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#259102
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Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/259102/action/topic#259102
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Wonderful disposition you have there. You must be a ball at family gatherings.

And nothing was contradicted, from a certain point of view.

I think it's the people who can't adjust their perceptions as they get new information that are the lazy ones.

It all makes perfect sense if you allow it to.

Holy crap, I'm rhyming.

I think I'll take a trip to the zoo!
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#259089
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ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/259089/action/topic#259089
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80% of the models have been deleted?

Man you guys are so angry you don't even need real reasons anymore. You guys see a news bit about SW, and make up crap until it's further proof that Lucas sucks.

Most of Lorne Peterson's stuff is still in there actually.

I'm sure Lorne Peterson didn't have a problem with Lucas making Star Wars better.
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#258217
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Question about the Prequels
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/258217/action/topic#258217
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Lucas isn't revising history, you guys are just misunderstanding him.

He doesn't say he always planned this to be about Darth Vader since 77, you all just keep misunderstanding him when he says that even though he -didn't- always plan it to be about Vader, that he slowly realized that it alwas was as he went along.

I think it's kind of funny to watch people who don't like Lucas protect the world from the "distortion of history", to "protect" future generations from Lucas' so called "revisionist history" when nobody is distorting things more than these same people.
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#258076
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Question about the Prequels
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/258076/action/topic#258076
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The thing that's weird about TFN is in their attempt to be non partisan, they set out to "cleanse" the forum of all partisanship.

Here's the thing, there are actually "partisans". Some fans run around as self proclaimed gushers, some fans run around as self proclaimed bashers, and all of them blame the other side for the "lables".

It's gotten to the point where the regulars have their "street cred" as either bashers or gushers, and a lot of them just start in with personal attacks instead of making a case for their own perspective.

I think TFN was just sick of the general mean spiritedness about it all. Being a SW fan should be about having fun, not putting other SW fans down all the time.

The problem is they went so far with it, they won't allow the fans to discuss the fans at all.

It's really pretty ridiculous.
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#257375
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257375/action/topic#257375
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I have never seen the pal laserdiscs, I didn't realize they had better resolution.

I haven't forgotten the rest of that. I understand the industry has moved on.

I am just saying that it's better than what I had before, and I'm just trying to illustrate why it seems a little extreme to say you can't watch it, or that your only choice is to love the SE.

Set against the backdrop of growing up in an era where it just didn't get better than laserdisc, the way some people make it out like they just can't watch it because it so horribe seems a tad over the top.

How many of us were fine when we got our widescreen VHS's back in the day?

How many of us were upset about the graineyness when it was out on laserdisc?

It's not that they got worse, it's that we became more demanding.

For me, wether I was watching it on Pan N Scan or on my black and white TV in my room, or even just listening to the storybook album before I had access to home video, the spirit is still there. To me these movies trancend their presentation.

I'm not saying anyone else is wrong for not being able to enjoy it unless it's the best it can possibly be in this day and age, I'm just saying that to me the September release seems to be a whole lot better than what we had before. Even if it isn't PAL resolution laserdisc, I still don't have to flip the disc during each movie.

Last night I popped in Star Wars on my PC and got fairly close to the monitor. I can certainly see what you guys are saying about the resolution and the jaggy lines and the graineyness. But at the same time I think the colors and general sharpness is pretty good. One thing I love the most about this release is the way you get the image instability. To me that instantly nails that feeling I had watching the originals in the theater, where it all looks so real, but has that twitch to it that your brain adjusts to, but still gives you that slight feeling like you are hallucinating or something. Like this "reality" is slightly off the tracks.

I really enjoyed watching it on my PC, but I'll have to try to get my hands on a widescreen TV to see exactly what you guys are talking about.
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#257314
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257314/action/topic#257314
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The thing is, Kurtz doesn't call Lucas a liar, he says he doesn't understand why Lucas would feel they didn't have the time or money to do more shots.

He says that the scene was never intended to be the way Lucas claims.

The problem here is he is talking about what Lucas intended as if he would know -more- about it than Lucas would.

Any way you slice it, we have two people with different takes about what "Lucas intended", and I defer to Lucas himself, because I think he has the best chance of knowing what he originally intended out of the two.

At the end of the day, I don't think there is any question that when it came to time and money to finish ANH, their backs were up against the wall.

If Kurtz is actually saying they could have done whatever they wanted, then he is alone in saying that.
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#257259
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257259/action/topic#257259
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None of that proves Lucas is lying. He didn't have to write it on the scripts or tell Kurtz about it to have thought it.

I am not discounting what Kurtz said at all.

He says he doesn't understand why Lucas wouldn't have just kept at that shot until he got what he originally wanted. To him they could have spent all week on that. To Lucas, he says they didn't have any time or money to spare, and so he ended up living with it.
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#257253
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257253/action/topic#257253
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Bait? Saying that my stance is on steadier ground that yours is baiting you?

What if I were to make a thread to see how many people think you are a troll and should be banned, and then pretend I'm not trying to get you banned?

Would that be a well-reasoned argument?

If me saying my argument doesn't depend on discarding some of the evidence is baiting you, then telling me to go fuck myself is certainly taking the bait.
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#257232
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257232/action/topic#257232
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I honestly don't see Kurtz as lieing. He doesn't say Lucas is lying, he just says he doesn't understand why he wouldn't have just kept at it until he got it right.

His perception that there was no restriction to that is a little off base I think, but I wouldn't accuse him of lying in this instance.

What sounds "delusional" to me are people who think they know more about what Lucas has thought in his own head than he does.
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#257144
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The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257144/action/topic#257144
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I see the distinction you are making now.

I personally don't feel qualified to judge others in all cases, so the idea that one could determine wether or not their "taste" was wrong when compared to other aspects of a person's character.

I find more often than not people tend to contradict themselves on a regular basis.

Is that wrong? I really can't say I know.
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#257085
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257085/action/topic#257085
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Yeah there are a lot of people who say different things, but when it comes to what Lucas was thinking in his own head, I will take his word for it.

To me what Lucas says makes more sense, because all Kurtz says is he doesn't understand why they wouldn't have tried more takes if that was really what Lucas wanted. It's also important to note that the reason Lucas and him had a falling out was because in Lucas' words "he wouldn't say no to anything." They went their separate ways becuase the budget blew out of control on Kurtz's watch.

So it doesn't suprise me when I hear Lucas saying he cut his losses after 3 takes, and for Kurtz to wonder why he didn't just keep trying until he got the shot he wanted.

To me Kurtz's account only bolsters Lucas' claim.
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#257064
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257064/action/topic#257064
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I don't think Lucas spites the people who don't like how he is making his own movies, he just doesn't care about them -at all-.

Any way you slice it, those of us who enjoyed the originals already got what we paid for. I don't see any moral obligation for Lucas to go out of his way to please his detractors who weren't impressed with the way he's further tweaked the saga.

If you guys think that everything you say on the internet is just BS not to be taken seriously, then it won't be taken seriously.

I know what the script says about Han shooting first, but I would defer to Lucas' own account of what happened, because with the way scripts are revised on the fly, it's entirely possible that Lucas felt like making Greedo shoot first after the script was written before they filmed, and it's even possible that the script was revised after the fact to reflect the plan they had after they realized their squib setups didn't go as well as they would have liked.

You can still think it's BS, and I know a lot of people prefer to see Lucas as some kind of pathological liar, but I have yet to see that proven myself.

Oh yeah and about there being prints, there are absolutley prints of the original saga. From what I understand they are all in need of serious cleanup. What I was talking about above was the fact that the original negatives for the classic trilogy were permanantly altered in the creation of the SE verion. So any new transfer they make of the originals has to come from something other than the negative, such as a print. Lucas eneded up using the laserdisc master because that was on hand and had already been signifigantly cleaned up.