I can see why they didn’t do it, a bit too violent for a Jedi
Possessed did a pretty good job editing the movie as it is to make it look like Luke is the one that pushes Boba into the Sarlacc
mad respect for the effort, I look forward to the result
your version of Boba Fett’s voice is probably going to be my definitive one
I thought “I’m not ready for a relationship” is just something people made up to avoid having to simply say no.
It usually is. Don’t hold out hope. Move on.
I was going to tell you that “I’ll get back to you” is a “No” but I didn’t want to be negative on the “Good news” thread.
That can be true sometimes, like the whole “the Jedi order was corrupt” thing (the Jedi are allowed to love, according to Lucas, what’s wrong is attachments, or possessive love), but a lot of prequel defenses can also literally be things from the films and what Lucas has said. Like David-Talks-SW on Quora (who I’ve actually learned a lot from), all of his answers are from Lucas and the films. Like what I said about Anakin’s turn. There are many quotes from George, which you can even hear if you listen to the commentary, that say that Anakin was just really scared to lose Padme, it was because of his fear of loss, he had a tendency to give into his darker emotions in his personal situations, that the whole “the Jedi are evil thing” is really just him rationalizing his actions, that him becoming a Sith is intentionally framed like a pact with the devil, etc. Here’s one for example:
“You can love people, but you can’t want to possess them. They’re not yours. Accept that they have a fate. Even those you love most are going to die. You can’t do anything about that. Protect them with your lightsaber, but if they die they were going to die. There’s nothing you can do. All you can do is accept that fact.
In mythology if you go to Hades to get them back, you’re not doing it for them, you’re doing it for yourself. You’re doing it because you don’t want to give them up. You’re afraid to be without them. The key to the Dark Side is fear. You must be clean of fear, and fear of loss is the greatest fear. If you’re set up for fear of loss, you will do anything to keep that loss from happening, and you’re going to end up in the Dark Side.”
I’ll admit I’ve been wrong sometimes (like when I said Yoda changed between the prequels and the originals; he didn’t, he was just put in a no-win situation by Palpatine: https://www.quora.com/Did-Yoda-realize-what-went-wrong-with-the-Jedi-What-did-he-do-to-make-sure-his-mistakes-were-not-repeated/answer/David-Talks-SW?ch=17&oid=290173934&share=cc3d380b&srid=RmE0J&target_type=answer) but I’ve learned a lot more about the prequels and I still stand by everything I said here (and on other things like my “OT Vader is emotional” and midichlorians thread).
No they weren’t. Also, “tricks”? That’s a weird label to put on someone else’s opinion and perspective. I’m sharing my much more positive perspective on the prequels because I think they’re great. It isn’t deception.
And TCW Anakin is exactly like ROTS Anakin before his nightmare, down to his confidence in battle and flying, his tendency to give into his darker emotions, and rapport with Obi-Wan.
TCW wasn’t Dave Filoni’s pet project, it’s George Lucas vision. It’s as much of a child of Lucas as it is Filoni, if not more so.
He killed children once he became Vader, once he turned to the dark side. If we’re counting Vader’s actions, then Vader in the original trilogy was complacent in the destruction of an entire planet, killed his best friend and mentor, and tortured Han and Leia. And Luke is AWARE of those things. Luke isn’t ignorant to the fact that his father did horrible things and became a monster, he wants his father to return to who he once was, the guy we see at the beginning of ROTS.
And yes, Anakin was a good person deep down: https://qr.ae/pGDxjU
And if you’re talking about the Tuskin Raiders, those monsters abducted and tortured a random women and killed 26 of the 30 people who went out to save her, and those Tuskin children were going to grow up to become just like the murderous adults. He basically just killed baby Hitler. And even then Anakin KNEW what he did was wrong. We also see them shooting innocent podracers and trying to kill Luke when he did nothing wrong. I’m surprised so many OT fans stick up for the Tuskin Raiders when your first impression of them was trying to kill the beloved protagonist of the OT.
Nah. If it’s a twist, it’s a very hacky twist. The movie still rushes Anakin’s fall and the series suffers for it. Besides, ESB is in the middle again (five out of nine movies - close enough).
It’s almost as if a twist is a sudden change of events or something.
It “rushes” it because that’s what happened: Anakin gave into his fatal flaw and made a terrible mistake because he was scared, desperate, and sleep-deprived. His fear of loss was built up over the past two movies, and we also saw him kill Dooku in the beginning, showing that he’s willing to give into his anger. We see throughout the films that Anakin has a character flaw of giving into his fear and anger and obsessing over things rather than being willing to let things go. Instead of letting go of his anger and not killing the Tuskins and Dooku for what they did to his mother and him, he gave into his anger. Instead of having faith and trusting in Padme that she’ll get through childbirth, instead of being willing to let her go instead of destroying everything she believed in, he gave into his fear and craved power. It’s a tendency and flaw in his character that finally broke him.
Also, was talking about Lucas’ saga.
That’s not tension, that’s just lessening the experience of the OT. Again, preserving twists makes the reveal all the more of an emotional shock in the final two movies of the trilogy (or saga, depending on your perception). Knowing it all along just doesn’t feel right.
Yes it is tension. You’re just clinging onto the way you saw the film as a child and refusing to see it from any other perspective.
Anakin becoming Vader is the new twist of the saga though. Because when you watch it in order, it happens in the middle and is literally the turning point of the saga. ESB is no longer in the middle like it was during the original trilogy. At the beginning of ROTS it seems Anakin has overcome his flaws (because he’s happy, mature, and has a good rapport with Obi-Wan during the rescue of the Chancellor)… only for him to succumb to his Achilles’ heal (not being able to let things go).
Trying to hide that Anakin is Vader is stupid and would damage the prequels. Like, you’re literally losing the best scenes of the prequels. The Knighting of Vader, the immolation scene, and Vader getting his suit give me goosebumps. If anything I’d be more in favor of hiding that Luke is Anakin’s son and framing it like he’s the Lars son or the son of some other Jedi Master, maybe even Obi-Wan, but even that is dumb.
I’d argue that knowing that Luke and Leia are Vader’s children but none of them know adds TENSION, you’re wondering when they’ll learn the truth and what the consequences of that will be. How will Luke react when he finds out Vader is his father, and that the man he thought he could trust most lied to him? Because unlike what JJ Abrams thinks, surprises are not the most important thing in storytelling (or the only important thing, for that matter).
Also regarding Yoda I’d argue that it’d initially make people wonder “Why’s Yoda acting like this… this is weird”.
Yep. That’s the only reason I’m very strongly against SE Emperor - I don’t mind the makeup or the altered dialogue that much in general - but “offspring of Anakin Skywalker” kills it for me. It makes infinitely more sense for us to learn that name in an intimate moment with Luke and Ben, after Yoda passes and confirms Luke’s greatest fear. It’s a very deep and delicate scene, perfect for us to learn his name. And, of course, if you miss it, Luke says it to Vader in his face later on, also a good moment.
I suppose in the context of the PT, which is what the 2004 SEs were for, it makes more sense for the Emperor to say that than just “Luke Skywalker”, but looking at the OT as a trilogy, that’s a no no.
Almost like George Lucas designed the saga so the prequels are meant to be watched first or something…
Empire Strikes Back is completely normal except this is edited in
I don’t get it
epic reveal: Vader was on weed the whole time
removed
here: https://mega.nz/file/CUhVESiI#lPKuRL1e-OWHJu9c0Zh6BzNDiDYzvp0LkOYimB61RCY
I feel like this would kinda diminish the surprise of seeing it in Empire.
It’d be nice if I could stream it on like google drive or something. I downloaded it but my computer wasn’t able to play it (it’s able to play 1080p but not 4K).
I’m done, Rendering it now.
If you want it just PM me.
FYI it’s ProRes, so its rather large.
Wow, already?! That’s awesome! Does it have the reanimated blaster bolts and new visual effects or just the color correction?
I did just realize tho, that would mess with the “Set the course to Alderaan” scene, unless the intention was to replace that one with the one you suggested
Removing the “let it burn” line also retains Tarkin’s cruelness by having it so he doesn’t destroy Alderaan because Sidious told him too but because he’s just that petty and cruel
Thanks! And come to think of it, it’d be best to cut out “let it burn,” partly because menacing lines about letting stuff burn are a more modern trope that might feel out of place in the original film, but mostly so it’s not a completely foregone conclusion that Alderaan is toast regardless of whether Leia cooperates.
Yeah that’s a good idea. I also think it’d be cool to add a shot of Vader watching as to not show Prydes face and also to just acknowledge that he’s there.
Random, admittedly half-baked idea: turn the TROS scene of Palpatine talking to Pryde into an ANH scene of Palpatine talking to Tarkin. Don’t know how feasible that would be, but it might be a good way of incorporating the Emperor into an alternate version of the only Lucas movie in which he doesn’t appear:
“The princess of Alderaan has disrupted my plan. But her foolish act will be in vain…send the Death Star to a world they know. Let it burn.”
That actually sounds pretty cool!
NEW UPDATE:
Ive been thinking about it, and I think I should restart this edit. work will restart on monday.
sorry about the heart attack 😬,
Yayyyyyyyyy! Wdym by restart? Like restart from scratch or continue where you left off?
May I ask how do you the effect where you add a force field to the openings in the Death Star? Since you’re not doing the scene where Vader arrives I’d like to maybe attempt to do it myself.
SAD UPDATE:
this is something I don’t want to do and I’m still regretting it, but I’ve decided to cancel this project…
The reason is crystal clear: considering Ady’s and Hal’s efforts this project is basically obsolete. I will be releasing what I’ve completed so far which is quite a lot, The editing/fixes/audio are done, all that’s left is just R2’s light’s, lasers blasts, lightsabers as well as others, so unless you’re a sucker for continuity then this cut will suffice. this plan will also let me finish my other project: GOUT RESTORED which I think doesn’t have any competition and needs finishing. I may do a V2 of this project, later on, this time sourcing from the 19SE source, but that is still up for debate. so that is it folks if you want the cut then just pm me.
Big sad was looking forward to this
I’m kinda a sucker for continuity as well as new visual effects
when will the full version be done?
For the scene when Luke surrenders himself to Vader, is it still being considered changing Vader’s line from “Obi-Wan once thought as you do” to “Your mother once thought as you do”?
I’ve expressed a want for this change I think it would be beautiful. I kinda forgot what people said tho
There’s also this
