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#250704
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What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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Originally posted by: CO
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic

Sure it's not perfect. But I say it's still closer to perfect than they ever were before.


But it was perfect before, and didn't need all that B.S. additions to it. If Lucas cleaned up the picture and spruced up some effects, 99% of the fans wouldn't have a problem with the SE. Gomer it is the scenes that just stick out of these classic movies and DIDNT need to be changed. We didn't need Hayden in ROTJ, we didn't need Greedo shooting first, we didn't need Vaders arrival in ESB after leaving Bespin, we didn't need Jedi Rocks, etc. The movies were already great and defined movies even in todays standards, and you only fix something if it is broke, the O-OT was such a success, why **** with it?

I constantly hear SE & PT fans say, "Sure, it isn't perfect....." Well, for me the O-OT is perfect, and of course that is my opinion, but that is why I love it so much, there is nothing that bothers me where I have to make excuses for. I just feel if you have to trot out the line, 'nothing is perfect' then that tells me you see the same flaws I do.

If Lucas would have just released every DVD version with the O-OT/SE together in the same quality, nobody would have a problem, but the more Lucas tightens his grip on the O-OT and tries to kill it, the more fans will walk away and put their hands up.
So when you say nobody says the OT is perfect, you aren't including yourself in that estimation?

If you ask me it's the people who unfairly criticize the prequels for the same issues that people complained about in the classic trilogy who are burdened with with a double standard.
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#250691
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What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250691/action/topic#250691
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It's also possible for someone to go into the prequels with a double standard that favors the classic trilogy.

I think a lot of us saw the classic trilogy when we were much younger, and a lot of us just accepted it unconditionally. Some of us actually go so far as to call them perfect. Now we are older, we know more about how movies are made, and we pick up on the seams in the tapestry Lucas is weaving with these films.

I really think a lot of the things people say are bad in the prequels, were also issues in the classic trilogy. Maybe if we were 20 some years older than we were when we first saw them, we would be picking apart the classic trilogy in the same way a lot of us pick apart the prequles, but we already accepted them into our hearts when our minds were much more open and now they enjoy a grandfather clause that keeps them from being subject to the same critical reasoning a lot of us use to condemn the prequels.
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#250643
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&quot;..secret to the future is quantity,&quot; Lucas said
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I don't know MikeO, I have Lucas saying it would cost millions, and you saying it wouldn't. How would we know how much it would cost to restore one of Lucas's well worn prints? Maybe they are so far gone that it would take the kind of power he used on the 2004 SE cleanup process. That did cost millions of dollars.

And he's not insulting the fans, he says flat out that they think outside of the box and are very creative. He seems to respect that.

I think if the original creators of the Flash Gordon serials were around to say "I really wish I could have done this on color" then I think Lucas would be all for it. To him it's about artist's rights.

He spoke out about colorizing the 3 stooges at one point, but in that case it was someone other than the original creators altering it.

As far as the other people who worked on it for Lucas, Lucas paid them for those contributions.

It's all on the up and up.
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#250616
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What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250616/action/topic#250616
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I didn't say it was the same across all 6 movies, I said it was fairly comparable.

I think Lucas is the master of making exposition as sweet and to the point as possible.

I also don't think he "explained" everything in the prequels. A lot of people think for example that Midichlorians was this huge peice of exposition, but it was far shorter than Yoda or Ben rambling on and on about the Force in the classic trilogy. I'm not putting the classic trilogy down, I happen to love that exposition. I just think it all comes down to wether or not you are being open minded about the prequels. If you are open minded then you can roll along with all the things the prequels introduce without rolling your eyes, but if you go in with the mindset that Lucas shouldn't be adding anything to what we had in the classic trilogy, then anything new that Lucas introduces suddenly becomes "uneccesary, pointless exposition".

I really think there is a bit of prequel discrimination at work behind a lot of the "Prequels Explain Too Much" argument.
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#250422
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What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250422/action/topic#250422
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Originally posted by: Windexed
A) The history of the star wars universe and the Republic itself have been around for 1000s of years. The empire was now around for 20-some odd years. Rather just a tiny blip on the radar. What?
Originally posted by: Windexed
B) Far too much time was wasted on the republic turning into the empire. Yes, it adds a new element into the mix, but it eats up valuable time that could have been used for far more crucial situations. Yeah, Anakin and Padme fall in love in little over an hour, and then lets spend 30 seconds on Anakin turning into Vader, which is (or should have been) the whole point of the fuckin PT, but instead we need to waste countless minutes on Palpatine fooling various cgi senators. Yes, we did. The story of Star Wars is a story of a good man who became evil and then found redemption set against the backdrop of a democracy that turns into a dictatorship until democracy was restored. The whole story -is- important.
Originally posted by: Windexed
C) Some things are better being left a mystery. That's one of the my major complaints. Not every single thing needs to be explained. In the OT, something was just there - take it or leave it. Instead everytime someone speaks in the PT, they are explaining what is going on.

"Artoo - what is it? You have a message from Obi-Wan?" Oh my god, they explained that a message came from Obi-Wan? It would have been so much better if they never said who the message was from. We could have assumed it was whoever we wanted if they hadn't explained that plot point, now we have to accept who Lucas says sent the message.Originally posted by: Windexed
"Buzzdroids"!
Oh my god, they told us what they were called? That leaves nothing to the imagination!Originally posted by: Windexed
"Anakin - you have to take out such and such"
It seems they didn't do too good a job explaining this, I don't even know what you are reffering to.Originally posted by: Windexed
"Those are the forward stabalizers!"
The mystery of space flight is now reduced to something no more exotic than a plane here on Earth!

Seriously I would love to hear how any one of these thing you bring up are "explaining" everything.

If you thought that was going overboard, how do you feel about:

"It's from a person of some importance I believe" (Damn, now we can't assume on our own that it was someone of little importance.)

"It's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port" (Did we really have to know where one thing was in relation to another?)

"Set your s-foils in attack position" (Noooo, Lucas is conveying information again!)

It's like Lucas won't be happy until he tells the story he's trying to tell! [end sarcasm]
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#250392
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What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250392/action/topic#250392
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Not watching them might have been preferable to you, but you can't have prequels that don't somehow tie into what happens in the classic trilogy.

Without seeing how the Republic becomes the Empire is really just showing one side of the coin, that dictatorship is bad. If you don't show how democracy can rot from within and become a dictatorship "with thunderous applause" it makes things more black and white that life really is.

It's nice, but it's very 2 dimensional. I prefer the depth and insight to be found by showing both the yin and the yang to the situation.
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#250285
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&quot;If you leave now, help them you could...&quot;
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It is interesting to compare how Luke and Anakin were exposed to loss . Luke didn't have premonitions about Owen and Beru's death, just suddenly they were gone. He never had that period of "crap, this might happen, how can I stop it?" followed by the "crap, I was too late to stop it, but if I were only a little quicker!" He didn't have to doubt his actions like Anakin did with regards to his initial losses. The second he has a premonition about Han, Leia and friends, he immediately starts freaking out and becoming pro-active against it. That's why Yoda and Obi-Wan are worried. Suddenly it's Anakin's need to help his friends as a priority over the greater good of the galaxy shining though. It's a very volatile situation.
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#250281
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What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250281/action/topic#250281
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To be fair, they couldn't have prequels that didn't explain how the Republic became the Empire, how Anakin turned to the dark side. I mean it couldn't have been: "Look at all these things that have nothing to do with the last half I already came up with originally!" I understand some people would rather they get to dream up what really happened in their own head (it shows originality and creativity which is a great thing), but you can't really blame Lucas for doing that exact same thing himself.

As far as introducing "new terms and things" that we never heard in the classic trilogy, Lucas has been doing that with each episode, starting with ESB. He introduces new characters, new vehicles, new plot points, the classic trilogy was the same way. I can undertsand how it could end up just sounding foriegn compared to what we are used to, and new doesn't always = "great". But you don't see that as some kind of change in Lucas' approach to this series do you?

Also some things like the word "Sith" were actually around since the very beginning. With Darth supposedly being short for "Dark Lord of the Sith". It may not have come up in the films, but the books (both novels and children's) had it.
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#250278
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Favorite Star Wars Movie
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250278/action/topic#250278
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I don't know I really don't think the classic trilogy changed in any substantial way to "fit in" with the prequels. Most of the changes had nothing to do with the prequels, such as Greedo shooting first, and the Monkey Woman being replaced by the real Emperor. The only changes that I can think of that were made to tie things together with the prequels were merely cosmetic. Boba's lines were merely re-recorded, not changed; Hayden's face was just used to represent the same character that was already appearing before.

The new Emperor scene in Empire pretty much sticks to the dynamic that was already there. With both of them talking about Luke as the son of Skywalker as if Anakin wasn't in the room with them, and both of them have Vader discussing Luke's potential conversion as if they could all be one big happy Sith family, with the Emperor giving that paused "yeah... I won't ditch you the second I convert Luke... Can it be done?" To me the meaning is about the same. Especially when you compare it to Jedi where the Emperor shows his true colors by ordering Luke to strike Vader down.

If you ask me, the prequels were made in such a way as to stick to the way the classic trilogy was already set up. It wasn't just some huge new thing out of left field.

Seriously how do you guys see things as being forced to match up to the prequels?

The classic trilogy is still mainly Luke's story. The only "mental stretching" I am aware of is that of actually accepting more information than what we already had in the classic tirlogy. Was it some kind of huge "mental stretch" to watch ESB and ROTJ after ANH? After all in ESB we find out that Vader is Luke's father. Who saw that coming? Then they had to "stretch" Obi-Wan's comments to Luke about Vader Killing Anakin as some kind of "point of view" convenience.

Then it's like someone was like, didn't Yoda say something about an "other"? Obi-Wan thinks..... looks off set where George is frantically writing out a cue card: "Leia is the other! That's the ticket" .

Are you telling me that's okay and makes perfect sense but we can't know about Anakin or else it somehow changes Luke's contribution to the overall story?

Sure Lucas was making this by the seat of his pants. Hanging everything off a fairly thin outline and fleshing out the details as he went. But that's nothing new, the only reason we didn't notice that with ANH, was because we didn't have any chapters before it to compare to. If we could just roll along with it for the classic trilogy, I don't see what's so different about letting similar things slide in the prequels.
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#250228
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Interesting tidbit about who shot first
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250228/action/topic#250228
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I agree you don't have to think about any of this stuff, you can just enjoy it on an entertainment level. But if I can find a way to allow it to make perfect sense, then all the better.

The guns in Star Wars don't shoot lasers they shoot blaster bolts. The only lasers we really see in the Star Wars movies are the Death Star's main gun and some of the weapons in the Clone Wars like the slow walking laser tanks that bring down one of the Separatist globe thingies as it's trying to take off from Geonosis, and the front cannons on the Republic gun ships. Notice when they fire, you see one continuous beam that connects from the source to the target, which is sustained until the laser is turned off. With the blasters, you see a streak of energy going across the screen. It leaves the source and then impacts the target once it reaches it moments later. The reason they don't use laser guns is because weapon grade lasers take a much larger power supply than can be easily carried around, and the blaster bolt technology is cheaper and the ammo is much more compact. They make up for the lack of accuracy with volume. Also Han is a pretty lucky shot a lot of the time. Chewie has a bow caster which has those magnets on either side of the end of the barrel to help make its shots as accurate as possible, but even then it's not all that precise.

And don't tell me about enjoying the story, I enjoy it just fine thank you very much.
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#250206
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Interesting tidbit about who shot first
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250206/action/topic#250206
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
As far as not understanding the simple elegance of the way the Han/Greedo sequence played out before, I do understand that. I didn't mind it the way it was, but at the same time I can see why Lucas wanted to change it and in the end it's not that big of a deal to me. It's a big deal to me! We're supposed to believe that Greedo, probably well accustomed to aiming his blaster, was holding it two feet or less away from Han and missed, shooting at the wall?! That's very hard to believe. If anything, Lucas' alteration makes me wonder if Greedo was even trying to shoot Han at all.
The way I roll along with this is blasters are just "clumsey and random". At first I thought there was a huge contradiction between Ben's "And these blast points too accurate for sand people.", and the way Han Luke Leia and co. just keep running all over the Death Star with nothing hitting them the whole time. Then I explained it with the idea that they were just letting them escape which was the case, but it never sat well with me that they never seem to get better in the rest of the saga. Now the way I see it is that blasters are just really hard to aim because the energy bolts themselves have a bit of randomness to them. And Ben's statement about the "blast points" were really reffering to the locations they chose to take out on the Sandcrawler. They knew exactly where to hit it, not that their aim was "so precise". Now I'm all good with all of it.Originally posted by: Tiptup
Uhg, and that horrible cgi head of Han's! It makes a very unnaturtal twitch in an effort to dodge the gun blast that wouldn't have even hit his head whether it twitched or not! It was so much better before.
I really thought the 97 SE was fairly jarring, but find the 2004 version to be a bit more smoothed out. To tell you the truth, the way they cut to the "exploding Greedo" shot was always pretty jarring to begin with even in the original version of the sequence.

I do think it works just fine the way it was originally, it's just that it also works for me the way it is now too.
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#250186
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&quot;..secret to the future is quantity,&quot; Lucas said
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He has been fortelling the death of the big budget blockbuster for years now.

His rush in to develop digital technology was done to make it possible for people to make entertainment without as much cost. It cost him a ton to do it, but as that technology he helped develop matures, it will keep getting cheaper and cheaper until you can make a movie without the huge investment risk.

Digital distribution means being able to sell your content without investing a whole lot in distribution. Film makers will no longer need the big bucks from the movie bosses to do that, cutting them out of the picture. That's what Lucas has been trying to do all along is taking the creative decisions away from the bean counters and giving it back to the creators.

He's not talking quantity over quality, he's talking about making it easier to acheive quality for less money.

And for those of you who think Lucas isn't capable of quality himself, these technologies he helped develop are helping everyone make movies with less money up front.

This investment in USC is money he is putting into other people's potential creativity, not his own.
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#250179
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2004 DVD crap-o-la
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250179/action/topic#250179
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If you truly feel the O-OT is perfect, then that's your view and there's nothing wrong with feeling that way. It is because taste is subjective that I am for maintaining the original versions almost as much as the rest of you are. Sure I would still get by with the newer updated versions and be happy enough, but I truly want to see the fan base together again. To have everyone rise above their own personal points of views to see the multitudes of other views out there and to be able to accept and appreciate all of them for representing the unique points of view each one of us has to offer.... From a certain point of view (somebody stop me! )

I think it would be a whole lot easier to get to that point if the fans who prefer the originals had their favorite movies too. If you guys can be happy about things, it wouldn't be so hard to get along with the fans who love the new ones too I think. I keep talking about the anger I see here towards Lucas, and I think it really isn't about hating his point of view as much as you hate feeling left out in the cold by the very franchise you loved the most in the first place. I got upset when I saw someone say "Lucas talks crap in Variety, would sell his dead cat for $5". But now I realize that it's more of a running joke to put Lucas down in as sarcastic a way as possible than some kind of actual hate towards Lucas.

To me the whole saga is greater than the sum of it's parts. I think Mark Hammil was a bit hammy in places, Carrie Fisher's acting was hit and miss, Harrison Ford's acting doesn't seem as good to me in ROTJ. There are technical errors (artifacts from the special effects), continuity errors, convenient plot points (Lucas to all the characters: Come on who wants to be related to Luke next?).

To tell you the truth, I felt that before the prequels, Leia being Luke's sister was a cringe worthy way to tie things up in ROTJ. Watching Vader suddenly pull his goodness out of his ass at the last moment made good narrative sense, but I felt it was a bit thin. You know like "oh Darth's good again and we can all go home now".

With the prequels, I feel Leia being Luke's sister has a lot more to rest on than it did before, which sort of legitimized that development in ROTJ for me. In the same way, seeing who Anakin was before he became Vader has made his return to the light side one of my very favorite moments in the whole saga.

As I look at this as a whole saga, for me it makes better sense to have Hayden in as the Force ghost, because to me that says it's the good part of Anakin that had remained, and not that part of him that had become the twisted wreck of a man known as "Darth Vader". Sure Shaw was the face he saved Luke with, but to me it just visually represented what he had become more than it represented what he used to be.

You say he didn't -have- to put Hayden in there and you are right. But then again Lucas didn't have to make Star Wars in the first place if you get right down to it.
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Yeah, I agree with canofhumdingers's interpretation of the scene. It makes Vader willfully evil to follow the Emperor. It just doesn't make any logistical sense to follow him for an entire generation if all he's really doing is waiting for a chance to overthrow him because he doesn't like what he's done with his life. If he was that unhappy with his decisions, he should have abandoned the Empire or simply killed himself. Anakin became Vader because he was at a point where he felt the Jedi and the Sith were both just as bad in this whole mess. He never denies the evil of the Sith, he merely says that from his point of view the Jedi are evil. Then he talks to Padme about how he's going to overthrow the Emperor. To Anakin the ends justify the means. To him what he is doing is ultimately for the greater good of the galaxy. After Padme dies, his all-consuming passion is to control the galaxy himself so he can make it "the way he wants it to be". He has entirely convinced himself that it's a good thing he's doing. So even as he is being evil, he never makes one of those evil laughs of someone who relishes being evil (as the Emperor does), his tone is one of self-righteousness. As for killing himself, that's just not in his character to let things go. He couldn’t let go of his mother, he couldn't let go of Padme, he certainly wasn't going to let go of his self-proclaimed crusade.Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
And the new scene makes no sense because, as others have pointed out, Vader knew about Luke. He made it no secret that he knew about Luke. The Emperor wasn't calling up Vader to say, "Oh, yeah, by the way, your son is alive." That's common knowledge. Vader wasn't exactly discrete about this information, so it seems unlikely he was trying to keep his search for Skywalker a secret. The point of the call was to inform Vader of the increasing threat. Yeah, Luke destroyed the Death Star. Yeah, he's a key figure in the Rebellion. The Empire needs to get its revenge against him. But now Luke is becoming stronger in the Force. That's the great disturbance. He is becoming a threat, not just to the Empire at large, but to them personally, and to the Sith. He was about to get additional training. That's the purpose of the call. Not to establish family ties or to waste time with some very obvious (to them) family connection. That's just a silly way to (re)interpret the scene, and it's obvious George wasn't thinking too hard when he re-wrote the dialogue, otherwise he would have realized that it doesn't make sense.
In ANH Vader senses Luke in the trenches of the Death Star. In his quest to find out who was strong in the Force within the Rebellion, word got around that Skywalker was the name of the rebel who destroyed the Death Star. Vader was out in the field with first hand access to this information and yet it's a newsworthy piece of information the Emperor thinks he's giving Vader. It's not like Vader found out the name was Skywalker and he started blabbing about it, the imperial officers came upon that information and whether Vader talked about it or not it was going to get to the Emperor eventually. The title crawl for ESB talks about Vader's obsession with finding Skywalker. As soon as he found out the name Skywalker was involved, he knew it was potentially his own offspring, and that gave him renewed hope in being able to finally overthrow the Emperor.

But when the Emperor calls him up and says: "The guy we are looking for is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker" Vader can't just say: "Yeah, I know, um didn't you get my text message about that?"

He plays dumb so as not to raise suspicion about his loyalty.

To me this makes perfect sense. And it seems to be the dynamic that was already there in the classic trilogy to begin with (once Lucas settled on making Anakin Luke's father of course). Vader told Luke about how they could join forces and end this destructive conflict. When Luke wouldn't join him, he saw him as he saw Obi-Wan. If Luke wasn't with Vader, then he was his enemy. After Palpatine tells Luke to strike Vader down and take his place, it suddenly all clicks for Anakin. Suddenly he remembers how he was in Luke's position back when he decided to kill DooKu. He see's Luke's example of self sacrafice in the name of what was right, and his compassion was re-ignighted. It was at this point that he realized that what he had been doing was extremely selfish, and it's at this point he is able to let go of his sense of self and do what's right for his son and by extension the rest of the galaxy at large.

I don't know how many of you have played the Episode III video game, it isn't the best, but it's the best depiction of lightsaver combat I've seen so far. The duel sequences are really a lot of fun. Anyway, if you beat the game (spoilers I guess) you get to play the final duel again as Anakin, and if you win, they show a cinematic where Anakin manages to fly over Obi-Wan high enough that he doesn't take his limbs off and immediately stabs Obi-Wan in the back as he lands, making Kenobi fall down the lava beach to perish.

He leaves him there and goes up to greet the Emperor who was just landing in his shuttle. The Emperor gives Vader his lightsaber that he uses in the classic trilogy, and after accepting it, he immediately kills the Emperor with it, and the troopers all freak out for a second until he announces that it is now his Empire.

Sure it's just a game, but I think that plays true to Anakin's character as portrayed in the prequels. It's not that he's a good guy when he kills the Emperor in this alternate sequence, he's just taking control like Palpatine did before him.
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#250072
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Tarkin, The Rebel Base &amp; The Mystery Of The Trash Compactor.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250072/action/topic#250072
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1. Is Tarkin actually Vader's superior? It seems to be the case from the initial Death Star scenes. I don't think so, it's just he's the boss on the Death Star, and Vader respects that.
2. What type of propulsion system powers the Death Star? It seems to get around pretty quick but there doesn't seem to be anything powering it. A good one?
3. There's no telling just how long it takes the Empire too find the hidden Rebel Base on Dantooine, but it sure seems to me it takes them a very short time indeed. After all the base is deserted. Wouldn't a deserted base would be a lot harder to find than one that's inhabited. I don't know I haven't looked for too many bases myself.
4. What's the purpose of the Trash Compactor? Surely it's more economic to just dump your trash out into the endless vacuum of space, instead of wasting precious energy on crushing trash. They crush it into big blocks so when they launch it out into space, it doesn't just get caught in the Death Star's gravitational pull and litter the surface of the space station.5. Does Biggs actually tell Porkins to eject just before he bites the big one? What good's that gonna do him?
Presumably the whole cockpit ejects with him and then they can pick him up after the fact if they can find him. At the very least it would have prolonged his expiration time.6. What exactly is a parsec, and why use that terminology in SW, after all they do also use minutes, days and seconds.
A parsec is a unit of distance here on Earth too, and there are two possibilites that have come up. Lucas says Han is just a blabber mouth who speaks well above his knowledge (ie: he doesn't even know what he's really talking about), or he finished the Kessel run in the least distance possible.7. Obi Wan offers Han two thousand up front, and fifteen when they reach Alderan. What exactly is the currency on Tatooine, or the Star Wars Universe in general?
Imperial Credits by that point I think. Han isn't a Tatooine local, he is just making a stop there.8. If 3PO was created by Anakin, why does it look like he's mass produced with several other similar bots sprinkled throughout the Universe? Was he a kitset? or did Anakin build the prototype that was subsequently cloned en masse? (I have to admit, I haven't watched much of the prequels so that one's probably slipped by me.)
It's not that Anakin designed and built him from scratch, he merely put him together using spare parts from Watto's shop, and he tweaked some of his programming as well.
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#250011
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What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250011/action/topic#250011
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I personally had no trouble at all with Jake Lloyd or Hayden. I thought Jake played a little kid better than most kids would have, and Hayden just nailed it for me. To me, the romance and his turn to the dark side was rendered extremely well. I was in tears when Padme confessed her love to Anakin before being wheeled out into the arena, and I was beside myself with emotion for the enirety of ROTS. I attribute most of that directly to Hayden, Natalie and Ewan.
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#249995
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What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249995/action/topic#249995
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First off, I didn't mean to say it didn't work without williams score at all, but I think most of the emotion I felt at that point was augmented considerably by Williams score at that moment. The way it wells up is just perfect there to me.

I meant that with the wrong music, it could have come off as cheesier.

Also at the risk of being predictable, I personally thought the acting was at about the same level across the saga. All the films have their great moments and what I would say are "good enough" moments.

I don't think the acting ever gets to a point where it doesn't get the point across, and other parts just floor me.

Liam Neeson in TPM, Ewan, Ian, Lee, Frank Oz, all did a fantastic job for the whole prequel trilogy. I thought Jake lloyd was allright for a kid playing a kid, I thought Hayden really nailed the confusion he was going through regarding the romance in AOTC and his turmoil in ROTS. I even appreciated Natalie's portrayal of Padme. Where a lot of people said she couldn't emote in TPM, I saw that as an intentional restraint on her part. To me when she was the Queen, her eyes said everything her monotone delivery and shiftless posture denied.

I'm not trying to say it's all oscar worthy, but I was able to meet most of it in the middle when it wasn't as great.

And not to put the classic trilogy down, but I think it had it's issues here and there as well.
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#249990
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&quot;..secret to the future is quantity,&quot; Lucas said
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I just think he means Lucas has always set the high watermark of quality for a DVD release with his previous DVD releases.

Thanks for posting this. I remember reading it before, but I never did save it off.

One thing I would like to highlight about this is the point where Lucas says:
The thing about science-fiction fans and "Star Wars" fans is they're very independent-thinking people. They all think outside the box, but they all have very strong ideas about what should happen, and they think it should be their way. Which is fine, except I'm making the movies, so I should have it my way.
To me this shows that Lucas, while stubborn about how he wants these movies to be, still respects the fans who disagree with his artistic choices.

I see so many of us cursing Lucas, but he is always very gracious when it comes to difference of opinion regarding matters of personal taste.