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#255158
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Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255158/action/topic#255158
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So it's okay for you to "go into the heart of the Death Star" of TFN to debate opposing views (something that you call "battling the Dark Side head on") but when I do the same thing by coming here, I am trolling? Where do you get off?
Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
My personal opinion has nothing to do with other members. It's based solely on my own read of your posting style, which is - imo - purposeful derailment of everything you touch, in an effort designed to antagonize and stir up trouble.

If it was not purposeful or designed, it is still the effect you are having ... and you have been put on notice about it many times ... so it is NOW purposeful and designed.

TROLL !
My posts are meant to challenge the status quo and offer alternatives to the mainstream way of looking at things. I have been put on notice that some of you -can't- handle a healthy debate, I just don't see how that is my responsibility. Perhaps you should be talking to the people who are actually taking threads off topic and turning them into "Go-Mer Witch Trials", simply because they would rather do that than to come up with a compelling counterpoint to something I've said.
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#255127
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Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255127/action/topic#255127
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Let's just review the people who are trying to get me banned for just a moment.

Cable-X1 Starts this wonderful poll thread titled:
Do you believe that Go-Mer-Tonic purposely derails threads and thus is a troll and should be banned? He also makes the first post in the thread that says:
"Jay and the mods, I'm not starting anything with this. I don't expect anyone to get banned or whatever. I'd just like to see the general opinion. There's nothing wrong in that, I hope." So he's "starting" a thread asking whether or not people feel I should be banned, and with time to edit the original post, he makes a second post denying that he's "starting anything" and that he doesn't "expect anyone to get banned or whatever".

As the thread progresses, 3-4 people all give testimony about how much it sucks for them to have to "deal" with people who don't hate George Lucas, the SE versions or the Prequels, and that the only logical solution is to ban -me-.

As in the other thread like this that was started by Darth_Evil, someone suggested a tool that would allow them to not even display my posts if they didn't want to see them, but that idea was immediately ignored, and followed instead by this wonderful post from Darth_Evil.:Darth_Evil: Shut up you stupid fucker.

Here's my opinion on Go-Mer. He's a classic internet troll, and an excellent one at that. He's a textbook troll and anyone saying otherwise is a textbook idiot. He derails every thread he visits making it a PT argument so he can glorify his gay lover Lucas. I'll say it one more time. I AM OK WITH DIFFERING OPINIONS, but only when they add to the discussion, and don't derail it. Hell, who knows if Go-Mer even really thinks it. He's just trolling.

And this thread probably only has a few posts left before Jay closes it. Remember how I tried the same thing?

We need to ban Go-Mer. End of story.
If there is any doubt that I am being systematically demonized by Darth_Evil and Cable-X1 for the sole purposes of getting rid of a viewpoint they just personally would rather not see, I give you:Darth_Evil: Hey....I just had a happy thought.

This thread will no doubt be closed at one point or another, but if someone starts another thread about Gomer and another after that, the mods will realize its easier to ban Gomer than to keep closing threads bashing him. What a joyus day that will be.
Now I ask you, who is really finding it difficult to handle an opposing view?
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#255079
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Official Star Wars newsletter from 1978
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255079/action/topic#255079
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I don't think Lucas is actually meaning to deny that he -ever- thought about doing more than 6 films, I think it's just the story he was originally planning to take 9 films, ended up taking 6. So anything he came up for beyond episode 6 while the plan was 9 films got rolled into the 6th chapter, hence now that the sith is destroyed, Lucas hasn't come up with what would happen next.

In that 1999 Vanity fair article, he actually says the plan is no longer 9 but 6, which means at least at that point he was being up front about it.

I think when he says he never came up with anything for a third trilogy, he just means he never came up with a storyline to follow ROTJ.
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#254817
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I Dream of Star Wars
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254817/action/topic#254817
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I used to dream about AT-ST's all the time. Like I'd be walking in a parking garage, and there would be this larger section for AT-ST's. They were not quite like the ones in ROTJ. They looked about the same, but they could fold all the way down so the head would be touching the ground between it's own feet, and it opened up like the kenner toy version with the whole top opening like the hood of a car, and it was a one-seater. It was like everyone used these things for their daily commute.
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#254770
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Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254770/action/topic#254770
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It would be easy to do because the actor would just in theory not age the whole time.

Are you doing a full 9?
Originally posted by: see you auntie
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
He's just talking about the idea of him having more story to tell after ROTJ being created by the media. In other places he says it's a "media myth". That's reading into a 9 word sentence a little much don't you think? Well it's certainly not taking it at face value.
How am I supposed to know what someone is really thinking if that's not what they are really conveying? I don't read minds, nor do I pretend to.
I think that's reasonable.And what motivations does he have to lie? Well how about to end 20 - 30 years of speculation that was started by a young him.
Couldn't he have just as easily ended it by telling the truth? What's the point of lying?People lie we can get over it. But people here are just a little frustrated that instead of just telling the truth like "You know what I've spent enough of my adult life on SW, I wanted to make 9 or 12 movies but now I'm over it, I've got nothing left to say" he has to lie and insult the intelligence of fans out there who very much remember what he has said in the past and even have the written proof.
People can lie, and also people can be misunderstood, and also people can misspeak. I'll grant you that at face value, he's saying that "talk" of a third trilogy was not done by him, but instead the media. Perhaps you are correct to think Lucas is actually purposely lying here. But at the same time, isn't it possible that Lucas just isn't the smoothest speaker? He gets asked the same questions all the time; he has canned responses to questions about what happens after ROTJ.

In that Vanity Fair article from 1999, he just about says the same thing. That he never came up with ideas for sequels. But when you put it in the context of what comes before it, in that case any way, it seems pretty apparent that he is acknowledging that the plan had changed to 6 films.

So sure, maybe he is lying to you and insulting your intelligence by making contradictory statements at different times.

I'm just saying it's also possible that with the combination of Lucas not being the best public speaker and the way the media tends to present things out of context, maybe he was misunderstood in some of those cases.

Can you really imagine anyone realistically sitting back cackling to themselves: "Mu hu ha ha ha! I said one thing in one interview, then contradicted it in the other one! Take that O-OT enthusiasts!"
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#254766
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Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254766/action/topic#254766
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It's all about context.

What purpose would he have for lying about it in the first place, and if he's actually lying about it in that quote, why wouldn't he also lie about it in the quote from Vanity Fair?

I think he is talking about not having more story to tell after ROTJ, and when they then ask him: but wasn't there talk about a third trilogy, he's thinking about a third trilogy in relation to how ROTJ turned out.

In truth he never did come up with a story after the Sith had been vanquished.

Any logical review of the 6 film saga would say that the story started in Episode I ends definatively in ROTJ.

Anything else he could have come up with for a third trilogy would have had to be a brand new situation separate from the 6 film storyline we have now.
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#254755
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Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254755/action/topic#254755
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Can this really be the end of the Star Wars saga?

GEORGE LUCAS: Yes. The series starts with Darth Vader as a young lad and ends with him dying. So I don't know where else I can take it.

Wasn't there talk at one time of three trilogies?

LUCAS: That was created by the media, not by me.
He's just talking about the idea of him having more story to tell after ROTJ being created by the media. In other places he says it's a "media myth". Again he's talking about this in the context of explaining the story as it ended up, not as he was originally thinking about doing it.

You have to keep in mind that at the time of these interviews, there was a lot of speculation about him doing a third trilogy, one of my favorite rumors was that someone was to be carbon frozen in the prequels, to be thawed out in the sequel trilogy.

While I agree he didn't use the best choice of words, I ask you.

What motivation would he possibly have for lying about this?
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#254751
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Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254751/action/topic#254751
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In that 1999 article, he is actually acknowledging that the plan was originally for 9!
The long-standing perception has been that the complete Star Wars saga is a 9 film cycle, and after Episodes I through III were finished Lucas would move on to Episodes VII, VIII, and IX, resuming where Return of the Jedi had left off. "That's really not part of the plan AT THIS POINT, " he says. "When you see it six parts, you'll understand. It really ends at part six."
What was all that about how I'm not facing up to facts when they are presented?
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#254749
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Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254749/action/topic#254749
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You want me to admit that I am speculating? Sure thing.

It's based on what Gary Kurtz said the third trilogy was going to be about. He said that the third trilogy would have involved Luke and the "other" (before the "other" was decided to be Leia) finally vanquishing the Emperor.

So can you address what I was saying?

Because what I'm saying has nothing to do with my speculation. Lucas is saying in that 1999 article, that the 9-story cycle is no longer the plan "AT THIS POINT".

That is not denying that the plan had changed, it's actually acknowledging it.