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My attempts to make Mustafar more orange like the carbon freezing chamber

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Color grading. Open to feedback.

For Padme’s death (and general Naboo/Padme aesthetic) I wanted to give it a more heavenly feel. I like how it makes Padme look more angelic, and Obi-Wan more kind.

Heavily contrasted by Vader’s creation, which is a stark black. I wanted to attempt to make it look like the carbon freezing chamber from ESB, but with everything on Mustafar, there’s enough orange in this movie.

Padme passes on into heaven, Vader completes his transformation to a cold monster.
Sorry for the black borders, I exported directly from Premiere Pro.

Speaking of Mustafar, I’m regrading it too. I want it to look more like the carbon freezing chamber in ESB. I don’t like how it looks like just this splotch of red.
This one I’m a little less confident in, but I think it looks good as of now.

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TheSkissors said:

This sounds like my definitive Star Wars! Could I get a link to your ESB?

Wow, I really need to update this thread lol. My ideas have changed somewhat.

For ESB it won’t be too much, but I do plan on going from Adywan Revisited as the base to D+80.

I’ll send you the previous version of ESB, though.

Anakin Starkiller said:

I’m happy to see someone else caring as much as I do about the look of planets.

Might I suggest making Naboo go through seasons? In TPM it’s summer, representing the Republic standing strong. In AotC it’s fall, representing the slowly crumbling Republic. In RotS, it’s a snowy winter, representing the dissolution of the Republic. This also evenly spreads the workload, since TPM, which features Naboo prominently, wouldn’t need to be altered at all, while the hardest edit to pull off (adding snow) would be relegated to a movie that only features one brief scene on Naboo.

I like that Star Wars planets are one biome. It makes them stick out and helps the storytelling, as you instantly know where you are. Hence why I thought it’d be interesting to have a planet that looks perpetually autumn. You could experiment with the specific colors a bit to convey a certain mood, lighter or darker yellows/oranges depending on the scene.

Summer vibes also work, perhaps complete with alien flowers.

idea from a DeviantArt user named Andres

Without a link and with such a generic name it’s impossible to find the picture(s) you’re referring to.

I actually misremembered the name, it’s Angel, or SWRemixed.

https://www.deviantart.com/swremixed/art/SW2-AOTC-Geonosis-ReColor-02-126952813
https://www.deviantart.com/swremixed/art/SW2-AOTC-Geonosis-ReColor-04-127083486

He also gave Dooku’s castle more of a classic horror look, which is badass.

I’m not sure why you wanna change Alderaan though. It’s fine the way it is, and its appearance is so brief.

Just to add more alien worlds. Alderaan isn’t too unique, its a city with snowy mountains. But perhaps this idea would suit a different planet.

The lesser the screentime, the less mattes that would have to be made.
Which is why, when I consider the OT, it feels way more convenient to try and make Yavin IV more alien as opposed to the Endor moon, which has a lot of screentime (and is honestly pretty iconic; I’d want to add some alien vegetation but not entirely remove the redwood look).

Move the red gas giant from ANH to ROTJ.
Yavin would be a different color gas giant in ANH, while in ROTJ, a red gas giant would be the planet of which the Endor moon derives from.
As such, this would be a light source from which a red tint can be added to darker scenes.
The clash of red and green would emphasize the climactic internal and external battle between the light in the dark.
The blue elements of the Emperor’s throne room would be red. I wouldn’t want it to be overbearing, still grey and mechanical, but with some red hues.
This would also be sort of a tribute to the fact that it was originally gonna be in a volcanic area.

I would want to add Fortress Vader to my version of the saga, I just don’t know at when or how. It’s just too great a setting and visual characterization for Darth Vader that I want it in the OT.

I’m glad you guys like that idea. Finally, another way to organically and feasibly implement Anakin desiring immortality into the movies.
Now I just got to figure out how to do it. I’d want this figure of Death to resemble Vader, but more abstract. Retains the idea of Vader symbolically being The Angel of Death but without it being so on the nose.

Other ideas were flooding in recently, thought I’d share.

I’m sick of how many green forest planets there are in Star Wars. What if Naboo was made into a planet that’s perpetually autumn? Trees with orange leaves, an overall warm yellow tint, like LOTR Rivendell.

Turn Geonosis into a gray ash field (idea from a DeviantArt user named Angel/SWRemixed).

Turn Alderaan into a purple crystal planet. Purple is a traditionally royal color that fits Bail and Leia.

Replace Count Dooku’s force lightning with a red vampiric power that absorbs the Living Force from another user (that user can recover, of course). Adds more unique dark side powers.

Further extrapolating from what I said before, reveal that Dooku has a more Dracula-like face as his true form. I don’t like that Dooku isn’t physically corrupted by the dark side.
It’s also foreshadowing of Palpatine also masking his monstrous appearance with dark side alchemy.

Grade the medical bay where Vader’s suit is created to look like the carbon freezing chamber in ESB. I attempted this today in Premiere, but am admittedly an amateur and couldn’t get it to look good. I might keep trying.

Also regrade Mustafar to be more of that same ESB carbon chamber orange tone. I’ve gotten sick of how it just looks like a splotch of red. I prefer the way it looks in Rogue One and the Kenobi show.

Try to resequence ROTS to swap the arrangement of the Mustafar slaughter and Order 66. Could hamper internal logic and may even be structurally impossible, but could serve to make the turn to the dark side more believable and gradual.

Perhaps either the Neimoidians don’t receive orders from anybody on-screen (would require their characters redubbed so they’re actually scary) or the hooded figure is Maul. Sidious wouldn’t be seen until the end of AOTC.

Take cues from Adywan and have TPM be partially about the Federation attempting to gain control of cloning technology. And/or implement them wanting Naboo’s plasma resources into the actual narrative to give more explanation for their actions.

Also Adywan inspired, make the Clones derived from multiple Mandalorian warriors, not just Jango Fett. Attempt to mitigate universe-shrinking.

Add creatures in the lakes of lava on Mustafar that attempt to grab and drag people in. Taking inspiration from the River Styx in Greek mythology.

Use footage from the Kenobi show to create new scene with dialogue to solidify that Anakin is fully Vader now, psychologically. Perhaps a scene of him in his fortress receiving orders from Palpatine to kill a remaining Jedi, or on a Star Destroyer bridge ordering officers to set a course for a system with a Jedi. More rageful then OT Vader, but mostly the stoic OT Vader we’re familiar with.

I like to put my ideas out there, even before I do them. I know it can appear like I’m all talk (which I admit is partially due to my ADHD) but I do make earnest attempts to make stuff, and I want to release my own saga someday. I want them to be made more then anyone else wants to see them probably, since I can actually imagine it in my head.

Worley is a creator worshipper. What determines whether a film is good or not to him is the name attached to it. Everything Lucas makes is good, everything modern Disney makes is bad. The exception is when said artist had their vision tampered with by a studio.

He ranks the Prequels over Empire Strikes Back (ew) because while he still at least knows ESB is an excellent film, Irvin Kershner’s direction isn’t exactly like Lucas, so it goes last in his ranking of Lucas’ 6 film saga. Ironic, he’s degrading ESB for reflecting the vision of the person who directed it.

There’s a difference between respecting an artist and their work and believing everything they make is perfect.
Art being made with vision does not mean that others can’t desire it be different or want to make a derivative work (he slandered despecialized, calling it “fanfiction”, as if it was ever attempting to usurp the current official version), that others can’t interpret it differently, or just generally that they can’t have an opinion.
One can make an argument that when one watches a movie, they’re making their own “artwork” by forming their own interpretation of said art.
He wants everyone to submit to this tyrannical view of art that you have to think something is good just because it represents the artist’s vision.

We’ve been analyzing The Killing Joke for like 3 weeks now in a literature college course I’m taking (yes, we’re reading Batman in college; my professor is awesome). A big part of that is different interpretations. We’re not just reciting Alan Moore quotes over and over.

That guy with no name said:

Quick VFX sample of the upcoming Final update of COD. Still a WIP.

added antennas and decal to match previous shots. and color grade.

What are all of your planned changes?

What if there’s a reoccurring motif of nightmares symbolizing Anakin’s fear of death throughout the trilogy?

I got the inspiration from this panel from Soule’s Vader comic run. As well as the ROTS novel, which has this symbolic “Dragon” that tells Anakin that “All things die. Even stars burn out”.

In TPM, Anakin has nightmares of this figure of Death taking himself and his mother someday.
In AOTC, Death taunts him, telling him he has his mother now, just as he will have him someday.
In ROTS, after the death of Dooku, Death taunts him that it doesn’t matter how strong he becomes, he will have him someday. Then later (going with the idea that the nightmare of Padme’s death happens way later in the movie, to plant the idea of Anakin craving immortality), we see this figure of Death taking Padme. Perhaps choking her, or some variant of the OG nightmare; perhaps take a cue from the original idea where she’s consumed by flames, as described in The Secret History of Star Wars.

This figure could be straight up Vader, or a more abstract shape of Vader, or even just straight up the Grim Reaper. Or maybe take a cue from the novel and have it be a Dragon, and when Anakin becomes Vader, just as in the novel, it chokes and kills the Dragon.

If the shape is Vader or resembles Vader, it further cements the symbolism of Anakin becoming an angel of Death in trying to cheat it.

I’m brainstorming ways I could execute it visually. I know Snooker made this demo of Anakin facing Vader in a nightmare in AOTC.

That guy with no name said:

If that’s the case then why does that shot in 2011 blu-ray look so much better? and why do the foreground elements look so sharp and clear? it’s as if they re-rendered those elements but didn’t do anything to the background.

I was thinking that bc the 2019 ones are higher resolution the old CG just sticks out more as dated. I’m not really all too knowledgeable about film restoration so.

Channel72 said:

I hate Messianic prophecies in general, or the very idea of a Messiah, because it encourages the idea that all hope for the future is dependent on one dude, instead of like, the group effort that is required in real life.

It’s inclusion in the story doesn’t change the fact that it took so many to save the galaxy. Anakin may have killed the Emperor, but if not for Luke, he would’ve stayed Vader for the rest of his life. It doesn’t change the contributions of Han, Leia, Lando, etc.

Channel72 said:

Granted, Star Wars doesn’t incorporate a true Messiah into the mythology. Vader is more like a very round-about Messiah who only saves the Universe after he fucks over the entire Universe. So it’s at least a twist on the idea of a Messiah, kind of like Dune. But I still don’t like it, because it shrinks the Universe by elevating one guy to cosmic significance. At one point, Luke was just a random farmboy and Vader was just a cyborg SS officer carrying out the will of his government. There was a backstory intertwining the two of them, but it was personal, not a matter of cosmic importance.

Darth Vader, even exclusively in the OT
Is the Emperor’s right hand
Was critical in wiping out the Jedi Order
Who’s power in the Force is notable enough that Yoda makes a point of it multiple times, both when he was a Jedi and as a Sith
He’s the father of the protagonist
Who killed the Emperor

Luke Skywalker was the one remaining son of the Jedi, that were otherwise entirely extinct besides Obi-Wan and Yoda. When they pass on, he’s the only Jedi left. He’s the only Force user in the Rebellion. And he’s just as critical in saving the galaxy as his father.

They were never just some dudes.

There’s a difference between something like Yoda and Chewbacca being best pals and attaching mythological undercurrents to what were already arguably the two most significant characters in the OT.

I think it’s worth noting too that Luke is my second favorite character after Vader, so I appreciate how it elevates him just as much as his father.

I think the reason for the low quality special edition effects is bc computers back then couldn’t render in 4k. Unless Disney updates them, they’re stuck in the resolution they were made in.
But yeah I noticed the same thing. Part of what makes me stick to D+77/80/83 is the 97 effects just look putrid in the 2019 versions (I prefer to watch oohteedee’s regrades of those versions when watching the OT).
I wouldn’t object to something like adding digital Dewbacks so much if they could look at all like they exist in the same plane of existence.

Spartacus01 said:

Let’s be honest here, the main reason you like the idea of ​​Anakin being the Chosen One is because it turns Darth Vader, who is your favorite character, into the most important person in the entire galaxy. 😂
If Anakin was not conceived to be the Chosen One of an ancient Jedi prophecy, the Prequels could have been written with the same story, and nothing would have changed at all.

I won’t deny that. I figured you’d agree since you like the Prequels just as they are.

So excited by this new influx of content Adywan, thank you

I know some find it cheesy, but I love the idea that Anakin/Vader is “Space Jesus”. Mostly because it’s more of a subversion of the trope.

Star Wars is a modern myth, and I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s just “Jesus” in particular. Demigods are a common staple of mythology, from Mesopotamian to Greek to Hebrew. Especially since The Force isn’t strictly a metaphor for the Christian God, but more a concept that symbolizes Gods across cultures, imagines God as more of this energy field rather then an entity.

It elevates Darth Vader, especially in Canon, where he never lost any of his potential, into a greater cosmic/religious horror idea.
What if the Messiah sold his soul to the Devil (Palpatine) and became his Dragon, this Angel of Death who collects souls to bring them to the underworld? He uses his demigod like powers to commit atrocities, sets out to kill all of the other Angels/Priests (however one wishes to equate the Jedi symbolically), bring the galaxy under the Devil’s heel. What if Hercules became Hades’ servant and did the same thing?
Vader becomes this Grim Reaper, enforcer of Death, in trying to cheat death.

Because the Force conceived of Anakin, but Palpatine was this abusive father figure to him, he’s both the Son of God and Satan. He’s simultaneously Christ and the Antichrist, because Vader is the pure manifestation of Anakin’s dark side.

Luke Skywalker (and Leia) thereby also becomes a demigod, and as such, emphasizes his importance to Obi-Wan and Yoda and the galaxy. You need a demigod to fight a demigod.
Luke has equal potential to his father, and as such, not only is Vader made a greater force through this idea, but Luke. He’s the hero, the one person who can defeat the Devil’s Dragon.
Only Vader’s blood could face him, not only because they’re both demigods, but because of what Luke represents. His son isn’t just his blood, it’s Padme’s. The only one who can shake his soul’s faith in the dark side.

Anakin doesn’t return and fulfill his destiny until his son Luke is able to, through his compassion, compel him to redeem himself. Sons of Gods and Demigods battling and having complicated familial relationships is also a common motif in mythology. How interesting is it, too, that Jesus doesn’t sacrifice himself until he’s spent decades entrenched in sin? And really only sacrificed himself for his son?

It’s fascinating for me. For the record, I’m an atheist who finds mythology interesting.

Bepis28 said:

For sure, i’m just wondering how that would be sorted out, visually with another actor, a line of dialogue, which film/films that would be shown, heard in, etc.

I mean, you can’t just have another dude be Vader before the suit, it’s an edit that attempts to hide the reveal that Vader is Anakin, not one that actually makes Vader and Anakin separate ppl.

Perhaps the presumption is supposed to be that Vader was Obi-Wan’s apprentice before Anakin?

TDS91939 said:

Interesting choices, why “The Chosen One”? For Attack of the Clones

I said it’s one of the titles I considered for TPM.

TDS91939 said:

If I was to make a fan edit, I think I would change the prequel titles minus Revenge of the Sith. Just to mirror the original trilogy like The Phantom Menace should be ‘A New Threat’ and Attack of the Clones should be ‘The Republic Strikes Back’

Far too on the nose.

The titles already do parallel one another.

The Phantom Menance and A New Hope both describe the rise of a new heroic or villainous force that will define the galaxy.
Attack of the Clones and The Empire Strikes Back both describe the victory of the stated faction, and ties into how the Republic became the Empire, rather then the Empire taking over the Republic.
Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi are of course about the victory of each opposing Force religion.

I have considered alternative titles. “A Vergence in the Force” and “The Chosen One” are ones I’ve considered for TPM.

I’m curious as to the status of this edit. Most of the preview videos are gone.

Give Count Dooku vampiric red eyes, akin to his Dracula days.

NFBisms said:

I think if there’s one, individual Clone Wars arc worth watching, it’s The Wrong Jedi arc (season 5 finale arc). Written by a real crime TV writer - Charles Murray - it’s genuinely just good TV and has the chops to pull off its ambitions. When Ventress talks about turning Ahsoka in to “the bondsman”, I popped. It’s good stuff - just solid procedural genre fiction.

And so much of what the show nails is distilled into these four episodes. If you hadn’t watched previous seasons, it catches you up to the character dynamics at the top, and pays them off (for once) in a single taut plotline. Every other episode tables the character development for ROTS, and this is the only one to offer a new dimension to it.

I would agree if Baris’ plan made a lick of sense.

In order for her to have to have done everything she does in the prison, she would’ve either had to have an invisibility power or the ability to phase in and out of corporeal existence. And clairvoyance.

How did she know the exact second to choke Letta? How the hell does a Jedi run around a heavily guarded prison complex with troopers moving everywhere and literally kill some with lightsabers and not get noticed by anybody or caught on the CCTV? Tarkin literally says, “We don’t just have anybody running around in here”. In ANH, our heroes take over the control room (where the cameras likely feed to), disguise as troopers, blow up the cameras in the prison bay, and it’s also part of Vader’s plan for them to escape. Baris couldn’t disguise in trooper armor because her proportions don’t match. The prison is shown to have tip-top security, any Jedi entering immediately have their lightsabers confiscated, and are surrounded by troopers every second. They also can’t enter unless they’re asked there, so how did she get clearance to be in there, and why did her trooper escorts leave her alone?

The arc wants me to be mad at the Jedi and Tarkin, but like, it’s literally physically impossible for it to be anybody but Ahsoka. From their perspective, they did nothing wrong.
Even if Baris’ plan made any sense, Ahsoka’s only argument is, “But they should trust me!”… like they trusted Count Dooku, who Mundi and Windu stood up for, someone who was like a brother to them, only to then get betrayed on Geonosis? They gave him the benefit of the doubt and got their back stabbed, and you’re actually gonna pull that? What a complete lack of empathy. Almost as if we’re just supposed to see Jedi Masters as blocks of wood and not human beings. She expects them to just throw all evidence out the window, I guess. Guess they should’ve also trusted Vader even after those security holograms.
The logical inconsistencies have a ripple effect on every character (which is why, yes, plot holes do matter).

Peak TCW08 is the Umbara arc, Maul + Death Watch, and Fives Inhibitor Chip arc.

I love this style logo. I think it’s a good bridge between the more modern “saga” logos and the theatrical ones.

If I could get advice on how to make them myself, or someone willing to make them, I’d be very grateful.

A ton of interesting ideas here for sure. Your plot ideas for the 3 episodes are fantastic. I LOVE that we would see a suited Darth Vader hunt down and kill Jedi. That’s something I’ve wanted on-screen for a long time. I have the Vader comics I love, but it’s not the same as on-screen. The new structure would’ve allowed more time with Vader in the suit which I love. A lot of these edits sound possible.
It is my dream to one day, even if it starts a decade later, make my own Vader fan-film adapting my favorite comic arc, Fortress Vader, and I want to be the guy in the suit. It’ll require my own Vader suit, and once I have it, it’ll also allow me to also use it for any shoots I want for my own versions of the Prequels.

Me personally, I prefer it when Anakin’s turn to Vader is entirely selfish, rather then brought from mistrust of the Jedi. OT Vader was driven by power and ego. It’s implied Anakin went through the same tests as Luke, but as Obi-Wan puts it in an older draft of ROTJ, was seduced by what he saw one the other side of the door. Still, I understand many have different perspectives on the turn.

Regardless, I love your original trilogy edits and can’t wait for the Revisited trilogy to be done. Thank you for sharing your Prequels outline, too.

Han Solo and Darth Vader are both characters who became pure manifestations of the worst parts of their personalities.
By the end of the trilogy, the layers are unpeeled and the characters redeem themselves.
Though the trajectory of their arcs are not exactly the same, and don’t line up exactly from movie to movie, but broad strokes are similar.

Darth Vader, for the majority of his screentime in the three films, is a cold, rageful (tho contained), merciless, calculating, egotistical, selfish, even downright sadistic monster. He traps Lando in a deal with the devil with no intent on holding his end, lording his control over him. He tortures Motti for insulting him, Leia and Han for the sake of information and bait, threatens to torture/kill DSII workers to make them work harder. He uses Han as a test subject, not caring if he lives or dies. He torments Luke to get him to join him, threatens to do the same to his sister and to kill him. He kills Antilles, Obi-Wan, rebel pilots, and his own officers that fail him. He revels in his power: “If you only knew the power of the dark side!”. He makes sardonic jokes about his cruel acts.

Han Solo, when we meet him in ANH, is an overconfident, witty, suave, selfish, greedy, double-crossing pirate swindler. He lies and cheats for the sake of money, exaggerates the capabilities of himself and his ship. He makes up incoherent gibberish to Luke and Obi-Wan to sell them on the Millennium Falcon (“the Kessel run in less then 12 parsecs”). He kills Greedo in a sleazy, underhanded way. He smuggles drugs for a gangster and keeps sleazing his way out of paying him back. He gives off the appearance of not caring about anybody, constantly emphasizing that his first priority is himself and money over any selfless ideal. He initially refuses to save the princess and to participate in the Battle of Yavin. He makes fun of Luke and Obi-Wan’s religion, refusing the idea that there’s more to the galaxy then he might know.

Throughout his adventures with Luke and Leia, Han genuinely comes to care for them. He agrees to help save Leia now that he has an excuse for himself (she’s rich) even knowing the plan is crap. He’s extremely concerned about Luke’s well-being in the trash compactor. He chases the stormtroopers, telling Luke and Leia to return to the ship. His face when Leia tells him that money is all he’ll receive is rather vulnerable. It’s clear he already has feelings for her (“So Han, what do you think of her?” “Trying not to, kid”). He tells Luke “May the Force be with you”. Then, of course, he finally comes back to save his friend and revels in victory with his new friends.

In the beginning of ESB, Han is now a big part of the rebellion and willing to sacrifice himself for the sake of Luke, going out to save him in the frigid winter night despite the low chances of survival, and has a very steady, strong friendship with him. Han cares a lot more then he let on, in the beginning. Perhaps that’s why he used to pretend to not care at all.

Han is incredibly pushy, seemingly confident in his scenes with Leia, but the more I think about it, it’s because he feels like he has to be. He has to be overconfident so as to not be consumed by self-doubt. As some have commented on, his behavior can come across as borderline predatory, but I believe this is purposeful character development. He’s a scoundrel, as Leia says herself. He gets mad on Hoth after getting into an argument with her, refusing to talk to her until he hears about Luke. In the end, he’s right about her feelings for him, but what we see is that Han doesn’t take rejection well. Perhaps Han had relationship issues when he was younger, went through a lot of rejection in the past, and had to learn to be scummy and selfish in order to survive in the criminal underworld.

In ESB, we see small peaks behind Vader’s cold mask. Literally, as in, we see a big scar on the back of his head. Still, he is at most commanding and ruthless throughout the film. Vader’s goal is to trap his son into being a servant for his own selfish crusade for power. At the end, when Luke rejects him, he’s more fiery then usual (“Bring my Shuttle!”) and, in his telepathic communication with Luke, sounds more vulnerable then before. Throughout the film, he murders his officers in cold-blood when they fail him, even Needa, who just made an honest mistake and honorably took responsibility. Vader’s response is to jokingly throw it in his face after choking the life out of him. But after the Falcon escapes, he just solemnly walks away, sparing Piett, even after having threatened him, “Don’t fail me again.” There’s more to his conquest for his son then just wanting a Sith apprentice.

In ROTJ, Han is still his classic charming self and now takes an even larger role in the Rebellion. However, we see instances of insecurity in Han with his relationship with Leia. He has an awkward expression when she lays on him during C-3PO’s storytelling scene. He gets jealous that Leia confides in Luke but not him, scared that her having more confidence in him indicates she loves him more. Still, he makes the mature choice, apologizes, and even encourages her to be with Luke. He is rewarded by learning the truth, the situation was a misunderstanding. Han has matures past his insecurities. He doesn’t need to prop himself up with an overly confident persona, anymore.

Similarly, Vader is still the cold-blooded right hand of the Emperor, but as Luke presses on Vader during the conversations, it becomes clear that beneath his hardened personality is deeply repressed regret and guilt. Still, Vader is too egotistical and power-hungry to let go of the dark side, and even coldly states that he will kill Luke if he refuses to turn. It takes Luke making the sacrifice play, and watching his son on the verge of death that Anakin finally reawakens and sacrifices himself to save his son. Immediately, we have tender moments between father and son. In his death scene, Anakin is revealed to be an incredibly soft, caring, and sentimental man, wanting to see his son with his own eyes, even if it means he’ll die sooner. He was a man that lost everything in his quest for power, one who cared too much and went cold to not feel that pain, to feel invincible and satiate his ego. Who wouldn’t let go of that burning hatred for the sake of that adrenaline rush, to not feel the “weakness” within.

In the end, both men accept the vulnerable parts of themselves and find a new family, happy and healed.