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#251801
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For me...it all came out in the end...
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No, I just suggest you allow yourself to roll along with the imperfections as you did for the classic trilogy.

I think what happens is when we are younger we see movies without contemplating the behind the scenes. We take the stories at face value and we either enjoy them or we don't. As we grow older, we develop more advanced critical faculties, but we never bother to hold our childhood favorites to this higher standard.

To me, the prequels were made with at least as much love and care as the classic trilogy, if not more. I don't understand why suddenly when an actor isn't the best, it's such a huge deal to so many people who had no trouble with Luke in the classic trilogy.

The only difference I can acertain from the many discussions I have had with people who think the prequels are leagues below the classic trilogy is the simple matter of preference.

That the classic trilogy was "good" to you (the good outweighed the bad) and that the prequels weren't so good to you (the bad outwieghed the good).

It's hard for me to relate to it, because to me the prequels are every bit as substantial as the classic trilogy was to me.
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#251794
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For me...it all came out in the end...
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Apology accepted. I am 35 years old and remember the movies from back then too.

Have movies gotten worse over the years or have you become less accepting?

You can't tell me that kids were holding the classic trilogy to the same standards of acting, directing, or craft back then.

Our critiques were all more along the lines of "Cool" or "Wow" or "That's awesome!".

We certainly weren't looking for plot holes, continuity issues, acting proficiency or even contemplating what a Director's role was in all of it.

To tell you the truth, I also feel that movies today aren't what they used to be when Lucas and Speilburg ruled the box office with things like Star Wars and Indiana Jones.

But I do feel that the prequels uphold that tradition rather well.
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#251788
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For me...it all came out in the end...
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I have no problem at all discussing it. And I thought you were saying that your preference for the classic trilogy had to do with having higher standards.
I am proud that I will not call bad acting good or just ignore poor writing or direction. The classic trilogy had all of these qualities as well yet you seem to think they are great movies despite having poor writing, direction and acting.If you can honestly say that you will take any old crap just because you want to be able to enjoy it, then I feel sorry for you. I have high standards when it comes to cinema and, for me, the most enjoyment I get is from seeing films made well.
I just don't see any point to holding the prequels to a higher standard than I held the classic trilogy to. If those were good enough for me to enjoy myself, then so are the prequels.

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#251763
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For me...it all came out in the end...
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I am glad you guys realized that he was never doing this to "please the fans". He always did it first and foremost to please himself.

Some of you believe Lucas is the one who changed, but to me, he's the same old stubborn artist he was when he made the originals. Wide eyed imaginative, youthful people would have had a much more open mind for the prequels. They would have been able to imagine their way around the plot holes like they did the classic trilogy, and they would be able to roll along with the less than perfect acting writing or directing. It's a lot of us who have grown cynical, jaded, and unreasonable.

He's still pushing the technology of motion pictures ahead as he goes, bringing about digital film making and distriubtion when nobody else would risk the investment.

It's not that Lucas only cares about money, if that were the case, he would bend over backwards to "please the fans".

He is just an artist with a clear vision for what he wants, and he isn't going to have anyone else tell him what his own movies should be. Not even people who supported him with the classic trilogy.

At the end of the day we are talking about a matter of taste, not of "right and wrong".

How Lucas finishes his saga is not about whether he is doing it "right" or "wrong", it's wether or not you personally happen to like what he does.

Again, I am with you on the whole "getting a standard quality release of the O-OT", because I don't fault people for prefering the originals, and hope they can get the most out of Star Wars by having it the way they really want it.

But you can't blame him for how -he- prefers his own art to remain after he's gone.

Nobody says you guys have to be a fan of stuff you don't like. I'm just saying what Lucas does shouldn't be dependant on what you like. It should be dependand on what -he- likes, because it's his art.
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#251760
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How do you watch the Star Wars Saga?
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I certainly didn't mean to blanket everyone here with my last post. Obviously there are a lot of you who just happen to prefer the original versions of the classic trilogy and don't treat the prequels or SE like the antichrist.

I certainly don't mean to imply anyone is wrong for not liking the newer stuff. It's all a matter of taste.

I just feel so bad for people who really do seem to focus on what they don't like as opposed to what they do like.
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#251736
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How do you watch the Star Wars Saga?
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Sucking off the PT isn't somethig to be ashamed of.

They are great movies, every bit as good as the classic trilogy (to me).

I just think it sucks to see people who are so ruled by their negativity towards the prequels. It's like some of you aren't even enjoying the classic trilolgy as a priority. You watch those films just to -not- watch the prequels.

You guys have threads where people talk about how they convinced their younger family member to hate the prequels as much as you guys do. Then claim they have taken their first step into a larger word? Sounds like a more limited world to me.

If the O-OT is really so much better than the prequels, then you wouldn't even be worried about how your family members see the movies. One of you even went so far as to admit they might actually like the PT better than the OT if they are young.

Oh my god, the tragedy of one of your kids being able to enjoy Star Wars as a kid more than you were able to as an adult.

Thank god they have you there to limit their enjoyment of Star Wars to only the things you happened to enjoy.

I just think being a fan is much more fun when you enjoy things rather than organize your hatred for something into a fine point.

Hear you guys nothing Yoda says?

Just because you don't like the prequels doesn't mean nobody else should.

If everyone is allowed to have an opinion, then what's wrong with me having one too?

Are you guys suggesting that I'm somehow sub human because I don't have such a mean spirited slant towards the prequels?

I just don't get how a person can say they are a Star Wars fan and yet focus most of their "fanship" on being negative about everything.

There's a lot to learn from Star Wars, and a lot of you just ignore it.

Not just stuff you can learn from the prequels, but from your precious O-OT before any SE modifications.
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#251658
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How do you watch the Star Wars Saga?
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I remember the last time I organised a SW marathon, I called it "The 14 hours of Star Wars". This was before the prequels were even in spoiler format, right after I got the '97 SE's on laserdisc. I spaced the movies out with behind the scenes videos and of course the Holida special made an appearance. I had played it in chronological order (after ANH) but some of the later comers demanded I play it again at the end.

I had a CD player looping the soudtrack for each movie as they came on in the bathroom. People came and left all day, with some sticking out the whole way.

It got to the point where even I had to take a walk outside just to take a breather from the constant John Williams music.
Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
So Go-Mer, it's not a satanic thing. It's a matter of how I want my kids lives impacted by the films. I will also not be teaching them the episode numbers, or any of George's "master plan saga." If I ever do show my kids the PT, it will be when they are 12 or older so they can see just how bad they are.
If you are just saying that you want them to see the classic trilogy first as we did, that I get. I thought you meant they would never be allowed to see the other movies.

And there aren't any more plotholes in the prequels than there were in the classic trilogy. It's just kids don't notice them.
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#251563
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How do you watch the Star Wars Saga?
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Here is how I watch the saga at the moment.

1 The Phantom Menace.
2 Battlefront: Battle of Naboo on X-Box.
3 Racer's Revenge on the Playstation 2.
4 Bounty Hunter on Gamecube.
5 Attack of the Clones.
6 Battlefront-Geonosis Battle on X-Box.
7 Clone Wars Volume 1.
8 Republic Commando on X-Box.
9 Clone Wars Volume 2.
10 Revenge of the Sith.
11 1st level of Dark Forces PC (Where you steal the Death Star plans).
12 A New Hope.
13 Rogue Leader-Battle of Yavin and Hoth on Gamecube.
14 The Empire Strikes Back.
15 Shadows of the Empire on Nintendo 64
16 The Return of the Jedi.
17 Battlefront-Battle of Endor on X-Box.
18 Rogue Leader-Battle of Endor on Gamecube.
19 The Star Wars Holiday Special.
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#251562
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Remember when...
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Originally posted by: Anchorhead
Using the word geek as a suffix to describe someone wasn't common until the 90s. Prior to that, they would have just been called a geek, with no association to anything specific. More often, nerd was used. Even then, not as a suffix to a specific thing. Then I guess the people who taunted me were ahead of their time.
Originally posted by: AnchorheadGomer forgot which board he was trolling. This forum has people who were actually around in the 70s. Notice how he tried to amend the statement after you called him on it.
Did I really? Man I'm good. I didn't even realize that. Originally posted by: Anchorhead
First he says maybe you never heard it, but he did. He then follows it with a statement that might generate a few more replies and take the focus off of his mistake - "I remember the old saying that the difference between...". He goes one step further and comments on his own statement (complete with smilies) to try and steer the conversation even further away from his original statement. Again, good catch SKot.
The terminology may have been different but the sentiment is the same. This happened to me when I was a kid, but I'm talking about it now, at a time when Star Wars Geek or Star Wars Fan boy means pretty much the same thing as what I was called. But thanks for vehemently doubting anything that comes out of my mouth in your attempt to demonize me.
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#251232
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Lucas on Colbert
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I think he's still going for "good enough", but he just has more time and money that he can spend on it now. I don't think he's shooting for perfect, but he knows of ways he can make it closer to the way he'd like them to be.

As for what movies we're missing out on because of his devotion to Star Wars, I don't think he owes us more movies or anything, whatever he wants to spend his time on is fine with me. I am personally grateful that he is taking his time to make Star Wars as good as he can.
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#251213
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Lucas on Colbert
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251213/action/topic#251213
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I think he has always been both an artist and a bean counter. He was upset with Kurtz for going over budget on Empire. Lucas has always been mindful of the costs, and he has always gone for good enough as opposed to "perfect". It's a balancing act to be sure, and wether or not one thinks he does a good job of balancing it is depndant on how good they think his movies turned out in the end.

Watching the doc that came with THX about American Zeotrope, Lucas says he was always worried about the bottom line, and Fracis was always just jumping into things and letting the chips fall where they may. He said that most everything he learned about taking risks, he learned from Francis.