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Originally posted by: Vigo
Argh, this quoting is becoming a mess... Yeah, I'm going to try and cut some of the fat out of this one...
Originally posted by: Vigo
...why did he put the OOT in it in the first place, from this point of view? Inferior films in shoddy quality. What about his "artistic vision"(tm) ?
Well, having the original versions seemed to be really important to us. Yeah, but what about his artistic vision then? I see this as two issues. For him, the latest and greatest version he has made is his "artistic vision". The originals are versions that -we- would like to see preserved.

Are you asking why he would release still yet "unfinished" versions in 2004? In that case the reason according to him is that his advisors were telling him that if he waited until he was "ready" there might not be a DVD market to release to anyway. I think that, combined with the daily request from fans to at least release what he has even if it isn't "finished" caused him to reconsider waiting until he was done.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Like I said, if George Lucas does something, which might be a clear hint that he is just fooling around, the die hard fans will do the thinking and arguing for him to cover up his ass. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "just fooling around". You mean if Lucas does something that shows that he doesn't really take any of this seriously, people like me will still come in and defend him? I'm sure you are right. If Lucas really doesn't care about this saga, then I am unable to see that, as a result, I give him the benefit of the doubt.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Honestly, you don’t believe this crap yourself, do you?
Yes, I think Lucas has by and large been pretty honest about all of this. I think that he is just not the best public speaker, and with the way the media tends to present things out of context, he is largely just misunderstood. Glad he has someone like you, who clears everything up for him. Well the man has brought me a lifetime of joy. Sticking up for him when I think he's being misunderstood is the least I could do in return.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-TonicI think that art and business can both mutually exist if the artist is also the businessman. Lucas' artistic sensibilities are preserved in the SE version and whatever version is coming next year. Sorry, but this is no art. This is commercially driven rubbish. Popcorn and Hamburger for the senses. Star Wars was never meant to be anything different. It´s space opera. This whole nonsense about his "artistic vision" came up when he tried to justify the changes made to the original movies, and market the new cgi effects in the special edition, to test if the time and technology was right for the prequel trilogy. You were starting ok, but now, this arguments clearly becomes ridiculous. Wait a minute, I asked you why you were trying to preserve something that you considered to be "commercially driven rubbish", and you said that it was really only true of the newer stuff? I think that's getting a little ridiculous. I think it's fairly obvious that the entire saga, from start to finish was meant to be a commercial endeavor. What makes the new stuff any less artistic than the things he did originally?
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
For him to re-release the older versions, that's purely a consumer demand issue for him. If that can't be done without losing money, then he doesn't see the business sense in doing it. Artistically, he didn't want to re-release it at all. What you are basically saying is the following:

- Releasing the old movies is a business decision from Lucas.
- Constantly altering the old trilogy in order to sell the same old movies over and over again is now an "artistic decision"???

Sorry, now you are being REALLY ridiculous. Lucas keeps altering them to satisfy his artistic tastes. The only interest he would have in re-releasing the originals is to meet consumer demand for them.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic So yeah a lot of people weren't impressed, but that doesn't mean his artistic vision for these films is "wrong" it just means you don't like it. And I never said something different. Of course, he may do whatever he likes to his movies. He may even burn the original negatives, and call this artistic self expression. I only care for the original movies, and judge the decision he makes from this point of view. Who I don’t get is the fans, who are constantly trying to justify his decisions. I mean, shouldn’t a STAR WARS fan be concerned that the original movies are properly preserved for the future? Where is the logic to defend Lucas, whose "artistic vision" is clearly destroying the movies people grew up with? Destroying the original negatives. Preventing public viewings of original 35mm copies of the OOT. I only speak for myself when I say I appreciate the way Lucas is tweaking and to me he is improving them. For me it's not about the special effects as much as it's about the story. To me what he's done not only hasn't harmed the original films, it's actually made them better. He said that if he didn't do the restoration when he did, there would never have been -any- Star Wars. What you call "destroying the original print" I call saving it's life. To me it's not all that big of a deal if Lucas wants to make Greedo shoot first, or if he wants to put Hayden in as the ghost in ROTJ. To me, it still represents the same thing: The good man who was Luke's father.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I'm not pointing fingers here, but surely you have to admit there have been a lot of insults sent his way.
Well, so what? What is YOUR concern about this? This guy is a big boy, with loads of money and who doesn’t care about his fanbase. You certainly don’t have to jump for him into the bushes, defending him from everyone who is so mean to him to put him VERBALLY down. The only reason I really speak out about this is because I think that if we want him to care more about us, we have to be reasonable about it. If all we do is cry out that Lucas is a cold hearted businessman with no artistic intent in the first place, well I don't see why he -should- care more than he has.
Well, I say what I think, and his actions clearly back this theory up. Why should he actually care more, if everyone is rubbing his balls?
If the people who are asking him to make this happen do it in a nice way, he is much more likely to look at our sad puppy dog eyes and cave in. If he sees us all foaming at the mouth and growling like Cujo, then he is more likely to just slam the door shut and say "screw those negative bastards", they can preserve their own O-OT for all I care.Originally posted by: VigoAgain, the misconception that he actually released the OOT to please fans. They did it to clear the inventory and dry up the bootleg market. He said himself that he doesn’t care. Period.
It wasn't "just" to give us what we wanted, but in the end, it was what we asked for.Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
The worst he did was not produce the versions everyone wanted to have on DVD.
The worst thing he did was destroying the original negative of the original Star Wars films. For every Star Wars fan, this should be unforgivable.And yet somehow a lot of us do.
Well, this says a lot about the affection these "fans" pretend to have for those films.
Yeah, I love these films so much that sticking a CG Jabba in ANH, or making Greedo shoot first, or putting Hayden into ROTJ wasn't enough to change that.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
You don't see him putting down all the ways we might have done it differently.
He doesn’t need to, since he is in the position to get his way, no matter what everyone else thinks.Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
He doesn't say that the people who disagree with him are not artistically competent.
Again, he doesn’t need to.
My question is why do we need to do that in reverse? What does that gain for us? What purpose does that serve?To be honest, for me, it serves my purpose of practicising the english language. And I like discussing with PEOPLE. To challenge my view against other views, and gain a higher state of consciousness. This is my "artistic vision".
I can respect that, it's pretty much why I'm here too. Although I speak english, practice is always good.Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
The way I see it, he is stubborn about his vision, but gracious about the diversity of opinions out there.
Yes, of course we can all be so thankful that he so "gracious" about the diversity of opinions. Sorry, this is almost like hearing someone talking, who is not a fan but a member of a cult.That's okay. I feel the same way about people who demonize Lucas.
Well, a demon implies negative emotions towards his fans or other people. I don’t think he has them. I don’t think he has any particular positive emotions towards his fans either. Like I said, Lucasfilm is a company, and clearly acts as such. Maximize profits. Selling the same stuff over and over again most efficiently. Going as far as permanently destroying the original movies. This is no art, this is fast food for the masses.
Wouldn't fast food be more like "your way right away"? If this was just fast food to him he would have released the originals on DVD when DVD first came out. He wouldn't have waited until 2004 to put the classic trilogy on DVD.
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According to Lucas, he had time and money to do 3 squib setups for that shot. Each one went off with bad timing. He said in one shot Greedo shot way before Han, in another Han shot way before greedo, and in the one they used, they both went off at about the same time, but you couldn't really tell that. He didn't have time or money to do more setups, so he decided to live with that and try to make it clear through the dialogue that "the idea" was to kill Han.

Didn't Tolkein rewrite his works for future editions? Did he also re-publish his previous works along side his new editions each time?

I don't see the difference here with what Lucas has done.

If this is all just "commercially driven rubbish" then why are any of you trying to preserve it for the sake of "artistic history"?
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I'm just saying what Lucas did wasn't a crime. He was well within his rights to do what he did.

It's not like we all don't already have a billion copies of the O-OT already. Now we can even get it on DVD.

I don't know about you, but I will be able to watch the O-OT until the day I die. And if I want to, I can leave them for someone else after I've gone.

To me, no harm no foul.

The negatives may not exist as they originally were, but they do still exist as the basis for the SE version.

I think it's pretty funny you act like Lucas wouldn't be able to talk about the opinion of film makers, yet you feel you can do that as long as you quote a film maker.
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Originally posted by: Wookie Wedgie
I think that he is just not the best public speaker, and with the way the media tends to present things out of context, he is largely just misunderstood.


OOOH!!! So, that's why the PT's don't make any sense and we have to fabricate and spin half the stuff that's in it to make it work plot-wise. Nobody, not the actors, not the special effects guys, understood him. Got it.

No wonder we don't get his 'vision.' He just wasn't able to completely convey it properly due to the inability to speak eloquently. This would be why the dialogue sucks, too. We just didn't read Lucas' mind...haha.
Seriously, you don't understand the prequels?

I can undertsand that not everone liked them, but they were pretty straight forward.

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He didn't destroy the original negatives, he merely improved them in his opinion, and if you still want to watch the originals he has just re-released them on DVD.

They aren't gone, they just aren't good enough everyone (even though this is as good as it has -ever- looked on home video to date).

Who is George Lucas to speak on behalf of "film makers"? Are you kidding me? I suppose that as a viewer, you are better able to speak on the behalf of film makers? Because you once heard the director of Wrath Of Khan tell you that no matter what anyone else thinks, that once a movie is released, it blongs to the viewers?

I'm curious, have you made any films yourself?

"Criminal" Past? How can anyone take this stance seriously?

And to top it off, you call -him- a "fucktard lunatic".

You don't have to care what he wants, but I really don't blame him for not caring about what you want either.
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Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I don't deny the business side of Lucas, I just think that his idea of good business is to make the best product he can. I realise the non Anamorphic release isn't the best he could have done. To him the SE version was the best he could do. Then why did he put the OOT in it in the first place, from this point of view? Inferior films in shoddy quality. What about his "artistic vision"(tm) ? Well, having the original versions seemed to be really important to us.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Obviousy not everyone thinks the new changes were for the better, and legitimately prefer the original verisons. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and I do hope that all SW fans can enjoy as much or as little of the saga as they want to, in the format they prefer. I´m glad you approve our taste. I think everyone's taste is perfectly valid from their own point of view.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I just also understand where Lucas is coming from. I don't think it's about disrespecting the people who don't agree with him as much as he is respecting his own vision for it with a determined passion. Yeah, he is respecting his own vision so much, like changing the movies over and over again in each new release, always claiming that these have ALWAYS been his visions. Well I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding here. I don't think he is really trying to claim that he had the whole vision for the SW saga from the very beginning. I think he means to say that most of the things he did to change the classic trilogy were the result of things he couldn't originally do exactly the way he had hoped he could do it. Also each release has represented his "definative" vision "at the time" I think there was part of him that thought that he might only go so far with it, but then as he went he decided to go even further.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Honestly, you don´t believe this crap yourself, do you? Yes, I think Lucas has by and large been pretty honest about all of this. I think that he is just not the best public speaker, and with the way the media tends to present things out of context, he is largely just misunderstood.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Nobody could talk him out of making SW in the first place, and a lot of people thought he was crazy to do it in the first place. Why would he suddenly come to the conclusion that his detractors are right now? I think it is a bit selfish to not give a crap about the people who prefer the originals, but I honesty don't see many of those people giving a crap about what he wants either. You are right. With one small little mistake: Star Wars is not art. It´s a franchise, a product. A franchise is supposed to make money. And it only makes money, if it pleases the customers, i.e. the price is right according to the product´s value. Everything else is wishful thinking. You said it yourself, GL won´t be pissing money away for a non-profitable OOT restauration. So i won´t be pissing away my money for him. Simple. I think that art and business can both mutually exist if the artist is also the businessman. Lucas' artistic sensibilities are preserved in the SE version and whatever version is coming next year. For him to re-release the older versions, that's purely a consumer demand issue for him. If that can't be done without losing money, then he doesn't see the business sense in doing it. Artistically, he didn't want to re-release it at all.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I know some of you have no problem with his changes as long as the original is provided along side of it, but by and large there is a lot of crap being flung in Lucas general direction over all of this. While I can relate to the hard feelings over his suppression of the O-OT and now his lackluster presentation of the O-OT, I think that there is a lot of disrespect given to him beyond that, putting down his artistic vision to the point where you might get the idea that SW was great despite Lucas.
Well, if such a lot of disrespect is given to his artistic vision, doesn´t it occur to you that perhaps he might have screwed up the last few years, artistically? (Not monetary, all prequel Star Wars films did very well at the boxoffice). Why are these issues like "Han shoots first!!" so popular? Is everyone an ignorant bastard, who is incapable of seeing Lucas "artistic vision" behind it?
I think what happens is people get attatched to things. I can relate to the way a lot of people fell in love with the originals, and would just prefer to remember them that way. I don't think there is anything wrong with being disappointed in the changes, and I think there is nothing wrong with asking Lucas to reconsider his stance on releasing the originals. The thing is, not everyone cares about who shot first. Not everyone cares about the switch to Hayden Ghost in ROTJ. Some people actually think that's just fine. I for one think that by and large, Lucas hasn't really altered the classic trilogy. I think all the changes are mostly cosmetic, and don't alter the storyline or characters in any signifigant way. So yeah a lot of people weren't impressed, but that doesn't mean his artistic vision for these films is "wrong" it just means you don't like it.Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I'm not pointing fingers here, but surely you have to admit there have been a lot of insults sent his way.
Well, so what? What is YOUR concern about this? This guy is a big boy, with loads of money and who doesn´t care about his fanbase. You certainly don´t have to jump for him into the bushes, defending him from everyone who is so mean to him to put him VERBALLY down.
The only reason I really speak out about this is because I think that if we want him to care more about us, we have to be reasonable about it. If all we do is cry out that Lucas is a cold hearted businessman with no artistic intent in the first place, well I don't see why he -should- care more than he has.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
The worst he did was not produce the versions everyone wanted to have on DVD.
The worst thing he did was destroying the original negative of the original Star Wars films. For every Star Wars fan, this should be unforgivable.
And yet somehow a lot of us do.Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
You don't see him putting down all the ways we might have done it differently.
He doesn´t need to, since he is in the position to get his way, no matter what everyone else thinks.Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
He doesn't say that the people who disagree with him are not artistically competant.
Again, he doesn´t need to.
My question is why do we need to do that in reverse? What does that gain for us? What purpose does that serve?Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
The way I see it, he is stubborn about his vision, but gracious about the diversity of opinions out there.
Yes, of course we can all be so thankful that he so "gracious" about the diversity of opinions. Sorry, this is almost like hearing someone talking, who is not a fan but a member of a cult.
That's okay. I feel the same way about people who demonize Lucas.
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He has always suffered the slings and arrows of his critics.

I think he's more than used to it by now.
George Lucas: I’m the one who has to take responsibility for it. I’m the one who has to have everybody throw rocks at me all the time, so at least if they’re going to throw rocks at me, they’re going to throw rocks at me for something I love rather than something I think is not very good, or at least something I think is not finished.
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I don't deny the business side of Lucas, I just think that his idea of good business is to make the best product he can.

I realise the non Anamorphic release isn't the best he could have done. To him the SE version was the best he could do.

Obviousy not everyone thinks the new changes were for the better, and legitimately prefer the original verisons. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and I do hope that all SW fans can enjoy as much or as little of the saga as they want to, in the format they prefer.

I just also understand where Lucas is coming from.

I don't think it's about disrespecting the people who don't agree with him as much as he is respecting his own vision for it with a determined passion.

Nobody could talk him out of making SW in the first place, and a lot of people thought he was crazy to do it in the first place. Why would he suddenly come to the conclusion that his detractors are right now? I think it is a bit selfish to not give a crap about the people who prefer the originals, but I honesty don't see many of those people giving a crap about what he wants either.

I know some of you have no problem with his changes as long as the original is provided along side of it, but by and large there is a lot of crap being flung in Lucas general direction over all of this.

While I can relate to the hard feelings over his suppression of the O-OT and now his lackluster presentation of the O-OT, I think that there is a lot of disrespect given to him beyond that, putting down his artistic vision to the point where you might get the idea that SW was great despite Lucas.

I'm not pointing fingers here, but surely you have to admit there have been a lot of insults sent his way.

The worst he did was not produce the versions everyone wanted to have on DVD. You don't see him putting down all the ways we might have done it differently. He doesn't say that the people who disagree with him are not artistically competant. The way I see it, he is stubborn about his vision, but gracious about the diversity of opinions out there.
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I just meant from his point of view.

You have to understand that Lucas is spending quite a bit of money already "restoring" the classic trilogy. It's just to him, it's far more important to make it more the way he wanted it than to preserve how it was originally. To him, he's trying to ensure that Star Wars will last long after he is gone, and last as a truer representation of what he wanted it to be.

For him to go back and restore the versions of the films he felt weren't finished in the first place is counter productive to his own personal artistic goals.

I think part of the reason he didn't release the O-OT on DVD at all is because he probably felt that the laserdisc Master just wouldn't be up to today's standards. I think that's why it was like pulling teeth for Jim Ward to finally convince him to okay the September solution.

If he were to go back and restore a print of the O-OT, and bring it up to today's standards, it would be for the benefit of the people who actually want those cuts, not Lucas. Sure he stands to make money from it, but only if there is enough interest to off set the cost of the restoration in the first place.

That's why I see this September release as a way to show Lucas that the original versions -do- matter to a substantial enough group of people to make the restoration effort finacially self sustaining.

I agree with your assessment of THX. Lucas certainly knows the consumer dynamic like the back of his hand.

For me in the end, I hold myself responsible for any of my purchases. If I choose to be double dipped, then I choose to be double dipped.
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I don't see why he should feel guilty for having his own opinion about how his own movies should be.

I don't see why he should feel motivated to conform to other people's ideas for what Star Wars should be, even if they happened to like what he did originally.

He says he's sorry about that, but he has his own opinion about how they should be.

You make it out like the fanbase is all of the same opinion. Everyone I have ever talked to is different, and pleasing "the fans" is just not possible.

Not everyone in the fan base thinks that Lucas is taking things in the wrong direction.

The only thing Lucas can really count on as a tangible direction is his own vision for these films.

I think that if he were to keep the originals in standard quality along side the new editions, that would make the most people happy.
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I agree there is a damned if you buy damned if you don't mentality about the idea that this latest release could lead to a better version of the O-OT.

I mean on the one hand I realize a lot of people want to hold off buying it to voice their opinion that they want better quality, but if nobody buys this then Lucas can sit back and say: See nobody wanted it.

I think that if I were in that position I would just pick up the September release anyway.

Worse case scenario, he doesn't make a better version available, but at least you will have that.

Best case scenario, Lucas has a huge change of heart and decides to sink more money and effort into restoring the O-OT.

I think that would be worth being double dipped.

I just think the chances of a boycott of this release leading to Lucas saying, oh that's just because I didn't make a great transfer, I'll get on that right away is far less than him looking at gang buster sales of the September release and saying: Maybe this would be worth more of my time and money.

I don't deny he is a business man, and if there is money to be made, he will likely do that. I don't see him donating money to something that is just pissing it away with no return.
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This was cut and pasted from here.
SAN RAFAEL, Calif. - George Lucas never figured on a 30-year career as a space pilot. Once “Star Wars” shot into hyperspace, though, he found it hard to come back down to Earth.

Making its DVD debut Tuesday, Lucas’ original sci-fi trilogy — “Star Wars,” “The Empire Strikes Back” and “Return of the Jedi” — began as an experimental foray into old-time studio moviemaking for Lucas, whose first two films had been far removed from usual Hollywood sensibilities.

Lucas’ sci-fi satire “THX 1138” had been a commercial dud, but the energetic “American Graffiti” with its driving soundtrack and multi-character point of view scored with audiences, giving the director clout to try something bigger that had been on his mind.

“I’d already started this other idea, which was to do a kind of a classic action adventure film using sets,” Lucas said over lunch at his 2,600-acre Skywalker Ranch. “I’d never worked on a set, I’d never worked at a studio. Never made a traditional movie. So I said, ‘I’m going to do this once, just to see what it’s like, what it’s like to actually design everything, work on a soundstage, do an old-fashioned 1930s movie.

“And I’ll do it in that mode from the 1930s Saturday matinee serials, using kind of 1930s and ’40s sensibilities, and I’ll base it on sort of mythological motifs and icons. I’ll just put it together in a modern form, and I’ll have fun. That’s how I got into that. I did it because it was an interesting move into an area that I thought I’d never go into.”

Three decades later, Lucas is preparing to launch the last of his six “Star Wars” films. Next summer brings “Star Wars: Episode III — Revenge of the Sith,” completing the prequel trilogy that tells the story of young Anakin Skywalker’s metamorphosis into the villainous Darth Vader of the original three films.

Fans have eagerly awaited the first three “Star Wars” films on DVD, a release Lucas initially intended to delay until he finished “Episode III.”

Some will be miffed that the original theatrical versions are not included in the “Star Wars” boxed set, which features only the special-edition versions Lucas issued in the late 1990s, with added effects and footage, including a scene between Harrison Ford’s Han Solo and crime lord Jabba the Hutt in the first “Star Wars.”

AP: Why did you change your mind and decide to put the original three movies out on DVD now?

Lucas: Just because the market has shifted so dramatically. A lot of people are getting very worried about piracy. That has really eaten dramatically into the sales. It really just came down to, there may not be a market when I wanted to bring it out, which was like, three years from now. So rather than just sit by and watch the whole thing fall apart, better to bring it out early and get it over with.

AP: Why did you rework the original trilogy into the special-edition versions in the late 1990s?

Lucas: To me, the special edition ones are the films I wanted to make. Anybody that makes films knows the film is never finished. It’s abandoned or it’s ripped out of your hands, and it’s thrown into the marketplace, never finished. It’s a very rare experience where you find a filmmaker who says, “That’s exactly what I wanted. I got everything I needed. I made it just perfect. I’m going to put it out there.” And even most artists, most painters, even composers would want to come back and redo their work now. They’ve got a new perspective on it, they’ve got more resources, they have better technology, and they can fix or finish the things that were never done. ... I wanted to actually finish the film the way it was meant to be when I was originally doing it. At the beginning, people went, “Don’t you like it?” I said, “Well, the film only came out to be 25 or 30 percent of what I wanted it to be.” They said, “What are you talking about?” So finally, I stopped saying that, but if you read any interviews for about an eight- or nine-year period there, it was all about how disappointed I was and how unhappy I was and what a dismal experience it was. You know, it’s too bad you need to get kind of half a job done and never get to finish it. So this was my chance to finish it.

AP: Why not release both the originals and special editions on DVD?

Lucas: The special edition, that’s the one I wanted out there. The other movie, it’s on VHS, if anybody wants it. ... I’m not going to spend the, we’re talking millions of dollars here, the money and the time to refurbish that, because to me, it doesn’t really exist anymore. It’s like this is the movie I wanted it to be, and I’m sorry you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it. But I want it to be the way I want it to be. I’m the one who has to take responsibility for it. I’m the one who has to have everybody throw rocks at me all the time, so at least if they’re going to throw rocks at me, they’re going to throw rocks at me for something I love rather than something I think is not very good, or at least something I think is not finished.

AP: Do you pay much attention to fan reactions to your choices?

Lucas: Not really. The movies are what the movies are. ... The thing about science-fiction fans and “Star Wars” fans is they’re very independent-thinking people. They all think outside the box, but they all have very strong ideas about what should happen, and they think it should be their way. Which is fine, except I’m making the movies, so I should have it my way.

AP: After “Episode III,” will you ever revisit “Star Wars”?

Lucas: Ultimately, I’m going to probably move it into television and let other people take it. I’m sort of preserving the feature film part for what has happened and never go there again, but I can go off into various offshoots and things. You know, I’ve got offshoot novels, I’ve got offshoot comics. So it’s very easy to say, “Well, OK, that’s that genre, and I’ll find a really talented person to take it and create it.” Just like the comic books and the novels are somebody else’s way of doing it. I don’t mind that. Some of it might turn out to be pretty good. If I get the right people involved, it could be interesting.
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#256868
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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I understand the feelings involved here, but I really don't see Lucas as disrespecting anyone here.

It's not like he set out to rid the earth of the original version. He says that when he went to restore SW for the 20th anneversary, the negatives and prints had deteriorated far more than they were expecting them to. If he didn't restore the films when he did, we wouldn't even have the SE versions today.

He chose to update the films to make them more like he was hoping they had turned out, and in the process, he permanantly altered the negative. Now the only negative he has is the special edition.

I am not too sure about the details of all those other sets you mention that you feel get far better treatment, but I bet they started from a fairly in tact negative. I don't think they spent nearly as much to make new anamorphic transfers as Lucas did to create the SE version. I know it's the SE, and some of you see that as an entirely different set of films (for valid reason), but it's not Like Lucas was just pissing on us. He reinvested a ton of time and money to "maintain" SW for the next generation.

Now for him to make an anamorphic transfer of the O-OT, he would have to clean up a PRINT, not a negative, and not only that, all the prints that exist today have serious issues that would have to be meticulously straingtended out, just to get back to the original picture quality.

From what I understand, that's possible, but it won't be cheap.

As far as "respect" for us, I think he shows the people who don't like his new stuff a whole lot more respect than he gets in return. He always talks about how the fans who disagree with his artistic taste know how to think out of the box, and are very creative in their own right. He has even apologised for not making the original versions available. He didn't rectify it, but he did say he was sorry, even if he still wanted to do things his way.

Now we have this September release, which may not be the treatement we were all hoping for, but it's a step in the right direction I think.

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#256866
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The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
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I think you are right about some of the negativity for the new stuff being sort of in reaction to the way the originals have been marginalized.

I hope that Lucas can surprise us in the coming year, and if he can do that, then I think it will truly be a time for celebration.

I'd like to see him do that, and then I hope that people who feel as you do will be able to forgive and enjoy the new stuff a little bit more just because it's no longer the reason you can't get the O-OT in higher quality.

I'm not expecting 100% reversals, but at the very least a little more tolerance all the way around.


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#256648
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The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
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Originally posted by: Guy Caballero
But don't you think that if the characters had been properly developed, killing Padme would be emotionally equal to killing Princess Leia?


I guess for me it already was equivelent.

What wasn't properly developed about the characters?


When it comes to Anakin's likability, I thought he was pretty much relatable up until he finally turned. He showed remorse for the tusken slaying which is relatable because what if it were -your- mom?

When it comes to Anakin's arrogance, I thought that was on display in TPM from the get go. Anakin goes on and on about how great he is, and how he's building this awesome robot, and how he's the only human who is capable of racing pods. The main difference is his disposition, which has become less patient. I thought they did a decent job of illustrating his frustration with the Jedi Order and with Obi-Wan which led to this change of disposition. Add a little romance to the equation and watch it boil over like one of those baking soda volcanoes from the science fair.
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#256641
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The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
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I keep repeating over and over that it's -not- about right or wrong.

I agree about the power of characters.

If I couldn't connect with the prequel characters, gotten emotionally attatched to them, or sympathised with their plight, I wouldn't have enjoyed the prequels either.

I guess to me trying to recapture what made the classic trilogy great is a losing proposition. There is really no way to do that short of telling the same kind of story over again or as you suggested, by having the same "characters" that we fell in love with from the beginning.

To me the prequels are like a mirror image of the classic trilogy, like a yin is a mirror to the yang. They aren't the same, but they fill the other's void. To me this makes for a more well rounded story. You get to see many of the topics from several different, sometimes opposite points of view.

I mean we have a situation where each trilogy is about a force sensitve religion (that has been reduced to having only 2 members in hiding) trying to regain control of the galaxy. But they are polar opposites.

It's about a rebellion that ultimately changes the galaxy from democracy into a dictatorship and a rebellion that ultimately changes the dictatorship into a democracy.

I just think that in the long run, the extra detail will pay off better than trying to "recapture" the magic of the classic trilogy.