I think I’ve captured a better balance between red and orange. The previous ones I feel swayed too much one way or the other.
This just came to me: what if Tarkin designed Vader’s suit?
Tarkin should’ve been in the Prequels. He’s too important to have not been. He should’ve been a military admiral alongside Anakin, thus adding to Vader and Tarkin’s mutual respect.
Also, it’d be a great nod to Hammer horror, in which Peter Cushing played Victor Frankenstein.
How long did Luke know Ben, in the context of the OT?
To me, it always felt like they knew each other for awhile, but couldn’t see each other often because of Owen. They seem familiar with one another in their scenes together.
“Ben! Boy am I glad to see you.”
“Tell me young Luke, what brings you out this far?”
Whether or not they knew each other for awhile, I’ve never agreed with the criticism of Luke for being too sad when he dies. Luke is a person who grows to care for people fast. Likely because he doesn’t seem to have many friends on Tatooine left.
Luke about R2 near the end of the movie, after a couple days with him:
“Not on your life! That little droid and I have been through a lot together.”
On OT Radical Redux thread, I proposed changing Yavin’s (gas giant) color in ANH, and the red/orange gas giant be Endor, the planet the sanctuary moon is of.
Contrasting green and red/orange symbolizes the ultimate clash between good and evil. Also a tribute to the throne room originally being volcanic.
Attempts “Hellish” Emperor’s throne room. I did two versions, red hue and orange hue (to mimic the carbon freezing chamber).
This scene is turning out really well, I think.
Others, struggling a little bit. I’m struggling to remove a purple shadow from Vader’s saber in this shot, and my method has also completely fucked up Luke’s skin. I don’t want him looking like a vampire (at least I know an easy way to make Dooku look like one, now; that’ll come in handy).
Feedback and help would be much appreciated.
They totally should’ve gone full Frankenstein with Vader’s scene of being put into the suit.
“Now I know what it feels like to be God!”
An homage to the line from Vader could be like, “Now I know the true power of the Force!”
“Don’t you see what it means? Power! Power to rule! Power to make the world grovel at my feet!” - Jack Griffin, The Invisible Man
“If you only knew the power of the dark side!” - Darth Vader, The Empire Strikes Back
I’ve been recently rewatching (and enjoying) 30s monster movies (Frankenstein & Bride, The Invisible Man, etc.) I can say 100% that the romance scenes are never as cheesy as the AOTC ones. Sometimes it’s a bit on-the-nose, but it’s charming rather then grating (tho I will say, the romance in The Wolf Man hasn’t aged well, due to the social conventions of the time).
The performances play a part of it too. Claude Rains eats up his power-hungry monologues as Jack Griffin as much as James Earl Jones does as Darth Vader OT, and his scenes with Gloria Stuart are flowery but charming. Both Rains and Stuart were theatre actors, and thus knew how to pull off compelling melodrama. Same with Colin Clive as Henry Frankenstein and the two actresses that played Elizabeth.
Meanwhile, it feels like Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman are uncomfortable with the dialogue. They’re not experienced with that theatre melodrama, so it’s just awkward.
It’s also why Ian McDiarmid and Christoper Lee fare better with their material. McDiarmid is a theatre actor and Lee was basically reprising his role as Dracula.
-remove Vader saying “I must obey my master”. Now he just says “You don’t know the power of the dark side”. Vader should be confident in what he believes is right like in ESB, rather than doing it just cause of the Emperor. For goodness sakes, he was plotting to take over before this film.
-remove Vader saying “It is too late for me son.” Way too obvious of foreshadowing, cheapens his eventual turn, and makes Vader seem like he already knows that what he believes in is wrong and misguided. This moment of self revelation for our characters is meant to happen at the END of the arc.
-remove the Emperor saying “You must know by now your father can never be turned from the dark side.” This just sounds plain stupid and makes the Emperor think of Vader as some prize that he has fooled. Vader should feel like a respected ally and learner of the Emperor.
-remove Vader saying “It is useless to resist.” What is this, some sort of shiny object called the Dark side being dangled in front of Luke. This makes the dark side feel less complex.
1 & 2. Darth Vader doesn’t believe he’s doing the right thing. He’s outright sadistic, and power is all that matters to him. That’s the meaning of lines like, “If you only knew the power of the dark side!” and “I am altering the deal. Pray I don’t alter it any further.” He gloats about making Lando his bitch in his face. Twice.
A layer of regressed guilt is ashamed, but he doubles down on being evil because of his ego.
Darth Vader didn’t get high off of lording his power over others and make jokes about killing and torturing people because he thought it was the right thing. He doesn’t care what’s right, it’s about power.
His arc in the film isn’t him finding out the evil magic and killing people is actually bad (which, yeah, he’s a man in his late 40s, he should know that). It’s about choosing love over power. Not knowledge, choice.
3 & 4. I fail to see how the Emperor and Vader presenting the dark side as what it is, a powerful seductive drug, makes it “less complex”. It’s like any other dark magic in any other fantasy story. That’s what it is and always has been.
Anyone here British or have a British accent and comfortable with voice acting?
I’d like to experiment with redubbing some of the officers in ANH when talking to Vader so their attitude towards him is more like in ESB and ROTJ, more timid and submissive. They’d address him more by “my lord” then “sir” (he is called “sir” in all 3 as well, but there’s more "my lord"s in the latter two films).
The extras in ANH were British actors redubbed by Americans, so I personally wouldn’t feel bad about it.
Yes, the robotic filter is slightly missing for the AI part. Same problem I encountered for Zorri in Ascendant (but surprisingly not Kylo).
Maybe decreasing the volume slightly for that part could help disguise it better. Otherwise, we’d have to figure out how Lucasfilm designed the Vader voice filter.
To reiterate, I don’t think it’s that noticeable. Only people who are purposely paying attention would notice.
Ryan Golden has practically perfectly replicated the Vader filters, even for each individual movie (it was different each time). I could ask him about it. I’m friends with him.
Here’s something new from JJB. What do you guys think?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DwmceJ0DiMyqbkGC-sEHo_rfelpqBzZV/view?usp=drive_link
That is amazing. Wow.
I like that the lightsaber colors mean something. Color theory ftw. It allows you to play around with motifs and symbolism.
The Sith bleeding their crystals is so much better. It’s symbolic of their nature and relationship with the Force.
Not only do they have to steal a crystal from a Jedi (a test of their “survival of the fittest” ideology; if you’re too weak to beat a Jedi, you can’t be a Sith), but they also force the crystal to submit to their will, their dark side emotions. That’s what they do to the Force and the entire galaxy: bend it to fit their selfish desires.
When Vader bleeds his own crystal, it’s symbolic of his entire nature as a Sith Lord. He imprisons it within his unyielding robotic fists and subjects it to his power-hunger, his rage.
It’s visual storytelling for how can’t let go of his ego and hatred, because otherwise he’d have to face his guilt, regret, and he refuses to feel that vulnerability. He can’t confront it because he can never bring himself to believe he deserves redemption.
To make himself feel powerful, he makes others suffer.
It feels true to the original trilogy. It’s mythic, spiritual, fantastical, symbolic, fueled by emotion and character-work. The crystals being synthetic feels too prequel-like: overly complicated and based in mechanics rather then spirituality and emotional storytelling.
I like the idea that stormtroopers are clones.
In the way it was intended during the originals. Not that they’re all Boba Fett, but test-tube babies from multiple different hosts. I believe nepotism was involved too, with troopers being grown from certain high-ranking officers DNA.
It adds to the soullessness of the Empire. People weren’t voluntarily enlisting, they were artificially growing people and indoctrinating them for the sole purpose of serving.
When Lucas was making AOTC he intended for the stormtroopers to he the clones, which is why be had Jango bump his head on the door of his ship.
Make the Jedi Temple more like Mt. Olympus in Greek mythology by placing it on top of a high mountain.
Additionally, make it look more ancient and full of life. The poles have dust, rust, the place looks more brown. Even have plant life growing across it.
So you’re not going with Padme dying on Alderon? When Leia is a toddler
Sorry, I just don’t know how to execute that, and I like that parallel sequence.
Updated first post to accurately describe the status of each edit and my new plans for the OT.
They’ll still be minor edits with mostly aesthetic changes (may look like quite a bit of changes when listed, but none of them are anything that have a major impact on the movie’s quality from a critical stance; all 3 are still masterpieces to me).
I have some ambitious Adywan-esqe ideas for them (as I do for the Prequels), but again, no major narrative changes.
ESB will likely be first done.
I don’t plan on using Revisited as the base for them anymore (though I do plan on integrating some shots from Revisited). Rather, oohteedee’s D+77/80/83 (thus I specify when I integrate an SE change).
I prefer the look of the 2019 versions, especially with oohteedee’s regrades. I will likely also do a bit of regrading myself.
I’ll still be offering my older version of ESB based on Revisited for anyone who wants it.
I know it can appear like I’m all talk (which I admit is partially due to my ADHD, and a somewhat perfectionist nature) but I do make earnest attempts to make stuff, and I want to release my own saga someday. I want them to be made more then anyone else wants to see them probably, since I can actually imagine it in my head.
My attempts to make Mustafar more orange like the carbon freezing chamber
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Color grading. Open to feedback.
For Padme’s death (and general Naboo/Padme aesthetic) I wanted to give it a more heavenly feel. I like how it makes Padme look more angelic, and Obi-Wan more kind.
Heavily contrasted by Vader’s creation, which is a stark black. I wanted to attempt to make it look like the carbon freezing chamber from ESB, but with everything on Mustafar, there’s enough orange in this movie.
Padme passes on into heaven, Vader completes his transformation to a cold monster.
Sorry for the black borders, I exported directly from Premiere Pro.
Speaking of Mustafar, I’m regrading it too. I want it to look more like the carbon freezing chamber in ESB. I don’t like how it looks like just this splotch of red.
This one I’m a little less confident in, but I think it looks good as of now.
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This sounds like my definitive Star Wars! Could I get a link to your ESB?
Wow, I really need to update this thread lol. My ideas have changed somewhat.
For ESB it won’t be too much, but I do plan on going from Adywan Revisited as the base to D+80.
I’ll send you the previous version of ESB, though.
I’m happy to see someone else caring as much as I do about the look of planets.
Might I suggest making Naboo go through seasons? In TPM it’s summer, representing the Republic standing strong. In AotC it’s fall, representing the slowly crumbling Republic. In RotS, it’s a snowy winter, representing the dissolution of the Republic. This also evenly spreads the workload, since TPM, which features Naboo prominently, wouldn’t need to be altered at all, while the hardest edit to pull off (adding snow) would be relegated to a movie that only features one brief scene on Naboo.
I like that Star Wars planets are one biome. It makes them stick out and helps the storytelling, as you instantly know where you are. Hence why I thought it’d be interesting to have a planet that looks perpetually autumn. You could experiment with the specific colors a bit to convey a certain mood, lighter or darker yellows/oranges depending on the scene.
Summer vibes also work, perhaps complete with alien flowers.
idea from a DeviantArt user named Andres
Without a link and with such a generic name it’s impossible to find the picture(s) you’re referring to.
I actually misremembered the name, it’s Angel, or SWRemixed.
https://www.deviantart.com/swremixed/art/SW2-AOTC-Geonosis-ReColor-02-126952813
https://www.deviantart.com/swremixed/art/SW2-AOTC-Geonosis-ReColor-04-127083486
He also gave Dooku’s castle more of a classic horror look, which is badass.
I’m not sure why you wanna change Alderaan though. It’s fine the way it is, and its appearance is so brief.
Just to add more alien worlds. Alderaan isn’t too unique, its a city with snowy mountains. But perhaps this idea would suit a different planet.
The lesser the screentime, the less mattes that would have to be made.
Which is why, when I consider the OT, it feels way more convenient to try and make Yavin IV more alien as opposed to the Endor moon, which has a lot of screentime (and is honestly pretty iconic; I’d want to add some alien vegetation but not entirely remove the redwood look).
Move the red gas giant from ANH to ROTJ.
Yavin would be a different color gas giant in ANH, while in ROTJ, a red gas giant would be the planet of which the Endor moon derives from.
As such, this would be a light source from which a red tint can be added to darker scenes.
The clash of red and green would emphasize the climactic internal and external battle between the light in the dark.
The blue elements of the Emperor’s throne room would be red. I wouldn’t want it to be overbearing, still grey and mechanical, but with some red hues.
This would also be sort of a tribute to the fact that it was originally gonna be in a volcanic area.
I would want to add Fortress Vader to my version of the saga, I just don’t know at when or how. It’s just too great a setting and visual characterization for Darth Vader that I want it in the OT.
I’m glad you guys like that idea. Finally, another way to organically and feasibly implement Anakin desiring immortality into the movies.
Now I just got to figure out how to do it. I’d want this figure of Death to resemble Vader, but more abstract. Retains the idea of Vader symbolically being The Angel of Death but without it being so on the nose.
Other ideas were flooding in recently, thought I’d share.
I’m sick of how many green forest planets there are in Star Wars. What if Naboo was made into a planet that’s perpetually autumn? Trees with orange leaves, an overall warm yellow tint, like LOTR Rivendell.
Turn Geonosis into a gray ash field (idea from a DeviantArt user named Angel/SWRemixed).
Turn Alderaan into a purple crystal planet. Purple is a traditionally royal color that fits Bail and Leia.
Replace Count Dooku’s force lightning with a red vampiric power that absorbs the Living Force from another user (that user can recover, of course). Adds more unique dark side powers.
Further extrapolating from what I said before, reveal that Dooku has a more Dracula-like face as his true form. I don’t like that Dooku isn’t physically corrupted by the dark side.
It’s also foreshadowing of Palpatine also masking his monstrous appearance with dark side alchemy.
Grade the medical bay where Vader’s suit is created to look like the carbon freezing chamber in ESB. I attempted this today in Premiere, but am admittedly an amateur and couldn’t get it to look good. I might keep trying.
Also regrade Mustafar to be more of that same ESB carbon chamber orange tone. I’ve gotten sick of how it just looks like a splotch of red. I prefer the way it looks in Rogue One and the Kenobi show.
Try to resequence ROTS to swap the arrangement of the Mustafar slaughter and Order 66. Could hamper internal logic and may even be structurally impossible, but could serve to make the turn to the dark side more believable and gradual.
Perhaps either the Neimoidians don’t receive orders from anybody on-screen (would require their characters redubbed so they’re actually scary) or the hooded figure is Maul. Sidious wouldn’t be seen until the end of AOTC.
Take cues from Adywan and have TPM be partially about the Federation attempting to gain control of cloning technology. And/or implement them wanting Naboo’s plasma resources into the actual narrative to give more explanation for their actions.
Also Adywan inspired, make the Clones derived from multiple Mandalorian warriors, not just Jango Fett. Attempt to mitigate universe-shrinking.
Add creatures in the lakes of lava on Mustafar that attempt to grab and drag people in. Taking inspiration from the River Styx in Greek mythology.
Use footage from the Kenobi show to create new scene with dialogue to solidify that Anakin is fully Vader now, psychologically. Perhaps a scene of him in his fortress receiving orders from Palpatine to kill a remaining Jedi, or on a Star Destroyer bridge ordering officers to set a course for a system with a Jedi. More rageful then OT Vader, but mostly the stoic OT Vader we’re familiar with.
I like to put my ideas out there, even before I do them. I know it can appear like I’m all talk (which I admit is partially due to my ADHD) but I do make earnest attempts to make stuff, and I want to release my own saga someday. I want them to be made more then anyone else wants to see them probably, since I can actually imagine it in my head.
Worley is a creator worshipper. What determines whether a film is good or not to him is the name attached to it. Everything Lucas makes is good, everything modern Disney makes is bad. The exception is when said artist had their vision tampered with by a studio.
He ranks the Prequels over Empire Strikes Back (ew) because while he still at least knows ESB is an excellent film, Irvin Kershner’s direction isn’t exactly like Lucas, so it goes last in his ranking of Lucas’ 6 film saga. Ironic, he’s degrading ESB for reflecting the vision of the person who directed it.
There’s a difference between respecting an artist and their work and believing everything they make is perfect.
Art being made with vision does not mean that others can’t desire it be different or want to make a derivative work (he slandered despecialized, calling it “fanfiction”, as if it was ever attempting to usurp the current official version), that others can’t interpret it differently, or just generally that they can’t have an opinion.
One can make an argument that when one watches a movie, they’re making their own “artwork” by forming their own interpretation of said art.
He wants everyone to submit to this tyrannical view of art that you have to think something is good just because it represents the artist’s vision.
We’ve been analyzing The Killing Joke for like 3 weeks now in a literature college course I’m taking (yes, we’re reading Batman in college; my professor is awesome). A big part of that is different interpretations. We’re not just reciting Alan Moore quotes over and over.
Quick VFX sample of the upcoming Final update of COD. Still a WIP.
added antennas and decal to match previous shots. and color grade.
What are all of your planned changes?
What if there’s a reoccurring motif of nightmares symbolizing Anakin’s fear of death throughout the trilogy?
I got the inspiration from this panel from Soule’s Vader comic run. As well as the ROTS novel, which has this symbolic “Dragon” that tells Anakin that “All things die. Even stars burn out”.
In TPM, Anakin has nightmares of this figure of Death taking himself and his mother someday.
In AOTC, Death taunts him, telling him he has his mother now, just as he will have him someday.
In ROTS, after the death of Dooku, Death taunts him that it doesn’t matter how strong he becomes, he will have him someday. Then later (going with the idea that the nightmare of Padme’s death happens way later in the movie, to plant the idea of Anakin craving immortality), we see this figure of Death taking Padme. Perhaps choking her, or some variant of the OG nightmare; perhaps take a cue from the original idea where she’s consumed by flames, as described in The Secret History of Star Wars.
This figure could be straight up Vader, or a more abstract shape of Vader, or even just straight up the Grim Reaper. Or maybe take a cue from the novel and have it be a Dragon, and when Anakin becomes Vader, just as in the novel, it chokes and kills the Dragon.
If the shape is Vader or resembles Vader, it further cements the symbolism of Anakin becoming an angel of Death in trying to cheat it.
I’m brainstorming ways I could execute it visually. I know Snooker made this demo of Anakin facing Vader in a nightmare in AOTC.
