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#260488
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Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/260488/action/topic#260488
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Well there is a school of thought subscribed to by people who didn't work on the film who would say that because the film was well loved that it now belongs to them, but I don't know how legimate that is.

We owned whatever it was be bought. If we bought a ticket to a screening we saw a screening, if we buy it on DVD, we get to keep that DVD.

It doesn't give us any say in how the director chooses to further finish his own films.
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#260485
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Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/260485/action/topic#260485
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Originally posted by: Guy Caballero
All we know is during the final month, which was the Crescent City portion (Endor exteriors) Marquand was sort of pushed aside with Lucas and David Tomblin grabbing the shots to get the thing done on time because Marquand was too slow. That may be why that material is visually the dullest in 6 movies. Also, Lucas directed the Vader unmasking on a closed set. Other than that, Frank Oz has stated that Marquand WAS the director, but with a deeply involved producer over his shoulder. You know, like EVERY movie. Yoda's death scene was Marquand's idea (Yoda was already dead in the script and appeared to Luke as a ghost), and Leia and Lando infiltrating the palace in disquise was also Marquand's idea. Lucas also referred to "Richard blocking the duel" while he scrambled to re-write Vader's dialogue, meaning Marquand directed the throne room scene, which is a pretty damn good scene. He also cast Ian McDiarmid, so his contribution ain't nothing.
Very interesting. I did not know all this.

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#260472
Topic
Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/260472/action/topic#260472
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Did you see Empire of Dreams? I think that's where they talked about how the cast and crew refused to listen to Marquand, and that Lucas ended up doing more than he was originally planning on doing.

Still even if Marquand was as integral to ROTJ as Kershner was to ESB, the fact still remains that Lucas employed all of these people to make his vision into a reality. They helped him hone his idea, but it was still his idea, and in the end, Lucas still commisioned those people to make that for him.

So he owns it in any way you could imagine. The work of the artists he employed belongs to him, and as such he can edit it into his movie in any way he sees fit.

I know a lot of you think that because a lot of us really enjoyed it that it belongs to us now, but that's just not the case.

All we did was enjoy it. Lucas is the guy who made it all happen.
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#260411
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Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/260411/action/topic#260411
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If he hadn't done his job properly, then nobody would have enjoyed it.

I guess some people were better at meeting him half way than others. He spent almost a decade constantlly working on the prequels, and you guys dismiss them in a few viewings.

It seems to me like Lucas put way more effort into entertaining us than a lot of us put into being entertained.
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#259568
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ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/259568/action/topic#259568
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I get the historical preservation angle, I just don't think that because the film was released that any further changes are intended to be, or actually are insults to the original artists involved.

I don't mean to insult the original version, but to me the falcon leaving mos eisley was pretty low quality. With just a small blip moving in a straight line, and the lift off from Yavin was just a bunch of red dots that were hand animated to fly up into the sky.

Even before the changes, I always personally felt that those were shots I had to overlook for the greater sake of the rest of the movie.
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#259285
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ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/259285/action/topic#259285
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From what I can recall, the CG used to replace the models was created by scanning in the original models.

Some of the shots, like the original version of the falcon taking off from mos eisley, or the rebels taking off from the battle of Yavin are not fantastic.

Furthermore, even with the advent of CG, Lucas has continually employed more modelwork in each one of the prequels than the entire classic trilogy combined.

I think a lot of you see this as a CG vs Models battle, when really they use both techniques extensively, and one doesn't replace the other.

I just don't get it. Plenty of things that artists came up with for SW was abandoned entirely before the final cut, yet just because you happened to see this stuff released originally, suddenly it's a huge insult to the artist for the director to make artistic decisions?
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#259151
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ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/259151/action/topic#259151
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I know he is happy the 2006 DVD's have the O-OT on them, but I haven't seen anything where he has talked about how his work was disrespected by the SE versions.

I'm only asking you guys to lay it on me, because I assume I must be missing something he had said, or something basic about his work that was altered for the SE's.
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#259146
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Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/259146/action/topic#259146
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I'm talking about being able to listen to Obi-Wan talk about why he said what he did, and accept that as a vaolid possibility, even though Lucas obviousy made a lot of this up as he went.

It takes a lot of effort to make on the fly changes like this "fit". Much more than it would to not come up with new things for the story and just stick to only the things you already came up with in your head for the first one.

It really is being lazy to act like Lucas' solution to Obi-Wan's apparant contradiction doesn't make any sense.

I'm not saying you have to like it, but it does make good logical sense the way Lucas did it.

The whole saga is about points of view, and this is one of the showcases of that in action.

How could you possibly not appreciate that?
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#259108
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ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/259108/action/topic#259108
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I have yet to see anything from Lorne Peterson that would indicate he feels slighted by the augmentation of his pioneering effects work.

Maybe I'm wrong, but to act like he's holding back the truth that the SE's are some kind of insult to modelwork just because it happens to have CG enhanced effects is equally un supported.