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I actually love the idea. I have thought it would be cool if the throne room battle took place in the Emperor’s throne room on Coruscant, the only problem being that then there wouldn’t be a reactor for Vader to throw the Emperor in.

I don’t think the Imperial fleet was weak at all, the fleet was huge. They were ordered not to attack because of the Emperor’s arrogance and overconfidence. And I don’t care about TROS (it’s not a part of my canon) and I don’t really see how it would conflict with the prequels.

It’s also important to see how Palpatine became Chancellor. The second plotline of the prequels is Palpatine’s rise to power, you need to see how he became Chancellor because that’s such an important step.

The Republic’s corruption also needs to be introduced, as well as Anakin’s slave past, his mother, and the Jedi Council and how controversial it was that he become a Jedi.

Because you’re being unnecessarily nitpicky to the point of annoyance.

It shouldn’t be too hard to remove the music with 6 channel audio

paja said:

Quick and dirty mockup incorporating the deleted scene of Luke in the cave with R2 into the Dagobah scene.

(Placing this earlier before Jabba’s palace and removing Luke’s lightsaber to keep the reveal later on)

This is amazing! You should post it in the ROTJ community focus month thread. Are you gonna make a video of it?

RogueLeader said:

When I did a rough edit of ROTJ years ago that did this restructure, I had Luke say to Yoda, “Why didn’t you tell me?” The idea being that Yoda confirmed the fact offscreen sometime between the films, but now before Yoda dies, Luke is wanting to understand why he chose not to tell him.

I could see an edit skipping that by having Yoda say something like, “Unfortunate it is, that Vader told you.” It kinda of implies they’ve already talked about it, and Yoda is just lamenting how this complicates their final confrontation.

I also can see how one might wonder why Obi-Wan hasn’t appeared to Luke yet if he’s been on Dagobah all that time, but we know Obi-Wan can commune with Luke on different planets and in space, so I think that question is there either way you cut it.

That last thing is true, hadn’t thought about it that way really.

Those sound like good ideas. Because I do quite like the restructuring idea, it makes the opening act less separate from the rest of the film and gives Luke more training to be as experienced as he is.

SWOTFAN25 said:

Ah yes! The “Palpatine’s Teachings” addition to ANH:R is absolutely fantastic. However, having the Imperial March in ANH is definitely a no for me. I’d love to see IlFanEditore’s addition though.

Since this is a ROTJ discussion, I know that the music at the end of the film is definitely up for debate. Of course we have the original and special addition tracks. But could there be a third track that we could use that may be superior to both? I came across this video awhile back which might spark an idea or two.

https://youtu.be/uaEwlu72BVo

I’d love to have the Imperial march in ANH but ok.

I honestly much prefer the original score to Anakin’s funeral to the alternate. It sounds more whimsical and has a hint of sadness in it which makes it incredibly fitting for a funeral. It’s a tearjerker. The alternate one sounds more bombastic, like a celebration.

SWOTFAN25 said:

What do you guys think about changing musical cues in SW fanedits as a whole? And try out this change and let me know what you think.

I’m actually a fan of mixing the soundtracks between the trilogies as I feel it makes the entire saga feel more congruent. But only when it fits and works, and doesn’t mess with a soundtrack that’s like, super iconic.

Like, rescoring basically anything in Cloud City or Mustafar, for example, would be a big no. But one example I really liked was when IlFanEditore for his ANH edit added the track that plays when Yoda senses Anakin’s pain in AOTC after his mother dies to the part in ANH where the Millennium Falcon lands on the Death Star and Vader investigates it (mostly because of it’s subtle imperial march tone and the mysterious vibe to it) and I think it really worked. I also love how Ady added Palpatine’s teachings to the Imperial meeting in ANH:R SD.

I was never suggesting to cut Dagobah. Way too important and some of the best scenes of the film. Only that the only way it would make sense if Luke was training there between ESB and ROTJ is to remove the times when Luke questions Yoda and Obi-Wan about Vader being his father. Because if he was training with them all that time, they would’ve had that conversation awhile ago.

Basically, doing what the Spence edit did. The Yoda death scene is still there but Luke doesn’t ask him if Vader is truly his father. It also doesn’t have the Obi-Wan scene.

But that’s not the direction I’d prefer to go for an edit of my own. Because you lose great character moments there.

EddieDean said:

Some valid points here, but to address just one:

The emperor’s guards do serve a purpose. They exist to be dismissed by the Emperor, to show the audience just how little he views Luke as a threat, and his absolute confidence.

I wasn’t denying they do. I was simply saying it would give them more to do.

I love some of the ideas here, like having the whole Vader/Boba deal. That would add so much to the opening act and it gives Vader and Boba more to do.

Also, yes please to new Hayden force ghost.

I was always a fan of the idea that Luke was training on Dagobah between ESB and ROTJ. You don’t even have to move the Dagobah scenes to the beginning, you could just keep them in their natural place, have it say Luke’s training there in the crawl. This way Luke’s entrance will still be the dramatic mysterious one. Rearrange the Tatooine storyline so Leia’s plan comes first, then the droids are sent after they’re captured as a part of Luke’s plan (he left Dagobah to save his friends). Then he goes back.

The only thing is, though, with the whole “he was training on Dagobah the whole time” idea, it doesn’t make any sense for Luke to wait a year to get clarification from Yoda and Obi-Wan about Vader being his father, or for them to wait that long to tell him. You could technically cut those parts, but that’d only work for a chronological saga edit (which is my preferred way of viewing the saga, but that isn’t universal) and you’d lose crucial character moments. I’d hate to lose, “There is still good in him” and “He’s more machine now then man, twisted and evil.” I at one point considered having a timeskip in which there would be an opening that took place right after ESB, Luke lands on Dagobah and confronts Yoda and Obi-Wan about the truth. Then it timeskips to a year later with the Vader death star arrival. But I realized timeskips don’t work for the style of Star Wars, as talked about in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD2G0D-nyLA) and would make it not feel like a Star Wars movie anymore. So really, to me, the only way it makes sense is to just keep it the way it is (except for rearranging the Tatooine scenes so Leia’s plan is first, then Luke’s, which clears up basically all the odd decision making) and have it so Luke is a more self-taught Jedi, lose Yoda confirming Vader is Luke’s father and the Obi-Wan conversation (unfortunate but doable) or just accept the idea that the Jedi masters refused to tell Luke more about his past and his family for a year (which just doesn’t feel right).

This is something that would take new footage with fan-made costumes to pull off but I would love it if when Vader tries to see the Emperor against his command Vader has a short fight with some royal guards guarding the throne room. Vader approaches, they try to use their electro staffs but Vader force chokes and shoves them away. That gives the guards and Vader a bit more to do.

I really don’t like the idea of removing the first Vader Death Star scene and having it start with the Emperor’s arrival. The Vader arrival is such a great scene (that low angle shot of him walking out of the shuttle is awesome and I’d hate to lose it, and I love his no-bullshit attitude), it means no buildup for the Emperor and it also means no scenes with the main villains in the first 40 minutes except for the opening, which is just way too long. If you don’t have both the Vader arrival and Emperor arrival the audience is going to start wondering where they are. Also cutting a Vader scene is like heresy to me, if anything I want more of him lol

The idea with having Vader’s body fade away kinda ruins any sort of mystery for the audience as to whether he’s worthy of becoming a force ghost and makes his appearance at the party less surprising. I like how during his funeral, the audience is kinda made ready to accept that he’s dead (which makes it powerful), only for the arrival of his force ghost showing that no, he isn’t gone forever, and was truly redeemed.

I don’t quite agree with the common criticism that Han’s character is weaker here. To me it reads that Han’s always had some anxiety and that his sass has often been a mask for that, and especially regarding Leia, he’s found someone he really loves so he’s genuinely concerned to lose her.

Thank you! I know some people think that it’s stupid that Han could possibly think Leia loves Luke more then him, but insecurity, jealousy, and fear will do that to you. Fear is a powerful drug. It’s how Anakin became Vader.

Then why should it matter? Revisited literally looks better then the 4K release of ESB (which looks so desaturated it looks like it was graded by Zack Snyder). The upscale also looks perfect at 1080p. So there’s no issue.

Because he’s not doing them in 4K

Or you can just edit the ending of the 2011 or 2020 Blu-Ray into Revisited

EddieDean said:

That’s really interesting. I imagine AOTC to feel really short, because I feel like it has very little “meat”.

That’s probably why it feels slow to me. Stuff with lots of meat feel fast to me because I’m more engaged, and the more engaged I am the faster time goes.

I find ROTS far more interesting then AOTC (both conceptually and in execution). The action-packed opening, Anakin turning into Vader, Order 66, the final duels, I love it all.

The Clone Wars really should’ve started earlier then the end of AOTC, like halfway through, so we could get more of Anakin being a hero. You can have a situation where Anakin has to protect Padme in the midst of a battle so it’d have been more engaging rather then having the romance be so separated from the other stuff going on. But I’m going on a tangent.

EddieDean said:

Exactly this. How it feels when you watch it, the peaks and troughs of emotion, and natural flow, are what make the movie work.

Yeah. I mean, watching Revenge of the Sith certainly feels a lot faster then watching Attack of the Clones and the time difference is literally two minutes.

Lucas always meant for the movies to parallel one another, so I think following a very similar structure to ROTJ’s final act would work to trim it down but still make it feel like a Lucas Star Wars film and not a fan-edit.

NeverarGreat said:

Alec Guinness did say at the time that the Battle of Yavin ran about five minutes too long.

I kinda wish that instead of having that one they had Luke do two trench runs like originally planned. It’s always more engaging when the main character is involved.

I was slightly disappointed by the loss of the extended battle, but honestly, a battle with redone lasers, the orange Yavin planet in the background (which makes it look much more visually interesting IMO), Luke actually having an appropriate reaction to the death of his friend and Vader’s helmet fixed is pretty great and satisfactory to me.

You followed my suggestion of fixing Vader’s helmet in the cockpit! I contributed to Revisited! I feel so honored!

And also like, how could it be fake? That would require someone constructing their own professional looking Vader suit, getting a whole rig set up to lift Obi-Wan (requiring a good stuntmen), going out in the desert and shooting it

Yeah, no. It’s real, and I think it looks awesome

It’s really simple: still 19 years just like in the prequels.

Vader is said to be instrumental in founding the Empire and killing the Jedi. Luke is 19. Whether Anakin and Vader are the same person or not, Anakin would need to be alive and on the light side 19 years ago so he can provide his part in Luke’s birth; BEFORE he’s “killed”/turns to the dark side. It’s kinda just simple math.

Unless Vader conceived of Luke while he was a Sith lord, but there’s OT dialogue that contradicts that (“…if Anakin had any offspring…”). Plus the sequence of events wouldn’t make any sense; I don’t see Luke ending up under the supervision of Obi-Wan if he was conceived while Vader is evil, he’d absolutely end up with the Empire.

I’m mainly going to go with things that can’t be easily fan-edited, rather things that’d require rewriting and filming

TPM: Make Anakin’s slave life appear more abusive and miserable, and show he has more trauma from it
AOTC: Include an opening scene with Anakin and Obi-Wan on a mission showing their normal friendlier relationship before it becomes more tenuous (because Anakin’s nervous due to meeting Padme for the first time in 10 years)
ROTS: Include parts from the novelization that emphasize Anakin’s stress and sleep deprivation (due to his nightmares) and Palpatine’s political manipulation of him
ANH: Vader’s in charge from the start and his portrayal is exactly like ESB; every Imperial officer but Tarkin is terrified of him
ESB: No Luke and Leia kiss
ROTJ: Add a scene before Vader defies the Emperor’s orders and goes to his throne room where Vader has a brief fight with the red royal guards; he easily force chokes them and tosses them aside

SparkySywer said:

Moving his turn earlier doesn’t necessarily mean the ending is nothing but killing Jedi. A more convincing arc could’ve been:

1. Set Anakin up as a hero

2. Anakin succumbs to the dark side

3. Anakin’s friends fail to pull him back to the light

I mean, there’s more to it then that. There’s also character development for Vader delving into his psyche and showing his adjustment to becoming a cyborg monster. Basically, the stuff in the 2017 Vader comics (which IMO are a masterpiece). Just thinking about a movie adapting Vader bleeding his kyber crystal and the Fortress Vader arc gets me giddy.

I don’t see how this is better then having Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones (tho improved, obvs), then a Clone Wars movie to really show Anakin’s heroics, then Revenge of the Sith and then a Vader movie. I think that Anakin having a traumatic past and a hard time letting go of people he cares about (due to his mother’s death) is fantastic and adds dimension to his character.

Buzz Lightyear said:

People are too obsessed with the idea of trilogies. Honestly they should have never bothered numbering the Star Wars movies at all, and should have just filled things in with whatever movies they wanted to make. So like, for instance, they could have just made a bunch of movies about young Anakin at different stages of his life, or about other characters in that time period (which could feature Anakin as a supporting character or guest character), and we wouldn’t know the exact one where Anakin would turn to the dark side, but we would see the gradual transition. And then a later movie could just be about him hunting down Jedi. Others could be about other characters, like Obi Wan.

I mean that’s eventually what the Star Wars meta narrative evolved into, when you factor in Clone Wars and all the standalone movies and Disney Plus shows. There’s no reason they couldn’t have just written things that way in the first place, instead of forcing the prequels and sequels to mirror the OT.

Honestly, this.

While I think it would’ve been great to have a movie of just Darth Vader killing Jedi, all three of the prequels have important concepts to show. The Phantom Menace is more necessary then people think. It shows Anakin’s past trauma as a slave and introduces his relationship with his mother which is a huge part of his turn to the dark side, as well as introducing his strained relationship with the Jedi council. These shouldn’t be in flashbacks because as explained here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD2G0D-nyLA), flashbacks aren’t a part of the Star Wars format. It also shows how Palpatine became chancellor (that shouldn’t happen off-screen, Palpatine’s rise to power is literally the other half of the point of the prequels, that’d be like if Anakin turning to Vader was off-screen) and the corruption in the Senate. Just jumping into Attack of the Clones doesn’t work, unless you combine their plots together somehow.

I would do a saga like this:
The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
A Clone Wars movie (using elements from EU novels and both Clone Wars series)
Revenge of the Sith
A movie with Darth Vader hunting surviving Jedi and the foundations of the empire
A movie adapting the Fortress Vader comic arc
A New Hope
Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi

Has anybody thought of using Liam Neeson voice AI to have Qui-Gon explain what the force is to Anakin like Obi-Wan did to Luke in ANH for chronological viewing sake?