will not inherit their template’s Force-sensitivity. However, Force-sensitivity is often passed on matrilineally. And if one child in a set of twins (identical or fraternal) is Force-sensitive, their sibling(s) are invariably Force-sensitive as well.
  • All space flight and space combat is in three dimensions.
  • Single-biome worlds capable of supporting complex life are rare and often marginally habitable. Life on Hoth is limited to the equator, life on Tatooine to the poles, etc.
  • Hyperspace travel is relatively slow. Travel between Tatooine and Alderaan — both Outer Rim planets — takes five days along a good hyperlane.

Love most of these ideas

One idea to suggest

Hyperspace speed is severely slow

It takes five months to get across the Galaxy in the fastest possible speed

The Rise Of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?

adywan said:

Hadrian sunrider said:

StarkillerAG said:

Dude, stop trying to blame everything on TLJ. That movie wasn’t universally hated like you think, most people actually liked it. The reason Solo bombed was because of Disney’s terrible marketing decisions, and TROS’s performance is actually pretty good for the third installment of a series. The anger of a few hardcore fans had nothing to do with it.

Revenge of the sith made more than AOTC

Return of the Jedi was dead even with empire strikes back

The sequel trilogy just went downhill with every installment with its latter two installments having the worst legs in December box office history

Do you really want to argue with math?

Well, lets talk the maths…

Stats or original release for the OT:

ANH - $503,015,849
ESB - $400,083,259
ROTJ - $374,593,074

And those were different times than now. Before the internet and before the rise of the internet trolls and “youtubers” shitting all over everything. ROTJ broke weekend box office records, but the numbers dropped pretty fast after the first week.

Sith made more than AOTC because of the hype surrounding Vader appearing in it and people hoping it would feel more like the OT. They wanted to see the Vader hunting down the jedi, they wanted to see the duel over lava and anakin become vader. It is something fans had wanted to see for decades. You can’t beat that type of hype.

So lets use other stats. Ticket sales. Est # ticket sales for each film (domestic) in ascending order:

ANH 178,119,500
TFA 108,115,100
ESB 98,213,400
ROTJ 94,059,400
TPM 90,312,100
TLJ 67,594,500
ROTS 59,324,600
ROS 54,984,300
AOTC 53,468,500

Jesus, fans must have hated ESB. Just look at how many less tickets were sold for that films compared to its predecessor.

The sequel trilogy performed perfectly well. You have to remember that China is a HUGE market for the film industry and its only in recent years that China has even shown any of the Star Wars films. So they haven’t grown up with the films and have an attachment to them as we all do. So a big chunk of the box office market is gone right there. Yet all three earned over $1 billion.

Solo under-performing had nothing to do with TLJ either. Right from the films announcement a lot of the fanbase just wasn’t that interested in the idea of it. Having someone playing Han Solo who wasn’t Harrison Ford turned them off the film right away. That was back in 2015, when Star Wars fever was at a high, 6 months prior to TFA being released. And then followed all the reports of the troubles during the making of it etc. That really didn’t help.

Then you had George jumping in and throwing his dummy out the pram after TFA because they didn’t use his story treatments> calling Disney the “white slavers” etc. You have that section of the fanbase that were loyal to george that decided they were going to boycott the Disney Star Wars out of loyalty to George.

On top of that you had the “Legends” crown that were boycotting everything because “Disney destroyed our Star Wars”

But what is really turning fans off Star Wars, isn’t the movies or TV series, but a certain section of the fanbase. Sucking the fun out of any online discussion about the franchise. You can’t even discuss the Disney films without a bunch of assholes jumping in, telling them that they are an idiot/ moron who must have low IQ if they liked the ST.

Wow…a 4 million ticket decline

Such a disaster

TLJ and TROS still dropped worse than any of the Star Wars sequels

And it’s not the fans that are killing the hype for Star Wars…it is the lack of interesting characters with long term value.

I have yet to see someone who wants to see Rey ever again

I could find a million fans who want Vader to be given a tv series or a movie

I can find no one who wants to see Rey even mentioned in future films

That is what is killing Star Wars.

The Rise Of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?

If there was an episode 10…episode 9 would have flopped

Audiences barely turned up for episode 9 which was the finale of the trilogy and had palpatine in it

Do you honestly think that episode 9 would even cross a billion if it wasn’t the end?

Do you honestly think that audiences would tolerate an episode 10 starring these characters?

Reconstructing the Sequel Trilogy

Anakin Starkiller said:

The First Order and the Resistance work just fine if you change one small detail: they’re both funded by the Republic. Now it becomes a proxy war between two rival parties within the system. Snoke could be some rich senator.

I got one better

The resistance is funded by the republic

While the First order is funded by the Fel Imperium

This is just one of their countless millions of proxy wars that are waging all across the Galaxy simultaneously

What's your take on Emperor Palpatine being brought back for The Rise of Skywalker?

darklordoftech said:

I guess they felt that you after defeating Hitler, David Duke is an anti-climactic big bad.

Anyway, I find it interesting that while Dark Empire says that Sidious learned how to Essence Transfer from the Tedryn Holocron sometime after ROTS and the Plagueis novel says the Banites lost the knowledge of Essence Transfer as a result of Darth Gravid and that Plagueis wasn’t interested in Essence Transfer, the Rise of Skywalker novelization makes it sound like Plagueis taught Essence Transfer to Sidious.

It’s very likely that canon plagueis and canon bane are the same character

Bane having succeeded in transferring his essence from one body to the next for a thousand years before meeting palpatine

The Rise Of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?

StarkillerAG said:

Dude, stop trying to blame everything on TLJ. That movie wasn’t universally hated like you think, most people actually liked it. The reason Solo bombed was because of Disney’s terrible marketing decisions, and TROS’s performance is actually pretty good for the third installment of a series. The anger of a few hardcore fans had nothing to do with it.

Revenge of the sith made more than AOTC

Return of the Jedi was dead even with empire strikes back

The sequel trilogy just went downhill with every installment with its latter two installments having the worst legs in December box office history

Do you really want to argue with math?

What's your take on Emperor Palpatine being brought back for The Rise of Skywalker?

The perfect plot decision to summarize a pointless trilogy

Reborn Palpatine is such the perfect demonstration of the sequel trilogy’s lack of justification for its very existence that it isn’t even funny.

It also disarms anyone claiming that the sequel trilogy is anything else other than a creatively bankrupt trilogy

The sequel trilogy pushed boundaries

screenshot of palpatine

The sequel trilogy isn’t lifeless fan service

screenshot of palpatine

The sequel trilogy took risks

screenshot of palpatine

The sequel trilogy respected the original trilogy

screenshot of palpatine

Literally destroys any defense of the sequel trilogy

The Rise Of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?

OutboundFlight said:

To be fair… enthusiasm for Star Wars was at an all-time low. At least that’s how I saw things irl… in 2015 the marketing for Star Wars was huge. Everyone talked about it that December. Then in 2016 and 2017, the excitement was less than in 2015 but still far-reaching. Everyone was at least aware of the Star Wars movie coming out even if they weren’t planning on watching it.

But in 2019 everyone was… tired? At least from what I saw, there wasn’t much general excitement for the movie. Maybe the marketing was too focused on “the end” when everyone knew Disney would keep making movies. Maybe this was the first movie without the return of an iconic character (Han/Vader/Luke). Or maybe it wasn’t Disney’s fault at all and three was just the magic number for people to become tired with the franchise.

I don’t think it had anything to do with low reactions to TFA or TLJ, but there definitely was a dip in enthusiasm among general audiences.

The issue is this…why are people so easily tired of Star Wars if marvel released 6 movies within a span of two years?

It has 100 percent to do with TLJ…the tired feeling that you described started after TLJ, climaxed with the bombing of solo in 2018, and had its logical conclusion in 2019

TROS making less than a R rated joker movie and only making a billion because of its finale factor and palpatine

There is no such thing as Star Wars fatigue…there is only bad movie fatigue

And TLJ was one bad movie too many(speaking to the sheer toxicity of its storytelling decisions)

The Rise Of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?

TROS only made a billion because it was more of a sequel to TFA than TLJ and it had palpatine and the finale effect had a positive impact as well.

If it doubled down on TLJ’s story direction or refused to bring back palpatine or was part 1 in a two parter…or god forbid all three…than I would not be surprised if it struggled to make justice league numbers(600 million)

Don’t underestimate how many people loathed the direction that TLJ was going in and how TROS was lucky to make the money it did

The Rise Of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?

Hoop28 said:

Abrams and Terrio are both competent writers, they were just poor choices for Episode IX. They tried to please everyone, make a crowd-pleasing movie that made everyone feel warm and fuzzy inside, but that’s not how it works. Attempting to please all factors involved and injecting your movie with fanservice is never a good idea. It only worked on TFA because of competent character writing from Arndt and Kasdan.

I would argue that TFA didn’t work

People never liked TFA…people tolerated TFA

People were genuinely hoping that future installments would improve the more questionable aspects of TFA

The reason TLJ fell at the box office so quickly and it’s backlash became so violent that TROS barely grossed a billion was because of pent up rage against TFA

People never liked the first order, loathed the resistance, and hoped that the new republic was still alive till TLJ confirmed that it wasn’t and that the resistance and the first order were the main factions

Than the shit storm hit

There is a reason why the final order completely overshadows the first order in episode 9

Reconstructing the Sequel Trilogy

Different villians: sith purebloods, the story of the ST is the OT cast confronting the darkest hour of the republics past and wrestle with the subject of genocide and reparations, as the republic ordered a sith holocaust in the past. The sith pureblood faction is called “The Sith’ari Dominion”

Different heroes: a sith pureblood defector turned Jedi, a princess and senator from the Hapes consortium trying to politically manipulate stuff behind the scenes to avoid further bloodshed, and a mandalorian Jedi trained by Luke Skywalker who will develop an LGBT relationship with the sith pureblood defector and train him in the ways of the force…an enemies to partners, partners to friends, friends to lovers story.

Different story: the mandalorian hegemony is secretly provoking war between the republic and the sith’ari dominion in order to sell weapons to both sides, the use of WMDs weakens both factions as the Hegemony plans to invade and conquer both weakened factions with our heroes forced to stop the war before it is too late.

Different republic: the free planets alliance was in a generations long war Against The Fel imperium, eventually leading to a merger of the factions called the United republic after the Moff Council betrayed the fel fynasty, the United republic is at war with the Sith’ari Dominion

The Rise Of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?

The plan is overvalued as it doesn’t take into account audience rejection

Audiences might not like where you are about to take this franchise, it doesn’t matter if you planned it from the beginning, the second you implement it the audience will reject it.

Audiences don’t like Rey or the fact that she is going to restore the Jedi order, no amount of execution is going to save an idea that audiences simply won’t accept.

The fantastic beasts franchise is obviously meticulously planned, but audiences don’t like the shit Rowling is selling from a foundational level.

Planning for palpatine’s return since the beginning isn’t going to make the idea any less shitty

You might be put in a situation where audiences demand something other than you planned and you will have to scrap your story and reboot mid series in order to avoid audience rejection.

Which puts us back to where we came from with the ST(and how episode 9 came out of nowhere)

We don’t need a plan, we need good ideas