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#250994
Topic
Favorite Star Wars Movie
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250994/action/topic#250994
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I'm not a film maker, I'm a Star Wars fan. Lucas puts em up, and I knock them back from the comfort of my couch.

"Failure" is a point of view. I don't think repeating information instantly makes a movie "failed", and the scenes are not identical. There is some information that is redundant. But at the same time it helps set up what happens to Han in ROTJ more. To me it's better to see Han talk his way out of Jabba's anger before so it ties in better with the way Jabba says he can't talk his way out of it again and I like that.

I also love the line about Jabba being a wonderful human being. Classic delivery from one of my favorite characters ever.

As far as Boba mugging for the camera, I don't really mind that a whole lot. With Boba being brought up in the prequels, I think it's nice to see him in ANH even if it is just for a second. I didn't really see him as mugging for the camera as much as he is always scanning his surroundings.

I also don't think you could say SW '77 was an example of "normal" film making at the time. Back then people thought he was cutting to different shots too fast, back then you didn't have a movie that introduced the main character almost a 4th of the way through.

Ever since then everyone has been emulating his lead, so it has -become- normal film making, but back then Lucas was blazing trails with the presentation.

The first thing you supposedly learn in film school is there are no rules. So pretending like you fail at film making unless you stick to what people have traditionally done before you (to me) shows a lack of creativity.
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#250991
Topic
What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250991/action/topic#250991
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I hope and pray that we can get a higher quality release of the O-OT, but I really don't think Lucas is worried about which one people will want to watch. I know there are a lot of people who really prefer the O-OT, but I don't think that makes up "most" of the people who want to buy Star Wars on DVD. I for one prefer the SE, and I have talked to a lot of people who are younger, who didn't grow up with the originals, who also prefer the newer versions.

As for the "dual persona" way of looking at things, I personaly still see Anakin and Vader as the same person. To me the point is everyone has that choice wether to be good or bad. Anakin chose to be good up until a certian point, then chose to become bad, then chose to become good again at the very end.

For me the reason why I prefer having Hayden in there is just because to me it visually represents the good man who was Luke's father before he had become Darth Vader. While Shaw was the face he had when he came back to the light, he still visually represents (to me) the twisted wreck he had become as Vader.

But to me it means the same thing as it did before, it's just before when we didn't have the prequels to show us what Anakin looked like before he was put into the suit, we could just assume Shaw with a full head of hair was how he looked before he went into the suit.

That said, I can see why others would prefer to have kept Shaw.
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#250855
Topic
Favorite Star Wars Movie
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250855/action/topic#250855
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I see what you guys mean and that awesome reveal in Jedi is no longer what it used to be.

I'm just saying that there is still this dynamic there where you see Jabba starting the race, you see him hounding Han for money, Han talks his way out of it, but it isn't until ROTJ that we see Jabba in all his crimelord glory. To me it's not a total loss.

I agree that there is some of the same information in the ANH Jabba scene that was already found in the Greedo scene (likely they added much of this repeated information to the Greedo scene when he figured he was just abandoning the Jabba scene). But at the end of the day it just is what it is. I really like having Jabba in there, I like Han's dialogue with Jabba, but at the same time I wouldn't want to ditch the Greedo sequence because that is a really cool exchange as well. Sure I guess he could have gotten away with just having Jabba ask Han why he shot Greedo, but I really like the Greedo confrontation.

For me the coolness of both scenes outweighs the fact that some information is repeated.
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#250823
Topic
Remember when...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250823/action/topic#250823
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I guess I could try and tone it down a bit.

After all this forum is sort of a haven for fans who do prefer SW pre SE's/Prequels.

I am trying to offer my point of view on things, and sometimes I can get a tad snippy about it.

I guess I have a similar reaction to everyone putting Lucas down all the time as some of you have to people who go on and on about how they like what he's doing.
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#250815
Topic
Remember when...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250815/action/topic#250815
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It's about what I excpect from people who dwell in negativity so much.

Not that it should really have any bearing on the topics we are discussing, but I own my own condo.

I don't have any problem with other people expressing their opinions. I just happen to have my own.

Some of you are annoyed because -you- can't handle opinions that differ from your own.

That's why you pushed the "You must live with your mom" button.
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#250811
Topic
Lucas Interview from 1979 - Alan Arnold's 'Once Upon a Galaxy' book
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250811/action/topic#250811
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What was Lucas supposed to have been born with a plan and then never deviated from that plan?

Lucas had his rough outline of the basic plot points and fleshed everything else out as he went.

I know you guys like to talk about how Lucas can't keep his details straight, but as far as I can tell his story has better continuity than most pre-planned stories.

To me the finished saga is an intricate yin yang of mirror images. To me it's quite an accomplishment that it turned out with as solid a continuity as it does considering the way Lucas fleshed it all out as he went.


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#250804
Topic
What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250804/action/topic#250804
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Okay, but that still doesn't explain the gap between ROTJ and when they announced the SE's.

And yes, I know this is Original Trilogy.com.

I do think the SE's are an improvement, but I can relate to people who prefer the originals. I think things would be better for everyone if they were available in as high a quality as the SE's, and as a die hard fan, I just want to have a copy of all his revisions of the flm myself.

While I'm entirely for that, and can relate to people who do not like much of what Lucas has done since ROTJ, I still think that sometimes a lot of us give Lucas a worse rap than he deserves over the whole thing.
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#250793
Topic
Remember when...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250793/action/topic#250793
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It isn't one way or another. There has always been a group of people who looked down on people who loved Star Wars, who would call us geeks and fanboys. There has always been a group of people who loved the movies enough to be considered hard core fans, and there has always been a group of more casual "those films are cool" fans that make up the bulk of the "masses".

Ever since ANH there has been a growing group of "George Lucas has completely lost his touch". It was small (but it did exist) for ESB, but grew larger with ROTJ and each film since.

It was inevitable. It's like a game of musical chairs. As Lucas plays each segment of his song (or story I guess) there are always going to be fans who are left without a seat. It's just the law of probability.
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#250785
Topic
Remember when...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250785/action/topic#250785
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Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I remember when Star Wars fans could take responsiblity for their own actions.

Oh, get over yourself! If you don't agree with the thread then have the good grace not to post in it.

That's his fault. What did he expect to happen when he started slagging off directors as beloved as Lucas...

Besides, I was staying true to the purpose of this thread. I just remember things a bit differently is all.
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#250756
Topic
Remember when...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250756/action/topic#250756
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I only remmber when Star Wars figures were $2.

I've been around since the beginning, and not everyone was in awe of them even when it was just SW out.

People thought people who were into Star Wars were geeks and fanboys.

For me, I don't mind noticing the changes Lucas has made. I find it all pretty facinating actually.
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#250749
Topic
What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250749/action/topic#250749
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The way it seems to me is the classic trilogy was pretty good on it's own, but the SE has imrpoved it with it's changes.

I mean as cheesey as Jedi Rocks may be, I think the CG Sy Snoodles is heads and shoulders above the rod puppet they used before, and things like putting Ian in Empire really helps everything gel for me (not just gel with the prequels but gel with ROTJ first and foremost)

That said, some of the things they did in the 2004 DVD are not quite as good to me, such as the lack of musical fanfare when Luke goes into the trench on the Death Star, and other audio issues like that (Leia and Tarkin's patchy VO's when he's about to blow up Alderaan), stuff like that, but to me, the improvements of the 2004 SE outweigh any of the issues it has introduced.

When it comes to people saying the sabers aren't all colored right, I have to say that it was pretty dicey to begin with in the classic trilogy, especially in ANH with the experimentation with the reflective rods and such.

I guess the way I see the 2004 SE is it's better than the O-OT, but it's still not finished and I roll with the fact it's not yet finished, just as I rolled along with the monkey woman emperor in ESB. One thing that's great about the 2004 release, is now he has input from all of us rabid fans who notice every little detail. No person in charge of continuity for any given film can compete with the millions of fans like us when it comes to being anal retentive.

And I say anal retentive in a good way. It just means we care more and notice more.

I think it's great to be so observant, but at some point we have to keep in mind that it will never be perfect, and if we want to get the most enjoyment out of these films, we have to work with them to a certain extent.
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#250729
Topic
What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250729/action/topic#250729
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CO I don't care what you said it in relation to, you said "The OT was perfect".

See CO, you say you don't concern yourself with the critics of the classic trilogy when it first came out, but now here you are acting like your criticism of the prequels is somehow much more insightful. And you are basing this on your perception that the prequels are merely a fad with some of your younger relatives?

Star Wars is a fantastic story and is made up of some wonderful movies, but it's not a religion. There was a period of time after ROTJ where Star Wars faded. Even with the mighty power of the classic trilogy on it's own, there were almost 10 years where nothing new aside from the occasional EU book was produced. The action figure line had all but vanished.

If the success of the prequels were so dependant on the previous success of the classic trilogy then how do you explain that gap of relative inactivity in the Star Wars fanbase?

I could make a decent case that the SE's and the Prequels made the drawing power of Star Wars even more potent than it was before, hence why Star Wars is such a common brand in use today (in the realm of books, comics, video games).

The critics who slammed the classic trilogy thought they were pretty smart people too. I just don't understand why you think that your criticism of the prequels is any more insightful than these professional critics from back in the day.
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#250718
Topic
What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250718/action/topic#250718
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Are you going to bother explaining how you came to the conlusion that nobody says the classic trilogy is perfect when I was able to quote you saying that exact phrasing from not more than a week or two ago?

Forget critics? That would mean I should forget your criticism as well.

What makes you so much smarter than the critics who didn't "get" what made the classic trilogy so great at first?
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#250715
Topic
Lucas Interview from 1979 - Alan Arnold's 'Once Upon a Galaxy' book
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250715/action/topic#250715
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Lucas: People have said my films have no content, but the truth is they have much more content than most critics realize. People usually don't look beyond the surface of pure entertainment. For a film to be thought of as having content, it must have spelled out in bold letter, "Look at the content."
I think he makes a good point here.