Go-Mer-Tonic

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Post: #251210
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251210/action/topic#251210
Time: 13-Oct-2006 4:12 PM

I just meant that he bothered to invest in the reasearch and development that resulted in ILM, which became the premiere SFX company for most of Hollywood.

I think he pioneered some techniques in storytelling in film such as having multiple threads of different storylines woven through each other (people told him he couldn't do that while he was making Amercian Grafitti, now it seems like a lot of people are doing it).

Obviously with THX he helped make the movie going experience grow into the subwoofer driven, multi channell surround experience we take for granted today.

I also think that with the money he had dumped into digital cameras and digital presentation, he is again dragging the industry towards a higher standard of presentation in general.

Post: #251206
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251206/action/topic#251206
Time: 13-Oct-2006 3:55 PM

On the one hand, I understand the animosity towards Lucas when it comes to releasing the O-OT in a standard quality format, but on the other I think sometimes a lot of us go out of our way to demonize the man out of spite.

Talking to some of you, Star Wars was great despite Lucas. Everything that was good about these films was the result of Lucas not getting what he wanted, and everything that was bad about them was the result of Lucas getting his own way.

When I said Lucas has done more than just about anyone else, I meant he was one of the biggest contributors to modern cinema. Not the only contributer. I guess I could have been more clear.

Post: #251204
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251204/action/topic#251204
Time: 13-Oct-2006 3:51 PM

Helped, he dragged the rest of the industry, kicking and screaming into the era of modern film making and film presentaiton.

The bean counters in Hollywood were always too greedy to reinvest any of their money into research and development.

It's not taking anything away from those visionaries you brought up to include Lucas in their ranks.

Post: #251201
Topic: Remember when...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251201/action/topic#251201
Time: 13-Oct-2006 3:40 PM

The terminology may have been different, but the sentiment was the same. We were looked down upon as "Star Wars geeks" back then.

I don't know if anyone ever said it to your face, but I had it said to mine.

To tell you the truth, they had a point.

I rember the old saying that the difference between Star Wars Geeks and Star Trek Geeks was Star Wars geeks got laid.

Of course I can't corroborate that theory.

Post: #251200
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251200/action/topic#251200
Time: 13-Oct-2006 3:37 PM

Please tell me you have more to counter that with than just an eyeroll.

Post: #251198
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251198/action/topic#251198
Time: 13-Oct-2006 3:35 PM

Lucas has certainly done more for the medium of film than just about anyone else has.

But don't bother to thank him, just keep demonizing him because his vision for his own movies is different than yours.

Bonnie was the winner.

Here is her entry.

Post: #251184
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251184/action/topic#251184
Time: 13-Oct-2006 1:54 PM

He wasn't following the rules in the first place when he made THX, American Grafitti or Star Wars for that matter.

Is there any reason why he should start now?

Man maybe he shouldn't have even gotten in to films. Then we could still be enjoying crappy special effects with mono sound.

Post: #251180
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251180/action/topic#251180
Time: 13-Oct-2006 1:44 PM

He wasn't really being considered for the win in the first place. His entry was a joke.

Post: #251174
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251174/action/topic#251174
Time: 13-Oct-2006 1:16 PM

Originally posted by: Nanner Split

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Of course he loves all the Star Wars films, I'm just saying that according to him the others turned out closer to what he wanted than ANH did.

Maybe you are right. All I am saying is you have to assume that everything he says is a lie and everything you read between what he does say is "how it really is".

It's all "Sure Lucas says A, but because of this and this and this, he must be lying and really means B."

It's just quite a bit of assumption on your part is all.

-The original Star Wars was the movie that brought him success, he poured his heart and soul into it, it was a huge struggle for a young film school graduate and he shined through.

-ESB and ROTJ weren't even directed by him.

-The prequels were made 20 years later with the technology attained with the billions of dollars he's accumulated over the years.

Seriously, if you were him, which one of those would be the most special to you?

All of them. The fact that he had help directing 2 of them doesn't mean the project wasn't special to him.

Again, I see the reasoning you use to assume he's always lying and really means what you guys assume he means, I was just pointing out that it's all based on speculation on your part, and goes against what he actually says about all of this stuff.

Post: #251169
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251169/action/topic#251169
Time: 13-Oct-2006 12:44 PM

Lucas wasn't talking about the droid's role in the classic trilogy, he was talking about Jar-Jar's role in the prequels.

Post: #251162
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251162/action/topic#251162
Time: 13-Oct-2006 11:57 AM

Okay, but you are still assuming he doesn't mean what he actually says, and instead means what you asssume.

As I said above, according to Lucas in just about every other place he talks about Jar-Jar, he feels Jar-Jar was a huge success, and says the only reason he isn't in II and III as much as he was in I had to do with the tone getting darker, and the story centering in on the main characters. He speicifically says the "Jar-Jar Backlash" had nothing to do with it.

But if you think his "I am not too sure about Episode I" (a joke he did on a comedy show) is what he "really means" then more power to you.

Post: #251159
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251159/action/topic#251159
Time: 13-Oct-2006 11:21 AM

Of course he loves all the Star Wars films, I'm just saying that according to him the others turned out closer to what he wanted than ANH did.

Maybe you are right. All I am saying is you have to assume that everything he says is a lie and everything you read between what he does say is "how it really is".

It's all "Sure Lucas says A, but because of this and this and this, he must be lying and really means B."

It's just quite a bit of assumption on your part is all.

Post: #251155
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251155/action/topic#251155
Time: 13-Oct-2006 10:23 AM

Talk about filling in blanks.

I think Lucas is being a good sport about the Episode I backlash, but I don't think he agrees with it. Nor do I think he feels Episode IV turned out better. According to him, ANH was the furthest from what he wanted these movies to be.

Post: #251126
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251126/action/topic#251126
Time: 13-Oct-2006 1:55 AM

They put Lucas' entry up on the official site.

Post: #251118
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251118/action/topic#251118
Time: 13-Oct-2006 12:22 AM

I remember a group of fans on TFN who were predicting they would hate Jar-Jar as soon as they heard his voice clip.

"Monstairs out dere, leakin in here, all sinkin an no power? When a yousa tinkin weesa in trubba?"

I remember opening night getting back to the forum to find a bunch of people slamming him right away.

The die hard Star Wars fans never needed a "wising up" period, and I don't think the people who loved him have "wised up" either.

I know I sure haven't.

Post: #251112
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251112/action/topic#251112
Time: 13-Oct-2006 12:10 AM

I didn't say most of the world loved Jar-Jar, I said there weren't really all that many that actually hated him.

Lucas conducted exit polls around the release of TPM and he found that Jar-Jar was actually a hit with the target audience (children) and a lot of women loved him as well. He says that most of the complaint came from 30 somethings on the Internet.

He says there is always a group of people who don't like comedic sidekicks. There were some fans who thought the droids were horrible in ANH, some fans who couldn't take Yoda seriously because he was a muppet, some fans who didn't like the ewoks, now there are some fans who couldn't stand Jar-Jar.

But I would say there are far more people who think he's not all that bad, even if they think he could have been better.

I'm 35 and I -love- Jar-Jar.

Post: #251094
Topic: Remember when...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251094/action/topic#251094
Time: 12-Oct-2006 11:03 PM

I remeber the first time I saw Star Wars in 77. I was at a drive in theater, and my brother and I were playing on the jungle gym just under the screen when I first saw that Star Destroyer fly ovrhead. I remember almost falling off the jungle gym because I kept leaning back to try and take more of it in.

I remember seeing the Holiday special when it first aired, and saying to myself: "I knew TV couldn't be as good as Star Wars."

I remember my buddy had all the big ticket toys like the Falcon and the Death Star playset.

I remeber the two of us listening to "the story of Star Wars" LP while we re-enacted stuff with the figures. That's just what Star Wars fans did before home video releases.

I remember asking my dad almost every other night to take me back to see Star Wars again, and Dad telling me to wait until it came to TV. He might as well have told me "you'll never see it again".

I remember arguing with another kid on the playground that they weren't making a sequel to Star Wars (no internet back then). All I really cared about was seeing the original Star Wars again.

I remember my parents telling me that Star Wars was coming back to theaters, so they were going to take me out of school early as a treat to see it. And then when I got there, and saw the words "Star Wars" sink into the screen, the words that followed were different from what I remembered. Then suddenly we were over a snow planet! Talk about not having any expectations for a movie what so ever. I remember just being speechless afterwards, and asking when I could see the next one. When I found out it would be another 3 years or so, I was so despondant.

I remember my whole family, cousins, grandparents, aunts uncles all getting together to see Return of the Jedi for the first time. I remember my grandma -loved- the ewoks. She wanted to have some as pets. She also wanted to ride on a speederbike.

I remember years of films coming out after ROTJ that claimed to be "the next Star Wars" and whenever I saw them, they really weren't.

I remember my parents telling me it was time to grow up and sell all my SW toys at her garage sale. I remember nodding OK. I remember placing the stuff on the table, I remember watching people walk off with it as they bought it. I HAD A MINT JAWA WITH VINYL CAPE! My mom meant well.

I bought into the Shadows of the Empire "everything but the movie" marketing campaign. I too have the album and the N64 game, the graphic novel, and the novel. I also have the Dash Rendar figure and the Outrider toy ship, and a swoop bike.

Post: #251086
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251086/action/topic#251086
Time: 12-Oct-2006 10:28 PM

Just talkin 'bout wicket.

I don't know I thought it sounded like the audience was pretty happy to see Jar-Jar.

But maybe I'm projecting or something.

Post: #251064
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251064/action/topic#251064
Time: 12-Oct-2006 7:32 PM

There really aren't that many people who hate Jar-Jar.

I'm not revising anything.

You may have noticed the round of applause Jar-Jar got from Colbert's audience.

Post: #251052
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251052/action/topic#251052
Time: 12-Oct-2006 6:37 PM

To me it's the people who can't stand him that's the punchline.

But yeah die hard fans will appreciate Jar-Jar more than others.

Post: #251050
Topic: What do you think of the Prequel Trilogy? a general discussion thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251050/action/topic#251050
Time: 12-Oct-2006 6:18 PM

Oh okay, it did seem a little odd that you would call me an asshole at the end of that thought.

My mistake.

Yeah the way I see it, Yoda and Obi-Wan gave themselves to the Force before they actually died. Obi-Wan was gone before Vader's blade passed through his empty cloak, and Yoda (albeit on his death bed) gave himself to the Force before he actually expired.

The clothing thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but I think we can agree that Lucas isn't going to have a nude Alec Guinnes show up in a barrel or something. Anakin's cloths don't match what he wore before, but I really think they are going to replace the whole body for the box set next year.

Just like the 97 Jabba and Greedo shooting first were just "rough drafts" for what he did in the 2004, I think he will further tweak the Anakin appearance at the end to reflect his actual outfit from the prequels.

Post: #251030
Topic: What do you think of the Prequel Trilogy? a general discussion thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251030/action/topic#251030
Time: 12-Oct-2006 5:22 PM

Originally posted by: Guy Caballero
Shaw having hair and his limbs doesn't mean anything. ObiWan is also not cut in half, or naked. "The good part" of Anakin notion doesn't fly with me. He's not Sybil, he's not Dr. jekyll. There aren't "parts". He's just Anakin. He's not reverting back to a former personality, he's the same guy, just continuing FORWARD without being a Sith asshole.

Shaw having hair and limbs makes him somehow different from the guy we see in the unmasking scene. Either he's been given his limbs and hair back, or he was supposed to look like he did before he ended up needing the suit to survive. The way Lucas changed it makes me think the original intention was the latter. He had two distinct personalities. One who gave with no thought of reward, and one who took with no worry of return. It's the same guy, but he was once a good guy, and then became an agent of evil. I'm just saying that to me Hayden represents the personality he had before he became evil.

You say he's the same guy only he's no longer a Sith lord, but then where did his limbs and hair come from if he didn't go back to how he was before he lost that stuff?

I don't see why you have to get so angry about how I feel about it.

Post: #251011
Topic: What do you think of the Prequel Trilogy? a general discussion thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251011/action/topic#251011
Time: 12-Oct-2006 4:46 PM

If he was really worried about that, he wouldn't have given us the 06 release. It may not be the best quality but the O-OT is on there, and it's still more watchable than previous home video releases.

He could have just as easily not released it at all.

As for future generations carrying on the Star Wars torch after we have all moved on. I really don't think they will be worried about the O-OT. It's because we have a sentimental attachment to them that many of us prefer them.

Post: #251004
Topic: What do you think of the Prequel Trilogy? a general discussion thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251004/action/topic#251004
Time: 12-Oct-2006 4:32 PM

Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle
I prefer to have Shaw for that very reason. I think it gives a more potent representation of redemption to have that very man welcomed back into the good side of the Force, flaws and all. I think it diminishes the impact by only welcoming the young man that he was 25-ish years ago. That person didn't need redeeming.

To me it was only the good part of Anakin that -deserved- redemption.

Also by giving Shaw a full head of hair and all his limbs, Lucas did come up with a representation of Anakin before he was in the suit. Age wasn't as important before because we didn't have the prequels to nail it all down.

Post: #250996
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250996/action/topic#250996
Time: 12-Oct-2006 3:52 PM

I thought it was great. Lucas said he owned almost all the Star Wars movies, but wasn't too sure about Episode I.

Then when Jar-Jar showed up the audience cheered.

Same thing happened at Celebration II when Anthony Daniels asked the crowd if they really hated Jar-Jar and a few people cheered, then he asked who really really loved Jar-Jar and just about everyone burst into applause.

It's nice to see that most people really don't hate Jar-Jar, and that quite a few of us love him.