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#255417
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Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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So you no longer view this board as a place to present a case for releasing the O-OT in anamorphic format?

I don't think Lucas himself comes here, but when he shows up at a meeting and asks: Well did the fans like the O-OT on DVD?

And the guy who was in charge of coming here to find out what we had to say tells him that we consider this latest release an insult, and that he's a liar and a cheapskate, and he's just trying to milk the fanbase, I just don't see that leading to Lucas saying: Wow, maybe I should invest more of my time and money into pleasing this section of the fanbase.
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#255409
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Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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1) I don't post here hoping Lucas will read it.

2) I am actually for Lucas releasing the O-OT in a higher quality, because I don't fault people for only liking the O-OT and would hope that all SW fans would be able to enjoy as much or as little Star Wars as they would like to.

3) If someone happens to think better of the SE's or Prequels because of something I've said, that's great. But I'm not particularly holding my breath.

I come here to challenge my own beliefs as much as yours.
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#255394
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Jedi as ninja
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Yeah, while they came up with it for the film, it's also made available to the EU authors who wrote the ancilary prequel fare.

I think the visual dictionaries have a writeup on it, and a lot what they have here on Wikipedia is derived from the Visual Dictionary material, as well as things written in the novelizations and EU prequel books.
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#255356
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Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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I'm just saying if it's okay for you to be subjective, I don't see the problem with me being subjective.

The difference between you and I is I don't have to insult my opposition to state my case.

That's what makes me -not- a troll.

I also don't see why anyone would say that TFN has anything against people who just like the O-OT. They just expect you guys to be able to respect the fact that not everyone will agree with you.

You don't want to do that? I really don't care. But that would be your problem, not mine.
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#255348
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Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
No it's the people who constantly try and get me banned to no avail who are the problem.

Jesus, Go-Mer, you have a frelling river in Egypt named for you!
Yeah, well maybe that's because it's a persistantly running river that doesn't go away just because some people would rather there weren't a river.
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#255334
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Official Star Wars newsletter from 1978
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For one I do think a lot of the blame lies at Lucas' own feet, because he isn't the best public speaker. I don't think it's something he can help, he just isn't good at speaking publicly. So sure it's his fault for being unclear, but I think we could be a little nicer about understanding that misunderstandings can happen.

I think that when he started writing his concept for SW, it was too big, so he took part of it and made it into ANH. Then when that was successful, he started plugging more of what he originally came up with into the next two episodes of the classic trilogy, and was even at one point thinking of making the full story a 9 film cycle. But when he got to ESB/ROTJ, he suddenly realized he didn't want to spend that much of the rest of his life making SW movies, and by then he wasn't even sure he wanted to do more than 3 with all the headaches he was going through trying to make them happen, so he took the final resolution of the Emperor being vanquished and pushed it up to the 6th film.

When that happened, all the story treatments he had come up with for an eventual 3rd trilogy were rendered obsolete, because they all ended with the same resolution we got at the end of ROTJ: That the Sith had finally been vanquished. So while he had been thinking about doing a third trilogy, he had never come up with anything beyond the destruction of the Sith. To him, that's where the story ended, and he never took it further.

I also don't see the motivation for Lucas to lie. The man is the master of his own destiny and anwers to no-one. What purpose would lying about this stuff serve?

I also don't see the contradiction between Lucas saying the dark side is more powerful in the short term, because Yoda says it's quicker, easier, more seductive. That makes it more powerful in the short term, but lacking in the long term, which is pretty much what Yoda is saying too as far as I can tell.
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#255324
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Official Star Wars newsletter from 1978
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I think you have simply misunderstood him. I don't think he means to say he always had a rock solid plan for how these movies turned out.

I have seen plenty of other places where he has no trouble recalling the many changes he went through to get to what we now know as Star Wars. I think it was in one of the prequel commentary tracks where he talks about how he only had a rough outline for the prequels.

Where did you see Lucas ever saying he had more than the rough outline for the prequels?
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#255308
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Official Star Wars newsletter from 1978
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I don't think he's denying coming up with the story treatments, he's just denying ever coming up with a storyline that would follow the story's resolution in ROTJ.

When he says all he had for the prequels was a rough outline, that's really all he had for the prequels.

I think the truth is as we all agree, and I think Lucas would agree with that assessment as well.

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#255299
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Jedi as ninja
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The reason they come up with such an elaborate lightsaber methodology is so that it remains consistant in it's depiction wether it's a main or background character.

While we don't see enough of any given background character to get too far into his "personality" of lightsaber combat, it's still there.
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#255297
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Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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I respect the community here and have backed off from time to time.

There are a lot of threads where I don't contest every side point being brought up. Take the "What did the PT need" thread where all I did was talk about something cool that someone could do if they wanted to make their own prequel and sequel trilogy.

There is another thread about dreaming about Star Wars where all I did was talk about dreams I had about all terrain scout walkers (the kind from the classic trilogy mind you).

In one of the threads I have been fairly prevelent in, someone had posted an article for the purpose of calling Lucas a liar, and I defended my point that I think he's just misunderstood. No I did not let that go. I feel strongly about it.

How could I disagree with the venomous negativity a lot of people here have for Lucas and still respect you guys as a community?

I speak out about the negativity because I think it's counter productive to getting Lucas to resonsider his stance for the O-OT. We all saw that making this pettition got him to change his mind about releasing it at all, and unless you guys are giving up, I think we could get him to rethink his stance on cleaning up a new anamorphic transfer.

But I think we have a better chance of making that happen without the incredible amount of disrespect that a lot of us here show Lucas on a daily basis.
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#255283
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Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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I'm not going to leave or silence myself just because some of you can't handle an alternate point of view.

Trying to silence me as this thread is attempting to do -is- an attempt to censor my opinion. You guys are trying to take my right to express my own opinions away, just because you don't like hearing it. Disagreeing with someone else's point of view is not in any way trying to take their right to an opinion away from them. It's merely offering another point of view. I do respect the people I debate with, even the wonderful people who have made it a mission of their life to get me banned at every Star Wars board I have frequented.

On the other hand, just about everyone here has had -no- problem disrespecting my point of view. Saying I want to have gay sex with Lucas. Saying that I am flat out wrong for holding the opinions I have, and generally insulting me for not having a problem with the Star Wars saga.

So if I have to go for "insinuating" disrespect, shouldn't all of you be banned for doing it outright?

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#255239
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Star Wars most inconsistent plot point, in my opinion: Star Wars Lethal Alliance game
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Originally posted by: see you auntie
To make a comparison about a puppet looking different which I don't even care about, you claimed that Luke also looked different between movies. Fine. I've got no problem with that.

When ADM claimed Luke looked different because of his car accident, which is out of the control of all humans, Yoda had no such accident cause he's a freakin' puppet he's in the hands of the puppet people. Agreed?

I think that was a bad analogy on your part. But mistakes are made you're only human. Comparing something that was out of ones control to something that was with in ones control is a bad analogy. Agreed? If my point was that the classic trilogy also had main characters who looked different between films, and I used the fact that Luke looked different between ANH and ESB, then I think the comparison was apt. I wasn't even getting into -why- they looked different. Certainly, I didn't blame Mark for being in an accident.

The reason Yoda looked different was because the original puppet had disintegrated, and they set out to make a more emotive version of Yoda. In the end the combination of his new expressive abilities and his "more youthful" sculpt resulted in a Yoda that was a little further from what he was originally than should have been the case. That's why they are replacing this puppet Yoda with CG.
Originally posted by: see you auntiePoor dude got in a motherfucking car accident and you blame him for looking different between movies. That's in poor taste and seems to me like clutching at straws to use that to support your argument.
I didn't blame him, I'm just saying TPM Yoda looked more like the Yoda we see in the rest of the movies than Luke looked like Luke from ANH as compared to ESB and ROTJ. I was just saying if we could let it slide for the classic trilogy, why couldn't most of us roll along with something like that in the prequels? Where did you get the idea I blamed Mark Hammil for being in a car accident? We let Mark's difference in appearance slide because like I said the poor dude was in a motherfucking car accident.

And I never said you blame Mark for being in a car accident. Don't put words in my mouth. I said you blame his difference in appearance on being in a car accident. Let that slide, he could have been killed. Agreed? Yes it's terrible he was in an accident.
Originally posted by: see you auntie But we can't blame Mark for his change in appearance. Shit happens in life. But people (not me I don't care, so don't argue it with me) can argue why Yoda looks different in 10 years or whatever the argument is.
That was my point is either way you can make sense of both Luke and Yoda looking different. It just seems that a lot of people only wanted to roll along with stuff like that for the classic trilogy, but they don't want to do that with the prequels now.Originally posted by: see you auntie
I'm not proving anyone's point I'm stating my opinion. But see above. Yoda's appearance is controllable, Mark's is not. Bad analogy.
Well I think they tried to make a good Yoda for Episode I but it just didn't work out. Was it controllable? I don't know. With the original puppet being destroyed, they had to make a new one. They could have made it look just like the old one but I don't blame them for trying to make him look younger.Originally posted by: see you auntie
At least Lucas could of made sure Ewan got better wigs. If they can provide Liam with a decent wig and fake beard why not extend the same service for Ewan.I think it's harder to do short hair wigs and make them look good.
That's a definite statement. Is that the expert opinion of a wigmaker?
I don't know any, it just seems logical to me as a wig layperson.

I don't think the reason -for- Mark's appearance change renders my point that "his appearance had changed" in bad taste.
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#255214
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Official Star Wars newsletter from 1978
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Originally posted by: see you auntie
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic

But we are getting away from the original topic


Agreed.

But my analogy of the constant baiting and arguing were of children hitting back because they were hit. Children are hardly level headed or mature. And I feel I shouldn't have to explain my analogies as they are usual pretty simple.

<Back on topic>
Usual they are.

I would just like to say that while I do think Lucas is being misunderstood on this point, I do see why people would accuse him of lying.
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#255204
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Star Wars most inconsistent plot point, in my opinion: Star Wars Lethal Alliance game
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Originally posted by: see you auntie
You know what, some people are calling you a troll, some just don't like your PT views on this OT board, whatever I can handle your opposing views, but those statements I quoted above are bullshit. I would lean towards calling that trying to get a rise out of posters here, care to explain? They are my opinions, and they may differ from the opinions of some of the other people here.
Originally posted by: see you auntie
Poor dude got in a motherfucking car accident and you blame him for looking different between movies. That's in poor taste and seems to me like clutching at straws to use that to support your argument. I didn't blame him, I'm just saying TPM Yoda looked more like the Yoda we see in the rest of the movies than Luke looked like Luke from ANH as compared to ESB and ROTJ. I was just saying if we could let it slide for the classic trilogy, why couldn't most of us roll along with something like that in the prequels? Where did you get the idea I blamed Mark Hammil for being in a car accident?
Originally posted by: see you auntie
If you want to bring that up, how about I bring up Ewan McGregor’s difference in appearance in Episodes 1 and 2. Not between films, in them. If it makes you feel better. His reshoots have been particularly obvious.
Originally posted by: see you auntie
In episode 1 check out the scene before the naboo battle with Obi Wan and Qui Gon where he apologises for being out of line yadda yadda yadda. Ewan looks about 10 pounds heavier and is sporting a bad wig. Explanation. Reshoots. In episode 2 check out the scene in the elevator, the introduction of Obi Wan and Anakin. Ewan is sporting in my opinion the worst beard and wig in cinema in the last 20 years. There are little shots of these all throughout the movie, like his close-up before he gets floored by Dooku in their Lightsaber fight. Explanation. Reshoots. Please don't make me have to dust off my dvds to provide screencaps, please.
It's okay, I dispute none of it. I was just saying I thought it was hypocritical to blast the prequels for things that were just as true about the classic trilogy.Originally posted by: see you auntie It's hardly Lucas' fault what happens to his actors between filmimg, so if you want to bring up Mark's appearance I can counteract with Ewan's.
Thanks for helping to prove my point that the classic trilogy had the same problems.Originally posted by: see you auntie
At least Lucas could of made sure Ewan got better wigs. If they can provide Liam with a decent wig and fake beard why not extend the same service for Ewan.
I think it's harder to do short hair wigs and make them look good.Originally posted by: see you auntie
If you want to retract the above statements I'll accept that.
Well, I stand by my comments but do distance myself from your assumption that I was blaming Mark Hammil for being in an accident.