G&G-Fan

Replace Vader “I am your father” reveal with Vader saying, “Luke, we need to cook”.

Me too.

Any ideas for how you’re gonna execute Anakin’s character and his turn?

For my edits I’m putting a lot of effort into making Anakin colder during his dark side moments and generally more reserved to match Vader’s personality from the OT.

I’m interested in seeing your unique take.

honestabe said:

Is there a reason why more edits do not place Luke on Dagobah at the beginning of the movie? The opening crawl would need to be changed to indicate Luke was training along with cutting out his line about coming back to complete the training.

It seems illogical that Luke’s skills as a Jedi would improve without any additional training. I also found it hard to believe that Yoda would completely flip flop on his insistence of Luke to complete his training to all of sudden going with, “never mind everything I previously told you.”

I also find it stupefying that Luke would decide to take off while the rebel alliance is on the verge of their final battle.

I was originally gonna do it, but I’ve changed my mind.

It messes with the pacing. Having two very talky scenes right after the Vader scene doesn’t work. Luke’s mysterious introduction is far better.

Luke is likely self-taught at this point. It’s not ridiculous at this point after his lightsaber skills established in ESB for him to get better with it, and raw force power is not reliant on training.

Isolated from the prequels there’s nothing that establishes that Jedi training takes any longer then it does for Luke in the OT. And even taking the prequels into consideration, Lucas seems to mostly attribute starting from a young age to learning the Buddhist practice of non-attachment early then anything else.

Yoda “flip-flopped” because Luke had overcome the personal flaws that prevented him from being ready in ESB. Luke’s flaws mostly came from within. He couldn’t lift the X-wing not because he wasn’t powerful enough, but because of his lack of belief in himself.

RogueLeader said:

Yes, I would love that Nev!

And G&G-Fan, the cool thing about this Boba idea is that there are a lot of little ideas I wanted to sprinkle throughout Act 1, but it is very modular, so other editors can pick and choose which things they’d want to take or leave for their own edits. They all would work on their own, but also will work great together. I’ll definitely share all of the assets once I get to that point.

What else would you do with your edit?

NeverarGreat said:

RJ, I’m still happy to try a ROTJ style Vader meditation chamber matte!

Ooooooooo I want one too!

I’d happily add the “Vader wants Boba Fett to capture Luke” subplot to my edit.

I would rather cut the Jocasta-Nu scene then the Dex one. The former is just flat and dull, the latter is dumb in a charming way. But that’s what my in-progress edit’s for I guess.

It’s funny because out of the three scenes, Dex, Jocasta-Nu, and Yoda, most people cut either Dex or Yoda when I prefer those scenes to Jocasta. At least those scenes have some personality in the dialogue.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

I’m attempting something like this, only Anakin would be knighted at the end of the film.

This is a very different concept tho, the idea here is that he’d end up being a knight for most of the movie.

This is to sort of minimize the issue of Anakin being too young through most of the trilogy.

Anakin is knighted in the middle of AOTC when the Jedi give him the assignment to look over Padme.

This gives Anakin a more mature, independent role through more of the trilogy, so you don’t have to wait until episode 3 for him to not be such an underling anymore. It might also make Obi-Wan’s concerns that Anakin isn’t ready more sympathetic. I think a major problem with AOTC is that you don’t really emotionally connect to either Anakin or Obi-Wan, our two protagonists, and by doing this is makes the audience feel like Obi-Wan has more of a point.

The only issue is it’d require removing the padawan braid from a lot of shots which would be extremely tedious and painful.

TBOBF was originally gonna be a subplot in Mando season 3 but then became it’s own show. That’s why everything so disorganized and messy.

What extended Jango shots?

What extended Jango shots?

honestabe said:

This is a very fascinating concept. However, I think having him face Vader may be too on the nose. Could Vader be replaced with a shadowy-hooded figure that the audience could interpret as Sidious? I am not personally sure, but I really like the idea of Anakin confronting some form of a “demon.”

I definitely see where you’re coming from, as for first time audiences it could be interpreted as Anakin facing Sidious (as the prophecy says) and being killed. Either that or its interpreted as Anakin facing his dark side.

My idea was that I’d be a visual metaphor for the conflict between Anakin and Vader. Anakin, the passionate heroic Jedi, and Vader, the cold cruel Sith. A big goal is to make them feel like the same person by making Anakin colder when he’s using the dark side (scenes of him whining and complaining are gone), thus highlighting their duality (he seems so much more alive when he’s on the light side then the dark). And Anakin, through his passion for saving people, will be destroyed by his lust for power, the cold, mechanical Vader.

So in that sense, if you did replace Vader with a more mysterious figure, it would still work if that figure is entirely stoic, still, and cold. Because the point is that it symbolizes the duality between his passion and cold.

The idea behind the lines were that you could construct them by combining words from other lines. “As you wish”, “Captain Solo”, “Skywalker”, “I want him alive”, and “bounty hunter” are things the respective characters have said before.

Off the top of my head I don’t remember when Vader said, “will come for”, though.

Add back the deleted scene where Vader chokes Moff Jerjerrod, but he kills him anyway after Jerjerrod says, “It is the Emperor’s command”, and Vader gives a snarky remark, “My apologies” (from Rogue One).

Sets up Vader’s conflict with the Emperor far better and also gives us some classic Vader force choking just like ESB.

For my AOTC edit I’d really like to include something like this (made by snooker) for Anakin’s nightmare

https://streamable.com/msthr

ifjg said:

How are you planning on doing the added Vader/Sidious scene?

Sorry for late reply.

Cinefy helped me create the scene by creating a deepfake of the Emperor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWj-c8hvFBA

I read it as her recognizing the guy who captured and tortured her and being afraid of Vader.

Z6PO said:

Speaking of similar scenes in the same movie: the sister reveal is explained 3 times! First Luke get the news, then he breaks the news to Leia, and then Leia has to explain it to Han. It makes sense for the characters to get this information, but for the audience it’s the exact same reveal repeated 3 times. And it’s boring.

I thought it worked. There its interesting to see each character’s reaction.

Channel72 said:

Also, Leia seemingly has no reaction to the fact that this implies Vader is also her father. (Luke tells her Vader is his father in the same scene.) Maybe her reaction is delayed or she doesn’t immediately make the connection. She’s upset a few minutes later after Luke leaves, when Han comes by. But it’s implied she’s upset mostly because Luke had to leave.

You’d think she’d have a much stronger reaction, like “Holy shit, you mean the evil cyborg that tortured me, and tortured Han, and stood by and watched as my whole planet exploded, etc. is my father??”

Nah I always figured part of the reason she didn’t want to talk to Han was partially of that realization. She was still processing all of that information and wanted some alone time.

A version of the opening of ROTJ showing them outlining and spoiling the whole plan sounds super boring. It’s not the kind of plan that’s fascinating to see the planning of, it really only works cinematically because of the buildup.

Also having two similar scenes in one movie (planning of the attack on Endor) is never a good idea.

Very good, I’m a fan of the direction. Still, I can’t take, “Love won’t save you…” seriously. I think the “More powerful than any Jedi…” line and wanting to rule the galaxy gives the idea enough.

Why did you remove the line “I’m more powerful then the Chancellor, I can overthrow him.”? I don’t see anything wrong with it.

I do think it’d be weird to make a prequel trilogy without Obi-Wan finding Anakin and bringing him in to become a Jedi as it was explicitly mentioned in ROTJ. Having Anakin be brought into the Jedi on-screen also allows us an organic introduction to them and the Republic (since we’d be from the perspective of someone from the Outer Rim) through our protagonist.

But yeah, the content of ROTS should’ve been 2 movies, not one.

daveybjones999 said:

With regards to Anakin’s transformation into Darth Vader I don’t really have an issue with it. I think most people’s complaints are that what ends up being his main motivation should have been his side motivation, and vice versa.

I feel like my biggest problem is that it should’ve been focused less on attachment, and more on power.

Darth Vader in the OT loved power. He boasted the power of the dark side, wanted to bring order to the galaxy, and even his jokes are him flexing his superiority over others.

The biggest theme throughout the trilogy should’ve been love vs. power. Anakin is a man who can’t stand being vulnerable and craves control. Control over the political process, control over when the Jedi do and don’t act, and control over death. To make himself and the ones he loves immortal so he can be with them forever and never have to fear losing them or losing his own life.

Anakin uses the dark side more and more to learn the secret to cheat death, but the more he does so, the more of his soul he gives up. The less he is Anakin, and the more he is Vader. All of Anakin’s compassion, empathy, and warmth is corrupted as he becomes more and more cold-hearted. He puts on a mask to hide his softness. He gains all the power in the world, but he’s left with so little humanity that nobody could love what he’s become anymore. Padme, Obi-Wan, and the Jedi love Anakin, not Vader. Anakin hates being vulnerable, but that’s when his loved ones love him the most. And that’s the tragedy. Anakin loves being Darth Vader because it makes him feel powerful, but it makes him alone. And eventually, despite still loving Anakin, the people that love him realize that he’s gone.

I don’t see what Padme surviving or dying has to do with reordering scenes in the second act. Especially if one of the overall goals is to make the nightmare the sum of a greater whole rather then the main thing. Putting the nightmare first sets the tone for the rest of the movie.

I find it unfortunate that the “cheat death” line has to go because it’s the only one that refers to it that way rather then “save Padme”, which sounds way too altruistic to be a dark side power. Cheat death sounds more sinister and more likely for Anakin to believe to come from the dark side of the force. “Cheat death” has an entirely different vibe from “save someone from dying”. One sounds appropriately like a pact with the devil, the other like going to to the hospital.

I also think Anakin also receiving a vision of himself burning on Mustafar and making the pact so he can be immortal too is also a cool idea, but I doubt you’d include it.

hinventon said:

Your Empire edit sounds great, can I get a link?

Sent.

Also, my ANH edit is no longer on hiatus. After Adywan’s last update made it clear ANH:R won’t be released for awhile, I’m gonna make my own with his regraded version of the 2011 Blu-Ray until his releases. Therefore I will be working on it as I will all my other edits.

Servii said:

Sure they can, but within limits. And I think Star Wars should try to steer clear of glorifying him. I didn’t mind the Rogue One hallway scene, but I think a lot of fans took away the wrong idea from that scene.

Every villain’s actions are “glorified”. They should feel badass otherwise they’d have no screen presence. People still understand that they’re evil.

No to an entire movie of Vader hunting Jedi (tho I want at least one Vader v. Jedi duel in which he wins, ANH told us he’s a Jedi hunter and we never saw that). Something more like a “haunted house” movie with him as the villain from a Rebel squadron or Jedi’s POV, or exploring his inner psyche like the comics do would be better. But still not necessary.

Eh, Seasons 1 and 2 were pretty good, but I wouldn’t say amazing. I like Din’s relationship with Grogu, but he’s a pretty bland character when it comes down to it, and Moff Gideon started out alright but devolved into a cartoon villain by the end. I never saw TCW, so I never saw the extent of Bo-Katan’s crimes, but I didn’t really care about her or about Mandalore, to be honest.

I don’t think Djarin’s bland. He’s introverted and reserved but that doesn’t make him bland. He has this awkward charm to him that I really like.