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#1382925
Topic
The Ultimate Star Wars Saga
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DuracellEnergizer said:

I’ve been doing some worldbuilding, and here’s what I’ve got nailed down for the SWS:RE Universe:

  • The setting is our own Milky Way, some 25,000 years into the future.
  • Earth has either been abandoned/forgotten or become the city-planet Had Abbadon.
  • The Galactic Republic is 10,000-18,000 years old and spans a million worlds.
  • The known galaxy spans 25% of the Milky Way.
  • Excluding genetically divergent subspecies, just over three dozen sapient races inhabit the known galaxy.
  • Though not particularly speciesist, the Galactic Republic is an almost entirely human/near-human domain. There are very few member worlds with significant non-human populations, and human/non-human admixture is almost unheard of outside the Outer Rim territories.
  • Strong AI doesn’t exist. “Thinking machines” are actually cyborgs — robot bodies controlled by cultured organic brains.
  • Manned fightercraft are considered archaic and hopelessly cumbersome in modern warfare. Armed forces tend to use either remote-controlled fighters or robot fighters in combat. Remote-controlled fighters have some advantage over robots, as an organic pilot can outwit the weak AI of robot fighters. However, in the event that a remote-controlled fighter is heavily damaged or destroyed, feedback through the neural interface can kill or brain-damage the organic controller.
  • Lightsabers are entirely mystical, non-technological weapons which can only be constructed and ignited by trained Force adepts. At the heart of every lightsaber is a kyber crystal, the colour of which is shaped by the psyche/preferences of the adept who meditates over it. The blade of a lightsaber is paper-thin, with monomolecular edges. They don’t generate heat, but cut through almost any material by severing covalent bonds.
  • Force-sensitivity isn’t genetic; it cannot be inherited patrilineally, and clones of Force-sensitives will not inherit their template’s Force-sensitivity. However, Force-sensitivity is often passed on matrilineally. And if one child in a set of twins (identical or fraternal) is Force-sensitive, their sibling(s) are invariably Force-sensitive as well.
  • All space flight and space combat is in three dimensions.
  • Single-biome worlds capable of supporting complex life are rare and often marginally habitable. Life on Hoth is limited to the equator, life on Tatooine to the poles, etc.
  • Hyperspace travel is relatively slow. Travel between Tatooine and Alderaan — both Outer Rim planets — takes five days along a good hyperlane.

Love most of these ideas

One idea to suggest

Hyperspace speed is severely slow

It takes five months to get across the Galaxy in the fastest possible speed

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#1378359
Topic
The Rise Of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?
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adywan said:

Hadrian sunrider said:

StarkillerAG said:

Dude, stop trying to blame everything on TLJ. That movie wasn’t universally hated like you think, most people actually liked it. The reason Solo bombed was because of Disney’s terrible marketing decisions, and TROS’s performance is actually pretty good for the third installment of a series. The anger of a few hardcore fans had nothing to do with it.

Revenge of the sith made more than AOTC

Return of the Jedi was dead even with empire strikes back

The sequel trilogy just went downhill with every installment with its latter two installments having the worst legs in December box office history

Do you really want to argue with math?

Well, lets talk the maths…

Stats or original release for the OT:

ANH - $503,015,849
ESB - $400,083,259
ROTJ - $374,593,074

And those were different times than now. Before the internet and before the rise of the internet trolls and “youtubers” shitting all over everything. ROTJ broke weekend box office records, but the numbers dropped pretty fast after the first week.

Sith made more than AOTC because of the hype surrounding Vader appearing in it and people hoping it would feel more like the OT. They wanted to see the Vader hunting down the jedi, they wanted to see the duel over lava and anakin become vader. It is something fans had wanted to see for decades. You can’t beat that type of hype.

So lets use other stats. Ticket sales. Est # ticket sales for each film (domestic) in ascending order:

ANH 178,119,500
TFA 108,115,100
ESB 98,213,400
ROTJ 94,059,400
TPM 90,312,100
TLJ 67,594,500
ROTS 59,324,600
ROS 54,984,300
AOTC 53,468,500

Jesus, fans must have hated ESB. Just look at how many less tickets were sold for that films compared to its predecessor.

The sequel trilogy performed perfectly well. You have to remember that China is a HUGE market for the film industry and its only in recent years that China has even shown any of the Star Wars films. So they haven’t grown up with the films and have an attachment to them as we all do. So a big chunk of the box office market is gone right there. Yet all three earned over $1 billion.

Solo under-performing had nothing to do with TLJ either. Right from the films announcement a lot of the fanbase just wasn’t that interested in the idea of it. Having someone playing Han Solo who wasn’t Harrison Ford turned them off the film right away. That was back in 2015, when Star Wars fever was at a high, 6 months prior to TFA being released. And then followed all the reports of the troubles during the making of it etc. That really didn’t help.

Then you had George jumping in and throwing his dummy out the pram after TFA because they didn’t use his story treatments> calling Disney the “white slavers” etc. You have that section of the fanbase that were loyal to george that decided they were going to boycott the Disney Star Wars out of loyalty to George.

On top of that you had the “Legends” crown that were boycotting everything because “Disney destroyed our Star Wars”

But what is really turning fans off Star Wars, isn’t the movies or TV series, but a certain section of the fanbase. Sucking the fun out of any online discussion about the franchise. You can’t even discuss the Disney films without a bunch of assholes jumping in, telling them that they are an idiot/ moron who must have low IQ if they liked the ST.

Wow…a 4 million ticket decline

Such a disaster

TLJ and TROS still dropped worse than any of the Star Wars sequels

And it’s not the fans that are killing the hype for Star Wars…it is the lack of interesting characters with long term value.

I have yet to see someone who wants to see Rey ever again

I could find a million fans who want Vader to be given a tv series or a movie

I can find no one who wants to see Rey even mentioned in future films

That is what is killing Star Wars.

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#1378356
Topic
The Rise Of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?
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If there was an episode 10…episode 9 would have flopped

Audiences barely turned up for episode 9 which was the finale of the trilogy and had palpatine in it

Do you honestly think that episode 9 would even cross a billion if it wasn’t the end?

Do you honestly think that audiences would tolerate an episode 10 starring these characters?

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#1377648
Topic
Reconstructing the Sequel Trilogy
Time

Anakin Starkiller said:

The First Order and the Resistance work just fine if you change one small detail: they’re both funded by the Republic. Now it becomes a proxy war between two rival parties within the system. Snoke could be some rich senator.

I got one better

The resistance is funded by the republic

While the First order is funded by the Fel Imperium

This is just one of their countless millions of proxy wars that are waging all across the Galaxy simultaneously

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#1377646
Topic
What's your take on Emperor Palpatine being brought back for The Rise of Skywalker?
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darklordoftech said:

I guess they felt that you after defeating Hitler, David Duke is an anti-climactic big bad.

Anyway, I find it interesting that while Dark Empire says that Sidious learned how to Essence Transfer from the Tedryn Holocron sometime after ROTS and the Plagueis novel says the Banites lost the knowledge of Essence Transfer as a result of Darth Gravid and that Plagueis wasn’t interested in Essence Transfer, the Rise of Skywalker novelization makes it sound like Plagueis taught Essence Transfer to Sidious.

It’s very likely that canon plagueis and canon bane are the same character

Bane having succeeded in transferring his essence from one body to the next for a thousand years before meeting palpatine

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#1377644
Topic
The Rise Of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?
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StarkillerAG said:

Dude, stop trying to blame everything on TLJ. That movie wasn’t universally hated like you think, most people actually liked it. The reason Solo bombed was because of Disney’s terrible marketing decisions, and TROS’s performance is actually pretty good for the third installment of a series. The anger of a few hardcore fans had nothing to do with it.

Revenge of the sith made more than AOTC

Return of the Jedi was dead even with empire strikes back

The sequel trilogy just went downhill with every installment with its latter two installments having the worst legs in December box office history

Do you really want to argue with math?

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#1377642
Topic
What's your take on Emperor Palpatine being brought back for The Rise of Skywalker?
Time

The perfect plot decision to summarize a pointless trilogy

Reborn Palpatine is such the perfect demonstration of the sequel trilogy’s lack of justification for its very existence that it isn’t even funny.

It also disarms anyone claiming that the sequel trilogy is anything else other than a creatively bankrupt trilogy

The sequel trilogy pushed boundaries

screenshot of palpatine

The sequel trilogy isn’t lifeless fan service

screenshot of palpatine

The sequel trilogy took risks

screenshot of palpatine

The sequel trilogy respected the original trilogy

screenshot of palpatine

Literally destroys any defense of the sequel trilogy

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#1377641
Topic
The Rise Of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?
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OutboundFlight said:

To be fair… enthusiasm for Star Wars was at an all-time low. At least that’s how I saw things irl… in 2015 the marketing for Star Wars was huge. Everyone talked about it that December. Then in 2016 and 2017, the excitement was less than in 2015 but still far-reaching. Everyone was at least aware of the Star Wars movie coming out even if they weren’t planning on watching it.

But in 2019 everyone was… tired? At least from what I saw, there wasn’t much general excitement for the movie. Maybe the marketing was too focused on “the end” when everyone knew Disney would keep making movies. Maybe this was the first movie without the return of an iconic character (Han/Vader/Luke). Or maybe it wasn’t Disney’s fault at all and three was just the magic number for people to become tired with the franchise.

I don’t think it had anything to do with low reactions to TFA or TLJ, but there definitely was a dip in enthusiasm among general audiences.

The issue is this…why are people so easily tired of Star Wars if marvel released 6 movies within a span of two years?

It has 100 percent to do with TLJ…the tired feeling that you described started after TLJ, climaxed with the bombing of solo in 2018, and had its logical conclusion in 2019

TROS making less than a R rated joker movie and only making a billion because of its finale factor and palpatine

There is no such thing as Star Wars fatigue…there is only bad movie fatigue

And TLJ was one bad movie too many(speaking to the sheer toxicity of its storytelling decisions)

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#1377570
Topic
The Rise Of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?
Time

TROS only made a billion because it was more of a sequel to TFA than TLJ and it had palpatine and the finale effect had a positive impact as well.

If it doubled down on TLJ’s story direction or refused to bring back palpatine or was part 1 in a two parter…or god forbid all three…than I would not be surprised if it struggled to make justice league numbers(600 million)

Don’t underestimate how many people loathed the direction that TLJ was going in and how TROS was lucky to make the money it did

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#1376556
Topic
The Rise Of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?
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Hoop28 said:

Abrams and Terrio are both competent writers, they were just poor choices for Episode IX. They tried to please everyone, make a crowd-pleasing movie that made everyone feel warm and fuzzy inside, but that’s not how it works. Attempting to please all factors involved and injecting your movie with fanservice is never a good idea. It only worked on TFA because of competent character writing from Arndt and Kasdan.

I would argue that TFA didn’t work

People never liked TFA…people tolerated TFA

People were genuinely hoping that future installments would improve the more questionable aspects of TFA

The reason TLJ fell at the box office so quickly and it’s backlash became so violent that TROS barely grossed a billion was because of pent up rage against TFA

People never liked the first order, loathed the resistance, and hoped that the new republic was still alive till TLJ confirmed that it wasn’t and that the resistance and the first order were the main factions

Than the shit storm hit

There is a reason why the final order completely overshadows the first order in episode 9

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#1375706
Topic
Reconstructing the Sequel Trilogy
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Different villians: sith purebloods, the story of the ST is the OT cast confronting the darkest hour of the republics past and wrestle with the subject of genocide and reparations, as the republic ordered a sith holocaust in the past. The sith pureblood faction is called “The Sith’ari Dominion”

Different heroes: a sith pureblood defector turned Jedi, a princess and senator from the Hapes consortium trying to politically manipulate stuff behind the scenes to avoid further bloodshed, and a mandalorian Jedi trained by Luke Skywalker who will develop an LGBT relationship with the sith pureblood defector and train him in the ways of the force…an enemies to partners, partners to friends, friends to lovers story.

Different story: the mandalorian hegemony is secretly provoking war between the republic and the sith’ari dominion in order to sell weapons to both sides, the use of WMDs weakens both factions as the Hegemony plans to invade and conquer both weakened factions with our heroes forced to stop the war before it is too late.

Different republic: the free planets alliance was in a generations long war Against The Fel imperium, eventually leading to a merger of the factions called the United republic after the Moff Council betrayed the fel fynasty, the United republic is at war with the Sith’ari Dominion

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#1375703
Topic
The Rise Of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?
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The plan is overvalued as it doesn’t take into account audience rejection

Audiences might not like where you are about to take this franchise, it doesn’t matter if you planned it from the beginning, the second you implement it the audience will reject it.

Audiences don’t like Rey or the fact that she is going to restore the Jedi order, no amount of execution is going to save an idea that audiences simply won’t accept.

The fantastic beasts franchise is obviously meticulously planned, but audiences don’t like the shit Rowling is selling from a foundational level.

Planning for palpatine’s return since the beginning isn’t going to make the idea any less shitty

You might be put in a situation where audiences demand something other than you planned and you will have to scrap your story and reboot mid series in order to avoid audience rejection.

Which puts us back to where we came from with the ST(and how episode 9 came out of nowhere)

We don’t need a plan, we need good ideas

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#1370836
Topic
STAR WARS Episode IX: Duel of the Fates Re-Write 2nd Draft
Time

AD576 said:

Hadrian sunrider said:

AD576 said:

Yes, it’s still in progress. There’s a lot of changes to it so it might take a few weeks. But I do plan on uploading it once I’m finished.

Love how you replaced Vallum with Ragnos

Really improves connectivity to past Star Wars stories

Thank you, I thought that Tor Vallum kind of contradicted the whole “Rule of Two”. So I did some research and remembered Ragnos from Jedi Academy. I loved the idea of a twisted version of the force ghost and I implemented that into the story. I’m planning on writing a new scene in my 3rd draft where there’s a bit more expansion instead of introducing the character and then the next scene killing him off.

Maybe have a flashback where young palpatine was looking for the secret to immortality from him…hence why palpatine would instruct Vader to take Luke to ragnos

Maybe even add a reference to the now canonical fact that palpatine planned on taking Luke’s body after he killed his father and had no intention of ever really making Luke his apprentice

Maybe this “young palpatine” is really darth bane…where it is revealed that darth bane and palpatine are the same person who had been body-hopping into apprentices for the past 1,000 years.

It is revealed that it was Ragnos who gave darth bane the secret to essence transfer which allowed him to possess his apprentices.

And kylo wants to learn the secret of force draining from him.

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#1370113
Topic
The Ultimate Star Wars Saga
Time

Love how your rewrite takes into account the three dimensions of space

One change I want to suggest is to progress through hyperspace technology

Hypergates are the sole means of interstellar travel…as we progress through the series we see hyperspace tech advance

hyper-gates>>>hyper-rings for large battle stations>>>hyperspace rings for capital ships>>> hyperspace engines>>>hyperspace weapons

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#1368407
Topic
How would you combine the best parts of the Star Wars franchise into one LOTR-style trilogy?
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StarkillerAG said:

Hadrian sunrider said:

No way I can tell this story in one trilogy. Trust me, I have this Star Wars reboot pitch that is even more radical than anything on this forum that essentially is the whose who of the legends and Disney canon(aphra, thrawn, Kyle katarn, lord Hoth). You will literally see almost everyone on this f@cking saga in the movie at some point…and none of them will be “normal”.

Wow. I read through that whole thing, and it was… different. I actually think you could change the names and pitch it as an original sci-fi franchise, and it would probably be a lot better.

I did recycle huge chunks of it into an original sci fi verse

My rationale for these radical changes is to avoid creating a Disney remake…instead creating a story that stands on its own as a unique take on the Star Wars franchise

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#1364987
Topic
How would you combine the best parts of the Star Wars franchise into one LOTR-style trilogy?
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Ed Slushie said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfcS-uuI8A4

Taking this further

The politics are way more complex, intricate and nuanced than the original saga.

Featuring an unflinching look on how class struggle and inequality that is inherent in the capitalist system can lead to authoritarianism and revolution.

The story can also be repurposed into an original story set centuries after ROTJ if need be

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#1364917
Topic
How would you combine the best parts of the Star Wars franchise into one LOTR-style trilogy?
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Ed Slushie said:

Star Wars is a famously massive, expansive universe taking place across multiple eras and every corner of the galaxy. And yet, practically every new thing to come out of the series (at least, every new movie) since Return of the Jedi has been criticized, to some extent, for feeling repetitive. Lately, I’ve been wondering: What if the writers of the original trilogy had somehow had access to the entire canon (Disney and Legends continuities) to draw from for ideas? And, for the sake of the thought experiment, been given unlimited time, money, and technology as well?
How might the trilogy have gone differently?

No way I can tell this story in one trilogy. Trust me, I have this Star Wars reboot pitch that is even more radical than anything on this forum that essentially is the whose who of the legends and Disney canon(aphra, thrawn, Kyle katarn, lord Hoth). You will literally see almost everyone on this f@cking saga in the movie at some point…and none of them will be “normal”.

Let me give you a sneak peek

Anakin was born 1,000 years before “TPM” As he was frozen by the vacuum of space, The reason why is dark.

Anakin Skywalker is a sith Holocaust survivor, who is not even human.

Padme, Obi-Wan And “the emperor” are also reinvented heavily

Padme is Abeloth…her death caused anakin to try to resurrect her using the device from Darth Vader immortal, leading to the creation of An abomination that wants to “protect” her children From Anakin…her children are raised by anakin as a single father, This resurrection transformed the once beautiful world of Naboo into the hellish world of MUstafar.

Obi-Wan is a cathar who is “the same age”(anakin is a thousand years old) as anakin and is more of a brother than a father figure to anakin…and they have sexual tension towards each-other.

The emperor isn’t male, nor a constant presence. The empress is the ruler of the Sith pureblood empire that exists in the unknown regions waiting on the perfect time to strike, Her goal is to create an alchemical ritual that will allow her to absorb all life in the galaxy in order to become a living Goddess, Empress shiva is also Anakin’s Twin sister and is essentially female Darth Vitiate meets dark empire palpatine reborn. She is a self loathing female misogynist who had to work 10 times harder to get to where she is today despite massive sexism among the Sith species. She is the night king of the series, the thanos level threat whose arrival is built up like a apocalyptic event…her identity as anakin’s sister being a secret held for a long time.

The chosen one Prophecy is the dyad of the force…revealed to be Luke and Leia, who are destined to destroy the empress, Luke skywalker turns to the dark side and is basically a weird reinvention of Kylo Ren while leia is a weird reinvention of Rey while Han is not even human but also a Cathar.

Anakin’s Human father is Darth Bane…who abused anakin and his sister when they were kids before anakin nearly killed him and basically exiled the asshole with his force powers…who would later become a sith himself that would use essence transfer to scheme against the republic from the shadows.

Anakin Skywalker’s story only gets stranger from here

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#1363507
Topic
STAR WARS Episode IX: Duel of the Fates Re-Write 2nd Draft
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The foundational structural issue lies with the fact that the duel on Mortis has f@ck all to do with anything happening on coruscant

This undermines the story

It needs restructuring but has a perfect plotline otherwise

The story is about the heroes using the force beacon to incite a revolution against the first order…that is unique already

The structural issues however are a big problem

We need a plot device that gets kylo on coruscant to fight rey on coruscant in a battle that centers on kylo and his plans.

This could have been solved with stealing the climax of fullmetal alchemist and having coruscant be the center of an alchemical ritual meant to absorb all life in the galaxy and turn kylo ren into a living god, a ritual he discovered by studying the holocron of darth plagueis(snoke) And he needs to learn force draining from Tor Valum in order to learn how to absorb so much godly power…putting Rey and kylo in the middle of the battle of coruscant and adding bigger stakes to the story that is befitting of the final Skywalker movie. To connect the stories better, you could have each of the millions of planets in the galaxy have 36 obelisks on them that is supposed to absorb the life force of each planet and than beam that life force energy to coruscant and specifically the citadel structure that is supposed to in turn beam it to kylo and turn him into a God. The beacon under the temple will send a telepathic transmission to every living sentient being in the galaxy to warn them of this ritual and organize an uprising to take down the obelisks before kylo consumes all in this mad quest for godhood and immortality, this could also be what kylo believes darth Vader had started who also desired infinite power to attain immortality.

This would have formed a strong foundation for episode 9

Tor valum could easily be a flashback to the past, where kylo learns of the force draining technique and decides to become a god by absorbing the entire galaxy.

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#1337469
Topic
Conclude the Original Trilogy differently
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Anakin Starkiller said:

I see you took cues from DotF.

Definitely the gist(battle of coruscant, force beacon, grassroots revolution)

But vader, palpatine and luke are actually involved and the alchemical ritual serves as a ticking clock…unlike in DOTF where whatever ben and rey are doing have absolutely nothing to do with the plot on coruscant as Jenny nicolson states in her review for duel of fates.

As for palpatine’s plan…he intends to provoke luke into killing his father so that the emperor can transfer his essence into luke after he blackened his soul just enough for possession, whose connection to the force along with palpatine’s knowledge of force draining will allow for palpatine to smoothly transition to godhood. It is revealed that palpatine is darth bane, who had been possessing the bodies of his apprentices for the past 1,000 years. He wanted to possess anakin before his body was ruined and now sets his sights on luke.

Basically a mixture between return of the jedi, TROS and duel of fates with a heavy dose of fullmetal alchemist.

The beacon sends a telepathic message to every living being in the galaxy, provoking revolutionary fever that will permanently reshape galactic politics as every planetary obelisk is destroyed by the people(not rebels, just normal people) bringing about an era of revolution against all forms of unjust hierarchies.