Hadrian sunrider

TROS only made a billion because it was more of a sequel to TFA than TLJ and it had palpatine and the finale effect had a positive impact as well.

If it doubled down on TLJ’s story direction or refused to bring back palpatine or was part 1 in a two parter…or god forbid all three…than I would not be surprised if it struggled to make justice league numbers(600 million)

Don’t underestimate how many people loathed the direction that TLJ was going in and how TROS was lucky to make the money it did

Hoop28 said:

Abrams and Terrio are both competent writers, they were just poor choices for Episode IX. They tried to please everyone, make a crowd-pleasing movie that made everyone feel warm and fuzzy inside, but that’s not how it works. Attempting to please all factors involved and injecting your movie with fanservice is never a good idea. It only worked on TFA because of competent character writing from Arndt and Kasdan.

I would argue that TFA didn’t work

People never liked TFA…people tolerated TFA

People were genuinely hoping that future installments would improve the more questionable aspects of TFA

The reason TLJ fell at the box office so quickly and it’s backlash became so violent that TROS barely grossed a billion was because of pent up rage against TFA

People never liked the first order, loathed the resistance, and hoped that the new republic was still alive till TLJ confirmed that it wasn’t and that the resistance and the first order were the main factions

Than the shit storm hit

There is a reason why the final order completely overshadows the first order in episode 9

Duel of fates was 2 rewrites away from serving as a great epilogue to the skywalker saga

The structural issues is that Rey and Kylo’s duel has nothing to do with what is happening on coruscant, this needs fixing

Different villians: sith purebloods, the story of the ST is the OT cast confronting the darkest hour of the republics past and wrestle with the subject of genocide and reparations, as the republic ordered a sith holocaust in the past. The sith pureblood faction is called “The Sith’ari Dominion”

Different heroes: a sith pureblood defector turned Jedi, a princess and senator from the Hapes consortium trying to politically manipulate stuff behind the scenes to avoid further bloodshed, and a mandalorian Jedi trained by Luke Skywalker who will develop an LGBT relationship with the sith pureblood defector and train him in the ways of the force…an enemies to partners, partners to friends, friends to lovers story.

Different story: the mandalorian hegemony is secretly provoking war between the republic and the sith’ari dominion in order to sell weapons to both sides, the use of WMDs weakens both factions as the Hegemony plans to invade and conquer both weakened factions with our heroes forced to stop the war before it is too late.

Different republic: the free planets alliance was in a generations long war Against The Fel imperium, eventually leading to a merger of the factions called the United republic after the Moff Council betrayed the fel fynasty, the United republic is at war with the Sith’ari Dominion

The plan is overvalued as it doesn’t take into account audience rejection

Audiences might not like where you are about to take this franchise, it doesn’t matter if you planned it from the beginning, the second you implement it the audience will reject it.

Audiences don’t like Rey or the fact that she is going to restore the Jedi order, no amount of execution is going to save an idea that audiences simply won’t accept.

The fantastic beasts franchise is obviously meticulously planned, but audiences don’t like the shit Rowling is selling from a foundational level.

Planning for palpatine’s return since the beginning isn’t going to make the idea any less shitty

You might be put in a situation where audiences demand something other than you planned and you will have to scrap your story and reboot mid series in order to avoid audience rejection.

Which puts us back to where we came from with the ST(and how episode 9 came out of nowhere)

We don’t need a plan, we need good ideas

AD576 said:

Hadrian sunrider said:

AD576 said:

Yes, it’s still in progress. There’s a lot of changes to it so it might take a few weeks. But I do plan on uploading it once I’m finished.

Love how you replaced Vallum with Ragnos

Really improves connectivity to past Star Wars stories

Thank you, I thought that Tor Vallum kind of contradicted the whole “Rule of Two”. So I did some research and remembered Ragnos from Jedi Academy. I loved the idea of a twisted version of the force ghost and I implemented that into the story. I’m planning on writing a new scene in my 3rd draft where there’s a bit more expansion instead of introducing the character and then the next scene killing him off.

Maybe have a flashback where young palpatine was looking for the secret to immortality from him…hence why palpatine would instruct Vader to take Luke to ragnos

Maybe even add a reference to the now canonical fact that palpatine planned on taking Luke’s body after he killed his father and had no intention of ever really making Luke his apprentice

Maybe this “young palpatine” is really darth bane…where it is revealed that darth bane and palpatine are the same person who had been body-hopping into apprentices for the past 1,000 years.

It is revealed that it was Ragnos who gave darth bane the secret to essence transfer which allowed him to possess his apprentices.

And kylo wants to learn the secret of force draining from him.

Love how your rewrite takes into account the three dimensions of space

One change I want to suggest is to progress through hyperspace technology

Hypergates are the sole means of interstellar travel…as we progress through the series we see hyperspace tech advance

hyper-gates>>>hyper-rings for large battle stations>>>hyperspace rings for capital ships>>> hyperspace engines>>>hyperspace weapons

AD576 said:

Yes, it’s still in progress. There’s a lot of changes to it so it might take a few weeks. But I do plan on uploading it once I’m finished.

Love how you replaced Vallum with Ragnos

Really improves connectivity to past Star Wars stories

AD576 said:

Thank you for your feedback, I’ll defiantly consider it when I make the third draft.

Writing that third draft?

StarkillerAG said:

Hadrian sunrider said:

No way I can tell this story in one trilogy. Trust me, I have this Star Wars reboot pitch that is even more radical than anything on this forum that essentially is the whose who of the legends and Disney canon(aphra, thrawn, Kyle katarn, lord Hoth). You will literally see almost everyone on this f@cking saga in the movie at some point…and none of them will be “normal”.

Wow. I read through that whole thing, and it was… different. I actually think you could change the names and pitch it as an original sci-fi franchise, and it would probably be a lot better.

I did recycle huge chunks of it into an original sci fi verse

My rationale for these radical changes is to avoid creating a Disney remake…instead creating a story that stands on its own as a unique take on the Star Wars franchise

Ed Slushie said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfcS-uuI8A4

Taking this further

The politics are way more complex, intricate and nuanced than the original saga.

Featuring an unflinching look on how class struggle and inequality that is inherent in the capitalist system can lead to authoritarianism and revolution.

The story can also be repurposed into an original story set centuries after ROTJ if need be

Ed Slushie said:

Star Wars is a famously massive, expansive universe taking place across multiple eras and every corner of the galaxy. And yet, practically every new thing to come out of the series (at least, every new movie) since Return of the Jedi has been criticized, to some extent, for feeling repetitive. Lately, I’ve been wondering: What if the writers of the original trilogy had somehow had access to the entire canon (Disney and Legends continuities) to draw from for ideas? And, for the sake of the thought experiment, been given unlimited time, money, and technology as well?
How might the trilogy have gone differently?

No way I can tell this story in one trilogy. Trust me, I have this Star Wars reboot pitch that is even more radical than anything on this forum that essentially is the whose who of the legends and Disney canon(aphra, thrawn, Kyle katarn, lord Hoth). You will literally see almost everyone on this f@cking saga in the movie at some point…and none of them will be “normal”.

Let me give you a sneak peek

Anakin was born 1,000 years before “TPM” As he was frozen by the vacuum of space, The reason why is dark.

Anakin Skywalker is a sith Holocaust survivor, who is not even human.

Padme, Obi-Wan And “the emperor” are also reinvented heavily

Padme is Abeloth…her death caused anakin to try to resurrect her using the device from Darth Vader immortal, leading to the creation of An abomination that wants to “protect” her children From Anakin…her children are raised by anakin as a single father, This resurrection transformed the once beautiful world of Naboo into the hellish world of MUstafar.

Obi-Wan is a cathar who is “the same age”(anakin is a thousand years old) as anakin and is more of a brother than a father figure to anakin…and they have sexual tension towards each-other.

The emperor isn’t male, nor a constant presence. The empress is the ruler of the Sith pureblood empire that exists in the unknown regions waiting on the perfect time to strike, Her goal is to create an alchemical ritual that will allow her to absorb all life in the galaxy in order to become a living Goddess, Empress shiva is also Anakin’s Twin sister and is essentially female Darth Vitiate meets dark empire palpatine reborn. She is a self loathing female misogynist who had to work 10 times harder to get to where she is today despite massive sexism among the Sith species. She is the night king of the series, the thanos level threat whose arrival is built up like a apocalyptic event…her identity as anakin’s sister being a secret held for a long time.

The chosen one Prophecy is the dyad of the force…revealed to be Luke and Leia, who are destined to destroy the empress, Luke skywalker turns to the dark side and is basically a weird reinvention of Kylo Ren while leia is a weird reinvention of Rey while Han is not even human but also a Cathar.

Anakin’s Human father is Darth Bane…who abused anakin and his sister when they were kids before anakin nearly killed him and basically exiled the asshole with his force powers…who would later become a sith himself that would use essence transfer to scheme against the republic from the shadows.

Anakin Skywalker’s story only gets stranger from here

The foundational structural issue lies with the fact that the duel on Mortis has f@ck all to do with anything happening on coruscant

This undermines the story

It needs restructuring but has a perfect plotline otherwise

The story is about the heroes using the force beacon to incite a revolution against the first order…that is unique already

The structural issues however are a big problem

We need a plot device that gets kylo on coruscant to fight rey on coruscant in a battle that centers on kylo and his plans.

This could have been solved with stealing the climax of fullmetal alchemist and having coruscant be the center of an alchemical ritual meant to absorb all life in the galaxy and turn kylo ren into a living god, a ritual he discovered by studying the holocron of darth plagueis(snoke) And he needs to learn force draining from Tor Valum in order to learn how to absorb so much godly power…putting Rey and kylo in the middle of the battle of coruscant and adding bigger stakes to the story that is befitting of the final Skywalker movie. To connect the stories better, you could have each of the millions of planets in the galaxy have 36 obelisks on them that is supposed to absorb the life force of each planet and than beam that life force energy to coruscant and specifically the citadel structure that is supposed to in turn beam it to kylo and turn him into a God. The beacon under the temple will send a telepathic transmission to every living sentient being in the galaxy to warn them of this ritual and organize an uprising to take down the obelisks before kylo consumes all in this mad quest for godhood and immortality, this could also be what kylo believes darth Vader had started who also desired infinite power to attain immortality.

This would have formed a strong foundation for episode 9

Tor valum could easily be a flashback to the past, where kylo learns of the force draining technique and decides to become a god by absorbing the entire galaxy.

What if a sith pureblood empire with an army of sith seeking revenge for the sith holocaust invaded during the clone wars

Anakin Starkiller said:

I see you took cues from DotF.

Definitely the gist(battle of coruscant, force beacon, grassroots revolution)

But vader, palpatine and luke are actually involved and the alchemical ritual serves as a ticking clock…unlike in DOTF where whatever ben and rey are doing have absolutely nothing to do with the plot on coruscant as Jenny nicolson states in her review for duel of fates.

As for palpatine’s plan…he intends to provoke luke into killing his father so that the emperor can transfer his essence into luke after he blackened his soul just enough for possession, whose connection to the force along with palpatine’s knowledge of force draining will allow for palpatine to smoothly transition to godhood. It is revealed that palpatine is darth bane, who had been possessing the bodies of his apprentices for the past 1,000 years. He wanted to possess anakin before his body was ruined and now sets his sights on luke.

Basically a mixture between return of the jedi, TROS and duel of fates with a heavy dose of fullmetal alchemist.

The beacon sends a telepathic message to every living being in the galaxy, provoking revolutionary fever that will permanently reshape galactic politics as every planetary obelisk is destroyed by the people(not rebels, just normal people) bringing about an era of revolution against all forms of unjust hierarchies.

Opening crawl

For more than 20 years, the now-disbanded imperial senate’s greatest obstacle to restoring the republic’s democratic institutions was a golden age of economic growth which incentivized the people to overwhelmingly support emperor palpatine’s reign.
A popularity that vanished after the collapse of the imperial economy due to the immense construction costs and subsequent destruction of the death star along with its role in the destruction of alderaan, leading to the rebel alliance’s exponential growth. The emperor mysteriously shuts down all galactic communications as reports surfaced from the millions of the worlds from across the empire that their imperial black obelisks are glowing red.
Luke Skywalker and his allies are captured by jabba the hutt during their rescue of han solo, forcing them to launch a desperate plan to escape.

The basic plot

The movie begins with luke, han and leia vs jabba and his goons over the sarlac pitt…beginning the story in earnest.

Afterwards

Luke Skywalker discovers that for the past 20 years, emperor palpatine has been planning an alchemical ritual that will absorb all life in the galaxy in order for palpatine to become a living God. However, all communication between planets have been completely severed. Luke skywalker launches a daring plan to activate the force beacon under the jedi temple to send a message across the galaxy about palpatine’s true intentions…inciting the people to destroy the obelisks across the galaxy…made all the more scarier by vader’s own pursuit of his son.

darklordoftech said:

Hadrian sunrider said:

A sith species invasion motivated by the desire to avenge the sith holocaust is perhaps one of the biggest missed opportunities of the post-ROTJ timeline.

Couldn’t agree more. What better way to cap things off than with the original source of the main evil of the franchise?

Why do they themselves have to be evil…it seems more thematically proper for the sith to be victims and for the new republic to answer for the crimes of the old

Lucas: We also wanted to have a scene where Vader goes and bows before the Force and the Force picks him up and tells him that he better go out and get that crystal… But it’s not the Force personified; it’s on the verge of personification. Maybe it’s a shadow or something.

Alan Dean Foster: The ultimate…

Lucas: It’s the ultimate evil. It’s the devil.

Final battle on coruscant with the starforge

FreezingTNT2 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Hercules is public domain. Make that happen (as a novel). I’m sure there’s an audience for it.

But the Netflix incarnation mentioned above isn’t.

My miniseries is not based on an established property

Not an established property…but an original miniseries on Netflix

Titled Hercules and nemean…a 15 episode miniseries centered on the enemies to friends to lovers story of hercules and an anthro version of the nemean lion…whose real name is maahes from north africa… Basically a muscular lion furry.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DygUhOKWsAIMYRl?format=jpg&name=900x900

The first 12 episodes of the series would be about their developing relationship as hercules completes each of the 12 labors with the help of the lion to attune for the murder of his family.

Hercules is torn between staying on earth to have a family with nemean or to complete his labor to become a god. He is also conflicted about maahes’s misotheism

While maahes is torn between staying with the man who tried to kill him or to give their relationship a chance. He is also torn between his desire to return to africa in order to regain his position as head of the pride of anthro lions which he feels was stolen by his sister sekemet or to move on.

In the middle of said series…maahes and hercules free Prometheus, who reveals the reason he was tied up on the rock…because zeus was torturing him for information regarding the identity of the son who would kill him and end the reign of the gods.

Maahes is curious…though hercules does not believe him.

Eventually around either the minos bull labor or the amazon labor…hercules and maahes consumate their relationship. Their sexual chemistry coming from 2 things.

1. Hercules no longer has to hold back when making love…making it a far more passionate and rewarding experience.

2. Maahes’s invincible skin used to make it hard if not impossible for him to feel physical sensation…Hercules is the only one that makes him feel physically due in part because he is a divine being and because of sheer physical strength. Making maahes lose his mind during their mating.

later towards the series, after hercules fails to achieve a labor involving the cattle of geryon under mysterious circumstances…hercules reluctantly decides to stay with maahes.

Adopting a young strong orphan boy named antaeus and being a family in the wilderness.

After several years of domestic bliss Hercules and maahes’s relationship is sabotaged by hera…who reveals that maahes is the one who got rid geryon’s cattle in order to stay with him.

Hercules and maahes argue…hercules feeling betrayed by maahes’s actions, eventually becoming a fist fight in front of anateus and hurting hin. Hercules, realzing how disgusting his action were…leaves maahes and anateus.

He finds the cattle and finds the golden apples.

After nearly being trapped carrying the world forever…hercules realizes what is really important and goes back to his house in the wilderness.

He finds maahes feral and with bloody lips and bones of a child next to him.

Hercules realizes that maahes was turned into a feral beast and murdered their son…just as hercules was brainwashed into doing so.

Realizing that maahes’s mind is broken…he puts the lion out of his misery by bare hugging him to death. In the last moments as maahes laid on the ground dying, hercules strokes his face and gives him a kiss.

Falling into a deep depression…hercules contemplates suicide just as his mother done when she was raped by zeus and the stress of raising a child proved too much for her.

But decides not to…deciding instead to bring maahes and anateus back.

Hercules goes on a journey to the underworld…where he completes his final labor symbolically, wrestle Cerberus in order to have his son and husband maahes ressurected.

Succeeding…hercules has maahes and the boy back…a different boy.

Maahes tells him that anateus was captured and the boy he killed was named khaled, anateus’s best friend.

Maahes tells him more bad news…that the one who kidnapped him was zeus, who also turned him feral.

Despite this bad news…hercules and him passionately “reconcile”…in the middle of a clearing…thankfully after taking khaled home.

The last 3 episodes center on maahes and hercules trying to save their son.

Episode 13 centers on hercules and maahes looking for prometheus and his grandfather chronos in order discover how to get to Olympus. There hercules discovers the truth, that the one destined to end the reign of the gods is hercules…zeus did not know this but suspected all his sons to be a threat. Before finding chronos Maahes also meets his sister again…realizing that she was a better and more just leader than he ever was, he wishes her happiness.

Ending with hercules and maahes freeing the titans and fighting his brother ares. Before hercules deals the final blow…ares taunts him stating that his father is grooming little anateus to be his “cupbearer”. Maahes rips into his throat as hercules decapitates him. Going up mount olympus with the help of the titans lead by gaia.

Episode 14. Hercules and maahes vs the entire greek pantheon. Straight up murdering every God they see.

We get flashbacks to anateus and how he was captured by zeus…where we see how zeus slowly grooms him to be his weapon and makes him feel special by giving him the role as “god of heroes”. Brainwashed into thinking that hercules is abusive towards maahes and that maahes needs to be saved from hercules using false memories

Hercules and maahes use the weapons they steal from the dead gods. Tearing olympus down from its very foundations in an epic god of war 3-esque climax. Soon they confront hera, where she laments how for years she tried to get zeus to stop having sex in order to reduce the chance of the prophecy coming true. It is revealed that hera was never TRULY jealous of zeus’s affairs because she never truly loved zeus but merely trying to protect her own position of power…lamenting how zeus was unable to set aside his own hedonstic desires for the greater good of their family…always doing his duty with the bare minimum.

Soon, they see a door leading to the throne room of zeus…where they enter into the final battle.

Episode 15. Hercules and maahes are forced to confront their son and zeus.

Maahes fights anateus in order to stop him from helping zeus as he fights hercules. Anateus is baffled by maahes’s loyalty to hercules as he and maahes battle. Zeus tells hercules the truth…it was him who brainwashed hercules into murdering his family, so that hercules could complete the 12 labors and become a god. Hercules becoming a god would make hercules into a direct benefactor of zeus’s regime and thus would not be incentivized into rebelling against him. That is why he makes sure his kids are given great positions in heaven(ares the god of war) and earth(kings who are children of zeus), because those who benefit from a oppressive system are less likely to ever rebel against it.

Maahes and anateus fight as maahes slowly pokes holes into every abusive hercules memory told to him by anateus during their fight, Think of it as reverse gaslighting. Anateus gets the upperhand and is ordered by zeus to kill him. Anateus resists, and soon hugs his father maahes, begging for forgiveness. Soon all three are fightinf against zeus in an epic earth shaking battle.

Defeating zeus with the help of gaia…the reign of the gods has ended.

Soon the titans, hercules and maahes with their reconciled son leave Olympus to the land of hyperborea…the land of giants and gods, away from the affairs of mankind…slowly fading into myth amd leading into our world.

Hercules, maahes and anateus standing on top of a hyperborean mountain after learning that this place will grant them immortality amd will become their new home.

Hercules with maahes and anateus leaning into his arms, says that they are his pride now(a reference to lion hierarchies)…never being more happy in their lives as they look into the sunset in the dawning of a new age.

A sith species invasion motivated by the desire to avenge the sith holocaust is perhaps one of the biggest missed opportunities of the post-ROTJ timeline.