Haarspalter

SilverWook said:

canofhumdingers said:

I finally got to sit down and enjoy my blu ray of Rogue One tonight. I love this movie more every time I watch it. Even characters that I felt were lackluster (such as Jyn and Cassian) have grown on me a lot. And I flipping love Baze and Chirrut, Guardians of the Whills (that is still SO cool).

I will say the hoops they have to jump through to actually transmit the plans get rather convoluted and are maybe a bit too much. But it’s not bad enough to hamper my enjoyment. Oh, and my wife pointed out that Jyn and Cassian amazingly have time to change out of their imperial disguises and back into their regular clothes while in the vault as K-2SO is fending off waves of Stormtroopers.

IIRC, the original film already established that Imperial uniforms magically fit over one’s own clothes, boots and all. 😉

Maybe Chewie hid the clothes decently put together in his bag? 😉

SilverWook said:

[Scotty walks up to the holodeck and activates it]

Computer Voice: Please enter program.

Scotty: The android at the bar said you could show me Star Wars. Let me see it.

Computer Voice: Insufficient data. Please specify parameters.

Scotty: [frustrated] Star Wars. Show me the movie Star Wars, you chatterin’ piece of…

Computer Voice: There have been five versions with that name. Please specify by edition number.

Scotty: 1977. No bloody 1981- 1997 - 2004 - or 2011!

[Picard visits Scotty on the holodeck to see what movie he’s watching]

Picard: The Theatrical Cut…

Scotty: Aye. You’re familiar with it?

Picard: There’s one at the library of congress. This is your copy?

😉

Oh no, yet another about topic about Haydens Force Ghost? Yes, but this thread will not deal with the hot topic if Hayden Christensen makes more sense than Sebastian Shaw. This thread is a discussion about how accurate or how sloppy Lucas created his digital Frankenstein.

So i want to start this thread with the question about a specific detail, that always bugged me: Haydens head movement in his first shot.

The way he reacts (smiling, nodding) to Obi-Wan and then to Luke does not look natural at all. I heard/read somewhere that Hayden wasn’t aware that Lucas wanted to use this footage for that scene, so that could be one reason why Haydens reactions to Obi-Wan and Luke do not match 100% in that shot. But i think there is more to it. We know Lucas likes to digitally manipulate actors heads (Han Solo dodging Greedos shot for example).

My assumption is, that the movement of Haydens head looks kinda awkward & ghostly (no pun intended) because the spliced-in footage we see in his first shot is actually played BACKWARDS.

Sebastian Shaws body moves forward…
Hayden Christensens head moves backward…

I hope you guys know what i mean. Haydens head footage (played backwards in real time - i know, this is confusing) suggests an unused ROTS scene where Anakin saw Padme in the distance. At first he smils and then reacts with an amorous shy nodding and looks to a person next to him. Maybe Obi-Wan or Bail Organa in an early senate scene shortly after Palpatines rescue?

What do you think about this?

Ryan McAvoy said:

So how come Ewan McGregor doesn’t look anything like the same age as Alec Guinness did in SW? 😉

He still has 8 years left to look like Alec Guiness right? 😉

DominicCobb said:

The Bull’s Eyed Womprat said:

DominicCobb said:

I honestly don’t think George’s beating heart has jack shit to do with any of it, I doubt anyone cares about “not releasing the originals out of respect to him” and the idea some have floated that it might have been in the deal he signed with Disney is simply ludicrous.

Ultimately, I think the real enemy here is simply just apathy and indifference on the part of whoever makes the distribution decisions (which might overlap with the rights issues).

One thing that’s interesting is there’s no way these new filmmakers haven’t brought the OOT up (I know Rian Johnson is on record for criticizing them). I wonder if they know the lowdown and if they’re privy to versions we aren’t.

Damn, shoulda asked Rian about that when I met him…

Is Rian Johnson criticizing the OOT, or the people? Who is ‘them’? also do you have a link? I’d love to see what he has to say as i really like his movie, and am stoked he is helming TLJ.

Rian basically called the SEs “cartoons” around the time the Blu-rays were coming out. Don’t have a link on hand.

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/23164864209887232

Han Solo IRL said:

Neat to hear ‘Sith’ used in the original film.

additionally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xIBdWBou7w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I7jAwuocMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkVUTEBMzUk

So, is this (part of) the archive material they’re scanning at LucasFilm?

Did we just saw some kind of censorship? That one shot from the ANH Set with Carrie, Harrison and Mark arm in arm… in the very same scene in the EMPIRE OF DREAMS documentary … Harrison had a cigarette in his right hand! Where’s the cigarette? Was it there?

“You may fire when ready.”

suspiciouscoffee said:

I hope whoever wins is slightly knowledgable about the SE and inquires about the versions.

Well, then let’s hope that Gary Kurtz and Marcia Lucas win the tickets for the ANH screening 😉

Gary will cringe during the CGI Jabba scene and Marcia will mourn about what happened to her Oscar-honored Cut of Star Wars.

[George and Kathy enter the screening room]

George [points at Marcia and talks to Kathy]: I told you not to admit her!

Marcia: I must be allowed to speak.

Kathy: George c’mon get over it. She must be allowed to speak.

George [grabs Kathy by the throat]: You weak-minded Disney puppet. She’s using an old ex-wife mind trick.

Gary: George you will bring the Theatrical Cuts of Star Wars and Empire to us …, and Jedi too.

George [laughs]: Your producers wisdom will not work on me anymore.

DuracellEnergizer said:

The “Jedi committed genocide against the Sith” is more of an EU thing than a PT thing, but whatever.

Okay. I don’t know anything about the EU, so is it safe to assume that this ‘genocide’ stuff was added during or after the Prequel era?

leetwall31 said:

The Jedi committed genocide against the Sith.

And i thought the Prequels were made for children…

Fang Zei said:

Whatever this GMA announcement ends up being, I sincerely doubt it’s a theatrical re-release.

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DominicCobb said:

R2 looks like shit for almost the entirety of his screentime in that film.

Makes me wonder what people will think about CGI Tarkin in ten years from now 😉

Actually Disneys worst exploitation of the Star Wars license aren’t TFA or R1 but more so a scene within the George Clooney snoozefest Tomorrowland

Just take look at the stuff in the backround (watch the whole scene)…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26ewNZt0ybo

digitalfreaknyc said:

doubleofive said:

Haarspalter said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Fang Zei said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Not to throw fuel on the fire but, considering the rumor about July 28th being a theatrical re-release of the original…

This magazine is coming out July 25. Now, it could totally be coincidence but isn’t it a bit strange that a 40th Anniversary book is coming out 3 days before this supposed theatrical re-release? Instead of in May?

First I’m hearing about this rumor. Was it brought up earlier in the thread or did news (well, rumor) of it just break somewhere else?

The theory came from the Disney schedule where something is mysteriously being released by Disney on July 28th - Untitled Fairy Tale. They wouldn’t say what it was.

The Untitled Fairy Tale could be a movie called Magic Camp

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/801801-disneys-magic-camp-begins-production-starring-jeffrey-tambor

Produced by Disney. Scheduled for release in 2017.

Which has a title and isn’t a fairy tale.

And just started filming? No chance.

Let’s look at the clues:

1. Scheduled for release in 2017 - CHECK
2. A movie about a summer camp - which should be released prior or during the summer … maybe on the 28th July? - CHECK
3. A movie about young magicians, a magic contest and magic bla, bla - FAIRY tale, anyone? - CHECK
4. Since it is scheduled for 2017 release, we can assume low-budget CGI = short post-production phase? - CHECK

digitalfreaknyc said:

Fang Zei said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Not to throw fuel on the fire but, considering the rumor about July 28th being a theatrical re-release of the original…

This magazine is coming out July 25. Now, it could totally be coincidence but isn’t it a bit strange that a 40th Anniversary book is coming out 3 days before this supposed theatrical re-release? Instead of in May?

First I’m hearing about this rumor. Was it brought up earlier in the thread or did news (well, rumor) of it just break somewhere else?

The theory came from the Disney schedule where something is mysteriously being released by Disney on July 28th - Untitled Fairy Tale. They wouldn’t say what it was.

The Untitled Fairy Tale could be a movie called Magic Camp

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/801801-disneys-magic-camp-begins-production-starring-jeffrey-tambor

Produced by Disney. Scheduled for release in 2017.

Even Jake Lloyd attended lots of Fan Conventions in all those years despite his experience with the Star Wars fandom. Money is a strong … ‘force’ 😉

Since we mentioned the ‘porn’ subject [cough,cough] … never ever start a ‘star wars hentai’ google image search. I’m still completely baffled seeing Leia having sexual intercourse with a Dianoga.

SilverWook said:

The costume almost looks too big on this chap. So an insert shot makes sense to me. Also note the Endor backdrop seems rather small. This could have been shot at ILM months after principal photgraphy wrapped.

Is he actually wearing the Vader costume? Looks he stood behind the costume-on-a-hatrack and just sticked his arms through.

Take a look at the top:

1987
Disney News (= something NEW will happen)
George Lucas without beard (= could be a metaphor for no Digital Enhancements)
Office Copy (=could be a codename for the Original Negative at Lucasfilm)

And here we are 30 years later. The SIGNS are everywhere … OUT could happen.

Read the first phrase after the headline - Facepalm in

3 …
2 …
1 …

http://www.enstarz.com/articles/187183/20170213/star-wars-rogue-one-mark-hamill-takes-stand-for-jake-lloyd-while-jimmy-smits-talks-about-rogue-one.htm

SilverWook said:

generalfrevious said:

Wow. Everyone is just giving up now aren’t they? I refuse to accept a world where a fan edit is the only way to watch the original versions.

I will not give up on the Original Trilogy. We’ve made too many compromises already; too many retreats. Lucas let Greedo shot first and we fall back. He inserts Hayden Christensen in Return of the Jedi and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn at the 40th anniversary of STAR WARS! This far, no further! And I will not buy another Special Edition release!

Sougouk said:
Who is this Hans character? Maybe she was thinking of Hans Gruber? 😃

It’s probably THIS guy:

DominicCobb said:
I guess we’ll all find out when she shows up at Celebration.

The evidence is obivious…

CLUE 1 is very subtle

CLUE 2 is clearly an Anakin & Padme reference

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