Go-Mer-Tonic

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Post: #261899
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261899/action/topic#261899
Time: 18-Dec-2006 10:42 AM

You guys couldn't be bothered to care, so you didn't.

I don't see why you blame Lucas for something that was clearly your responsibility.

Post: #261896
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261896/action/topic#261896
Time: 18-Dec-2006 10:35 AM

You focus determined your reality.

I thought it was comparable, and about on par myself.

Post: #261678
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261678/action/topic#261678
Time: 15-Dec-2006 4:41 PM

Long after Lucas is gone, you will still be sarcastic about him.

Post: #261675
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261675/action/topic#261675
Time: 15-Dec-2006 4:16 PM

You guys are just so resistant to change that you refuse to understand what Lucas did in the end.

Post: #261665
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261665/action/topic#261665
Time: 15-Dec-2006 3:15 PM

As long as you come to the right conclusion, I won't nitpick your logic.

Post: #261657
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261657/action/topic#261657
Time: 15-Dec-2006 2:41 PM

It was okay, it's just much more sunstantial now. Before it was a stick figure of meaning, now it's fully fleshed out.

Post: #261655
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261655/action/topic#261655
Time: 15-Dec-2006 2:40 PM

If Luke had saved the day, sure.

But the ultimate hero is someone we were never introduced to.

Post: #261648
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261648/action/topic#261648
Time: 15-Dec-2006 2:09 PM

No it's hollow for redeeming someone we were never introduced to.

Post: #261640
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261640/action/topic#261640
Time: 15-Dec-2006 1:13 PM

Those people who had only seen the classic trilogy do not have the benefit of Lucas' full view of the story that included the prequels.

Lucas certainly did take it in that direction after he had decided that the story was already heading in that direction on it's own.

I mean even going on just the classic trilogy it's Anakin who saved the day at the end. Without him, Luke would have fried like a pork sausage.

The classic trilogy's resolution on it's own is fairly hollow without the prequels.

Post: #261635
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261635/action/topic#261635
Time: 15-Dec-2006 12:56 PM

I think the confusion lies in Lucas' contention that while he didn't set out to make it all about Anakin, that the story really was about Anakin all along.

He didn't intend it, that just sort of manifested itself to him as he went along.

Post: #261629
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261629/action/topic#261629
Time: 15-Dec-2006 12:15 PM

What's so bad about finding the meaning of the story as he went along? He says that he set out to create a modern myth, but when he purposely set out with the intention of covering all the Mythological bases, he had all kinds of trouble. But when he just focussed on the characters, and started letting the story unfold, he noticed that many of the components of Myth appeared organically without his direct intention.

It's not like any of you guys were born with a 6 film saga all worked out in your head, why can't Lucas make it up like everyone else in the movie making industry?

At least he does a good job at it.

Post: #261570
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261570/action/topic#261570
Time: 14-Dec-2006 6:40 PM

You know what, I am beginning to think some of the people here didn't like the prequels very much.

Post: #261330
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261330/action/topic#261330
Time: 13-Dec-2006 9:29 AM

The rule of 2 seems fine to me. I'm assuming the Emperor didn't quite bring it up yet. The same thing happened to DooKu.

I don't know, I think it's a really interesting addition to the lore of the Sith. Makes them more evil than your average super villain.

Post: #261278
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261278/action/topic#261278
Time: 12-Dec-2006 9:16 PM

To me the idea is Vader knew there was something about Luke when he sensed the Force was strong in him in the trench of the first Death Star.

Luke is his new angle on finally overthrowing the Emperor as per his offer to him on the gantry in Cloud City.

Vader is out in the feild when they discover that the name is Skywalker. That's why he's saying that he knows Skywalker is with them.

He didn't exactly want Palpatine to know he was already looking for him, because then Palpatine would question his loyalty.

He's just playing dumb to the Emperor that whole conversation. They both pretend that three of them could be a happy Sith family, but they both intend to replace the other with Luke.

That's why the Emperor pauses and repeats Yes... He's thinking about that to himself.

To me the biggest reason for this change was to make the Emperor consistant by having Ian playing him.

I guess I can see how the "how is that possible" helps smooth things over with the prequels by tying into what he thought happened to Padme and his potential children. I don't know to me it's basically the same scene with the consistant emperor.

Really the original monkey woman wasn't quite lame in it's own right. I can see why some of you even prefer that Emperor to the ROTJ version. But after really loving the way Ian played him in ROTJ (and now the prequels), the ESB version just sort of stuck out more to me.

Post: #261211
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261211/action/topic#261211
Time: 12-Dec-2006 2:40 PM

Yeah if you sell your DVD player. I'm keeping mine.

Post: #261203
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261203/action/topic#261203
Time: 12-Dec-2006 1:57 PM

Says one of the many SW fans who can't let go of the past.

The main reason they changed the Emperor hologram in ESB was to tie it into ROTJ.

The prequels were made to also fit with the ROTJ emperor. I don't see anything about this alteration to ESB that accomodates -anything- introduced by the PT.

Post: #261188
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261188/action/topic#261188
Time: 12-Dec-2006 12:45 PM

If you ask me the Monkey Woman was lame from the get go.

You only know that Vader and Anakin are the same guy if you have seen the prequels. They talk about Anakin Skywalker as if he's a different person still.

Original Scene:

Darth Vader: What is thy bidding my master

Emperor: There is a great disturbance in the Force.

Darth Vader: I have felt it.

Darth Vader: We have a new enemy. Luke Skywalker.

Darth Vader: Yes, my master.

Emperor: He could destroy us.

Darth Vader: He's just a boy, Obi-Wan can no longer help him.

Emperor: The Force is strong with him. The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.

Darth Vader: If he could be turned, he would become a powerful ally.

Emperor: Yes.... Yes. He would be a great asset. Can it be done?

Darth Vader: He will join us or die Master. New Special Edition 2004 scene:
Darth Vader: What is thy bidding, my master?

Emperor: There is a great disturbance in the Force.

Darth Vader: I have felt it.

Emperor: We have a new enemy. The young rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt, this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.

Darth Vader: How is that possible?

Emperor: Search your feelings Lord Vader, you will know it to be true. He could destroy us.

Darth Vader: He's just a boy, Obi-Wan can no longer help him.

Emperor: The Force is strong with him. The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.

Darth Vader: If he could be turned, he would become a powerful ally.

Emperor: Yes.... Yes. He would be a great asset. Can it be done?

Darth Vader: He will join us or die Master.

Post: #261178
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261178/action/topic#261178
Time: 12-Dec-2006 11:48 AM

The dialogue didn't change in substance, it's still about how Luke is the Son of Anakin Skywalker.

Post: #261169
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261169/action/topic#261169
Time: 12-Dec-2006 10:51 AM

Changing the monkey woman to Ian McDairmid was done to fix a mistake in the classic trilogy.

There were no mistakes in the preuquels that had to be covered up.

Post: #261158
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261158/action/topic#261158
Time: 12-Dec-2006 9:28 AM

Mistakes are meant to be fixed.

Post: #261050
Topic: ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261050/action/topic#261050
Time: 11-Dec-2006 4:55 PM

Maybe Lorne Peterson doesn't see digital enhancement as an insult to modelmakers.

Maybe he is mature enough to realize that it's just another tool to make movie magic with, and doesn't concern himself with this idea that some effects are insulting to other kinds of effects.

Post: #261013
Topic: ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261013/action/topic#261013
Time: 11-Dec-2006 12:57 PM

I don't see the problem, his models are still in the SE versions of these movies, and the latest SW movies used more models per movie than the classic trilogy films combined.

I don't see how Lucas is slighting the work of the model maker.

Post: #260755
Topic: ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/260755/action/topic#260755
Time: 8-Dec-2006 9:21 AM

I think that if Lucas was "detatched" and if he wasn't worried about making good movies, the prequels wouldn't have been very good.

Explain that.

Post: #260565
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/260565/action/topic#260565
Time: 6-Dec-2006 9:45 PM

When he says he "may have gone too far", he is just talking about how fast he cut the ending together.

He says he really liked how these have been turning out. He seemed to be the most satisfied with Revenge of the Sith.

Post: #260519
Topic: Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/260519/action/topic#260519
Time: 6-Dec-2006 5:22 PM

Originally posted by: Fang Zei

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
We owned whatever it was be bought. If we bought a ticket to a screening we saw a screening, if we buy it on DVD, we get to keep that DVD.

The only reason I even wanted the 2004 dvd was because of all the extra features and the digital restoration of the movies, not the content of the SE's themselves. Also, Lucas plainly stated that the original versions no longer exist. He lied.

Lucas said they no longer exist to "him". Not that they don't exist. It's a subtle difference, one that means Lucas wasn't lying in this instance.